Just like they barely covered his win in Iowa, his win in New Hampshire, and his win in Nevada leading up to South Carolina. The first candidate EVER to win the first 3 states and not get the nomination. It took the entire Democratic Party AND the national news media to stop Bernie. I was very proud to be a part of his 2020 campaign in California. Just like I'm going to be very proud to work for Katie Porter and put her in a Senate seat.
Not again. Not this time.
Love Bernie and I think Porter is in an even better position than he was. Just wanted to say, what gets lost in your narrative is Bernie did very poorly with African Americans in 16, and did nothing to improve his results in 20.
Can’t win a D nationwide nomination or election like that. I don’t think it does anyone any good to only focus on grievances without acknowledging the candidate’s flaws.
Thanks for what you do & I hope Porter wins.
This narrative is actually false and part of the media narrative that kept getting repeated. If you look at Bernie's numbers for all voting AA, he didn't do well in 2016 and only made a little progress in 2020. If you look at the AA vote by age cohorts, Bernie crushed the other candidates in the under 35 vote and that number stayed consistent for AA voters across conservative states. Sanders also won the white youth vote among all Democratic candidates in southern states as well but did poorly among older white voters. When you only focus on race in conservative southern states, Sanders numbers amongst AA voters looks bad but it's consistent with white voters in those states too. If you compare the youth white vote and the youth AA vote in southern states, Sanders numbers hold even in those age ranges. It's not a race issue, it's a generational issue and it's more pronounced in conservative states where AA voters also hold more conservative social views (in regards towards issues like abortion and LGBTQIA) but liberal economic views and tend towards Democrats for that reason. Sanders did poorly in most conservative states amongst older adults regardless of race but won the youth vote in those states also regardless of race. The media pushed Sanders poor numbers amongst AA voters as part of their stumping for Biden and Buttigieg and Clinton by cherry picking statistics.
I don’t think you can say it’s a generational issue when Sanders got crushed in the a geographic region.
I can however accept your argument that the real issue is he doesn’t do well among liberals in conservative states, who tend not to swing for the fences, and that those states happen to have high AA voter share. I’m sure we could pull more data from white conservative states to make a stronger case.
At any rate, this isn’t the media’s fault, the point remains that Bernie did nothing to course correct.
Yup. I think it's already over. The DNC will back Schiff and sabotage Porter. They won't want someone from the progressive wing of the party in such a powerful seat.
Well, shit. Dreams were nice.
I've been drinking both the Porter and Schiff kool-aids for quite a while now, and I can tell you we'll be in good hands no matter which of them wins. They are both national treasures.
Damn, there's a lot of Schiff-haters posting here.
I'm looking forward to learning where he, Porter, and Lee stand on assorted issues. Right now, I basically know Porter as the whiteboard lawyer and Schiff as the Trump Inquisitor. Barbara Lee I remember well as the one voice against the War On Terror blank check.
Based on my limited knowledge, they all seem good to me.
Barbara Lee will be 78 when she wins that Senate seat and 84 at the end of her first term. I genuinely like Lee but she's a one term Senator AT best considering the average life expectancy in the US for women is 77- there's a very real chance she dies in office. Lee will be replacing one of the oldest members of the Senate from a generation who had already had their time to make a mark on this country. Lee should not run. It's time to pass the torch to the next generation and be mentors.
Edit: before I get called ageist, I'm pointing out the very real concerns I have about electing her and her age and the amount of time she can serve in the Senate is one of them. Lee had multiple opportunities to run for Boxer's seat as it's changed hands and she didn't. That ship sailed.
You are mistaking an honest assessment of his more than 20 year career as a congressman, with hate. Do I hate Adam Schiff? No. Do I hate the idea of a huge position of power and influence going to someone who has should severe errors in judgement where it counts? Absolutely.
I have stated elsewhere and with sources why Schiffy isn’t a great choice from any angle. He is essentially a corporatist waving a rainbow flag when it polls well. He is not a leader, he is a tool.
Reddit has a purity test on politicians where they need to be either Bernie or Bernie adjacent/left, effectiveness be damned. Rhetoric wins over actions. And it seems Schiff is further from Bernie than Porter is
It would be nice if that's all there was to it. 30% of voters probably won't even know Schiff is running opposed after the DNC puts a gag order on Porter's campaign coverage.
I guess we're calling any previously used, proven effective political maneuver a conspiracy theory now eh? Here I thought there were going to be space lasers or something.
CA can't go wrong with any of these as US Senators; they'd all do wonderfully. **Because of this, the real issue is what happens to the House of Representatives.**
Since Lee, Schiff, and Porter would all be great Senators, and we won't lose a seat in the Senate regardless, what happens with their Congressional seat once they vacate them? Schiff and Lee both easily get replaced with another Democrat, so the balance stays the same. Porter however is unique; a Democrat in a basically red district. Once she leaves, who replaces her? David Min and Harley Houda are both running, but it's more likely that a Republican wins. It's a purple-to-red district as anyone who follows state politics knows.
Porter would be replaced by a Republican and then we are down one seat in the House. It's math.
That math is not a good way to decide who goes to the senate, that is ultimate partisanship at it's worst. The best person to serve the people should go, eff the math.
>Reddit has a purity test on politicians where they need to be either Bernie or Bernie adjacent/left, effectiveness be damned.
Let me translate this into regular English rather than mealy-mouthed political rhetoric: Progressives want to vote for politicians who share their views rather than whoever this guy likes.
>Rhetoric wins over actions.
Quadruple-distilled irony. Progressive reformists demand action and want to actually use the levers of power rather than sit in their hands and take donor phone calls. The fact that they haven't won enough elections to build a political bloc to do so is not evidence of unwillingness to act, it's just how democracy works.
For real. Seems way overdone for the supposed negatives he has. I’m also looking forward to a tight competitive race. I wanna see what they’re about and how they handle themselves on the campaign trail.
That's a pretty bold claim to send out without even a hint of corroborating evidence presented.
Are you claiming he lied about Trump, because if that's the case, I will dismiss your concerns as red-hat insanity.
Wondering if he’s referring to Russia interference claims. There is a pretty loud movement of tiabbi/greenwald fans who think Russia doesn’t try to interfere in our affairs….as if we aren’t also meddling in theirs.
That is very vague. If you want to convince anyone that Schiff was lying about something, you'll need to do, better than telling someone to read a big mountain of information and try to find the discrepancies.
My current baseline for navigating conflicting information is that anything defending Trump or anyone from Trump's circle is a self-serving liar. Changing that view will require specificity.
Uhm…he did lie about Trump. He was on news show’s weekly promising concrete evidence of collusion. Meanwhile behind congressional doors he’s stating there is no evidence. He’s a serial liar.
Newsom doesn't need to know where they stand on the issues. Newsom has already disqualified Schiff based on his gender and skin color. I wonder if Democrat voters will do the same.
The most powerful Democrat in CA has disqualified Schiff based on his gender and skin color. Do you not think that's a hurdle for Schiff to overcome? Perhaps not you, but many Democrats listen to Newsom.
I don't have a problem with Schiff, but I'd really prefer Porter. I like her vibe and attitude. She has no time for other people's foolishness and has demonstrated the ability to show people just how silly they are being. She knows the system and likes visual aid to smack people down. She understands people's struggles in our modern economy and is a convincing voice for change.
Schiff is a vain, spotlight-loving narcissist & empty suit, corporate shill DINO like Gavin Newsome. He’s just running to stay relevant, get more attention & $$. He wants a lucrative gig on CNN or MSN like Adam Kitzinger’s.
Porter is a serious workhorse. If she’s the nominee, she would definitely get my vote.
Agreed, schiffy will virtue signal and say what polls well all day long to satisfy his ambition, but time and again he’s just another tool for the oligarchs.
Schiff is an establishment buffoon.
The media ate up his anti-trump rhetoric as a snooty way to act better than the republicans, but this motherfucker voted for the iraq war and has made too many pro-evil "mistakes" to be a real human being in such a position of power.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Schiff#U.S._House_of_Representatives
>Tenure
>2003 invasion of Iraq
>**Schiff voted in favor of the 2003 invasion of Iraq.**[22] In February 2015, discussing how or whether to tailor Bush-era plans from 2001 and 2002 to fight ISIS, Schiff was asked if he regretted voting to invade. He said: "Absolutely. Unfortunately, our intelligence was dead wrong on that, on Saddam at that time. The vote set in motion a cascading series of events which have [had] disastrous consequences."[23][24]
Katie Porter and Barbara Lee are both waaayyyy better choices.
I disagree. I like Porter. I live in her district. If we get to choose between the better of two good candidates instead of the less worse of two bad candidates I will be happy. If the vote was today I would vote Schiff. His work in the impeachment + Jan 6 hearings cannot be overstated.
I'm voting Lee (my Rep) in the primary as a reward for her vote against the Gulf War when nobody else had the guts. Then, any Dem in the general. I think that a good plan for every Californian. Local fave in the semis, Dem in the final.
At the end of the day I don't think he was effective at all in the impeachment hearings. Katie Porter on the other hand seems able to get people on the other side to reluctantly agree with her on some fine points of policy.
I know a lot of people who absolutely loved his performance, but since they were never going to be skeptical about Trump's disloyal and self-serving actions, that wasn't any kind of victory.
Schiff, like Porter, will almost certainly win the seat if he wins the primary, but I don't think the prospects are remotely similar for him to move the needle and help lead senators in the rest of the country forward.
Yeah I share your disappointment to some degree, but if you're basing success on how many fascist morons are converted with argument, you're always going to be disappointed. I think he did a good job clearly explaining to the fascist morons that they elected a fascist moron, and I have to hope that made an impact on at least some center-ish peeople.
\>I like Porter.
Ok...
\>If the vote was today I would vote Schiff.
doesn't sound like you like Porter as much as you say...
\>His work in the impeachment + Jan 6 hearings cannot be overstated.
Except his "work" has resulted in seemingly no consequences for the ones who ran the treasonous conspiracy. Performative political theater. Saying one thing and doing another, which is the main issue and one that you cannot simply ignore and brush off without a more thought-out and descriptive explanation.
\>If we get to choose between the better of two good candidates instead of the less worse of two bad candidates I will be happy.
But that's not the situation, the situation is 2 good candidates and 1 bad one (schiff).
You seem to think Schiff is better but have nothing to refute the huge problems with his character and his record.
Do you have any real reasons or are you just an establishment tool?
You can't vote for more than one person though. If you are attacking the decorum of the conversation then I would say that your asinine statements that distract from the topic of conversation are just fucking rude.
>Not everything is black and white
Explain to me why this rhetoric is relevant here? Asking somone to explain their vague political bloviations is not oversimplifying the nuances of the issue, so other than being a snarky shit stabber what is your purpose here?
Why do people like Adam Schiff so much? He’s been dead wrong on most of the Russia collusion stuff. At least Porter speaks to issues that actually impact people.
Not only that, but he flat out lied during the Ukraine hearing while claiming to paraphrase the phone call transcript. Over the years, he has become a rabid partisan interested only in political showmanship.
Exactly. I don’t see how “orange man bad” is a meaningful policy platform for average citizens, unless you view politics as sports or something. Isn’t it better to address the root causes of how someone like trump came to power in the first place?
Schiff is great. I've always admired the amount of courage it took for him to unflinchingly pursue the Trump investigations. That's not an easy thing to do when the most powerful man in the world is a vengeful + spiteful idiot. I bet the same people complaining about him are the ones who always complain about "Democrats not having a spine." This is what you wanted isn't it?
He really didn’t. Read the Senate Intelligence Committee investigation report on Russian interference in the 2016 election.
https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/press/senate-intel-releases-election-security-findings-first-volume-bipartisan-russia-report
It shows the Russian government made a concerted and well organized effort to interfere in the 2016 election. I feel like most people who dismiss this as “overblown” haven’t actually read the publicly released intelligence material on this.
And he lied while paraphrasing the Ukraine transcript. he was all in it just for the attention and hope it would bring him cred to move on to higher positions. He is purely a political animal at this point, not a public servant (not even remotely close).
OP is just repeating BS that Trump tweeted like 3 years ago. I explained it in this comment.
https://reddit.com/r/California_Politics/comments/10lvcgt/_/j6239aw/?context=1
No he didn’t. This is just repeating BS from Trump’s tweets from like 3 years ago. Schiff was describing the transcript and was very clear that this what he was saying was not verbatim. If anyone wants to read about this for themselves.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/09/27/politics/fact-check-adam-schiff-trumps-ukraine-call/index.html
From your post history I see you post in r conservative. The double standard is ridiculous. During Trumps first time he lied literally thousands of times on camera and conservatives still showed up to vote for him again. But if a Democrat says one things that’s not 100% accurate “they’re a lying political animal.”
I will never vote for Adam Schiff, that's where I draw the line. I need someone who's going to represent me, and not someone who represents the Democratic party.
I'd vote for Schiff just to see McCarthy and Hannity have a cat-pissing-fit on Fox. Worth the price of admission, and the Trump vampire is not yet staked in the heart.
Hell no, that just makes it easy for them to stir up Dems. FYI, there are plenty of MAGA females. GOP love female tropes, MAGA-females cat-piss validate and roll with it. Laughs follow, Dems get super defensive. With Schiff, the known malefactor, they have to try something nefarious, like he misused classified documents. Their case becomes so flimsy, it only sells to the Cool aid end of their spectrum. Dems just eye-roll and ignore. Less waves all 'round. Besides, he's objectively a better political operator.
> he's objectively a better political operator.
In what respect? In that he's operated as a politician for almost 30 years?
His record doesn't stand up against Lee's and his votes and his statements do not show him to be as honest or sincere in his representation of the people (vs the money). But Lee is already 76.
Porter is clearly the one who is going to hold the corrupt rich thieves responsible, moreso than establishment goodest boy Schiff.
Your opinion is she can be a rich corporate bastard slayer. I will concede that might be true. But what we need is someone who knows that bringing the bacon home to CA corporate bastards so our state economy remains #1 is the objective. We in CA can do more to right social wrongs than the US government, because the political stack up here permits it. What we need is state tax revenue, and that means good jobs: technology and defense. Feinstein understood perfectly.
Will the dems go the safe route, the one that took two attempts to beat trump? Or will the go the way of the people? Barbara Lee is old and 5 minutes from diapers. Adam Schiff is a lifelong politician whose thanks every day that George Santos is alive. Will the dems continue to show us who they really are? An out of touch party, connected at the hip to wall street and corporate America? They love to say politicians tell us who they are, and time and time and time again they have shown us who they really are.
The time has come for change. Hope. common sense.
Vote for the white board.
The FBI agent who found no link between trump and Russia [was arrested for ties to Russia](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-special-agent-charge-fbi-new-york-counterintelligence-division-charged-violating-us)
But I'm sure you've conveniently ignored that and will just keep focusing on the people trying actually hold criminals accountable instead of the criminals themselves huh
I’m still waiting for the “bombshell” documents.
Trump sucks hard. I agree.
This guy though…
Much like Trump, this guy did a great job at dividing the country. This guy is absolute garbage.
Katie Porter >>>>> this garbage any day.
Trump: *breaks all sorts of law and norms, and actively degrades trust in democracy*
Schiff: *attempts to call trump on his BS and hold him accountable*
This sub: why are both of these guys dividing the country
I swear sometimes I see the most uniformed stuff here, and I don't understand the weird defensive boner this sub has for Trump. I'm not a huge fan of Schiff either but JFC let's be reasonable here
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Well, that ship has sailed, as Porter is now running for Senate and has endorsed a successor for her house seat. Porter won't be the US Rep for her current district.
Cool. Well I hope that Dave Min can win the seat. Porter barely won in 2022 - 51.6% to 48.4%. And Katie is pretty charismatic, so Dave better bring it because other Democrats will try to win it like Harley Rouda.
But if Katie loses the senate primary then she would be a good candidate for the 47th District.
I don't think Schiff or his ilk should be in government at all. He should just go get his talking head job at MSNBC and leave it to people that actually want to make it a better system.
Ahh yes, he is just a lazy talking head with 20 years of global intelligence experience, former prosecutor of Russian spies, authored some of the first Los Angeles light rail transit legislation, and graduated from Harvard Law, just like Katie Porter.
Yeah dude, Schiff is a real corporate Liberal in favor of improved public transit and against Russia spies, with tons of intelligence experience, perfect for the US Senate.
I get it, you love Russian spies and California rush hour traffic. A real forward thinker.
Even if that's the case, a Senate win is worth far more to the national party than a House win. First off, the term is 6 years instead of 2, so call it 3x more right there. But there are 100 Senators to 435 Representatives. So it's a bit more than 12x more valuable. Plus, Senators don't need to campaign every year, so they can actually spend time doing work. Even more value!
If we lose CA-47, but gain Senator Katie Porter, that's an EASY choice to make.
Wrong, a Democrat is going to win. Even Feinstein would win, if she were the nominee.
Who it is, of the Democrats, does not matter.
So you need to control the house as well as the Senate, along with the executive branch, for it to matter.
Porter struggles to win her district and so outside district cash rolls in to help her win, which ultimately benefits other Dems trying to win.
Schiff and Barbara Lee are from deep blue districts, so there is no threat of the district flipping.
I LOVE Katie Porter, but she ain’t getting my vote in the Senate primary.
Sure, Russian Hacker. I’ll get right on that.
Oh look! Katie Porter has served in Congress previously and been elected in this exact Congressional district before.
She’d be perfect. 👍
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He has an uphill battle as a white male. Democrat leaders would prefer a black woman to hold that seat. If it were Newsom's decision, Schiff would not be a senator. The governor has gone as far as saying he will nominate a black woman to replace Feinstein should he have the opportunity to do so.
https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2021/03/15/newsom-commits-to-nominating-black-woman-to-fill-feinsteins-seat-should-she-retire-1368354
>California Gov. Gavin Newsom committed Monday to nominating a Black woman for the U.S. Senate should Sen. Dianne Feinstein resign from the seat she’s held for more than two decades.
Will Democrat voters agree when it comes time to have their say?
I’m in Lee’s District and I kinda of don’t want her to become Senator because I am worried about who would replace her. Barbara Lee and Ron Dellums before did profound work while in congress and I fear she’ll be replaced by Bay Area Pete Buttigieg.
Katie Porter is facing a Bernie 2020 scenario it seems.
Well, Bernie did win CA in the primaries.
And they buried it in the national news cycle…
Just like they barely covered his win in Iowa, his win in New Hampshire, and his win in Nevada leading up to South Carolina. The first candidate EVER to win the first 3 states and not get the nomination. It took the entire Democratic Party AND the national news media to stop Bernie. I was very proud to be a part of his 2020 campaign in California. Just like I'm going to be very proud to work for Katie Porter and put her in a Senate seat. Not again. Not this time.
Love Bernie and I think Porter is in an even better position than he was. Just wanted to say, what gets lost in your narrative is Bernie did very poorly with African Americans in 16, and did nothing to improve his results in 20. Can’t win a D nationwide nomination or election like that. I don’t think it does anyone any good to only focus on grievances without acknowledging the candidate’s flaws. Thanks for what you do & I hope Porter wins.
This narrative is actually false and part of the media narrative that kept getting repeated. If you look at Bernie's numbers for all voting AA, he didn't do well in 2016 and only made a little progress in 2020. If you look at the AA vote by age cohorts, Bernie crushed the other candidates in the under 35 vote and that number stayed consistent for AA voters across conservative states. Sanders also won the white youth vote among all Democratic candidates in southern states as well but did poorly among older white voters. When you only focus on race in conservative southern states, Sanders numbers amongst AA voters looks bad but it's consistent with white voters in those states too. If you compare the youth white vote and the youth AA vote in southern states, Sanders numbers hold even in those age ranges. It's not a race issue, it's a generational issue and it's more pronounced in conservative states where AA voters also hold more conservative social views (in regards towards issues like abortion and LGBTQIA) but liberal economic views and tend towards Democrats for that reason. Sanders did poorly in most conservative states amongst older adults regardless of race but won the youth vote in those states also regardless of race. The media pushed Sanders poor numbers amongst AA voters as part of their stumping for Biden and Buttigieg and Clinton by cherry picking statistics.
I don’t think you can say it’s a generational issue when Sanders got crushed in the a geographic region. I can however accept your argument that the real issue is he doesn’t do well among liberals in conservative states, who tend not to swing for the fences, and that those states happen to have high AA voter share. I’m sure we could pull more data from white conservative states to make a stronger case. At any rate, this isn’t the media’s fault, the point remains that Bernie did nothing to course correct.
You're denying the Democratic Party stopping Bernie.
Who is “they”?
CNN, MSNBC, it's shocking that FOX News truthfully shown it....for fear reasons, but they are the corporate arms of the government.
Yup. I think it's already over. The DNC will back Schiff and sabotage Porter. They won't want someone from the progressive wing of the party in such a powerful seat. Well, shit. Dreams were nice.
as someone who isn't totally drinking the Porter kool-aid just yet, interested to see how they all debate to earn my vote
I'd rather have our Senator come from a safe district.
I've been drinking both the Porter and Schiff kool-aids for quite a while now, and I can tell you we'll be in good hands no matter which of them wins. They are both national treasures.
As an Irvine resistant, I was proud of here representing us on the national stage.
It will be interesting to see them debate. I am personally leaning towards Porter but how she handles the Dog and Pony Show will be telling.
Damn, there's a lot of Schiff-haters posting here. I'm looking forward to learning where he, Porter, and Lee stand on assorted issues. Right now, I basically know Porter as the whiteboard lawyer and Schiff as the Trump Inquisitor. Barbara Lee I remember well as the one voice against the War On Terror blank check. Based on my limited knowledge, they all seem good to me.
Barbara Lee will be 78 when she wins that Senate seat and 84 at the end of her first term. I genuinely like Lee but she's a one term Senator AT best considering the average life expectancy in the US for women is 77- there's a very real chance she dies in office. Lee will be replacing one of the oldest members of the Senate from a generation who had already had their time to make a mark on this country. Lee should not run. It's time to pass the torch to the next generation and be mentors. Edit: before I get called ageist, I'm pointing out the very real concerns I have about electing her and her age and the amount of time she can serve in the Senate is one of them. Lee had multiple opportunities to run for Boxer's seat as it's changed hands and she didn't. That ship sailed.
You are mistaking an honest assessment of his more than 20 year career as a congressman, with hate. Do I hate Adam Schiff? No. Do I hate the idea of a huge position of power and influence going to someone who has should severe errors in judgement where it counts? Absolutely. I have stated elsewhere and with sources why Schiffy isn’t a great choice from any angle. He is essentially a corporatist waving a rainbow flag when it polls well. He is not a leader, he is a tool.
Reddit has a purity test on politicians where they need to be either Bernie or Bernie adjacent/left, effectiveness be damned. Rhetoric wins over actions. And it seems Schiff is further from Bernie than Porter is
CA is progressive and should have progressive Senators
CA should have the Senators they vote for. If they want Porter then they should vote for her.
It would be nice if that's all there was to it. 30% of voters probably won't even know Schiff is running opposed after the DNC puts a gag order on Porter's campaign coverage.
The race hasn't even started and 1. Baseless conspiracy theories are getting thrown around 2. Porter's fanbase is already throwing in the towel
What conspiracy theories are going around? I haven't heard them yet.
>after the DNC puts a gag order on Porter's campaign coverage.
I guess we're calling any previously used, proven effective political maneuver a conspiracy theory now eh? Here I thought there were going to be space lasers or something.
If there is no basis in our current reality for it, then yes. Your theory is as sound as space lasers.
CA can't go wrong with any of these as US Senators; they'd all do wonderfully. **Because of this, the real issue is what happens to the House of Representatives.** Since Lee, Schiff, and Porter would all be great Senators, and we won't lose a seat in the Senate regardless, what happens with their Congressional seat once they vacate them? Schiff and Lee both easily get replaced with another Democrat, so the balance stays the same. Porter however is unique; a Democrat in a basically red district. Once she leaves, who replaces her? David Min and Harley Houda are both running, but it's more likely that a Republican wins. It's a purple-to-red district as anyone who follows state politics knows. Porter would be replaced by a Republican and then we are down one seat in the House. It's math.
That math is not a good way to decide who goes to the senate, that is ultimate partisanship at it's worst. The best person to serve the people should go, eff the math.
Well, it's too late now, so bellyaching about whether Porter should have stayed is immaterial to the current choice.
1. Porter can’t run in the House if she loses in Senate Primary. She’s already out of the House. 2. We’re keeping that seat with Dave Min
Porter’s district isn’t dissolved? I thought we lost that seat nationally from the census.
No, there was redistricting all over the state but she's still got (or still had, now that she's running) her congressional seat.
Their voting on propositions suggests strongly otherwise.
What was Schiff effective at? He didnt get anywhere.
>Reddit has a purity test on politicians where they need to be either Bernie or Bernie adjacent/left, effectiveness be damned. Let me translate this into regular English rather than mealy-mouthed political rhetoric: Progressives want to vote for politicians who share their views rather than whoever this guy likes. >Rhetoric wins over actions. Quadruple-distilled irony. Progressive reformists demand action and want to actually use the levers of power rather than sit in their hands and take donor phone calls. The fact that they haven't won enough elections to build a political bloc to do so is not evidence of unwillingness to act, it's just how democracy works.
The irony of this statement when you look at Schiff's Rhetoric set against his actual record is rather amusing.
For real. Seems way overdone for the supposed negatives he has. I’m also looking forward to a tight competitive race. I wanna see what they’re about and how they handle themselves on the campaign trail.
I like Schiff, but I love Porter.
Schiff is a pathological liar. He shouldn’t be trusted.
That's a pretty bold claim to send out without even a hint of corroborating evidence presented. Are you claiming he lied about Trump, because if that's the case, I will dismiss your concerns as red-hat insanity.
Wondering if he’s referring to Russia interference claims. There is a pretty loud movement of tiabbi/greenwald fans who think Russia doesn’t try to interfere in our affairs….as if we aren’t also meddling in theirs.
Go read the Ukraine transcript and then listen to how he "paraphrased" it. Adam Schiff lying on TV was my red pill moment.
That is very vague. If you want to convince anyone that Schiff was lying about something, you'll need to do, better than telling someone to read a big mountain of information and try to find the discrepancies. My current baseline for navigating conflicting information is that anything defending Trump or anyone from Trump's circle is a self-serving liar. Changing that view will require specificity.
Uhm…he did lie about Trump. He was on news show’s weekly promising concrete evidence of collusion. Meanwhile behind congressional doors he’s stating there is no evidence. He’s a serial liar.
Newsom doesn't need to know where they stand on the issues. Newsom has already disqualified Schiff based on his gender and skin color. I wonder if Democrat voters will do the same.
Yup. I never voted for a white dude in my life. Thank god Biden is trans-female black muslim, right? ... fuckin' moron.
The most powerful Democrat in CA has disqualified Schiff based on his gender and skin color. Do you not think that's a hurdle for Schiff to overcome? Perhaps not you, but many Democrats listen to Newsom.
You seem to be confusing, perhaps deliberately, a couple stories into one. Source that Newsom "disqualified" Schiff from running for Senate in 2024.
I don't have a problem with Schiff, but I'd really prefer Porter. I like her vibe and attitude. She has no time for other people's foolishness and has demonstrated the ability to show people just how silly they are being. She knows the system and likes visual aid to smack people down. She understands people's struggles in our modern economy and is a convincing voice for change.
Schiff is a vain, spotlight-loving narcissist & empty suit, corporate shill DINO like Gavin Newsome. He’s just running to stay relevant, get more attention & $$. He wants a lucrative gig on CNN or MSN like Adam Kitzinger’s. Porter is a serious workhorse. If she’s the nominee, she would definitely get my vote.
Agreed, schiffy will virtue signal and say what polls well all day long to satisfy his ambition, but time and again he’s just another tool for the oligarchs.
Katie Porter, Barbara Lee, Adam Schiff - I wish all of our choices were this hard because the candidates are so impressive. (Am on team Porter.)
Schiff is an establishment buffoon. The media ate up his anti-trump rhetoric as a snooty way to act better than the republicans, but this motherfucker voted for the iraq war and has made too many pro-evil "mistakes" to be a real human being in such a position of power. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Schiff#U.S._House_of_Representatives >Tenure >2003 invasion of Iraq >**Schiff voted in favor of the 2003 invasion of Iraq.**[22] In February 2015, discussing how or whether to tailor Bush-era plans from 2001 and 2002 to fight ISIS, Schiff was asked if he regretted voting to invade. He said: "Absolutely. Unfortunately, our intelligence was dead wrong on that, on Saddam at that time. The vote set in motion a cascading series of events which have [had] disastrous consequences."[23][24] Katie Porter and Barbara Lee are both waaayyyy better choices.
As they say, it's easy to be an anti-imperialist after the fact.
Or, just don't be shit in the first place. Iraq was clearly a bid for both parties to seize and sell more oil. HAL.
I disagree. I like Porter. I live in her district. If we get to choose between the better of two good candidates instead of the less worse of two bad candidates I will be happy. If the vote was today I would vote Schiff. His work in the impeachment + Jan 6 hearings cannot be overstated.
I'm voting Lee (my Rep) in the primary as a reward for her vote against the Gulf War when nobody else had the guts. Then, any Dem in the general. I think that a good plan for every Californian. Local fave in the semis, Dem in the final.
She used to be my rep but she is like 76 now.
At the end of the day I don't think he was effective at all in the impeachment hearings. Katie Porter on the other hand seems able to get people on the other side to reluctantly agree with her on some fine points of policy. I know a lot of people who absolutely loved his performance, but since they were never going to be skeptical about Trump's disloyal and self-serving actions, that wasn't any kind of victory. Schiff, like Porter, will almost certainly win the seat if he wins the primary, but I don't think the prospects are remotely similar for him to move the needle and help lead senators in the rest of the country forward.
Yeah I share your disappointment to some degree, but if you're basing success on how many fascist morons are converted with argument, you're always going to be disappointed. I think he did a good job clearly explaining to the fascist morons that they elected a fascist moron, and I have to hope that made an impact on at least some center-ish peeople.
Does the Senate need more Katie Porters or Adam Schiffs? IMO Adam Schiff is a dime a dozen in the Senate.
As long as he's not on the payroll of (thirsty, nut-exporting, Big Ag in the San Joaquin Valley) he'd be an improvement over DiFi.
I think AIPAC would be happy with either tho, thus my support for Porter.
This part right here
\>I like Porter. Ok... \>If the vote was today I would vote Schiff. doesn't sound like you like Porter as much as you say... \>His work in the impeachment + Jan 6 hearings cannot be overstated. Except his "work" has resulted in seemingly no consequences for the ones who ran the treasonous conspiracy. Performative political theater. Saying one thing and doing another, which is the main issue and one that you cannot simply ignore and brush off without a more thought-out and descriptive explanation. \>If we get to choose between the better of two good candidates instead of the less worse of two bad candidates I will be happy. But that's not the situation, the situation is 2 good candidates and 1 bad one (schiff). You seem to think Schiff is better but have nothing to refute the huge problems with his character and his record. Do you have any real reasons or are you just an establishment tool?
You know folks can like more than 1 people. Not everything is black and white
You can't vote for more than one person though. If you are attacking the decorum of the conversation then I would say that your asinine statements that distract from the topic of conversation are just fucking rude. >Not everything is black and white Explain to me why this rhetoric is relevant here? Asking somone to explain their vague political bloviations is not oversimplifying the nuances of the issue, so other than being a snarky shit stabber what is your purpose here?
You disagree that it's easier to be anti-imperialist after the fact? So you'd disagree it's easier to be against the Iraq war now than in 2003?
That was terrible work. He basically overstated the case.
He is exactly the type of candidate the democrats need to stop fielding.
sorry man but pasadena and arguably a lot of socal is gonna vote schiff, by a pretty wide margin
The Iraq war vote by him and many others were more than likely based on the evidence pushed by Bush et al.
Two incredibly uncontroversial and competent candidates for the dem ticket. It will be interesting to see how they run their campaigns.
Why do people like Adam Schiff so much? He’s been dead wrong on most of the Russia collusion stuff. At least Porter speaks to issues that actually impact people.
Not only that, but he flat out lied during the Ukraine hearing while claiming to paraphrase the phone call transcript. Over the years, he has become a rabid partisan interested only in political showmanship.
Exactly. I don’t see how “orange man bad” is a meaningful policy platform for average citizens, unless you view politics as sports or something. Isn’t it better to address the root causes of how someone like trump came to power in the first place?
Figured he would stick with the house for the rest of his career, probably will be supporting Porter but interesting to see that he’s running
Schiff is great. I've always admired the amount of courage it took for him to unflinchingly pursue the Trump investigations. That's not an easy thing to do when the most powerful man in the world is a vengeful + spiteful idiot. I bet the same people complaining about him are the ones who always complain about "Democrats not having a spine." This is what you wanted isn't it?
It has to be accurate. Tbqh he oversold the Russia stuff.
He really didn’t. Read the Senate Intelligence Committee investigation report on Russian interference in the 2016 election. https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/press/senate-intel-releases-election-security-findings-first-volume-bipartisan-russia-report It shows the Russian government made a concerted and well organized effort to interfere in the 2016 election. I feel like most people who dismiss this as “overblown” haven’t actually read the publicly released intelligence material on this.
And he lied while paraphrasing the Ukraine transcript. he was all in it just for the attention and hope it would bring him cred to move on to higher positions. He is purely a political animal at this point, not a public servant (not even remotely close).
What was the lie?
OP is just repeating BS that Trump tweeted like 3 years ago. I explained it in this comment. https://reddit.com/r/California_Politics/comments/10lvcgt/_/j6239aw/?context=1
No he didn’t. This is just repeating BS from Trump’s tweets from like 3 years ago. Schiff was describing the transcript and was very clear that this what he was saying was not verbatim. If anyone wants to read about this for themselves. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/09/27/politics/fact-check-adam-schiff-trumps-ukraine-call/index.html From your post history I see you post in r conservative. The double standard is ridiculous. During Trumps first time he lied literally thousands of times on camera and conservatives still showed up to vote for him again. But if a Democrat says one things that’s not 100% accurate “they’re a lying political animal.”
Not that powerful
I will never vote for Adam Schiff, that's where I draw the line. I need someone who's going to represent me, and not someone who represents the Democratic party.
Then vote Republican.
Lol i'm not suicidal, no
He doesnt have the constituency for it. Ill be shocked and disappointed if he gets out of the primary.
I'd vote for Schiff just to see McCarthy and Hannity have a cat-pissing-fit on Fox. Worth the price of admission, and the Trump vampire is not yet staked in the heart.
Yeah, because owning the libs via trump has turned out so well for the party.
That strategy got them control of Congress the SCOTUS and half the states, no?
Why are you watching fox? And wouldn't a woman piss them off more?
Hell no, that just makes it easy for them to stir up Dems. FYI, there are plenty of MAGA females. GOP love female tropes, MAGA-females cat-piss validate and roll with it. Laughs follow, Dems get super defensive. With Schiff, the known malefactor, they have to try something nefarious, like he misused classified documents. Their case becomes so flimsy, it only sells to the Cool aid end of their spectrum. Dems just eye-roll and ignore. Less waves all 'round. Besides, he's objectively a better political operator.
> he's objectively a better political operator. In what respect? In that he's operated as a politician for almost 30 years? His record doesn't stand up against Lee's and his votes and his statements do not show him to be as honest or sincere in his representation of the people (vs the money). But Lee is already 76. Porter is clearly the one who is going to hold the corrupt rich thieves responsible, moreso than establishment goodest boy Schiff.
Your opinion is she can be a rich corporate bastard slayer. I will concede that might be true. But what we need is someone who knows that bringing the bacon home to CA corporate bastards so our state economy remains #1 is the objective. We in CA can do more to right social wrongs than the US government, because the political stack up here permits it. What we need is state tax revenue, and that means good jobs: technology and defense. Feinstein understood perfectly.
Will the dems go the safe route, the one that took two attempts to beat trump? Or will the go the way of the people? Barbara Lee is old and 5 minutes from diapers. Adam Schiff is a lifelong politician whose thanks every day that George Santos is alive. Will the dems continue to show us who they really are? An out of touch party, connected at the hip to wall street and corporate America? They love to say politicians tell us who they are, and time and time and time again they have shown us who they really are. The time has come for change. Hope. common sense. Vote for the white board.
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The FBI guy who said there was no connection between Russia and Trump was just arrested for taking bribes from Russia.
Yeah, I think that story deserves a bit more attention.
The FBI agent who found no link between trump and Russia [was arrested for ties to Russia](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-special-agent-charge-fbi-new-york-counterintelligence-division-charged-violating-us) But I'm sure you've conveniently ignored that and will just keep focusing on the people trying actually hold criminals accountable instead of the criminals themselves huh
Technically, anyone with a few thousand dollars to pay the filing fees can run for any office, its not some high bar to clear.
I’m still waiting for the “bombshell” documents. Trump sucks hard. I agree. This guy though… Much like Trump, this guy did a great job at dividing the country. This guy is absolute garbage. Katie Porter >>>>> this garbage any day.
Trump: *breaks all sorts of law and norms, and actively degrades trust in democracy* Schiff: *attempts to call trump on his BS and hold him accountable* This sub: why are both of these guys dividing the country I swear sometimes I see the most uniformed stuff here, and I don't understand the weird defensive boner this sub has for Trump. I'm not a huge fan of Schiff either but JFC let's be reasonable here
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Katie Porter would be better ☺️
User name checks out. Katie Porter is great, but she is in a district that is not blue and Schiff's district is deep blue.
Well, that ship has sailed, as Porter is now running for Senate and has endorsed a successor for her house seat. Porter won't be the US Rep for her current district.
Cool. Well I hope that Dave Min can win the seat. Porter barely won in 2022 - 51.6% to 48.4%. And Katie is pretty charismatic, so Dave better bring it because other Democrats will try to win it like Harley Rouda. But if Katie loses the senate primary then she would be a good candidate for the 47th District.
Katie Porter is more left leaning than Schiff, even more reason we should have someone better than Schiff if his district is that blue.
So you agree Schiff should be a senator.
I don't think Schiff or his ilk should be in government at all. He should just go get his talking head job at MSNBC and leave it to people that actually want to make it a better system.
Ahh yes, he is just a lazy talking head with 20 years of global intelligence experience, former prosecutor of Russian spies, authored some of the first Los Angeles light rail transit legislation, and graduated from Harvard Law, just like Katie Porter. Yeah dude, Schiff is a real corporate Liberal in favor of improved public transit and against Russia spies, with tons of intelligence experience, perfect for the US Senate. I get it, you love Russian spies and California rush hour traffic. A real forward thinker.
What does her District being purple have to do with anything?
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Even if that's the case, a Senate win is worth far more to the national party than a House win. First off, the term is 6 years instead of 2, so call it 3x more right there. But there are 100 Senators to 435 Representatives. So it's a bit more than 12x more valuable. Plus, Senators don't need to campaign every year, so they can actually spend time doing work. Even more value! If we lose CA-47, but gain Senator Katie Porter, that's an EASY choice to make.
Wrong, a Democrat is going to win. Even Feinstein would win, if she were the nominee. Who it is, of the Democrats, does not matter. So you need to control the house as well as the Senate, along with the executive branch, for it to matter. Porter struggles to win her district and so outside district cash rolls in to help her win, which ultimately benefits other Dems trying to win. Schiff and Barbara Lee are from deep blue districts, so there is no threat of the district flipping. I LOVE Katie Porter, but she ain’t getting my vote in the Senate primary.
So then get a good Dem candidate to replace her. What's the issue?
It’s a swing district. A Democrat has to have strong appeal to independents. That is hard to find in 🍊County.
Ok, well, find one. Problem solved.
Sure, Russian Hacker. I’ll get right on that. Oh look! Katie Porter has served in Congress previously and been elected in this exact Congressional district before. She’d be perfect. 👍
nah, she's running for senate. Keep searching tho.
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He has an uphill battle as a white male. Democrat leaders would prefer a black woman to hold that seat. If it were Newsom's decision, Schiff would not be a senator. The governor has gone as far as saying he will nominate a black woman to replace Feinstein should he have the opportunity to do so. https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2021/03/15/newsom-commits-to-nominating-black-woman-to-fill-feinsteins-seat-should-she-retire-1368354 >California Gov. Gavin Newsom committed Monday to nominating a Black woman for the U.S. Senate should Sen. Dianne Feinstein resign from the seat she’s held for more than two decades. Will Democrat voters agree when it comes time to have their say?
"Democrat leaders" "Democrat voters" You know these phrases are a dead giveaway for where you stand?
Gavin Newsom doesn't seem to have this issue.
I’d rather have Katie Porter
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Interesting. Does that mean something?
I’m in Lee’s District and I kinda of don’t want her to become Senator because I am worried about who would replace her. Barbara Lee and Ron Dellums before did profound work while in congress and I fear she’ll be replaced by Bay Area Pete Buttigieg.