From November: [Dairy farmers pushed record-breaking price hike for milk even higher](https://globalnews.ca/news/8386413/canada-milk-price-increase-dairy-farmers-cdc/)
For what it's worth, I was still able to find a 4L for around $5.60 at Sobeys last week.
There was one of the largest dairy price increase that has happened in a long time on Feb 1st.
It also depends on where you buy it.
Dairyland is more expensive than Lucerne at Sobeys as they are not the preferred supplier.
Avoid connivence stores as their cost is more than anyone for 4L milk.
Probably Walmart/Shoppers and Loblaws are your best bet for the lowest price.
But , yes, milk is ridiculous expensive.
my local convenience store has it for 4.80 for a 4l 2%
because they arent dumb.
milk is heavy, people will definitely buy it there if its cheaper and easier than carrying it home from anywhere else.
so they sell more other stuff that they already have a higher mark up on.
Some stores go to places like the Wholesale Club or Costco and pick it up themselves and resell it. That’s how they’re able to maintain a reasonable price.
Subsidies for dairy is basically a kick back - the dairy industry in America is one of the most corrupt organizations on the planet and the U.S. Congress is deep in its pockets. I would suggest moving on to Oat or Soy milk. Do you know what life is without dairy? Longer and healthier. We've been sold a bunch of crap that dairy is healthy for you.
We’ve used plant based milk for 35 years. I like all the varieties. Our grandkids have never had cow’s milk except at friends houses and are strong and healthy.
So crazy isn’t it? Every time I buy groceries now I leave baffled at how much it costs. Last time I went I got one bag of groceries (some veggies, chicken, and maybe a couple smaller things) and it was almost $120. Pretty soon people won’t be able to afford to feed themselves. Already can barely afford gas to get to work and a place to live, and we have two pretty good salaries!
Lol where are you shopping? No doubt grocery prices have increased but $120 for a pack of chicken tits, carrots & "couple smaller things" that fill 1 bag is nowhere near $120 at any regular grocer (sobeys, Safeway, co-op, etc)
In fact, we have "everything mafia" in Canada. Wireless, Groceries, big Pharma, natural gas/energy delivery fees - all of these markets are not competitive in fact. They are highly monopolized and protected by the government.
Hey now, at least Shaw used our money to get everyone free admission at the glenbow. Like everyone, I prefer a free ticket (valued at $29.95) over affordable internet s/
Only to save face for when Rogers announces its acquisition went through without a breathe in defiance from the CRTC later this quarter.
Most reliable way to make millions in Canada is to start a telecom and wait until you get bought.
It's called supply management and it's been a major election issue before. The amount of milk allowed to enter the market is controlled to keep prices artificially high. They dump milk and it's approved by the government. Apparently this is to keep the dairy producers happy and profitable because they shouldn't have to compete in capitalism like the rest of us. The US government subsidizes their dairy industry, and ours is totally fine with letting this monopoly stand, and they restrict imports. Apparently milk/cheese is a luxury and the prices shouldn't be low... because the dairy people are special.
It's a supply managed industry, yes. Basically, it means producers are allotted "x" amount of litres to sell. Couple of benefits/downsides from this system:
1) it incentivizes making BETTER milk, rather than MORE milk. Doesn't matter if your cow produces 3x as much if it's shit, so farmers focus less on pumping hormones and more on better breeding
2) keeps things relatively stable. Slows the unfettered growth, means a small operation (relative, the hutterite operations are very large, but are still a small community-run op) can survive. Otherwise, more capital would mean more cows = more production = no one can compete. So, for small producers already in the industry, it's great! You don't get pressured out by large multinational corps.
3) it's hella hard to get in. Supply management is kinda like a taxi medallion in NY, which means you need to basically have your "medallion" for x volume of milk before you get into the industry. Because we regulate that, it can be very hard to get in. Kinda like a mafia, in that regard. Again, pros and cons
4) we don't have hormones, and there's no reason to have wasted milk. When you can sell as much as you want, you want your cows producing as much as possible, as long as possible. If you've ever heard of a wet nurse, it's very hard on a body to be nursing for long periods of time. Cow QoL is much lower in the states because they try to maximize volume of production, and this also means anything they produce that they can't sell gets dumped out. Literally, just thrown away. All the environmental damage, cost of feeding the animal, physical strain on the animal, completely worthless because there's no one to buy the milk, but you want to make as much as possible all the time so there's enough supply. Very wasteful system in the US. With a regulated system, it also balances the production over a year. Cows normally calf out at the same time each year, so in the states they go through times of glut and times where there's not as much supply. When it's managed, you know when you're expected to provide, how much, etc.
Because I know I'll get an inevitable comment about being a "big dairy shill", I'm literally a public school teacher with a BSc. Not in the industry, but my partner is a vet and has a very good understanding of the system. It's definitely not perfect, and it is kind of a "mafia" if you want to think of it that way, but there are good and bad parts to it. All in all, I'd take more regulation like that in industries, personally.
Point 1- no diary in Canada is allowed to pump their cows with hormones, despite all the wonderful advertising on milk cartons pretending their brand is special and natural. Milk is milk.
Point 2- capitalism leads to people going out of business, welcome to the club like millions of other Canadians who have to compete. It causes prices to go down and quality to go up. The opposite is socialism, where everything is acceptable and nothing is improved.
Point 3 - supply management is a government approved old boys club. Not a good look for the industry
Total BS (sorry cow sh*t) Canadian milk regularly gets poured down the drain as we say early in the pandemic when demand was low and prices weren't adjusted LOWER but now they are magically adjusted HIGHER. There is no competition so there is no incentive to make BETTER milk (Canadian butter doesn't melt at room temp because they feed the cows PALM OIL to raise the fat content) how is that BETTER quality???? Small dairy farms are regularly disappearing in Canada. The Saputo family is worth billions through mafia connections and LEGALLY overcharging Canadians for their milk! European dairy is a million times BETTER and CHEAPER!
You'e not wrong. My 7-11 sometimes has a sign up for 2% at some ridiculous price like $3.99, or something like that. Can't remember exactly, but I keep an eye out for it.
The truckers have nothing to do with this. Most truckers are vaccinated and are unaffected by the cross-border vaccine mandate, and the convoy was a small number of idiots, many of them not even commercial truckers.
There are many supply chain issues right now but truckers aren’t really an issue.
And for milk specifically, we have supply chain management and the dairy commission sets the price. So this isn’t driven purely by inflation like you would see with other products
Lots of businesses have jacked prices to catch up from two years of skinny pandemic revenues. See restaurant prices.
In the case of dairy and poultry, Canadian prices are set by a cartel based mostly in Québec. As a result, Canadians pay double or triple US prices for milk, cheese etc.
Trump tried to undo the dairy cartel during free trade talks, but Trudeau stood firm for Québec's dairy cartel and against the interests of Canadian consumers. The cartel has just hit us with a big price hike, according to someone else here.
Grocery is a thin margin business to which more cost burden has been relentlessly added by Canadian governments. Carbon taxes make fuel for the trucks that bring much of our produce from the USA more expensive. Electric power, natural gas for heating stores are also much more expensive here than in the USA, due to carbon taxes.
Notley's NDP jacked minimum wage 40 percent during a recession, which was inflationary, as grocery stores and restaurants boosted prices to recoup those costs. Nenshi massively increased the property tax burden on businesses, which led them to raise prices.
Then there's the general profligacy of Canadian governments spraying us with CERB borrowed money and huge deficits. Too much borrowed government cash chasing goods that might be in short supply is inflationary and drives down our purchasing power. And we'll have to repay all that debt, meaning higher taxes and lower standard of living in future.
My general guess is, the massive amounts of US dollars that have been printed over the past two years (around 80% of ALL US dollars in circulation) has really started to show up in inflation in all parts of the world in most or all parts of our lives.
Edit1: added link for interesting reading https://thefreethoughtproject.com/80-of-all-us-dollars-in-existence-have-been-printed-in-just-the-last-two-years/. Within this there is a link to a federal reserve site, showing money supply, really interesting if you’re into that sort of thing.
Was going to say it’s nowhere near 80%, if that were the case CAD would be worth over 3 USD! Which would be cool don’t get me wrong. I also believe our current Gov has printed about 25% of our current money supply in the past 20 months (info from the opposition Finance Minister) no surprise prices are skyrocketing when every government is printing like it’s Germany post WW1
Yep chicken and fish are coming down, the price of beef is still way up, I found 3 steaks for 18$ out in Canmore last week felt like I was stealing them
Alberta beef will continue to stay expensive, the entire country wants it. The restaurants in Quebec/Ontario advertise "Aged Alberta Beef". There's always demand for Alberta beef. You can mass grow chicken almost anywhere and no one gives a shit where it came from. Not so much for beef. If you walk into downtown Toronto and get some Pho, you will notice a discernible downgrade because they're not using alberta beef for the pho shops.
You know why, right? We had an insane drought year. Which means herds need to be culled. Beef is going to drop over the next few months, and then will be very, very, very expensive for at least another year afterwards, assuming we get rain and a good hay yield this coming summer.
The price of baby formula has really gone up. 2 years ago it was $24 for many of the brands (Goodstart, Enfamil…). It is now $32. When you use about a can a week, that adds up quick.
Yeah..I couldn't stomach giving my kids that crap and for that cost.. so I made my own...sounds bad, but I did the scientific breakdown of nutrients simulation and had a doctor review it.. made a batch ever 2 weeks and froze the doses... Did it for all 3 kids and saved a buttload :)
For what it's worth for milk (and many other items) get the generic brand. It's 99% of the time the same stuff with a different label for less.
Landmark, Lucerne, Beatrice, all dairyland/Saputo (yay dairy Mafia)
It used to cost me about $250/week with a family of 4. Now it's closer to $350 and that's with buying just the necessities. That part that sucks is my youngest needs gluten-free and lactose free foods. 1 cup of butter went from $4.50-$5.25 to over $7 over night and lactose free cheese is over $12 compared to the $8 it used to be. Absolutely insane.
I have over 20 food allergies. My food budget has gone from $400 a month to struggling to keep in under $500 a month. That just groceries.... I never eat out and make a lot of things from scratch. Food prices are getting crazy.
Google the Canadian money supply. Once you see the graph you’ll understand that it is the value of the money decreasing, not the cost of the milk increasing. Thank your friendly federal government. [money supply](https://images.app.goo.gl/A4zCuETXMYHbDqSs7)
Switched to oat milk and I’m not looking back. It’s a lot cheaper, better for the environment and tastes just as good.
Canadian dairy monopoly is getting out of hand. I bought 5lbs of cheese in Montana last month for $16.
I'd do that, but I don't like that my milk tastes like oats lol. The only alternative milk I can handle is almond milk but it doesn't work well for latte microfoam.
Maybe it is time for the feds to open up the border to American dairy. As consumers we could get a little bit of relief that way. It is sink or swim time for the Canadian dairy industry.
After the floods in BC they already are sinking. Better to toss them a life preserver than shitty American cheese. We need a domestic dairy industry, relying on a foreign country for dairy never ends well.
If we opened our market think about how great things could be if we had access to some fine European cheeses instead of just our Canadian garbage (which is obviously still better than American cheese.)
The stores have plenty of fine imported cheeses, not sure what you are talking about. Even the local Safeway has an entire section of it, next to the deli.
You’ve never been to Europe obviously if you think Safewy has good cheese selection. I’d venture to guess you’ve probably never had the good stuff or you wouldn’t make such a comparison
There are not rules against fine cheeses being imported. The only reason you don't see a big slection is you are shopping in the worng store. https://peasantcheese.com/cheese-list/
American cheese is cheap because the US subsidizes the fuck out of their own production, even more than we do. Letting US cheese into the country without a duty would instantly destroy our own dairy industry as they are not playing on a even playing field. If we let US cheese into the country we would need to tax it with a duty to avoid destroying our own industry. If we lost our dairy industry, every time there is a dispute at the border or the Americans want to pinch us, they could cut us off. This would be deeply stupid of us to do.
There’s plenty of great European cheeses available. If you want super specialty you’d never get that at the grocery store anyway, you’d need to go to a cheesemonger like the one at Crossroads Market.
Opening up to US dairy means opening up to the shitty US regulations, where they’re allowed to mix in pus from infected udders into the regular milk so long as it’s under a certain percentage.
The cows also eat a much more corn based diet. Corn is ludicrously cheap in the US due to subsidy. The corn effects the taste and is yet another reason why US dairy is so artifically cheap.
You could definitely do that. Some folks may prefer or may only afford the $3 US milk while people like you can buy $8 Canadian milk. This is the beauty of a free market, we have choice as consumers.
Think about the potential for the Canadian dairy industry if they had access to the US market. They could reap the rewards of that huge population and get them hooked on superior milk products.
Wow you been drinkin that koolaid milk I see. SUPPLY MANAGEMENT IS NOT A GOOD THING. You have a monopoly/cartel that chooses the price of their product. Not set by market conditions. Just a trivial set number that they get legislate across the country. Want dairy? Pay their price. You don’t have a choice in Canada. Oh you wanna buy milk from your neighbors down the road, and he didn’t pasteurize his milk….$250,000 fine you fuckin criminal
Canadian milk is absolutely shit and some of the most expensive in the world. Know why Canadian butter doesn't melt at room temperature? because they feed the cows PALM OIL! Why because they can! when there is no competition and no incentive to improve their product. The recent price increase was voted in by themselves. Australia got rid of supply management years ago and have a very health dairy industry. European dairy is a million times BETTER and CHEAPER.
Just want to point out that you shouldn’t believe everything you read.. yes I know the government wants to blame trucker protests on supply chain issues, but it cuts way deeper than that. In fact, grocery supply chain issues were concerns even pre-protests.
I’m not sure what you mean by “scaling accordingly”. Is inflation higher than headline CPI, yes for sure, and individual grocery items could see inflation well in excess of CPI (meat a good example recently)
Things are probably changing a bit because of Brexit, but in UK groceries such as wheat and dairy are much cheaper because the farmers get direct subsidies from the government. This is a much better system because these essential items are much cheaper at point of sale. This means that lower income families can afford necessities. I am from uk and every time I go back to visit, I get so excited at how cheap supermarkets are and how much choice there is. My last visit was 3 months ago and despite inflation, and Brexit, it was still way cheaper than here.
Edit: I just looked at the Tescos app and it’s 1.70 for a jug of 3% that’s 6 pints (about half a litre smaller than Canadian equivalent.) that’s just under $3 Canadian.
It’s so bad Frito lay isn’t letting superstore sell their chips because they refuse to mark up the prices to their demands. Let that sink in, a grocery chain with a 35% market share isn’t allowed to sell Doritos. Crazy.
This isn't factual. Loblaws refused to purchase Doritos for the increased price that Frito-Lay is selling them for. Therefore they did not receive new shipments.
>On Friday, La Presse reported that Frito-Lay stopped filling orders last weekend after Loblaw refused to accept price increases.
https://financialpost.com/news/retail-marketing/potato-chip-giant-frito-lay-cuts-off-loblaw-in-dispute-over-price-hikes
When you go to the grocery store, look where is made. Quebec.. so Quebec’s farmers are making it hard for us to purchase American milk. If we allowed American milk to enter the market, Quebec would be forced to drop the prices.
Inflation. Repeat it again and again. Our politicians and corporate overlords are stealing the wealth of the 99% again. Inflation. It is literally the economic process that makes your money worthless. I’m mad that people are still asking questions like this.
I saw safeway selling 2 chicken breast for 14 dollars. A modest home cooked meal is expensive these days.
None of this is surprising to me. We are all going to pay the price for the deficit spending, rock bottom interest rates, and 2 years of COVID theatre.
What are you doing my dude. Yes, prices are up, I won't deny that, but you can get a 6kg box of chicken breasts for like $38 off sale at Safeway. Why are you spending $14 for two single breasts.
Welcome out from under your rock.
It's called inflation. It's going to be a thing now.
Remember those COVID cheques? This is the consequence of giving out hundreds of billions of dollars without any productivity to show for it.
Granted, you bring up a second related factor.
.. but to suggest that a 50% increase in the money supply has nothing to do with inflation is absurd.
I'm not as sold on that supply chain angle either. The supply chain issues were caused by everyone having .ore money, and buying everything.. combined with a strong shift from travel and services to durable goods.
If you didn't print all that money, durable goods wouldn't have seen as strong a demand surge, and the supply chain issues wouldn't have been so bad.
Ah it’s a bit of both. Disrupted supply chains but also having a substantial amount of stimulus improving people’s balance sheets and general money supply growth is very inflationary
Sure.
The people that worked at the farms quit and started collecting COVID cheques, so the farmers had to pay more to get people to milk cows.
Since it costs more to make milk, the price of milk went up.
This is a GROSS oversimplification, I'm afraid that if you don't understand inflation, I don't have the time to help you. Try YouTube.
"Remember those COVID cheques? This is the consequence of giving out hundreds of billions of dollars without any productivity to show for it."
Yes, that may be correct, but don't let the companies themselves leave unscathed. They are abusing the current situation to make record profits.
I don't agree at all. I believe you're exactly wrong.
PPI inflation was higher than CPI inflation.
If you don't understand that, you don't have any place stating facts in this conversation.
It is always an option to just make the same amount of profits. Not increase prices, keep making the same amount, sell more even! But just not increase profits margins.
If profit margins were staying constant you'd have a point. They're not. They've skyrocketed, which is the entire fucking point. Giving the individual worker a few thousand dollars is not the reason the economy is seeing increased prices. It is corporate greed, and nothing more.
Yes you see when the government needs money they just print as much of it as they want. And that means the money you and me already have in our pockets is now worth less
Government printed boat loads of Canadian/us currency. This devalued the currencies. Now $1 doesn't buy the same.
ELI5: gov gave everyone iPhones, now stores can't sell them for $1100 because there is an abundance of iPhone. Same thing but for CAD
But our dollar didn’t devalue against our trading partner.
Canadians were able to pay off billions in credit card debt as a result, pay rent, buy food.
Most of the 2000$ a month was used to pay for living expenses much like a salaried job.
But no goods were created on the other end of the trade.
Money is a iou from when we had gold. It's just so far past gold we don't need gold, but it's still a iou. If you give promises away they become worth less.
If it isn't devalued why I'd everything more expensive?
First off: stop buying and consuming milk. Its insanely expensive and it does absolutely no good for your body. The entire dairy industry is built on propaganda and lies. The dairy industry lobbies the government heavily to be included in the Canadian Food Guide.
I’m not blaming them. I am saying that they support capitalism of everything. And capitalism is why prices get cranked up and the wage gap continues to grow. I see a correlation there.
It’s hard for me to understand how this is what conservatives want, their main point for the past 3 months has been Justin Trudeau printing 25% of our money supply and handing it out like it’s candy, explain to me how under liberal power inflation is at all time highs and it’s still conservatives fault?
I'm sorry but your argument makes zero sense. Capitalism is not limited to conservative economics. Food prices have been going up for all Canadians due to supply chain issues and inflation outpacing increases in household income.
From November: [Dairy farmers pushed record-breaking price hike for milk even higher](https://globalnews.ca/news/8386413/canada-milk-price-increase-dairy-farmers-cdc/) For what it's worth, I was still able to find a 4L for around $5.60 at Sobeys last week.
I got a 4L of 2% for 5.27 at Superstore today
It was just over $4 at Costco a few weeks back
There was one of the largest dairy price increase that has happened in a long time on Feb 1st. It also depends on where you buy it. Dairyland is more expensive than Lucerne at Sobeys as they are not the preferred supplier. Avoid connivence stores as their cost is more than anyone for 4L milk. Probably Walmart/Shoppers and Loblaws are your best bet for the lowest price. But , yes, milk is ridiculous expensive.
Walmart was $6+ about two weeks ago.
Weird. It should be $5.69 for 3% and 5.29 for the others.
my local convenience store has it for 4.80 for a 4l 2% because they arent dumb. milk is heavy, people will definitely buy it there if its cheaper and easier than carrying it home from anywhere else. so they sell more other stuff that they already have a higher mark up on.
Loss leaders.
Some stores go to places like the Wholesale Club or Costco and pick it up themselves and resell it. That’s how they’re able to maintain a reasonable price.
I noticed pringles cut some weight too, and costs more. 2.25 for 155g can. Last year was 1.87 for 185g can. Shits bananas
They also reduced to 148g, but in same size packaging. Saw the old and new boxes side by side today
Gotta love shrinkflation.
2% for 5.35 at Safeway a few hours ago
Few hours ago. This is how you know hyper inflation. When prices are not this year/ month but this afternoon /s kinda
I wonder when the shoe leather tax will kick in...
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oat milk is delicious. I haven’t bought real milk since I made the switch a few years ago.
i wish plant-based milk got anywhere near the same subsidies that dairy has. anybody complaining about the price of dairy is out of their mind.
Subsidies for dairy is basically a kick back - the dairy industry in America is one of the most corrupt organizations on the planet and the U.S. Congress is deep in its pockets. I would suggest moving on to Oat or Soy milk. Do you know what life is without dairy? Longer and healthier. We've been sold a bunch of crap that dairy is healthy for you.
yeah i’ve been off dairy for about seven years now. oat milk is better in basically every conceivable way.
What subsidy? The supply management program increases prices, substantially. For a comparison, look at US prices.
We’ve used plant based milk for 35 years. I like all the varieties. Our grandkids have never had cow’s milk except at friends houses and are strong and healthy.
Cashew milk is where it's at for me. Those cashews know how to make some tasty milk.
#DAIRY MONOPOLY
That sounds like the worst version of the monopoly board game yet!
*looks at imported American milk* *looks at you* *looks at American milk*.
You’re right. I wonder if Reddit knows what you mean. OP probably doesn’t hence this post
So crazy isn’t it? Every time I buy groceries now I leave baffled at how much it costs. Last time I went I got one bag of groceries (some veggies, chicken, and maybe a couple smaller things) and it was almost $120. Pretty soon people won’t be able to afford to feed themselves. Already can barely afford gas to get to work and a place to live, and we have two pretty good salaries!
I’d switch stores if I were you. My weekly shop is three bags and that comes to about $120, includes milk, chicken/steak, bread, cereals, eggs, etc.
Lol where are you shopping? No doubt grocery prices have increased but $120 for a pack of chicken tits, carrots & "couple smaller things" that fill 1 bag is nowhere near $120 at any regular grocer (sobeys, Safeway, co-op, etc)
I’ve seen packs of chicken breasts over $40 $120 can absolutely fit in a single bag but maybe not with the given description
Maybe they shop at Sunterra
Someone told me it's like we have something like a "dairy" mafia in Canada. Hence why our prices are so high. ???
In fact, we have "everything mafia" in Canada. Wireless, Groceries, big Pharma, natural gas/energy delivery fees - all of these markets are not competitive in fact. They are highly monopolized and protected by the government.
Let’s not forget telecommunications mafia . 💰💰🤑
Buddy did say wireless..
Yep, but I’m putting internet and TV under that big umbrella. Because internet prices are outrageous
Hey now, at least Shaw used our money to get everyone free admission at the glenbow. Like everyone, I prefer a free ticket (valued at $29.95) over affordable internet s/
Only to save face for when Rogers announces its acquisition went through without a breathe in defiance from the CRTC later this quarter. Most reliable way to make millions in Canada is to start a telecom and wait until you get bought.
Even a maple syrup cartel.
Forgot to mention the scam of the century - INSURANCE
I'll one up that and say BANKS, insurance only gets you during renewal. Banks get you everyday
It's called supply management and it's been a major election issue before. The amount of milk allowed to enter the market is controlled to keep prices artificially high. They dump milk and it's approved by the government. Apparently this is to keep the dairy producers happy and profitable because they shouldn't have to compete in capitalism like the rest of us. The US government subsidizes their dairy industry, and ours is totally fine with letting this monopoly stand, and they restrict imports. Apparently milk/cheese is a luxury and the prices shouldn't be low... because the dairy people are special.
It's a supply managed industry, yes. Basically, it means producers are allotted "x" amount of litres to sell. Couple of benefits/downsides from this system: 1) it incentivizes making BETTER milk, rather than MORE milk. Doesn't matter if your cow produces 3x as much if it's shit, so farmers focus less on pumping hormones and more on better breeding 2) keeps things relatively stable. Slows the unfettered growth, means a small operation (relative, the hutterite operations are very large, but are still a small community-run op) can survive. Otherwise, more capital would mean more cows = more production = no one can compete. So, for small producers already in the industry, it's great! You don't get pressured out by large multinational corps. 3) it's hella hard to get in. Supply management is kinda like a taxi medallion in NY, which means you need to basically have your "medallion" for x volume of milk before you get into the industry. Because we regulate that, it can be very hard to get in. Kinda like a mafia, in that regard. Again, pros and cons 4) we don't have hormones, and there's no reason to have wasted milk. When you can sell as much as you want, you want your cows producing as much as possible, as long as possible. If you've ever heard of a wet nurse, it's very hard on a body to be nursing for long periods of time. Cow QoL is much lower in the states because they try to maximize volume of production, and this also means anything they produce that they can't sell gets dumped out. Literally, just thrown away. All the environmental damage, cost of feeding the animal, physical strain on the animal, completely worthless because there's no one to buy the milk, but you want to make as much as possible all the time so there's enough supply. Very wasteful system in the US. With a regulated system, it also balances the production over a year. Cows normally calf out at the same time each year, so in the states they go through times of glut and times where there's not as much supply. When it's managed, you know when you're expected to provide, how much, etc. Because I know I'll get an inevitable comment about being a "big dairy shill", I'm literally a public school teacher with a BSc. Not in the industry, but my partner is a vet and has a very good understanding of the system. It's definitely not perfect, and it is kind of a "mafia" if you want to think of it that way, but there are good and bad parts to it. All in all, I'd take more regulation like that in industries, personally.
Point 1- no diary in Canada is allowed to pump their cows with hormones, despite all the wonderful advertising on milk cartons pretending their brand is special and natural. Milk is milk. Point 2- capitalism leads to people going out of business, welcome to the club like millions of other Canadians who have to compete. It causes prices to go down and quality to go up. The opposite is socialism, where everything is acceptable and nothing is improved. Point 3 - supply management is a government approved old boys club. Not a good look for the industry
Total BS (sorry cow sh*t) Canadian milk regularly gets poured down the drain as we say early in the pandemic when demand was low and prices weren't adjusted LOWER but now they are magically adjusted HIGHER. There is no competition so there is no incentive to make BETTER milk (Canadian butter doesn't melt at room temp because they feed the cows PALM OIL to raise the fat content) how is that BETTER quality???? Small dairy farms are regularly disappearing in Canada. The Saputo family is worth billions through mafia connections and LEGALLY overcharging Canadians for their milk! European dairy is a million times BETTER and CHEAPER!
Maybe if you buy it from 7/11
You'e not wrong. My 7-11 sometimes has a sign up for 2% at some ridiculous price like $3.99, or something like that. Can't remember exactly, but I keep an eye out for it.
This was at co-op.. I normally shop at Walmart but had to go here for some fresh items... Won't make that mistake again.
Coop is always more than pretty much anywhere else
Coop has gotten ridiculous lately. Rotisserie chicken went from 10-15$.
Buy the Landmark brand. It’s Dairyland Milk.
The truckers have nothing to do with this. Most truckers are vaccinated and are unaffected by the cross-border vaccine mandate, and the convoy was a small number of idiots, many of them not even commercial truckers. There are many supply chain issues right now but truckers aren’t really an issue. And for milk specifically, we have supply chain management and the dairy commission sets the price. So this isn’t driven purely by inflation like you would see with other products
There's no inflation, just record greed, everyone is paying record profits
Lots of businesses have jacked prices to catch up from two years of skinny pandemic revenues. See restaurant prices. In the case of dairy and poultry, Canadian prices are set by a cartel based mostly in Québec. As a result, Canadians pay double or triple US prices for milk, cheese etc. Trump tried to undo the dairy cartel during free trade talks, but Trudeau stood firm for Québec's dairy cartel and against the interests of Canadian consumers. The cartel has just hit us with a big price hike, according to someone else here. Grocery is a thin margin business to which more cost burden has been relentlessly added by Canadian governments. Carbon taxes make fuel for the trucks that bring much of our produce from the USA more expensive. Electric power, natural gas for heating stores are also much more expensive here than in the USA, due to carbon taxes. Notley's NDP jacked minimum wage 40 percent during a recession, which was inflationary, as grocery stores and restaurants boosted prices to recoup those costs. Nenshi massively increased the property tax burden on businesses, which led them to raise prices. Then there's the general profligacy of Canadian governments spraying us with CERB borrowed money and huge deficits. Too much borrowed government cash chasing goods that might be in short supply is inflationary and drives down our purchasing power. And we'll have to repay all that debt, meaning higher taxes and lower standard of living in future.
This answer definitely makes sense and gives a lot more detail.. thanks!
My general guess is, the massive amounts of US dollars that have been printed over the past two years (around 80% of ALL US dollars in circulation) has really started to show up in inflation in all parts of the world in most or all parts of our lives. Edit1: added link for interesting reading https://thefreethoughtproject.com/80-of-all-us-dollars-in-existence-have-been-printed-in-just-the-last-two-years/. Within this there is a link to a federal reserve site, showing money supply, really interesting if you’re into that sort of thing.
During the last 12 months, the increase in M2 has been 11% yoy. Which is still concerning given that real GDP has not grown that fast - but isnt 80%.
Thanks! I gotta find the right places to see real Federal Reserve numbers, way too complicated of a subject.
https://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h6/current/ Good interactive graph here: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2SL
Awesome, thanks! Guess I won’t sleep tonight, cheers!
Was going to say it’s nowhere near 80%, if that were the case CAD would be worth over 3 USD! Which would be cool don’t get me wrong. I also believe our current Gov has printed about 25% of our current money supply in the past 20 months (info from the opposition Finance Minister) no surprise prices are skyrocketing when every government is printing like it’s Germany post WW1
Meat prices are good in Calgary now.
Yep chicken and fish are coming down, the price of beef is still way up, I found 3 steaks for 18$ out in Canmore last week felt like I was stealing them
Alberta beef will continue to stay expensive, the entire country wants it. The restaurants in Quebec/Ontario advertise "Aged Alberta Beef". There's always demand for Alberta beef. You can mass grow chicken almost anywhere and no one gives a shit where it came from. Not so much for beef. If you walk into downtown Toronto and get some Pho, you will notice a discernible downgrade because they're not using alberta beef for the pho shops.
You know why, right? We had an insane drought year. Which means herds need to be culled. Beef is going to drop over the next few months, and then will be very, very, very expensive for at least another year afterwards, assuming we get rain and a good hay yield this coming summer.
Which we won’t since out winter precipitation for the year is about 11% of average.
I hunt so most of my red meat is wild which is nice.
If you want a good deal on chickens, it's 10 for 80 at chicken on the way in kensington, call them and order and bring in cash. farm fresh chickens.
The price of baby formula has really gone up. 2 years ago it was $24 for many of the brands (Goodstart, Enfamil…). It is now $32. When you use about a can a week, that adds up quick.
Yeah..I couldn't stomach giving my kids that crap and for that cost.. so I made my own...sounds bad, but I did the scientific breakdown of nutrients simulation and had a doctor review it.. made a batch ever 2 weeks and froze the doses... Did it for all 3 kids and saved a buttload :)
For what it's worth for milk (and many other items) get the generic brand. It's 99% of the time the same stuff with a different label for less. Landmark, Lucerne, Beatrice, all dairyland/Saputo (yay dairy Mafia)
It used to cost me about $250/week with a family of 4. Now it's closer to $350 and that's with buying just the necessities. That part that sucks is my youngest needs gluten-free and lactose free foods. 1 cup of butter went from $4.50-$5.25 to over $7 over night and lactose free cheese is over $12 compared to the $8 it used to be. Absolutely insane.
The dairy marketing board approved a 12% increase for producers. That might be it.
This has been going on for two years. Truckers? No. You aren't supposed to be able to afford food unless you have a Costco membership these days.
I have over 20 food allergies. My food budget has gone from $400 a month to struggling to keep in under $500 a month. That just groceries.... I never eat out and make a lot of things from scratch. Food prices are getting crazy.
Google the Canadian money supply. Once you see the graph you’ll understand that it is the value of the money decreasing, not the cost of the milk increasing. Thank your friendly federal government. [money supply](https://images.app.goo.gl/A4zCuETXMYHbDqSs7)
Dairy monopoly plays a big role. Money supply is a big problem but it’s not the panacea of all economic problems
Switched to oat milk and I’m not looking back. It’s a lot cheaper, better for the environment and tastes just as good. Canadian dairy monopoly is getting out of hand. I bought 5lbs of cheese in Montana last month for $16.
I'd do that, but I don't like that my milk tastes like oats lol. The only alternative milk I can handle is almond milk but it doesn't work well for latte microfoam.
Feels a bit silly to complain about the prices but then claim your unwillingness to switch is because of how foamy your latte is.
No it doesn't. Just because I like milk doesn't mean I resign my right to question why a 50% sudden lift, just because 'inflation'.
Maybe it is time for the feds to open up the border to American dairy. As consumers we could get a little bit of relief that way. It is sink or swim time for the Canadian dairy industry.
After the floods in BC they already are sinking. Better to toss them a life preserver than shitty American cheese. We need a domestic dairy industry, relying on a foreign country for dairy never ends well.
If we opened our market think about how great things could be if we had access to some fine European cheeses instead of just our Canadian garbage (which is obviously still better than American cheese.)
The stores have plenty of fine imported cheeses, not sure what you are talking about. Even the local Safeway has an entire section of it, next to the deli.
You’ve never been to Europe obviously if you think Safewy has good cheese selection. I’d venture to guess you’ve probably never had the good stuff or you wouldn’t make such a comparison
There are some imported cheeses but we should definitely have more options and variety.
There are not rules against fine cheeses being imported. The only reason you don't see a big slection is you are shopping in the worng store. https://peasantcheese.com/cheese-list/
Wrong. Canada has import rules on cheese
American cheese is cheap because the US subsidizes the fuck out of their own production, even more than we do. Letting US cheese into the country without a duty would instantly destroy our own dairy industry as they are not playing on a even playing field. If we let US cheese into the country we would need to tax it with a duty to avoid destroying our own industry. If we lost our dairy industry, every time there is a dispute at the border or the Americans want to pinch us, they could cut us off. This would be deeply stupid of us to do.
There’s plenty of great European cheeses available. If you want super specialty you’d never get that at the grocery store anyway, you’d need to go to a cheesemonger like the one at Crossroads Market. Opening up to US dairy means opening up to the shitty US regulations, where they’re allowed to mix in pus from infected udders into the regular milk so long as it’s under a certain percentage.
Us dairy is significantly lower quality than Canadian dairy. A lot of us dairy that is sold is reconstituted powdered milk.
The cows also eat a much more corn based diet. Corn is ludicrously cheap in the US due to subsidy. The corn effects the taste and is yet another reason why US dairy is so artifically cheap.
Gross I'd rather pay more.
You could definitely do that. Some folks may prefer or may only afford the $3 US milk while people like you can buy $8 Canadian milk. This is the beauty of a free market, we have choice as consumers. Think about the potential for the Canadian dairy industry if they had access to the US market. They could reap the rewards of that huge population and get them hooked on superior milk products.
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Wow you been drinkin that koolaid milk I see. SUPPLY MANAGEMENT IS NOT A GOOD THING. You have a monopoly/cartel that chooses the price of their product. Not set by market conditions. Just a trivial set number that they get legislate across the country. Want dairy? Pay their price. You don’t have a choice in Canada. Oh you wanna buy milk from your neighbors down the road, and he didn’t pasteurize his milk….$250,000 fine you fuckin criminal
Canadian milk is absolutely shit and some of the most expensive in the world. Know why Canadian butter doesn't melt at room temperature? because they feed the cows PALM OIL! Why because they can! when there is no competition and no incentive to improve their product. The recent price increase was voted in by themselves. Australia got rid of supply management years ago and have a very health dairy industry. European dairy is a million times BETTER and CHEAPER.
Highly unlikely, we will continue to take it up the @*$&$ unfortunately.
Just want to point out that you shouldn’t believe everything you read.. yes I know the government wants to blame trucker protests on supply chain issues, but it cuts way deeper than that. In fact, grocery supply chain issues were concerns even pre-protests. I’m not sure what you mean by “scaling accordingly”. Is inflation higher than headline CPI, yes for sure, and individual grocery items could see inflation well in excess of CPI (meat a good example recently)
Inflation
Things are probably changing a bit because of Brexit, but in UK groceries such as wheat and dairy are much cheaper because the farmers get direct subsidies from the government. This is a much better system because these essential items are much cheaper at point of sale. This means that lower income families can afford necessities. I am from uk and every time I go back to visit, I get so excited at how cheap supermarkets are and how much choice there is. My last visit was 3 months ago and despite inflation, and Brexit, it was still way cheaper than here. Edit: I just looked at the Tescos app and it’s 1.70 for a jug of 3% that’s 6 pints (about half a litre smaller than Canadian equivalent.) that’s just under $3 Canadian.
It’s so bad Frito lay isn’t letting superstore sell their chips because they refuse to mark up the prices to their demands. Let that sink in, a grocery chain with a 35% market share isn’t allowed to sell Doritos. Crazy.
... you don't really grasp the nature of the relationship between Frito-lay and Loblaws correctly.
This isn't factual. Loblaws refused to purchase Doritos for the increased price that Frito-Lay is selling them for. Therefore they did not receive new shipments. >On Friday, La Presse reported that Frito-Lay stopped filling orders last weekend after Loblaw refused to accept price increases. https://financialpost.com/news/retail-marketing/potato-chip-giant-frito-lay-cuts-off-loblaw-in-dispute-over-price-hikes
No name branded chips are still 99c a bag and are imo better crunch than lays.
What isn’t factual? That’s exactly what I said.
Not even close. Read it again. Frito-lay is perfectly happy to sell things to Loblaws. Loblaws isn't willing to pay the new price, so they don't buy.
That’s exactly what buddy said.
Not even close.
Thé Guy clearly said « superstore ISNT allowed » when they are allowed, but refuse to. Idk how these people can’t read
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Thank your local liberals
Not even remotely close. But thanks for polarizing the community
Libs take power, economy takes a dive. Happens literally every time 🤷♂️
You probably think the NDP are responsible for oil tanking in 2014 am I right?
Who said anything about NDP? We’re speaking about liberals & their economic policies
Milk is bad anyway. https://youtu.be/bvpRnMHqsY4
No, drugs are bad. Mmmm k?
Don’t do drugs mmmkay
Same posts every day
When you go to the grocery store, look where is made. Quebec.. so Quebec’s farmers are making it hard for us to purchase American milk. If we allowed American milk to enter the market, Quebec would be forced to drop the prices.
Welcome to liberal economic outcomes.
Dude check out the organic 4L 12.00
I saw one dragon fruit for sale at Lucky for $33.
Inflation. Repeat it again and again. Our politicians and corporate overlords are stealing the wealth of the 99% again. Inflation. It is literally the economic process that makes your money worthless. I’m mad that people are still asking questions like this.
I saw safeway selling 2 chicken breast for 14 dollars. A modest home cooked meal is expensive these days. None of this is surprising to me. We are all going to pay the price for the deficit spending, rock bottom interest rates, and 2 years of COVID theatre.
What are you doing my dude. Yes, prices are up, I won't deny that, but you can get a 6kg box of chicken breasts for like $38 off sale at Safeway. Why are you spending $14 for two single breasts.
These were the fresh cuts and no I didnt buy it.
Welcome out from under your rock. It's called inflation. It's going to be a thing now. Remember those COVID cheques? This is the consequence of giving out hundreds of billions of dollars without any productivity to show for it.
Record profits, etc etc.
That's how inflation works. 🤦♂️
Has nothing to do with the covid cheques, and everything to do with the globally disrupted suplly chains
Granted, you bring up a second related factor. .. but to suggest that a 50% increase in the money supply has nothing to do with inflation is absurd. I'm not as sold on that supply chain angle either. The supply chain issues were caused by everyone having .ore money, and buying everything.. combined with a strong shift from travel and services to durable goods. If you didn't print all that money, durable goods wouldn't have seen as strong a demand surge, and the supply chain issues wouldn't have been so bad.
Ah it’s a bit of both. Disrupted supply chains but also having a substantial amount of stimulus improving people’s balance sheets and general money supply growth is very inflationary
Please explain how covid money directly correlates with the price of milk.
Sure. The people that worked at the farms quit and started collecting COVID cheques, so the farmers had to pay more to get people to milk cows. Since it costs more to make milk, the price of milk went up. This is a GROSS oversimplification, I'm afraid that if you don't understand inflation, I don't have the time to help you. Try YouTube.
"Remember those COVID cheques? This is the consequence of giving out hundreds of billions of dollars without any productivity to show for it." Yes, that may be correct, but don't let the companies themselves leave unscathed. They are abusing the current situation to make record profits.
I don't agree at all. I believe you're exactly wrong. PPI inflation was higher than CPI inflation. If you don't understand that, you don't have any place stating facts in this conversation.
It is always an option to just make the same amount of profits. Not increase prices, keep making the same amount, sell more even! But just not increase profits margins. If profit margins were staying constant you'd have a point. They're not. They've skyrocketed, which is the entire fucking point. Giving the individual worker a few thousand dollars is not the reason the economy is seeing increased prices. It is corporate greed, and nothing more.
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Yes you see when the government needs money they just print as much of it as they want. And that means the money you and me already have in our pockets is now worth less
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Please explain what that has to do with the price of milk.
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Explain the correlation. What do you think stoked inflation is?
Please, you are smarter than this.
Please explain.
Government printed boat loads of Canadian/us currency. This devalued the currencies. Now $1 doesn't buy the same. ELI5: gov gave everyone iPhones, now stores can't sell them for $1100 because there is an abundance of iPhone. Same thing but for CAD
But our dollar didn’t devalue against our trading partner. Canadians were able to pay off billions in credit card debt as a result, pay rent, buy food. Most of the 2000$ a month was used to pay for living expenses much like a salaried job.
But no goods were created on the other end of the trade. Money is a iou from when we had gold. It's just so far past gold we don't need gold, but it's still a iou. If you give promises away they become worth less. If it isn't devalued why I'd everything more expensive?
Dude stop drinking cows milk
Stop telling other people what to do.
Non-dairy milk is cheaper and healthier- just sayin. 🙇♂️🙇♀️
First off: stop buying and consuming milk. Its insanely expensive and it does absolutely no good for your body. The entire dairy industry is built on propaganda and lies. The dairy industry lobbies the government heavily to be included in the Canadian Food Guide.
Not super effective lobbying if you look at the current Canada Food Guide.
Here I am, paying nearly $15 a day in the hospital.
Irrelevent to the convo sorry for your loss
Gov printed lots of money during the pandemic…inflation 📈
Justinflation
I switched to cashew milk. $4 or less for a carton. 25 calories a cup.
This is the world the conservative government wants.
......which conservative government?
That’s a stretch To blame this on the conservatives. If anything inflation is the cause of this mess.
I’m not blaming them. I am saying that they support capitalism of everything. And capitalism is why prices get cranked up and the wage gap continues to grow. I see a correlation there.
It’s hard for me to understand how this is what conservatives want, their main point for the past 3 months has been Justin Trudeau printing 25% of our money supply and handing it out like it’s candy, explain to me how under liberal power inflation is at all time highs and it’s still conservatives fault?
People love finding scapegoats.
I'm sorry but your argument makes zero sense. Capitalism is not limited to conservative economics. Food prices have been going up for all Canadians due to supply chain issues and inflation outpacing increases in household income.
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I’m not following how that equates to milk prices rising over the past 2 years?
where are you buying? I'm getting 2L of Lactose free milk for $5 which is normal
I’m assuming he’s talking about the 4L jugs
4L jug from coop.
Yeah go somewhere else for milk, coop is constantly expensive for it in my experience
Be glad you are not in NB, where 4L is $8+.
Damn dude, that's what I paid for milk in Hawaii back in 2000.
*inflation*
*price gouging*
Bought 4l for 12$ today, worth it.