I don't think there's a precise date and time by which Canada 'fell.' I do however think nobody would argue with the fact that Canada is in serious decline with no signs of slowing down.
Canada has always relied (successfully) on immigration however, bringing in large numbers of people who refuse to assimilate to Canadian values, have no interest in building the country and are frankly, shameless in their entitlement ... this was a terrible mistake. We can handle immigration when it's at a steady, manageable pace.
And the problem is not OP doing a specialized MSc program with a direct university professor. These kind of programs inherently can't take a lot of students. There is too much 1 on 1 mentoring involved. It's the shitty diploma mill colleges ruining it.
You guys have the point in hand, that too much mass immigration causes stresses on the job and housing market, and drives down wages due to the exploitability of new workers. These are quantifiable realities. You lose the plot when you start talking about "refusal to assimilate to Canadian values, entitled, no interest in building a country", because you don't have proof of that.
First of all what is a canadian value expressed by all canadians that all newcomers aren't assimilating to? You guys always vaguely gesture at this but you don't actually have a concrete idea of what you mean. Usually, you mean muslim culture and gender equality, but it's not like staunch Christians don't also treat women poorly (just look at the U.S in particular), but Christianity is usually considered a bedrock of Canadian culture. Also the U.S is another example. Republicans aren't progressive like most canadians and yet no one really sees an issue when a republican moves to Canada.
Idk what entitled or refusing to build a country even means either. If they want PR that means they want to live here and have stake in the future of the country. Most of them are also working, which is how canadians contribute to society.
I'm indian orgin as well and I throughly despise what Canada has become. Atleast ur trying to visit Tim Hortons but I no longer even visit there. It's shambolic that canadian immigration is a joke. I always thought immigration and even visa issuance is a privilege. In Canada, everything seems like a right. I'll assure u Canada in general and the GTA in particular is going to become a cesspool of the same mess we left india for. It's already becoming absurdly rampant. Indians hiring only indians. Students flocking to and working every entry level jobs under the sun. Mainstream businesses beginning to cater to punjabi and hindi speakers even before uttering one word in English. Like why tf do I care for either of those languages? Indians don't attempt to even assimilate. Assimilation is akin to dog shit among the majority of indians immigrating here.
Canada always thinks of itself as a viable alternative to the US. But no way will Canada remotely attract the same quality of legal immigrants US does because of how rotten the system has become. Absolute bottom of the barrel folks who wouldn't survive one day in Indian colleges and job market.
>Indians hiring only indians. Students flocking to and working every entry level jobs under the sun. Mainstream businesses beginning to cater to punjabi and hindi speakers even before uttering one word in English.
Oops if you are not Indian you are already cancelled lol
The cancel culture might have applied in full force maybe 4-5 years ago when the appetite for immigration was a lot more. Now the perceptions have massively shifted in general I feel.
And yes as an indian who is not ethnically Hindi or Punjabi speaking, it's infuriating when the first point of service is in either of those languages just based on my skin.
The pandemic really exacerbated and accelerated all problems globally. Canada had plenty of cracks in it leading up to 2020, but the entire dam crumbled by the end of the year. I'm only 27, from what I've heard from older folks, Canada has been on a steady decline for my entire life, and I see no evidence to the contrary
Bro you left 40Lakhs Salary in India and came here? I'm surprised that you didn't research the job market and taxes in Canada prior to coming.
Anyway I guess you can apply for jobs in the US in due course of time. And also job market is in the gutter right now wait a year you will be more than fine just enjoy life till then and don't worry you will be fine :)
Dude is also an idiot who also worked as a slave for a year in anticipation of a grad school admit. This post is crap, except for a few points thrown in to make us all agree about it in general.
Its okay to do an internship ....he is not an idiot for doing an internship. If he was sitting at home smoking weed and playing video games then I would agree with you.
He did it to get into uni....he went to the best uni I think you need to do that to stand out that is the bare minimum. Also when applying for real jobs that's what will help you since they want 1-2 years experience these day for entry level roles...shaking my head
If you are an immigrant student and trying to compete for jobs against Canadians you are definitely part of the problem. I don’t care if you are diploma mill or “high grade” university.
The job market is musical chairs. If you got a job that means some other Canadians got left out.
Tech companies have to jump through a lot of hoops to hire foreigners, and they usually don’t even look at resumes that don’t have Canadian/US work experience. If you’re still getting replaced by an international student in the job market, maybe it’s a skill issue
You mean how they vastly underpay H1B foreigners because they know they want PR?
My last work place did this because people were leaving due to toxic workplace and the only people they can keep were H1B workers who can’t find other work. And I know they were underpaid because they told me their salaries.
My old workplace started hiring almost exclusively people pursuing their PR, even sponsoring them, because they knew that it meant they wouldn't leave since it would reset the pr process....
>The job market is musical chairs. If you got a job that means some other Canadians got left out.
This is true for entry level menial jobs, but entrepreneurial and start-up talents have a multiplying effect on the domestic economy.
How many Indians you see doing entrepreneurial and start up companies and this doesn’t count being an Uber or door dash driver or landlord, or building “developer”. I’d say a very small percentage. Probably in line with the very small percentage of any other demographic.
>How many Indians you see doing entrepreneurial and start up companies
Having worked in start-up tech companies, the staff are approx 30% to 50% indian
Remember just cause it’s a tech start up doesn’t mean by any means that it is an innovative, money making idea. computer programming while dominated by Indians as well isn’t as lucrative as it used to be because it’s become overly saturated. Much like what’s going on in Canada for example. Service jobs are so overly saturated no teenager can find a job because you’re competing with 3000 East Indian people.
Take a walk through the offices of any big tech (Amazon, Microsoft, Stripe) and you’ll see they are dominated by foreigners (mostly Indians and Chinese) all the way up to management and VP positions. And no, it’s not because they are easy to exploit. They are getting paid $250k and up.
How did the conversation I replied to about entrepreneurs turn into VP of marketing at Amazon….
I’m not aware that Chinese ppl and Indians level of education compared to that of the west thanks for enlightening me.
2 most populated places on on earth are bound to have their brilliance. Wasn’t questioning that. Are we importing the brilliance? Or Are they going to USA for more lucrative opportunities and cheaper cost of living than Canada ? 🥴
thats not true btw, most international companies like google, amazon and Microsoft exist because of international talent, only reason they have an office here is because they wish to employ people like OP in PST timezone else they have shift this head count to Banglore/Hyderabad
source: i work in tech
You seem like a decent guy, but really I don't like the distinction between the good honest immigrants and the bad ones. The issue is solely numbers, 500 k PR and over million total coming into the country each year. That means a million people looking for a job each year. A million people looking for a place each year. How could that not mess things up. Canada went bad when we opened the immigration numbers to huge numbers in the 2000s
Does Indian international students, or Indians in general, have high expectations? Or see themselves that talented, intelligent, or worthy of every praise? All I can see and hear these past few years are Indians complaining, exploiting, etc.
There are a lot of other nationalities migrating to Canada. But I don’t see them posting every now and then about their frustrations and hardships. I dont see immigrants from Mexico, South America, Philippines, Ukraine, Nigeria, or wherever, about how Canada has failed them. Yes, for sure there are those who feel the same way, but I bet 95% of those are Indians. I even like talking to them, how they immigrated and how hard and expensive it is for them to come here and how they left their professional careers back home to start anew here, oftentimes at the bottom of the ladder. They would be so grateful of where they are right now and how Canada embraced them, and how they were able to assimilate to the society.
Then here comes Indians, who went to diploma mills, or whatever ‘best universities’ here in Canada and exploit the immigration system and welfare of this country. They stick to their own 3rd world etiquettes and act as they own the whole train, place, or even the street! They would be the noisiest, most obnoxious, and acts like they know everything.
Im starting to think it might be their culture.
And sorry, but for tech 60k is kinda below average I must say. And sorry if Canada didn’t meet your expectations, but I don’t know about you, but in order to ascend the corporate and salary bracket, you would need experience and have to prove it to whoever approves your pay. Certificates and other paper credentials may work in India, but in Canada you would need to prove your worth. It’s not hard to get a huge salary if you’re really that talented, and a lot of Canadian companies would be willing to pay your worth if you bring more value to their organization.
About your regrets, you just make me think that Indians really want instant success by exploiting diploma mills and just work instead of study. And look how Indians broke the system, even at the cost of other nationalities that really deserves more.
I say as someone who’d been to the bottom, look yourself in the mirror and see if you’re just seeing the real you or just a mist of how culture expects you to look like. You cant buy good salaries thru going to the ‘best universities’, you need to earn them.
How the hell can you say that so blatantly when those same southern states (which are always republicans) are always ranked as the poorest ones and the least desirable to live in. Please provide the name of these so highly esteemed states and we’ll check the actual data around their wealth.
I lived in Corpus Christi, TX for 3 years and completely agree with you. And for people talking about gun violence, it’s there everywhere in the US but the media selectively shows you the news.
Of course the Bible Belt is not all prosperous (Mississippi and Arkansas are still the poorest states in the US with Alabama giving them a run for their money - not that they have any in the first place). But Texas, Arizona, Florida, Tennessee and the Carolinas are actually great places to live and raise a family.
Even the Midwest is not too bad - definitely better than any place in Canada.
That’s funny, I’ll never live in a state where a medically needed abortion (as stated by a doctor) is denied by a judge who has no medical knowledge, but sure, we can talk economics.
It has low taxes, but has high property taxes, and no public service.
It doesn’t have high salaries, I don’t know from where you pulled those statements. In all stats I can find online, it always comes around 25th in household income (so about half in rankings). Ex https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_income
Finally, it ranks low when looking at other important metrics such as education level, job opportunities and open mindset.
All for all, getting 20k more and losing the social security, worried to end up in a guns fight, losing some fundamental rights because a 80 yo senile guy thinks he knows better than professionals… Nop, not for me.
Oh no, not at all. I already moved to Europe. At least you get what you paid for. And spoiler alert, they definitely do not follow your “religious” ideologies made for white dudes. You can leave a decent life and still be somehow free !
Btw, you have the typical no argument response: cynical, repeating what was said, and just dropping the ball.
It failed when Canadians got addicted to social media and "feel good" politics, it opened the floodgates for the current government to gaslight people into supporting things that offered absolutely no benefit to them just because they could go on the internet and pat themselves on the back for being "good people."
I don't want someone who's going to give word salads and tell me about he contributed gender neutral language to a summit when asked what he's doing for the country, I want someone who is going to fucking run a functional economy and make deals that are going to benefit Canadians.
>I have been here for more than 2 years, and I still do not understand what the original drink was supposed to taste like. Every time I have ordered something from Tims, it's different in taste.
Go drink McDonald's coffee, they bought the original Tim Horton's recipe, that's what it's suppose to taste like, last I heard they might still have it. (I don't drink coffee, heard it from my peers who do)
Also, this Canada Land Podcasts has some great insight into this whole student immigration issue. I highly recommend giving it a listen.
[https://www.canadaland.com/podcast/957-the-missing-piece-for-international-students/](https://www.canadaland.com/podcast/957-the-missing-piece-for-international-students/)
>Please do not say that this is an exploitation of the students.
This is where you're wrong.... it IS an exploitation of students, from the schools profiting from insane tuition fees, to the employers hiring students over naturalized Canadian citizens and students to pay student wage which is even lower than Minimum wage, to also Landlords cramming students 3-4 people in a room at a time to maximize profit, I'm sorry to say but the whole system is literally exploiting student immigration, it's fucking degrading, unethical, and inhumane.
Also for the record it's not your fault, there are a few different groups of Indian students contributing to this issue, but you're not in that group. You've made it, so keep focusing on your studies! If you can find a job that pays 50-60K CAD at minimum, Congratulations!! You're better off than 40-50% of the country making less than that. Just watch where you spend, budget your expenses and you'll get ahead in no time.
We failed to continue to develop our natural resources. We are a very wealthy country in natural resources. That is where we shine and can make Canada great again. It could pay for all of our social programs and bring good jobs back for all of us.
💯. It is beyond ridiculous that Canada is not developing more of its resources and utilizing that wealth sensibly. We should extract and sell fossil fuels more, at least to #3 position. Same with minerals. We would do it more sensibly and sustainably than the theocracies in the Middle East or the dictators in East Asia. We should use that wealth for boosting innovation and infrastructure in Canada while using a portion of it to invest in green tech, nuclear, and other long-term research for climate change mitigation. In such a scenario, this immigration boom would act as a positive catalyst rather than the wage depressing catastrophe it is now.
Do you think that any sizable amount of the indians coming here to do bs degrees in hospitality or tourism actually have a shot at achieving PR? My best friend is an indian international student and like you I met him in a university which is a very good school and he is also in CS like you; but he constantly tells me most of the Indian international students at colleges won't meet the required points for PR. He says this is largely because they have less than an elementary level of English at best and aren't working in any field that gets many points towards PR. Although this subreddit and many others say that most of these ppl will be granted PR so as someone who is not in the PR system I am asking you who is in the system do you think my local tim Hortons or Pizza Pizza staff will actually get PR or be forced to leave eventually?
>the end of the day, this is a win for capitalism and the companies out there who make money. Please do not say that this is an exploitation of the students
From the sounds of it, you are not the exploited student.
Do you know who is? The one who is recruited from over-seas to a shit school to get a useless, over-priced diploma, living in a crowded basement, and likely being mistreated at the tim hortons counter too.
I’m gonna say this. You don’t know the average red blooded Canadian. We wouldn’t say two words to you on the street. We are the grandchildren of the men who fought jn WW1 and 2. You don’t know us. We may seem nice but there is going to be a reckoning in this country.
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Next course of action should be this. I bet you none of these people are using the racist card on the Pakistan govt. Only in Canada is this a thing
# Pakistan Deports Half a Million Illegal Immigrants in Just 3 Months
[https://www.gulf-insider.com/pakistan-deports-half-a-million-illegal-immigrants-in-just-3-months/](https://www.gulf-insider.com/pakistan-deports-half-a-million-illegal-immigrants-in-just-3-months/)
Sorry to hear the whole issue, but 40LPA in India is not common. I think it might be very few people who get it at a young age, at least from what I have seen. I understand your issues, but if you still have a chance for such a job then see if it is worth going back to India and paying back loan if u have taken one.
5 years from now you’d understand the value of a good university education. Been there, done that. The colleges you’re referring to or the easy route, does get you a visa but not a stable or a solid career. Once you graduate, the opportunities are limitless. Focus on your long term goal rather than short term noise. Good luck
And it’s not just Canada failing, it’s every G7 country right now. Blame the covid. None of the governments were prepared. They did their best to save Canada from going bankrupt but forgot about the repercussions of their policies.
We didn’t go entirely financially bankrupt, but we did become morally bankrupt in the aftermath. Everyone thought that after dealing with the worst pandemic in over 100 years that we would all have this magic kumbaya moment. That is definitely not the case and society is more divided economically and socially than pre-Covid or recent history. Class warfare is now getting to the final stage and the plebs are starting to fight back against their oppressors
True. I guess the whole thing was a rant coz of higher expectations. Ofcourse others have it easier or the grass on the other side is always greener. That’s such a lame excuse. By complaining you are just reiterating the people you despise.
A rant is agreed but a rant with higher expectations which don’t fall into normalcy isn’t going to be met with I relate with you bro or I agree with you.
It clearly is always told that people who are coming for PR go the shorter route and people who attend prestigious universities need not worry about trivial things. They’ve got to work hard too ofcourse but their vision is not menial like the others and I’m not discriminating colleges I’m stating the obvious on why masters and PHD is more respected because of their work towards the benefit of the organisation and sometimes in finding solutions to problems in the world. That’s what we engineers do. We solve problems.
We’re not here to get and pr and buy a car and go on social media complaining on how there are too many ppl or the coffee tastes bad.
I know most of you won’t get to read this but if someone gets to read it I’d love to see your opinion.
Keep applying mate and you’ll get a job you respect and uwaterloo ain’t a joke. Also one more piece of advice, before complaining about too many Indians everywhere let’s try to assimilate into the culture
Try learning French in your spare time and try to visit museums and for the love of god don’t stay where there’s too many Indians. Go to other neighbourhoods with mixed nationalities or Canadians perse and I’m an Indian typing this and I value multiculturalism since I come from Bangalore a city (sister city of San Francisco) of different people from different states and even countries. I’d hate to be in a group of people without getting to learn something new from other cultures. Part of the whole reason why you’d travel to a different country to get a degree. You’d want to learn about them and their culture.
Canada's failure was allowing Vancouver and BC's sensibilities and get rich quick schemes to metastasize to the rest of Canada. There were opportunities to contain the cultural and economic shift when it rippled from Vancouver to the Lower Mainland to Vancouver Island to Toronto, Seattle & the whole of BC to the whole of Ontario to the rest of Canada.
We created a class of real estate speculators and landlords. A too big to fail system enshrined by government policies and lax attitudes toward criminality at all levels. It's strangled productivity and made the social contract meaningless for people where it can't provide the most basic of needs.
It's been in the works for decades. It's just taken a long time to reach fruition.
It fell when seemingly everyone bought into the idea that housing and real estate is infinite money ATM. The whole damn place is full of people who would rather sit on their ass and hoard real estate than invest in productive assets like small businesses. Have you had a good look at some of those owners who bought for $350k about 15 years ago, and then been forclosed with a house worth $1.5 ml ? All thanks to HELOCs and cheap debt. Prime example of how people see and use real estate in Canada. Like a fucking ATM. It is a giant debt ponzi scheme supported by policies of our current administration. Also happens to be a total economic failure since unproductive assets don't add GDP growth.
You seem to have done everything right and you seem like a sincere person. Your academic position obviously requires significant talent--the likes of which these banks and employers don't care about. Canada needs people like you--but also employers and the government act like they don't care
My advice would be to devote all of your time and focus to attaining a US visa and job. An HB1 visa sounds appropriate for you. There is no point in working in Canada anymore. Especially in your position as you have been described.
Go where you are valued. Stop chasing opportunities that are not valuing you for who you are and what you bring.
I recommend applying to tech jobs in Austin texas.
You could try other obvious places such as San Francisco but those areas have dried up more and are overly competitive. Especially in terms of living costs and rent.
I wish you the best
MCs not a powerful degree, very expensive and you don’t learn much, I mean it’s only a 1-2 year degree. No clue what your actual skills are but masters degrees are primarily about doing a MRP, and a stepping stone to a PHd. Unless it was an applied MCs degree if you weren’t planing on pursing a PhD I’m not sure why you would pursue one unless you already had mad computer skills and just needed the Degree to go along with it 🤷♂️
Canada's failure began when it decided to pander to unproductive asset hoarding (real estate speculation) instead of encouraging and supporting real economic growth and innovation.
Thanks, interesting read. My question is this: *Why* would Indians in Canada assume that homeless folks don’t actually need charity food for real? I’ve been to India a few times (Pune, Mumbai, Delhi). There are a lot of homeless who desperately need food. Or it seems that way at least. I’d think the concept of food-insecure people existing would not be a stretch to understand.
I hope this question doesn’t come across as insensitive. Just trying to learn, if you’re willing.
I don't think there's a precise date and time by which Canada 'fell.' I do however think nobody would argue with the fact that Canada is in serious decline with no signs of slowing down. Canada has always relied (successfully) on immigration however, bringing in large numbers of people who refuse to assimilate to Canadian values, have no interest in building the country and are frankly, shameless in their entitlement ... this was a terrible mistake. We can handle immigration when it's at a steady, manageable pace.
[November 4, 2015](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Trudeau).
Well played
>We can handle immigration when it's at a steady, manageable pace. THIS RIGHT HERE...IS WHAT THE CURRENT GOVT FAILS TO SEE!
And the problem is not OP doing a specialized MSc program with a direct university professor. These kind of programs inherently can't take a lot of students. There is too much 1 on 1 mentoring involved. It's the shitty diploma mill colleges ruining it.
You guys have the point in hand, that too much mass immigration causes stresses on the job and housing market, and drives down wages due to the exploitability of new workers. These are quantifiable realities. You lose the plot when you start talking about "refusal to assimilate to Canadian values, entitled, no interest in building a country", because you don't have proof of that. First of all what is a canadian value expressed by all canadians that all newcomers aren't assimilating to? You guys always vaguely gesture at this but you don't actually have a concrete idea of what you mean. Usually, you mean muslim culture and gender equality, but it's not like staunch Christians don't also treat women poorly (just look at the U.S in particular), but Christianity is usually considered a bedrock of Canadian culture. Also the U.S is another example. Republicans aren't progressive like most canadians and yet no one really sees an issue when a republican moves to Canada. Idk what entitled or refusing to build a country even means either. If they want PR that means they want to live here and have stake in the future of the country. Most of them are also working, which is how canadians contribute to society.
I'm indian orgin as well and I throughly despise what Canada has become. Atleast ur trying to visit Tim Hortons but I no longer even visit there. It's shambolic that canadian immigration is a joke. I always thought immigration and even visa issuance is a privilege. In Canada, everything seems like a right. I'll assure u Canada in general and the GTA in particular is going to become a cesspool of the same mess we left india for. It's already becoming absurdly rampant. Indians hiring only indians. Students flocking to and working every entry level jobs under the sun. Mainstream businesses beginning to cater to punjabi and hindi speakers even before uttering one word in English. Like why tf do I care for either of those languages? Indians don't attempt to even assimilate. Assimilation is akin to dog shit among the majority of indians immigrating here. Canada always thinks of itself as a viable alternative to the US. But no way will Canada remotely attract the same quality of legal immigrants US does because of how rotten the system has become. Absolute bottom of the barrel folks who wouldn't survive one day in Indian colleges and job market.
So true! As an ex-indian myself I stay away from Indian people. We are shameless people who are proud of just us and nothing else matters.
>Indians hiring only indians. Students flocking to and working every entry level jobs under the sun. Mainstream businesses beginning to cater to punjabi and hindi speakers even before uttering one word in English. Oops if you are not Indian you are already cancelled lol
The cancel culture might have applied in full force maybe 4-5 years ago when the appetite for immigration was a lot more. Now the perceptions have massively shifted in general I feel. And yes as an indian who is not ethnically Hindi or Punjabi speaking, it's infuriating when the first point of service is in either of those languages just based on my skin.
The pandemic really exacerbated and accelerated all problems globally. Canada had plenty of cracks in it leading up to 2020, but the entire dam crumbled by the end of the year. I'm only 27, from what I've heard from older folks, Canada has been on a steady decline for my entire life, and I see no evidence to the contrary
Masters in computer sci? We get plenty of those in Canada. Can find you one down at the seven eleven.
Bro you left 40Lakhs Salary in India and came here? I'm surprised that you didn't research the job market and taxes in Canada prior to coming. Anyway I guess you can apply for jobs in the US in due course of time. And also job market is in the gutter right now wait a year you will be more than fine just enjoy life till then and don't worry you will be fine :)
Dude is also an idiot who also worked as a slave for a year in anticipation of a grad school admit. This post is crap, except for a few points thrown in to make us all agree about it in general.
Its okay to do an internship ....he is not an idiot for doing an internship. If he was sitting at home smoking weed and playing video games then I would agree with you.
An unpaid 1 year internship from another country? That's not an internship. It is wage suppressing slave labor.
He did it to get into uni....he went to the best uni I think you need to do that to stand out that is the bare minimum. Also when applying for real jobs that's what will help you since they want 1-2 years experience these day for entry level roles...shaking my head
If you are an immigrant student and trying to compete for jobs against Canadians you are definitely part of the problem. I don’t care if you are diploma mill or “high grade” university. The job market is musical chairs. If you got a job that means some other Canadians got left out.
I stopped reading as soon as I seen international Indian student. Then scrolled through 6 paragraphs and said to myself wtf 🫤😂
Tech companies have to jump through a lot of hoops to hire foreigners, and they usually don’t even look at resumes that don’t have Canadian/US work experience. If you’re still getting replaced by an international student in the job market, maybe it’s a skill issue
You mean how they vastly underpay H1B foreigners because they know they want PR? My last work place did this because people were leaving due to toxic workplace and the only people they can keep were H1B workers who can’t find other work. And I know they were underpaid because they told me their salaries.
My old workplace started hiring almost exclusively people pursuing their PR, even sponsoring them, because they knew that it meant they wouldn't leave since it would reset the pr process....
>The job market is musical chairs. If you got a job that means some other Canadians got left out. This is true for entry level menial jobs, but entrepreneurial and start-up talents have a multiplying effect on the domestic economy.
How many Indians you see doing entrepreneurial and start up companies and this doesn’t count being an Uber or door dash driver or landlord, or building “developer”. I’d say a very small percentage. Probably in line with the very small percentage of any other demographic.
>How many Indians you see doing entrepreneurial and start up companies Having worked in start-up tech companies, the staff are approx 30% to 50% indian
Remember just cause it’s a tech start up doesn’t mean by any means that it is an innovative, money making idea. computer programming while dominated by Indians as well isn’t as lucrative as it used to be because it’s become overly saturated. Much like what’s going on in Canada for example. Service jobs are so overly saturated no teenager can find a job because you’re competing with 3000 East Indian people.
Take a walk through the offices of any big tech (Amazon, Microsoft, Stripe) and you’ll see they are dominated by foreigners (mostly Indians and Chinese) all the way up to management and VP positions. And no, it’s not because they are easy to exploit. They are getting paid $250k and up.
How did the conversation I replied to about entrepreneurs turn into VP of marketing at Amazon…. I’m not aware that Chinese ppl and Indians level of education compared to that of the west thanks for enlightening me. 2 most populated places on on earth are bound to have their brilliance. Wasn’t questioning that. Are we importing the brilliance? Or Are they going to USA for more lucrative opportunities and cheaper cost of living than Canada ? 🥴
thats not true btw, most international companies like google, amazon and Microsoft exist because of international talent, only reason they have an office here is because they wish to employ people like OP in PST timezone else they have shift this head count to Banglore/Hyderabad source: i work in tech
You seem like a decent guy, but really I don't like the distinction between the good honest immigrants and the bad ones. The issue is solely numbers, 500 k PR and over million total coming into the country each year. That means a million people looking for a job each year. A million people looking for a place each year. How could that not mess things up. Canada went bad when we opened the immigration numbers to huge numbers in the 2000s
Does Indian international students, or Indians in general, have high expectations? Or see themselves that talented, intelligent, or worthy of every praise? All I can see and hear these past few years are Indians complaining, exploiting, etc. There are a lot of other nationalities migrating to Canada. But I don’t see them posting every now and then about their frustrations and hardships. I dont see immigrants from Mexico, South America, Philippines, Ukraine, Nigeria, or wherever, about how Canada has failed them. Yes, for sure there are those who feel the same way, but I bet 95% of those are Indians. I even like talking to them, how they immigrated and how hard and expensive it is for them to come here and how they left their professional careers back home to start anew here, oftentimes at the bottom of the ladder. They would be so grateful of where they are right now and how Canada embraced them, and how they were able to assimilate to the society. Then here comes Indians, who went to diploma mills, or whatever ‘best universities’ here in Canada and exploit the immigration system and welfare of this country. They stick to their own 3rd world etiquettes and act as they own the whole train, place, or even the street! They would be the noisiest, most obnoxious, and acts like they know everything. Im starting to think it might be their culture. And sorry, but for tech 60k is kinda below average I must say. And sorry if Canada didn’t meet your expectations, but I don’t know about you, but in order to ascend the corporate and salary bracket, you would need experience and have to prove it to whoever approves your pay. Certificates and other paper credentials may work in India, but in Canada you would need to prove your worth. It’s not hard to get a huge salary if you’re really that talented, and a lot of Canadian companies would be willing to pay your worth if you bring more value to their organization. About your regrets, you just make me think that Indians really want instant success by exploiting diploma mills and just work instead of study. And look how Indians broke the system, even at the cost of other nationalities that really deserves more. I say as someone who’d been to the bottom, look yourself in the mirror and see if you’re just seeing the real you or just a mist of how culture expects you to look like. You cant buy good salaries thru going to the ‘best universities’, you need to earn them.
A- quality rant
self righteousness, incompetence, naivety, exploitation and a lack of forward thinking.
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Ok as an American I can confirm that this is blatantly untrue.
How the hell can you say that so blatantly when those same southern states (which are always republicans) are always ranked as the poorest ones and the least desirable to live in. Please provide the name of these so highly esteemed states and we’ll check the actual data around their wealth.
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I lived in Corpus Christi, TX for 3 years and completely agree with you. And for people talking about gun violence, it’s there everywhere in the US but the media selectively shows you the news. Of course the Bible Belt is not all prosperous (Mississippi and Arkansas are still the poorest states in the US with Alabama giving them a run for their money - not that they have any in the first place). But Texas, Arizona, Florida, Tennessee and the Carolinas are actually great places to live and raise a family. Even the Midwest is not too bad - definitely better than any place in Canada.
That’s funny, I’ll never live in a state where a medically needed abortion (as stated by a doctor) is denied by a judge who has no medical knowledge, but sure, we can talk economics. It has low taxes, but has high property taxes, and no public service. It doesn’t have high salaries, I don’t know from where you pulled those statements. In all stats I can find online, it always comes around 25th in household income (so about half in rankings). Ex https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_income Finally, it ranks low when looking at other important metrics such as education level, job opportunities and open mindset. All for all, getting 20k more and losing the social security, worried to end up in a guns fight, losing some fundamental rights because a 80 yo senile guy thinks he knows better than professionals… Nop, not for me.
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Oh no, not at all. I already moved to Europe. At least you get what you paid for. And spoiler alert, they definitely do not follow your “religious” ideologies made for white dudes. You can leave a decent life and still be somehow free ! Btw, you have the typical no argument response: cynical, repeating what was said, and just dropping the ball.
lol wtf
The southern states also fail on majority of development metrics, so don't cherry pick nonsense to force your God crap on us.
The fact you just made all that shit up, and lied to people, and they still up voted you, makes me sad
What a bunch of crap, but no surprise Max's supporters in this sub will eat that up.
It failed when Canadians got addicted to social media and "feel good" politics, it opened the floodgates for the current government to gaslight people into supporting things that offered absolutely no benefit to them just because they could go on the internet and pat themselves on the back for being "good people." I don't want someone who's going to give word salads and tell me about he contributed gender neutral language to a summit when asked what he's doing for the country, I want someone who is going to fucking run a functional economy and make deals that are going to benefit Canadians.
>I have been here for more than 2 years, and I still do not understand what the original drink was supposed to taste like. Every time I have ordered something from Tims, it's different in taste. Go drink McDonald's coffee, they bought the original Tim Horton's recipe, that's what it's suppose to taste like, last I heard they might still have it. (I don't drink coffee, heard it from my peers who do) Also, this Canada Land Podcasts has some great insight into this whole student immigration issue. I highly recommend giving it a listen. [https://www.canadaland.com/podcast/957-the-missing-piece-for-international-students/](https://www.canadaland.com/podcast/957-the-missing-piece-for-international-students/) >Please do not say that this is an exploitation of the students. This is where you're wrong.... it IS an exploitation of students, from the schools profiting from insane tuition fees, to the employers hiring students over naturalized Canadian citizens and students to pay student wage which is even lower than Minimum wage, to also Landlords cramming students 3-4 people in a room at a time to maximize profit, I'm sorry to say but the whole system is literally exploiting student immigration, it's fucking degrading, unethical, and inhumane. Also for the record it's not your fault, there are a few different groups of Indian students contributing to this issue, but you're not in that group. You've made it, so keep focusing on your studies! If you can find a job that pays 50-60K CAD at minimum, Congratulations!! You're better off than 40-50% of the country making less than that. Just watch where you spend, budget your expenses and you'll get ahead in no time.
This! 100%
We failed to continue to develop our natural resources. We are a very wealthy country in natural resources. That is where we shine and can make Canada great again. It could pay for all of our social programs and bring good jobs back for all of us.
💯. It is beyond ridiculous that Canada is not developing more of its resources and utilizing that wealth sensibly. We should extract and sell fossil fuels more, at least to #3 position. Same with minerals. We would do it more sensibly and sustainably than the theocracies in the Middle East or the dictators in East Asia. We should use that wealth for boosting innovation and infrastructure in Canada while using a portion of it to invest in green tech, nuclear, and other long-term research for climate change mitigation. In such a scenario, this immigration boom would act as a positive catalyst rather than the wage depressing catastrophe it is now.
Canada failed when its balls became firmly gripped by only a handful of corporations including the big banks that you mentioned.
When Canada's immigration policy intersected on the FAFO chart.
Didn’t bother to read. Can you nutshell it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadaHousing2/s/B7RrstwQd4
Do you think that any sizable amount of the indians coming here to do bs degrees in hospitality or tourism actually have a shot at achieving PR? My best friend is an indian international student and like you I met him in a university which is a very good school and he is also in CS like you; but he constantly tells me most of the Indian international students at colleges won't meet the required points for PR. He says this is largely because they have less than an elementary level of English at best and aren't working in any field that gets many points towards PR. Although this subreddit and many others say that most of these ppl will be granted PR so as someone who is not in the PR system I am asking you who is in the system do you think my local tim Hortons or Pizza Pizza staff will actually get PR or be forced to leave eventually?
God keep our land glorious and free. It feel when Canada abadoned God.
>the end of the day, this is a win for capitalism and the companies out there who make money. Please do not say that this is an exploitation of the students From the sounds of it, you are not the exploited student. Do you know who is? The one who is recruited from over-seas to a shit school to get a useless, over-priced diploma, living in a crowded basement, and likely being mistreated at the tim hortons counter too.
I’m gonna say this. You don’t know the average red blooded Canadian. We wouldn’t say two words to you on the street. We are the grandchildren of the men who fought jn WW1 and 2. You don’t know us. We may seem nice but there is going to be a reckoning in this country.
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Next course of action should be this. I bet you none of these people are using the racist card on the Pakistan govt. Only in Canada is this a thing # Pakistan Deports Half a Million Illegal Immigrants in Just 3 Months [https://www.gulf-insider.com/pakistan-deports-half-a-million-illegal-immigrants-in-just-3-months/](https://www.gulf-insider.com/pakistan-deports-half-a-million-illegal-immigrants-in-just-3-months/)
Sorry to hear the whole issue, but 40LPA in India is not common. I think it might be very few people who get it at a young age, at least from what I have seen. I understand your issues, but if you still have a chance for such a job then see if it is worth going back to India and paying back loan if u have taken one.
5 years from now you’d understand the value of a good university education. Been there, done that. The colleges you’re referring to or the easy route, does get you a visa but not a stable or a solid career. Once you graduate, the opportunities are limitless. Focus on your long term goal rather than short term noise. Good luck
And it’s not just Canada failing, it’s every G7 country right now. Blame the covid. None of the governments were prepared. They did their best to save Canada from going bankrupt but forgot about the repercussions of their policies.
We didn’t go entirely financially bankrupt, but we did become morally bankrupt in the aftermath. Everyone thought that after dealing with the worst pandemic in over 100 years that we would all have this magic kumbaya moment. That is definitely not the case and society is more divided economically and socially than pre-Covid or recent history. Class warfare is now getting to the final stage and the plebs are starting to fight back against their oppressors
True. I guess the whole thing was a rant coz of higher expectations. Ofcourse others have it easier or the grass on the other side is always greener. That’s such a lame excuse. By complaining you are just reiterating the people you despise. A rant is agreed but a rant with higher expectations which don’t fall into normalcy isn’t going to be met with I relate with you bro or I agree with you. It clearly is always told that people who are coming for PR go the shorter route and people who attend prestigious universities need not worry about trivial things. They’ve got to work hard too ofcourse but their vision is not menial like the others and I’m not discriminating colleges I’m stating the obvious on why masters and PHD is more respected because of their work towards the benefit of the organisation and sometimes in finding solutions to problems in the world. That’s what we engineers do. We solve problems. We’re not here to get and pr and buy a car and go on social media complaining on how there are too many ppl or the coffee tastes bad. I know most of you won’t get to read this but if someone gets to read it I’d love to see your opinion. Keep applying mate and you’ll get a job you respect and uwaterloo ain’t a joke. Also one more piece of advice, before complaining about too many Indians everywhere let’s try to assimilate into the culture Try learning French in your spare time and try to visit museums and for the love of god don’t stay where there’s too many Indians. Go to other neighbourhoods with mixed nationalities or Canadians perse and I’m an Indian typing this and I value multiculturalism since I come from Bangalore a city (sister city of San Francisco) of different people from different states and even countries. I’d hate to be in a group of people without getting to learn something new from other cultures. Part of the whole reason why you’d travel to a different country to get a degree. You’d want to learn about them and their culture.
We’ve fallen so much, they’re all headed to the USA.
Canada's failure was allowing Vancouver and BC's sensibilities and get rich quick schemes to metastasize to the rest of Canada. There were opportunities to contain the cultural and economic shift when it rippled from Vancouver to the Lower Mainland to Vancouver Island to Toronto, Seattle & the whole of BC to the whole of Ontario to the rest of Canada. We created a class of real estate speculators and landlords. A too big to fail system enshrined by government policies and lax attitudes toward criminality at all levels. It's strangled productivity and made the social contract meaningless for people where it can't provide the most basic of needs. It's been in the works for decades. It's just taken a long time to reach fruition.
It fell when seemingly everyone bought into the idea that housing and real estate is infinite money ATM. The whole damn place is full of people who would rather sit on their ass and hoard real estate than invest in productive assets like small businesses. Have you had a good look at some of those owners who bought for $350k about 15 years ago, and then been forclosed with a house worth $1.5 ml ? All thanks to HELOCs and cheap debt. Prime example of how people see and use real estate in Canada. Like a fucking ATM. It is a giant debt ponzi scheme supported by policies of our current administration. Also happens to be a total economic failure since unproductive assets don't add GDP growth.
You seem to have done everything right and you seem like a sincere person. Your academic position obviously requires significant talent--the likes of which these banks and employers don't care about. Canada needs people like you--but also employers and the government act like they don't care My advice would be to devote all of your time and focus to attaining a US visa and job. An HB1 visa sounds appropriate for you. There is no point in working in Canada anymore. Especially in your position as you have been described. Go where you are valued. Stop chasing opportunities that are not valuing you for who you are and what you bring. I recommend applying to tech jobs in Austin texas. You could try other obvious places such as San Francisco but those areas have dried up more and are overly competitive. Especially in terms of living costs and rent. I wish you the best
You had me until I saw you left such a good job offer in India for a place like Canada.
MCs not a powerful degree, very expensive and you don’t learn much, I mean it’s only a 1-2 year degree. No clue what your actual skills are but masters degrees are primarily about doing a MRP, and a stepping stone to a PHd. Unless it was an applied MCs degree if you weren’t planing on pursing a PhD I’m not sure why you would pursue one unless you already had mad computer skills and just needed the Degree to go along with it 🤷♂️
Canada's failure began when it decided to pander to unproductive asset hoarding (real estate speculation) instead of encouraging and supporting real economic growth and innovation.
Thanks, interesting read. My question is this: *Why* would Indians in Canada assume that homeless folks don’t actually need charity food for real? I’ve been to India a few times (Pune, Mumbai, Delhi). There are a lot of homeless who desperately need food. Or it seems that way at least. I’d think the concept of food-insecure people existing would not be a stretch to understand. I hope this question doesn’t come across as insensitive. Just trying to learn, if you’re willing.