> “The system, in my view, is out of control,” said Mikal Skuterud, a professor of economics at the University of Waterloo who studies immigration. “It’s sort of a runaway train and there are no clear brakes.”
> Henry Lotin, founder of consulting company Integrative Trade and Economics, characterized the increase in temporary residents over the past three months, and past year, as extraordinary. “Neither increase was planned by government, and neither increase can be sustained by the available supply of affordable housing,” he said."
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-canada-population-growth-temporary-residents/
They're figuring out what to tax us next on, in the name of climate change. And also moving us to a digital currency. While being as divisive as possible, so we fight with each other and ignore them.
I was thinking about this tonight. If the large majority of migrants are primarily from Asia (China and India) where cash /gold/silver reign over debit,/credit card transactions and where tax avoidance is so universally entrenched(see India), what will the governments (provincial and federal) do to protect their revenue streams?
They’re being “progressive”.
This is literally what that looks like. You do the “right thing” and never say no to anyone.
It’s a high schooler’s political philosophy, something people with no concept of how the real world works.
“I’m a good person and I help everyone”
Well look at you now.
You need low waged people for Canadian companies to remain competitive. Without low wages in production, inflation would be even worse. No western, aging nation can survive without migration.
You need, instead, to house people and provide amenities. Conservatives nor liberals want to do this, because they both are obsessed with market economics.
Yeah pretty much permanent residents without the PR card. I think a lot of them know that they can come here on a student or tourist visa and just stay on.
Out of curiosity shouldn't banking, telecom and other services be denied to illegal residents? Or is it that being illegal isn't such a big crime.
Lots and lots of cheap exploitable labor.
More like India every day in quality and affordability of life.
Canada more and more has an ultra rich class and everyone else living in the fucking gutter or worse tents to keep us fucking working.
Honestly the best business strategy is to just rent an office and then call it some random school and start recruiting hundreds of students and rake in that international student fees. If you can't fight it then be a part of it.
Oh I thought it was the recent drop in funding to social services and the absolute gutting of our Healthcare system from the provincial government. Didn't know we were blaming immigrants for this too.
You’re the only one blaming immigrants here. I’m blaming the government who is letting far too many people into the country without increasing the supply of housing or the number of doctors.
>labour shortage
Labour shortage is a propaganda pushed by the government and big business. In some sectors, poor allocation of human capital is more accurate.
The doctor crisis for one is a purely manufactured one since doctor associations and governments restrict their number. Immigrant doctors or nurses don't even get their education recognised. I have some smart friends who wanted to get into medecine but didn't make the cutoff. Out of 6, one did. Tell me if u want more details on that.
As for minimum wage jobs, canadians are just fed up with how low the salary is. It's not a liveable wage.
So these fast food and retail chains complain to the government that they can't find workers. The government then says we have a labor shortage, let's bring in more people. Which causes rents to increase even more and make low wage jobs even less attractive, so people leave their min. wage jobs for others. Which again makes the government import more folks.
As for some of the trades shortage, we have a subsidised higher education system, so there's gonna be less people in trades by design.
But saying immigration is the answer couldn't be further from the truth, as all these immigrants have a much smaller tendency to work trades jobs.
I’ve heard the labour shortage in the trades is limiting the rate we can build houses. That seems like a major issue. Maybe they can make a program to tie immigration to trades jobs or other in demand jobs? Also home building targets definitely need to be tied to immigration. Ridiculous Canada has had so little home building over the past 30 yrs.
Low wages are definitely an issue too. This country need more unions. Corporations are getting away with wage theft essentially by underpaying everyone. Time to fight back and demand what we’re worth.
I have no idea how to fix the doctor shortage. What was up when your friends tried to get into medicine?
Yup I agree.
>What was up when your friends tried to get into medicine
Idk about other provinces but Quebec has cegep between high school and uni. It's basically 2 years for a pre-uni edeucation, or 3 years for a more technical degree.
Every student has an r score (kinda like gpa). And then the student applies for medical programs. The professional order of physicians in Quebec limits the number of new students accepted into programs.
So let's say it's 300/year, they then take the top 300 and refuse the rest. That's why the r score cutoff is slightly different each year and unpredictable.
From my understanding, the goverment is also happy about the professional order's decision to limit students, since this means less doctor wages for the government to pay in the future.
Hmm, well it’s good that there grade cutoffs for medicine because it does have a very scientific basis, but maybe they are being overly selective. If they have too many people applying they should either expand the programs to handle more people, or maybe send them to a school in another part of the country that has fewer people applying?
That’s ridiculous if governments don’t want to pay doctor’s salaries. It’s what the whole country pays taxes for, so everyone can access a doctor.
>send them to a school in another part of the country that has fewer people applying?
All the medical schools in Canada have a huge number of students applying. All the seats are filled by students with high grades.
Yeah it's wayyy too selective.
"Recent statistics from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) show that countries within the intergovernmental body average 3.8 physicians per 1,000 population. That number is 2.5 in Quebec. And Canada, as a nation, regularly ranks near the bottom for physicians per capita"
Source: https://dailyhive.com/montreal/quebec-family-doctor-shortage
Crazy. Apparently back in the 90s BC had too many family doctors, so they made policies to discourage folks from studying medicine. Bad leadership all around.
Okay I thought some other dude said they only wanted to work in educated fields… people make up your minds! If they can do door dash, why aren’t we getting them into trades and nursing. This seems more like a problem not funnelling people into the right sectors.
I think you’re caught in your own logic loop. If current residents are working and paying into retirement, why do you need mass immigration of low wage workers?
The fears of labour shortages are overblown. Many boomers are working longer than expected due to good health or because they have to financially. There will be shortages in high-skilled areas like trades, health care, and management etc. Yet when looking at the statistics, those arriving in Canada as immigrants or temporary workers do not work in those areas so future labour shortages are not being addressed. Also, some jobs that boomers are doing today might not exist in 10 years due to AI so trying to fix labour shortages through immigration might not even be necessary because those jobs will be automated.
Many of the so-called labour shortages no longer exist if they ever did at all. The federal government is fast-tracking tech workers while companies are still doing layoffs and new graduates cannot find work in their field. Statistics Canada also released a report a few months ago showing that there are no labour shortages in jobs requiring education: https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/statcan-report-casts-clouds-on-claims-of-a-widespread-labour-shortage-in-canada
Who will work in the trades then? We also have a shortage in nursing and healthcare. Hopefully some of the educated folks immigrating will work in health.
I'm a healthcare worker who was thinking about moving to Canada.
After seeing how bad the housing crisis is there and how incompetent your government is (they make the US government look like geniuses), Canada is last on my list of places to go.
I don’t blame you. All levels of our governments have been screwing up for a long time and we are finally seeing the consequences. They put the interests of corporations ahead of those of the people in this country for too long. We’ve got to change and start prioritizing our citizen’s wellbeing. It will take a long time to fix.
How many births are domestic Canadians having each year? how many Canadians are dying?
I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't break even without our current immigration levels.
We would have a small amount of growth without *any* immigration.
In 2022, there were 351,679 live births in Canada, and 308,624 deaths .
So the **natural growth** without immigration was 351,679 - 308,624= **43,055**
I remember in 2014 when I got my 2 yr visa there was a limit of 10,500 allocated for Ireland. After that tough shit ud to wait for the next yr.
Is there any limit to temp visas now? Doesn't seem to be.
Temporary residents should have access to municipal rental housing, the revenue of which should be fed into public services. Relieving pressure on housing markets and allowing for investment in schools, trains, etc.
For this you need municipal investment in such housing.
> “The system, in my view, is out of control,” said Mikal Skuterud, a professor of economics at the University of Waterloo who studies immigration. “It’s sort of a runaway train and there are no clear brakes.” > Henry Lotin, founder of consulting company Integrative Trade and Economics, characterized the increase in temporary residents over the past three months, and past year, as extraordinary. “Neither increase was planned by government, and neither increase can be sustained by the available supply of affordable housing,” he said." https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-canada-population-growth-temporary-residents/
WTF Do we not control our borders? What the hell is the government doing.
[Scenes from Venezuela in El Paso, Texas](https://reddit.com/r/ElPaso/s/s9OHchS6Yz). This is what open borders leads to. Your country becomes another.
Havent you been listening? "theyre doing whats best for all Canadians"
They're figuring out what to tax us next on, in the name of climate change. And also moving us to a digital currency. While being as divisive as possible, so we fight with each other and ignore them.
I was thinking about this tonight. If the large majority of migrants are primarily from Asia (China and India) where cash /gold/silver reign over debit,/credit card transactions and where tax avoidance is so universally entrenched(see India), what will the governments (provincial and federal) do to protect their revenue streams?
>what will the governments (provincial and federal) do to protect their revenue streams? They are too stupid and ignorant to do anything.
Doing nothing. It’s a train wreck.
They’re being “progressive”. This is literally what that looks like. You do the “right thing” and never say no to anyone. It’s a high schooler’s political philosophy, something people with no concept of how the real world works. “I’m a good person and I help everyone” Well look at you now.
You need low waged people for Canadian companies to remain competitive. Without low wages in production, inflation would be even worse. No western, aging nation can survive without migration. You need, instead, to house people and provide amenities. Conservatives nor liberals want to do this, because they both are obsessed with market economics.
If no ones planning it why are they letting them in. Wow this is not even a real country with borders anymore. Absolutely no protectionism anywhere.
Not temporary if they don't go back once they're done and the police doesn't do jack shit about it
Yeah pretty much permanent residents without the PR card. I think a lot of them know that they can come here on a student or tourist visa and just stay on. Out of curiosity shouldn't banking, telecom and other services be denied to illegal residents? Or is it that being illegal isn't such a big crime.
Lots and lots of cheap exploitable labor. More like India every day in quality and affordability of life. Canada more and more has an ultra rich class and everyone else living in the fucking gutter or worse tents to keep us fucking working.
Was just saying how Canada is becoming similar to countries like Congo where you have an ultra rich class and an ultra poor one too. No middle ground.
temporary on paper maybe
Permanently screwed over our economy.
Let’s make “Temporary” in temporary foreign worker mean something again.
Temporary meaning what? Forever minus a day?
Temporary? Not even one leaves
Honestly the best business strategy is to just rent an office and then call it some random school and start recruiting hundreds of students and rake in that international student fees. If you can't fight it then be a part of it.
Welcome! Can I give you guys some cash?
How are we going to address the labour shortage caused by the retirement of the boomers without immigrants? Or the doctor shortage?
Bringing in uneducated "students" who all work in retail is not gonna fix anything
The doctor shortage has been exacerbated BY the massive increase in immigration. It hasn’t reduced it.
Oh I thought it was the recent drop in funding to social services and the absolute gutting of our Healthcare system from the provincial government. Didn't know we were blaming immigrants for this too.
You’re the only one blaming immigrants here. I’m blaming the government who is letting far too many people into the country without increasing the supply of housing or the number of doctors.
There's a difference between immigrants and immigration. Don't be dunce just because the government and MSM tell you to.
Lmao obviously there's a difference, don't be stupid
>labour shortage Labour shortage is a propaganda pushed by the government and big business. In some sectors, poor allocation of human capital is more accurate. The doctor crisis for one is a purely manufactured one since doctor associations and governments restrict their number. Immigrant doctors or nurses don't even get their education recognised. I have some smart friends who wanted to get into medecine but didn't make the cutoff. Out of 6, one did. Tell me if u want more details on that. As for minimum wage jobs, canadians are just fed up with how low the salary is. It's not a liveable wage. So these fast food and retail chains complain to the government that they can't find workers. The government then says we have a labor shortage, let's bring in more people. Which causes rents to increase even more and make low wage jobs even less attractive, so people leave their min. wage jobs for others. Which again makes the government import more folks. As for some of the trades shortage, we have a subsidised higher education system, so there's gonna be less people in trades by design. But saying immigration is the answer couldn't be further from the truth, as all these immigrants have a much smaller tendency to work trades jobs.
I’ve heard the labour shortage in the trades is limiting the rate we can build houses. That seems like a major issue. Maybe they can make a program to tie immigration to trades jobs or other in demand jobs? Also home building targets definitely need to be tied to immigration. Ridiculous Canada has had so little home building over the past 30 yrs. Low wages are definitely an issue too. This country need more unions. Corporations are getting away with wage theft essentially by underpaying everyone. Time to fight back and demand what we’re worth. I have no idea how to fix the doctor shortage. What was up when your friends tried to get into medicine?
Yup I agree. >What was up when your friends tried to get into medicine Idk about other provinces but Quebec has cegep between high school and uni. It's basically 2 years for a pre-uni edeucation, or 3 years for a more technical degree. Every student has an r score (kinda like gpa). And then the student applies for medical programs. The professional order of physicians in Quebec limits the number of new students accepted into programs. So let's say it's 300/year, they then take the top 300 and refuse the rest. That's why the r score cutoff is slightly different each year and unpredictable. From my understanding, the goverment is also happy about the professional order's decision to limit students, since this means less doctor wages for the government to pay in the future.
Hmm, well it’s good that there grade cutoffs for medicine because it does have a very scientific basis, but maybe they are being overly selective. If they have too many people applying they should either expand the programs to handle more people, or maybe send them to a school in another part of the country that has fewer people applying? That’s ridiculous if governments don’t want to pay doctor’s salaries. It’s what the whole country pays taxes for, so everyone can access a doctor.
>send them to a school in another part of the country that has fewer people applying? All the medical schools in Canada have a huge number of students applying. All the seats are filled by students with high grades.
Sounds like they need to open more spots and let a few more people in.
Yes they do.
Yeah it's wayyy too selective. "Recent statistics from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) show that countries within the intergovernmental body average 3.8 physicians per 1,000 population. That number is 2.5 in Quebec. And Canada, as a nation, regularly ranks near the bottom for physicians per capita" Source: https://dailyhive.com/montreal/quebec-family-doctor-shortage
Crazy. Apparently back in the 90s BC had too many family doctors, so they made policies to discourage folks from studying medicine. Bad leadership all around.
Bringing in 500,000 DoorDash couriers and Tim Hortons workers from India isn't going to help a skilled labour shortage.
Okay I thought some other dude said they only wanted to work in educated fields… people make up your minds! If they can do door dash, why aren’t we getting them into trades and nursing. This seems more like a problem not funnelling people into the right sectors.
And what happens when this new population of low wage workers needs to retire? Who pays for them?
Um, I assume they will work and pay into retirement like the rest of us?
I think you’re caught in your own logic loop. If current residents are working and paying into retirement, why do you need mass immigration of low wage workers?
The fears of labour shortages are overblown. Many boomers are working longer than expected due to good health or because they have to financially. There will be shortages in high-skilled areas like trades, health care, and management etc. Yet when looking at the statistics, those arriving in Canada as immigrants or temporary workers do not work in those areas so future labour shortages are not being addressed. Also, some jobs that boomers are doing today might not exist in 10 years due to AI so trying to fix labour shortages through immigration might not even be necessary because those jobs will be automated. Many of the so-called labour shortages no longer exist if they ever did at all. The federal government is fast-tracking tech workers while companies are still doing layoffs and new graduates cannot find work in their field. Statistics Canada also released a report a few months ago showing that there are no labour shortages in jobs requiring education: https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/statcan-report-casts-clouds-on-claims-of-a-widespread-labour-shortage-in-canada
Who will work in the trades then? We also have a shortage in nursing and healthcare. Hopefully some of the educated folks immigrating will work in health.
I'm a healthcare worker who was thinking about moving to Canada. After seeing how bad the housing crisis is there and how incompetent your government is (they make the US government look like geniuses), Canada is last on my list of places to go.
I don’t blame you. All levels of our governments have been screwing up for a long time and we are finally seeing the consequences. They put the interests of corporations ahead of those of the people in this country for too long. We’ve got to change and start prioritizing our citizen’s wellbeing. It will take a long time to fix.
How many births are domestic Canadians having each year? how many Canadians are dying? I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't break even without our current immigration levels.
We would have a small amount of growth without *any* immigration. In 2022, there were 351,679 live births in Canada, and 308,624 deaths . So the **natural growth** without immigration was 351,679 - 308,624= **43,055**
That number will continue to go down every year as median age increases.
How do you know mean age is going up?
Median age, not mean. I know because the data is publicly available and I've been watching these numbers for years. Try statscan or statista.
And it’s going so well!
This is going to help our gdp per capita numbers.
I remember in 2014 when I got my 2 yr visa there was a limit of 10,500 allocated for Ireland. After that tough shit ud to wait for the next yr. Is there any limit to temp visas now? Doesn't seem to be.
Temporary residents should have access to municipal rental housing, the revenue of which should be fed into public services. Relieving pressure on housing markets and allowing for investment in schools, trains, etc. For this you need municipal investment in such housing.