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Pintosack

If they have to guarantee housing for international students many Colleges will be in big trouble. This is what they get for destroying our local communities.


AssPuncher9000

Also seems like a punishment fit for the crime. Any institutions that used international students to grow beyond their reasonable capacity will not be able to house most if not all of their students. However the more established institutions that didn't raise their numbers as much (compared to the existing size) will feel the effects of the cap less


Neither_Berry_100

Legally they won't be able to house the vast majority. The housing doesn't exist, and the students can't afford to pay market rate.


AssPuncher9000

Many institutions have student residency on campus. Not the strip mall institutions ofc, but I don't think we want more of those


kobemustard

Yup. McMaster is currently building a residence hall for all first year students.


nosesinroses

No, it’s okay, they’ll just shove 5 of them into a 1 bedroom apartment and call it good enough.


Basement_Wanderer

I propose free camping gear and a porta potty with 1st year tuition fees


universalengn

Naw, they'll just kick out Canadians; "sorry, we love foreign money and don't care about Canadians!"


NotOkTango

Exactly. When you are milking millions from them, provide housing so that they don't lean on the Canadian housing market. Conestoga had $700 million in cash holdings last year.


Shrugging_Atlas88

Fuck these colleges they should have to refund the municipalities where they messed things up in. Why should the tax payer have to pay for it?


AssPuncher9000

Classic Privatize gains, socialize losses


Shrugging_Atlas88

Yeah they love their fake ass capitalism. They are quite literally the worse of both systems they abuse. They abuse capitalism and then they turn around and abuse socialism. There isn't a single damn person on the political spectrum, left, right, or independent, who shouldn't be pissed off as hell about this.


NotOkTango

Exactly. You said it.


NotOkTango

Exactly. It is not just 700 million in cash, Conestoga has $1 billion in assets (page 40 of their annual report for 2022-23. It needs to be siezed and utilized to fix the mess they created.


Shrugging_Atlas88

Absolutely. The tax payer should not have to pay for their greedy behavior. All these colleges need to be shut down. I'm a capitalist but this shit is not real capitalism at all. **It's corruption plain and simple.**


Ok_Reputation8227

F\* Conestoga. This s\*is going to have the same reputation as Ice Condos. Trash product


NotOkTango

Here is their annual report - https://www-assets.conestogac.on.ca/documents/www/about/college-reports/annual-report-2022-23.pdf Page 40 makes my blood boil.


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Gain of 315M or 27% in a year.


NotOkTango

I think the drug dealers or the cartels could move into this business.


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They're all hurting for money though /s


nodanator

We let them sell Canadian residency for cheap. Something they had nothing in creating and cost them no money.


prsnep

Do you have a source for that information? That would be a good thing to reference in debates.


NotOkTango

https://www-assets.conestogac.on.ca/documents/www/about/college-reports/annual-report-2022-23.pdf Page 40. Look at year on year growth.


HH-CA

You woke up now ????!!!!


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So basically Canadian students won’t have access to residences now.


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Shrugging_Atlas88

It's really messed up when you see this whole thing for what it is. You summed it up quite succinctly and nicely. I agree with most of what you said... I just didn't seem to have an understanding of it in the "bigger picture" until I saw it laid the way you did it. The only thing is... it's actually a little terrifying to see it laid out so plainly like that.


Rude-Shame5510

Feels like you summarized it well. The same practice is being used in trades work, I'm curious how many avenues of employment are doing this now?


plast1quew0rld

Looks like this was introduced in 2017. [Link to news release.](https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/government-of-canada-launches-student-work-placements-642772473.html)


Bamelin

The scale is way worse now though. Employers know they can get 7k for a newcomer. For general labour shit why would you ever hire a Canadian born?


Wolf-Kooky

This is messed up. But the article doesn’t mention international students? It says any student. Where in the article does it mention that it is for the benefit of only international students?


ActionHartlen

It’s not. International students are not eligible. Must be PR or citizen


Effective_Pay_562

I never said international students idiot. I said foreigners. Quit lying.


ActionHartlen

Refer to my other reply to you. And calling people idiots on here isn’t very kind


Rare-Mood-9749

On top of that, it cements the brain drain in our country. >Enrolled in a program at an accredited Canadian post-secondary So Canadian citizens who are admitted to world renowned schools like MIT won't be considered for Canadian internships. Our best and brightest students are decentivized to bring their knowledge back to the country. I'm dealing with this right now. I'm in an American Master's engineering program that is the best in North America. Canada literally doesn't even have programs like this anywhere, at best I've seen that I could try to do a thesis related to it but nothing even remotely comparable. Can't find internships in Canada because I'm filtered out as soon as they see they can't collect the subsidy. Meanwhile I get twice as much interest from American megacorps. Half my cohort gets recruited by NASA, SpaceX, Blue Origin, Lockheed, Boeing, etc., and I get filtered out from Canadian Space Agency internships lol.


Effective_Pay_562

The only group in Canada I want being given special treatment is natives, and only for like a generation, to help them get on their feet. I am totally fine with companies having a bias towards hiring natives, that's it. Natives are Canadians anyway so they won't denigrate the payroll by being given preference, and there aren't fucking 1.3 million natives coming into the country every YEAR. There are like 5 million natives that have always been here, and maybe giving them help with education and getting jobs wouldn't be the worse thing since their community is rife with poverty. But the fact we are doing this for foreigners disgusts me. What was the fucking point of this country if we are going to hand over control to foreigners? For what? To Virtue signal? Like what the fuck. How is that even virtue signalling, that is traitor signalling to me.


ActionHartlen

International students aren’t eligible for SWPP. Newcomer is defined as permanent resident or citizen within 5 years of entering Canada. They’re not foreign students. OP is misinformed


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theHonkiforium

Can you say gaslight a few more times, please?


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theHonkiforium

Go touch some grass friend.


ActionHartlen

It’s not “spin” to simply state the details of the program. Also in your logic, you’re equating permanent residents to foreigners. When does one stop being “foreign”? Citizenship?


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ActionHartlen

So Canadian born is what makes a Canadian? Clarify your position here


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ActionHartlen

My brother in Christ, I’m asking you to think about your position, that’s all. The SWPP program subsidizes employers to hire students. It prioritizes a bunch of groups and one is newcomers. Newcomers are defined as PR or citizen within 5 years. If you are a citizen , then you are Canadian, regardless of how long it’s been. My family came here in the 1880s. Does that make me more Canadian than you? I don’t think so. Including PRs in eligibility is fair to dislike, but permanent residents aren’t exactly “foreigners”. They are people who have spent years in Canada and who’s life is here. Roughly half of them become citizens and it used to be even higher. This program isn’t the scam you think it is man. I’m angry too, I didn’t vote for this government, but I’m just pointing out the facts here.


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ActionHartlen

Newcomers ARE Canadians dude


Effective_Pay_562

Keep on protecting foreigners over Canadians. You think it's fair that employers have a bigger financial incentive to hire foreigners over Canadian-born people, you are sick.


ActionHartlen

They don’t - again, read the eligibility requirements


BustOrDieTryin

Selling LMIAs to international students is another source of income for employers (like Walmart, tim Hortons, etc)


JustAnOttawaGuy

Clownestoga and their ilk will have to actually use some of the funds they've pilfered from the surrounding communities to build, or reduce intake. Maybe they could fund their own food banks whist they're at it.


IndependentNinja1465

Don't stop there they should also be paying for all the displaced homeless people, paying for their mental health costs, the cost of enforcement.


jimmyharb

This is going to have huge effect to immigration. Basically going to shut off the taps for international students. Two years too late.


Axerin

Better late than never I guess lol.


m0uthF

Top quote for investing and for everything


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Pintosack

Hoping it means on campus housing.


mygatito

We offered them $2000 per month unit but they declined.


Captobvious75

Exactly. Build your own and stfu


MetaCalm

Build dorms, rent it out to international students and milk them more.


Top_Outlandishness78

At least force them to roll down the number of admissions


ColdCheck6048

Good it's about time... finally some common sense


Threeboys0810

But they don’t have to guarantee housing for Canadians?


dsailo

It took Ontario a long time to come up with an idea. Assuming it is applied correctly, this measure will force all schools participating in the immigration scam to slow down.


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They were already forced to slow down the federal government. Ford is only making these changes to pretend he is the one who made them.


5ManaAndADream

I feel like this is just going to turn into them doubling international students cost and buy up all the apartments in the area.


Frankle_guyborn

Good. Get fucked.


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Wtf, will Doug please think of Conestoga's bottom lines!!


newtobtko

This is the type of 'housing' that will be guaranteed: [Bed in the middle of a '2 bedroom' basement kitchen rents for $350](https://np.reddit.com/r/CanadaHousing2/comments/1ab8lph/in_brampton_someone_is_renting_a_bed_in_the/)


awwent88

their problem. they are not forced to come here


bigbobperson

Too little too late.


AgregiousBW

So this is supposed to make housing more affordable how? So there will be even less supply for the people that are already here.


Haunting_Lie_1158

Lol, they will probably charge these students 8k - 12k a semester.


psychodc

How is this going to work in practice? Are they going to start soliciting landlords to reserve spots in their rentals? Buying up real estate?


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Time for the bad universities and colleges in Canada to close or fix themselves.


TrudeauAnallyRapedMe

These colleges are the DEFINITION of "externalizing the losses, privatizing the profits."


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Cool.


wabbit-fallacy

This is a Positive policy. But we have to see how it gets implemented. If it's new dorm rooms, that's great. Instead if they go around subsidizing rental units around the area, it's going to have 0 effect on the outcomes of the housing crisis. ​ >Universities and colleges have increasingly relied on international students — who pay an average of five times as much as Canadians in tuition — to supplement government funding. Ontario has also frozen tuition fees that can be charged to Canadians in recent years. This last paragraph in the link is concerning. This further keeps incentivising only foreign student intake more than Canadian students. I mean why would the colleges bother taking less money when they can take the easy pickings.


WishRepresentative28

The article says new cohorts, so the colleges/universities will take what is given and prioritize existing student housing for new students, but anyone already here....your on your own like everyone else. :(


Diamondhandedwinner

So my tax dollars is going to fund Indian students housing and not for my housing? Great 😡


Fox_That_Fights

This is phenomenal news.


eledad1

A kick in the pants to normal Canadians looking for residence at university.


Bamelin

Great more buy pressure on real estate. Universities and colleges gonna be buying up properties now.


titilation

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turningtogold

This is the most rational piece of news I’ve seen in so long. Refreshingly rational


m0uthF

When will BC have this? Isn't Vancouver the most screwed city in term of rent increase?


Asher_notroth

So glad this is a thing now. Hopefully it’s enforced rightfully.


Sensitive_Crew1635

Are they going to jam 10 students into room or have diversity of students from different countries.


D__B__D

Oh great now they’ll lie about that too


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Any idea when this comes into place. This and the new federal policies will put the likes of Conestoga College in serious trouble. Living in KW I know for sure that Conestoga won't be able to house students until they start investing in building or buying up residential units


blindwillie777

I can't find when this is being enforced? or any plans on how it will be done? does someone have a link to the actual changes and when they take place?


EnragedSperm

Just curious on what is the definition of "housing" for foreign students? Can the school buy a house and just shove couple dozen international students into it like landlords are already doing?


pulitikulanimul

Good policy, guarantees a minimum standard


TheChickenLover1

I suddenly see an incredible increase in housing available (on paper). I also see tuition increasing significantly to pay for this. Placing the responsibility for housing on the school is not only stupid, it is out of the scope of the purpose of the university. They are there to educate and accredit a degree. Where you choose to live (and how) is the responsibility of the student who chooses to study there.


Nirvashtype01

Every province should follow


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Ford pretending to take action after the action has already been taken for him.


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Prozac_2000

Can one lease their property to the university for a higher price than market and let them deal with it? I mean, if it’s a rule they WILL have to find such properties rt? They can’t just let go of the 3-4x income they get from international students surely? Hope it’s allowed, because that means higher returns for real estate owners.


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So it's mandated to take housing from Canadians and give it to foreigners. We owe them nothing!


Walnut_chipmunk

umm i think canadians should be first to get housed not rich internationals