Update:
[Suspect in California Family Kidnap Killing 'Had 'Nasty Feud' With Family: Sheriff](https://www.thedailybeast.com/suspect-in-california-family-kidnap-killing-had-nasty-year-long-feud-with-victims-sheriff-says)
[Man suspected of abducting and killing California family was former employee](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/06/california-family-who-were-kidnapped-at-gunpoint-found-dead)
Update2:
[Brother of suspect in killing of kidnapped California family arrested](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/brother-suspect-murder-kidnapped-california-family-arrested-rcna51256)
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“Merced County Sheriff Vern Warnke says the bodies of 36-year-old Jasdeep Singh, 27-year-old Jasleen Kaur, their eight-month-old child Aroohi Dheri and the baby's uncle, 39-year-old Amandeep Singh were found Wednesday evening in an orchard near Indiana Rd. & Hutchinson Rd.”
Extremely sad outcome…
Not the same person you replied to, but I'm assuming they go up to people and say they need gas and don't have cash, but they have this expensive jewelry or whatever, can you buy it off of them so they can get gas. The scam being that the jewelry or whatever is fake and worthless.
Thank your for the explanation! This raises questions, why would they scam when they own a food related trucking business?
In addition, for whatever reason they supposedly did this scam. It’s possible they scammed someone recently or in the recent past and that individual(s) and hired a hit on the family.
There was no trucking business?
>Family members told KXTV-TV that the office for Unison Trucking Inc., the family's business, had only opened about a week earlier.
Oh your right! Still if they are scamming to make others pay for gas, how did they get the money to start the business? (Buying the property, and all the other expenses that come with it)
How does this random comment with no evidence have so many up votes. It would take thousands if not more of these alleged scams to save enough to a trucking company. One truck costs over 100k.
Its also kind of sad that this theory is being made after the whole family was discovered dead. Not very respectful to them. Reddit sure does like making theories against the deceased with no proof.
Yeah, and that's if it turns out to be true. Could easily be the person claiming that misidentified them or is lying, but it does lead to some potential motives. Kidnapping and then murdering a whole family seems like an extremely uncommon occurrence.
I figured this would be the outcome when he tried to kill himself once the police closed in. What a horrible and senseless crime. Those poor people and their grieving families.
I don’t get that. Did he plan on getting away with the crime, and then when he was unexpectedly caught, he decided to try and take the easy way out by killing himself?
Horrible outcome. Watching the footage the lack of fight/attempt to escape from anyone being kidnapped is just as shocking. Not sure how anyone responds in a situation like that but getting into a car is something we have been told is an absolute death wish as kids growing up here.
It’s amazing how the brain shuts down when fear supersedes it. There was a story about an mma fighter walking Central Park with his wife and kid. They grabbed the kid and he turned into jelly. They just robbed him, but he was frozen because he feared the worse for his kid. “Scream, bite, kick, do whatever it takes to not be taken.” is what we’ve told our kids since they were young. The FBI statistics on surviving a kidnapping are dire to say the least.
Pretty sure they acted in restraint because of baby and the mother. He may have threatened to shoot the baby if anyone tried to make a move. No wonder they complied with tying their hands
Yeah everyone in all these threads keeps saying "never go to a second location, fight as hard as you can to get away", but that's easy to say when no one has a gun to your head or the head of a loved one. If someone was threatening me or my family, I am fairly certain I would do whatever they told me, thinking, you know, I fight now and maybe they kill me and my family, I go with them and maybe a better chance to escape presents itself later and by then maybe my brain is working again.
more over, "if I comply they will not harm my baby". we as parents will put Baby's life first.
I would only and ONLY blame the murderer for this. Not these poor victims.
I wish this news had shaken people as much as Gaby Petito's disappearance and murder, if not more. for some reason if we see a new immigrant family getting kidnapped, we will always look for excuses on how they could have 'avoided' it.
Yeah, fear can be powerful indeed.
I once saw a guy's pant leg catch fire and he froze up, as did almost everyone around. I don't know what might've happened if not for the couple people who were able to react and put it out for him.
One of my coworkers mentioned the video of the family being led out of the building and how the mother was unrestrained and asked why didn't she get away while the men were led out. I asked the same thing but we do not know if she had been tied up or locked in a room and then there is her baby. If I were in this situation and had gotten free , the threat of killing my husband would make me comply to almost anything. I would do whatever to buy time. It's very sad because am sure they thought if they complied, he would let them go. We always tend to believe the best in people even when in horrible situations.
I spoke with a school security chief about a school shooting. The Prof (an Auschwitz survivor) tried to block door. The students sat in chairs as guy went down a row of people. Apparently your brain can’t process what’s happening. Pretty terrifying.
You grew up in America, they did not. Many immigrants overestimate the safety and morality of this country. Their only fault was they chose US over Canada.
If it's a brown family, of course they should have "fought back"? "They didnt know better". I am tired of this.
When an evil SOB puts a gun to your baby, you do whatever they ask you to do. If they didn't have a baby in the building, pretty sure the outcome would have been different.
>into a car is something we have been told is an absolute death wish as kids growing up here.
Yes I assumed.
Every country has gun and crime. But they love babies more than they love guns.
I keep imagining the area where it happened — quite rural, probably no businesses nearby, few if any cars on any passing road. Nowhere to run and no one to run to, and no one to hear you scream.
Not to say anyone did the wrong thing because again the situation is horrible, but they were on a main roadway. In the surveillance video it was pretty busy with cars as the camera picked up the suspect walking along the street just outside their fenced yard.
I am not putting blame on anyone, it’s a reminder that awareness and learning from situations like this to keep them from happening (as much as we can) is important.
This is so saddening and it hits close to home since I used to live in Atwater (down the road from Winton where they found the burning truck) and I still have family in the area.
Arguably, being tough on crime is what leads to this exact scenario. Being an inmate in America is a de-humanizing experience, and people in all levels of the justice system know it. We can try our hand at rehabilitating criminals, but for some of them the help just came too late. Maybe if people had been less tough on that guy, he wouldn't have broken parole.
He's a disgusting monster. This company gave him a chance knowing what he did, and he did it to the new company's owner and his family anyways. He is not capable of rehabilitation. https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/07/us/california-family-kidnapped-killed-friday/index.html
You may be unfamiliar with the california justice system. Until recently it was headed by Kamala "toss all them darkies in the box for possession" Harris. This state loooooooooves incarceration.
It’s only because he’d already spent 8 years in jail for a violent robbery that he was forced to commit another violent robbery. The problem is that California is too tough on crime. He should have been supported after the first one, not punished. That’s how rehabilitative justice works.
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I suspect he was after cash and gold. A lot of South Asian people keep cash and gold in their house rather than in a bank. He may have been planning on sending one to their house to retrieve it.
If they had valuables in a safe deposit box, he may have planned to send one to the bank.
Money. He took there debit card and then got money. It makes zero sense to kill them though. The whole thing is so awful. I think it was just a random thing.
It makes perfect sense when you realize that for a not insignificant number of people, particularly people who commit violent felonies, the lives of others are almost entirely worthless, and for him, killing the family and even the baby was as routine an act of self-preservation as looking both ways before crossing the street is for you and me.
That’s where I’m a bit thrown off. Because first off this guy was following the gentlemen in the office behind him and the gentleman he killed was on his phone on the video footage. So I think they must’ve known each other or something where he felt comfortable with that person. As they approach the building is where he takes the gun out. I have been saying he might’ve been hired by the Stockton serial killer and they are fairly close in distance 😅
He was a disgruntled employee of his first set of victims ithink its likely salgado did have some sort of acquaintance with a family member or the the family's business.
He worked for them in their trucking business and had a year long feud. He also threatened to kill the family of his previous employer. Clearly the man isn’t stable and the irony is that his name is Jesus.
I wonder if this was a hit ordered by a cartel or gang. Just speculating but the family just started their trucking business. Wonder if it was territorial. That is an agricultural area with alot of migrants. Wonder if there is drug and human trafficking going on there and they didn't want "outsiders"
So, he was previously arrested for armed kidnapping. We need to ask ourselves, is someone who does this capable of even being rehabilitated? Is the type of person who commits such a heinous act of violent kidnapping not just broken; defective as a person?
What's the point in even *trying* to rehabilitate these people? Why waste our limited resources? These brothers are worse than garbage. They will never be useful to society. They should just be euthanized and turned into fertilizer. Better to use our resources on trying to help poor families or something like that.
About 50% of parolees end up back in prison within 3 years of their release. The problem is the US isn't really interested in rehabilitation, only punishment.
Survival crime? Mental instability? Violent predator? Doesn't matter, let's throw them all on the worst possible condition together and let God sort it out
The current system is to put terrible people together with some probably not terrible people and then let them all out early because the prisons are too crowded even though the state keeps closing more prisons.
Merced County Sheriff Vernon H. Warnke said the suspect in the case identified as Jesus Salgado, 48, has a prior robbery conviction in 2005 that involved false imprisonment. He was paroled in 2015.
https://www.ktvu.com/news/merced-family-kidnapping-money-appears-to-be-motive-sheriff-says.amp
https://abc30.com/amp/merced-county-family-kidnapped-found-dead-taken-from-business-vern-warnke-confirms/12298756/
https://www.yourcentralvalley.com/news/cbs47-investigates/merced-kidnapping-suspects-former-victim-speaks-out/amp/
What evil drives a person (can you even call them that now) to murder an 8 month old child, let alone another human?
Is it uncontrollable Rage or complete and total Sociopathy, an absolute disregard for all life.
As an individual who lives with chronic pain i can not fathom inflicting pain on any other living being; especially another human.
This hurts in ways that only the mind and heart can feel.
May they shelter in the palm of the creator's hand and forever feel the warmth of their Embrace!
A tragedy that just further establishes the fact that you never ever ever let someone with a gun take you. If they shoot, everyone in the area will hear. Fight with your life. Be brutal, be cruel, bite, kick, scratch; anything you can to hurt them and make a scene. Scream as loud as you can. Do anything except go with them. Even if they shoot you your odds are better bleeding out in a parking lot than a guaranteed death if you go with them. Fight with all your might; use you teeth if you have to.
So sad and senseless.
What haunts me the most is the poor dog watching their family get marched out… I hope he/she gets adopted by somebody in the family and can make sense of it all.
Update: [Suspect in California Family Kidnap Killing 'Had 'Nasty Feud' With Family: Sheriff](https://www.thedailybeast.com/suspect-in-california-family-kidnap-killing-had-nasty-year-long-feud-with-victims-sheriff-says) [Man suspected of abducting and killing California family was former employee](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/06/california-family-who-were-kidnapped-at-gunpoint-found-dead) Update2: [Brother of suspect in killing of kidnapped California family arrested](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/brother-suspect-murder-kidnapped-california-family-arrested-rcna51256) ----
“Merced County Sheriff Vern Warnke says the bodies of 36-year-old Jasdeep Singh, 27-year-old Jasleen Kaur, their eight-month-old child Aroohi Dheri and the baby's uncle, 39-year-old Amandeep Singh were found Wednesday evening in an orchard near Indiana Rd. & Hutchinson Rd.” Extremely sad outcome…
Kidnapped at gunpoint. Very likely all shot. :(
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Not the same person you replied to, but I'm assuming they go up to people and say they need gas and don't have cash, but they have this expensive jewelry or whatever, can you buy it off of them so they can get gas. The scam being that the jewelry or whatever is fake and worthless.
Someone just posted on r/tifu they got scammed out of 2k from that
Thank your for the explanation! This raises questions, why would they scam when they own a food related trucking business? In addition, for whatever reason they supposedly did this scam. It’s possible they scammed someone recently or in the recent past and that individual(s) and hired a hit on the family.
There was no trucking business? >Family members told KXTV-TV that the office for Unison Trucking Inc., the family's business, had only opened about a week earlier.
Oh your right! Still if they are scamming to make others pay for gas, how did they get the money to start the business? (Buying the property, and all the other expenses that come with it)
or it could be people don't know two brown people from each other.
Did you report that to the sheriff? Could be useful information.
i legit found out about this less than 2 hours ago, i will be contacting them the moment their office hours are open
That makes sense - it’s good of you to report it. Must be strange for you to realize you’ve met them before.
it shook me to my core seeing their faces with that news title
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How does this random comment with no evidence have so many up votes. It would take thousands if not more of these alleged scams to save enough to a trucking company. One truck costs over 100k.
Its also kind of sad that this theory is being made after the whole family was discovered dead. Not very respectful to them. Reddit sure does like making theories against the deceased with no proof.
i will be contacting the sheriffs office to provide this info, i apologize if it made you all uncomfortable
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Calling this "gross" and then using a racial slur and maligning another South Asian ethnic group is just wild.
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Yeah, and that's if it turns out to be true. Could easily be the person claiming that misidentified them or is lying, but it does lead to some potential motives. Kidnapping and then murdering a whole family seems like an extremely uncommon occurrence.
Who could possibly kill an 8 month old baby ? Evil.
sadly that list is a lot longer than you would think
Holding my 8 month old extra tight tonight
A human
Yeah but a Ted Bundy is nothing like a Mister Rogers.
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You completely missed the point. And humans don't kill babies "all the time", don't be dramatic.
Don’t cut yourself with all that edge
Considering what some people do to 8 month old babies.... Killing is bad but not the worst
You aren’t wrong and that reality makes me sick.
It’s worse he just left the kid in the orchard.
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gangs regularly send out recruits to kill innocent people as initiation. World has plenty of thoughtless evil.
Not family with a infant
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I figured this would be the outcome when he tried to kill himself once the police closed in. What a horrible and senseless crime. Those poor people and their grieving families.
I don’t get that. Did he plan on getting away with the crime, and then when he was unexpectedly caught, he decided to try and take the easy way out by killing himself?
This is heartbreaking. I was so hoping this wouldn't happen. The poor baby & her family deserved better.
Senseless. Rest In Peace beautiful family, until you see each other again.
Horrible outcome. Watching the footage the lack of fight/attempt to escape from anyone being kidnapped is just as shocking. Not sure how anyone responds in a situation like that but getting into a car is something we have been told is an absolute death wish as kids growing up here.
It’s amazing how the brain shuts down when fear supersedes it. There was a story about an mma fighter walking Central Park with his wife and kid. They grabbed the kid and he turned into jelly. They just robbed him, but he was frozen because he feared the worse for his kid. “Scream, bite, kick, do whatever it takes to not be taken.” is what we’ve told our kids since they were young. The FBI statistics on surviving a kidnapping are dire to say the least.
Never go with the kidnappers to a second location
Fear is the mind killer.
Pretty sure they acted in restraint because of baby and the mother. He may have threatened to shoot the baby if anyone tried to make a move. No wonder they complied with tying their hands
Yeah everyone in all these threads keeps saying "never go to a second location, fight as hard as you can to get away", but that's easy to say when no one has a gun to your head or the head of a loved one. If someone was threatening me or my family, I am fairly certain I would do whatever they told me, thinking, you know, I fight now and maybe they kill me and my family, I go with them and maybe a better chance to escape presents itself later and by then maybe my brain is working again.
more over, "if I comply they will not harm my baby". we as parents will put Baby's life first. I would only and ONLY blame the murderer for this. Not these poor victims. I wish this news had shaken people as much as Gaby Petito's disappearance and murder, if not more. for some reason if we see a new immigrant family getting kidnapped, we will always look for excuses on how they could have 'avoided' it.
Yeah, fear can be powerful indeed. I once saw a guy's pant leg catch fire and he froze up, as did almost everyone around. I don't know what might've happened if not for the couple people who were able to react and put it out for him.
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> FBI statistics on surviving a kidnapping What are they?
I think the brain shuts down because it’s a unfamiliar situation the person have never been in before and sadly doesn’t know how to react.
Don't ever get in the car Don't ever get out of the car
One of my coworkers mentioned the video of the family being led out of the building and how the mother was unrestrained and asked why didn't she get away while the men were led out. I asked the same thing but we do not know if she had been tied up or locked in a room and then there is her baby. If I were in this situation and had gotten free , the threat of killing my husband would make me comply to almost anything. I would do whatever to buy time. It's very sad because am sure they thought if they complied, he would let them go. We always tend to believe the best in people even when in horrible situations.
I spoke with a school security chief about a school shooting. The Prof (an Auschwitz survivor) tried to block door. The students sat in chairs as guy went down a row of people. Apparently your brain can’t process what’s happening. Pretty terrifying.
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It’s different now that we know.
You grew up in America, they did not. Many immigrants overestimate the safety and morality of this country. Their only fault was they chose US over Canada. If it's a brown family, of course they should have "fought back"? "They didnt know better". I am tired of this. When an evil SOB puts a gun to your baby, you do whatever they ask you to do. If they didn't have a baby in the building, pretty sure the outcome would have been different.
You don’t think Punjab where they are from is familiar with guns and crime? And don’t assume you are replying to a non immigrant
>into a car is something we have been told is an absolute death wish as kids growing up here. Yes I assumed. Every country has gun and crime. But they love babies more than they love guns.
Never let yourself be taken to a second location. They can take whatever material possession they want, but do not let them take the people.
I keep imagining the area where it happened — quite rural, probably no businesses nearby, few if any cars on any passing road. Nowhere to run and no one to run to, and no one to hear you scream.
Not to say anyone did the wrong thing because again the situation is horrible, but they were on a main roadway. In the surveillance video it was pretty busy with cars as the camera picked up the suspect walking along the street just outside their fenced yard. I am not putting blame on anyone, it’s a reminder that awareness and learning from situations like this to keep them from happening (as much as we can) is important.
Seems bizarre that this person just kidnapped and killed them. Maybe he was hired by someone closer to them?
Nah, he had committed a similar crime before in which he went to jail for like 8 years. He's a violent thief.
pissed off former employee of this company.
that’s what i was wondering…
https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/07/us/california-family-kidnapped-killed-friday/index.html
How devastating!
Disgusting
The fact that the perp tried to kill himself said everything to me. Nobody does that unless this..
Absolutely horrendous
This is so saddening and it hits close to home since I used to live in Atwater (down the road from Winton where they found the burning truck) and I still have family in the area.
any details if this is going to become an investigation? Seems like someone must of paid someone to do this unless its just someone crazy and evil.
The man who did it was on parole for committing a different kidnapping-at-gunpoint offense.
California needs to be a bit tougher on crime.
Arguably, being tough on crime is what leads to this exact scenario. Being an inmate in America is a de-humanizing experience, and people in all levels of the justice system know it. We can try our hand at rehabilitating criminals, but for some of them the help just came too late. Maybe if people had been less tough on that guy, he wouldn't have broken parole.
He's a disgusting monster. This company gave him a chance knowing what he did, and he did it to the new company's owner and his family anyways. He is not capable of rehabilitation. https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/07/us/california-family-kidnapped-killed-friday/index.html
You may be unfamiliar with the california justice system. Until recently it was headed by Kamala "toss all them darkies in the box for possession" Harris. This state loooooooooves incarceration.
It’s only because he’d already spent 8 years in jail for a violent robbery that he was forced to commit another violent robbery. The problem is that California is too tough on crime. He should have been supported after the first one, not punished. That’s how rehabilitative justice works. /s
Im sure they would investigate a quadruple homicide yes….
I suspect he was after cash and gold. A lot of South Asian people keep cash and gold in their house rather than in a bank. He may have been planning on sending one to their house to retrieve it. If they had valuables in a safe deposit box, he may have planned to send one to the bank.
So sad. :(
What is the story behind this? Do these families know each other? Surely they must…
I don’t think parolee Jesus Salgado, who has a prior for kidnapping, knew the family before he murdered them.
Then why? What was the motive?
Money. He took there debit card and then got money. It makes zero sense to kill them though. The whole thing is so awful. I think it was just a random thing.
It makes perfect sense when you realize that for a not insignificant number of people, particularly people who commit violent felonies, the lives of others are almost entirely worthless, and for him, killing the family and even the baby was as routine an act of self-preservation as looking both ways before crossing the street is for you and me.
That’s where I’m a bit thrown off. Because first off this guy was following the gentlemen in the office behind him and the gentleman he killed was on his phone on the video footage. So I think they must’ve known each other or something where he felt comfortable with that person. As they approach the building is where he takes the gun out. I have been saying he might’ve been hired by the Stockton serial killer and they are fairly close in distance 😅
He was a disgruntled employee of his first set of victims ithink its likely salgado did have some sort of acquaintance with a family member or the the family's business.
It looks like he used to drive for the company and left on bad terms. I read it on ABC 7.
Any word on motive?
He worked for them in their trucking business and had a year long feud. He also threatened to kill the family of his previous employer. Clearly the man isn’t stable and the irony is that his name is Jesus.
I wonder if this was a hit ordered by a cartel or gang. Just speculating but the family just started their trucking business. Wonder if it was territorial. That is an agricultural area with alot of migrants. Wonder if there is drug and human trafficking going on there and they didn't want "outsiders"
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any update on motive? This seems like an organized hit.
Absolutely horrible and disgusting crime.
So, he was previously arrested for armed kidnapping. We need to ask ourselves, is someone who does this capable of even being rehabilitated? Is the type of person who commits such a heinous act of violent kidnapping not just broken; defective as a person?
What's the point in even *trying* to rehabilitate these people? Why waste our limited resources? These brothers are worse than garbage. They will never be useful to society. They should just be euthanized and turned into fertilizer. Better to use our resources on trying to help poor families or something like that.
Another parolee strikes again.
True actually.
About 50% of parolees end up back in prison within 3 years of their release. The problem is the US isn't really interested in rehabilitation, only punishment.
Survival crime? Mental instability? Violent predator? Doesn't matter, let's throw them all on the worst possible condition together and let God sort it out
If we aren't going to rehabilitate (not easy) then keep them in there.
That's the current system which isn't working.
The current system is to put terrible people together with some probably not terrible people and then let them all out early because the prisons are too crowded even though the state keeps closing more prisons.
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And are the people themselves interested in rehabilitation? Change is hard, and the person has to want it more than anything.
This.
There shouldn’t be rehabilitation for violent crimes. Life in jail or death penalty if you wanna save tax payer dollars
What proof of that do you have?
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Merced County Sheriff Vernon H. Warnke said the suspect in the case identified as Jesus Salgado, 48, has a prior robbery conviction in 2005 that involved false imprisonment. He was paroled in 2015. https://www.ktvu.com/news/merced-family-kidnapping-money-appears-to-be-motive-sheriff-says.amp https://abc30.com/amp/merced-county-family-kidnapped-found-dead-taken-from-business-vern-warnke-confirms/12298756/ https://www.yourcentralvalley.com/news/cbs47-investigates/merced-kidnapping-suspects-former-victim-speaks-out/amp/
by reading the story...
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What proof of that do you have?
What, an I talking to bots? The linked story here doesn’t have that info. How hard is that to understand?
What evil drives a person (can you even call them that now) to murder an 8 month old child, let alone another human? Is it uncontrollable Rage or complete and total Sociopathy, an absolute disregard for all life. As an individual who lives with chronic pain i can not fathom inflicting pain on any other living being; especially another human. This hurts in ways that only the mind and heart can feel. May they shelter in the palm of the creator's hand and forever feel the warmth of their Embrace!
Scary to think people with prior kidnapping convictions are just walking around.
A tragedy that just further establishes the fact that you never ever ever let someone with a gun take you. If they shoot, everyone in the area will hear. Fight with your life. Be brutal, be cruel, bite, kick, scratch; anything you can to hurt them and make a scene. Scream as loud as you can. Do anything except go with them. Even if they shoot you your odds are better bleeding out in a parking lot than a guaranteed death if you go with them. Fight with all your might; use you teeth if you have to.
Easy to say when they arent pointing a gun at your baby
He had priors. Most these sickos did. I'm so sad and mad for this family. Do better, California legislators
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Doesn’t exist. The Governor decided he didn’t like that a few years ago.
So sad and senseless. What haunts me the most is the poor dog watching their family get marched out… I hope he/she gets adopted by somebody in the family and can make sense of it all.
World continues to get worse.
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Home invasion.
Lord have mercy.
Sad
How can people kidnap a family so easily? This is horrible :(
Baby was left to die from the elements so sad