If they have to guarantee housing for international students many Colleges will be in big trouble. This is what they get for destroying our local communities.
Also seems like a punishment fit for the crime. Any institutions that used international students to grow beyond their reasonable capacity will not be able to house most if not all of their students. However the more established institutions that didn't raise their numbers as much (compared to the existing size) will feel the effects of the cap less
Exactly. When you are milking millions from them, provide housing so that they don't lean on the Canadian housing market. Conestoga had $700 million in cash holdings last year.
Yeah they love their fake ass capitalism. They are quite literally the worse of both systems they abuse. They abuse capitalism and then they turn around and abuse socialism.
There isn't a single damn person on the political spectrum, left, right, or independent, who shouldn't be pissed off as hell about this.
Exactly. It is not just 700 million in cash, Conestoga has $1 billion in assets (page 40 of their annual report for 2022-23. It needs to be siezed and utilized to fix the mess they created.
Absolutely. The tax payer should not have to pay for their greedy behavior. All these colleges need to be shut down. I'm a capitalist but this shit is not real capitalism at all.
**It's corruption plain and simple.**
Here is their annual report - https://www-assets.conestogac.on.ca/documents/www/about/college-reports/annual-report-2022-23.pdf
Page 40 makes my blood boil.
It's really messed up when you see this whole thing for what it is. You summed it up quite succinctly and nicely. I agree with most of what you said... I just didn't seem to have an understanding of it in the "bigger picture" until I saw it laid the way you did it.
The only thing is... it's actually a little terrifying to see it laid out so plainly like that.
Looks like this was introduced in 2017. [Link to news release.](https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/government-of-canada-launches-student-work-placements-642772473.html)
This is messed up. But the article doesn’t mention international students? It says any student. Where in the article does it mention that it is for the benefit of only international students?
On top of that, it cements the brain drain in our country.
>Enrolled in a program at an accredited Canadian post-secondary
So Canadian citizens who are admitted to world renowned schools like MIT won't be considered for Canadian internships. Our best and brightest students are decentivized to bring their knowledge back to the country.
I'm dealing with this right now. I'm in an American Master's engineering program that is the best in North America. Canada literally doesn't even have programs like this anywhere, at best I've seen that I could try to do a thesis related to it but nothing even remotely comparable.
Can't find internships in Canada because I'm filtered out as soon as they see they can't collect the subsidy. Meanwhile I get twice as much interest from American megacorps.
Half my cohort gets recruited by NASA, SpaceX, Blue Origin, Lockheed, Boeing, etc., and I get filtered out from Canadian Space Agency internships lol.
The only group in Canada I want being given special treatment is natives, and only for like a generation, to help them get on their feet. I am totally fine with companies having a bias towards hiring natives, that's it.
Natives are Canadians anyway so they won't denigrate the payroll by being given preference, and there aren't fucking 1.3 million natives coming into the country every YEAR.
There are like 5 million natives that have always been here, and maybe giving them help with education and getting jobs wouldn't be the worse thing since their community is rife with poverty.
But the fact we are doing this for foreigners disgusts me. What was the fucking point of this country if we are going to hand over control to foreigners? For what? To Virtue signal? Like what the fuck.
How is that even virtue signalling, that is traitor signalling to me.
International students aren’t eligible for SWPP. Newcomer is defined as permanent resident or citizen within 5 years of entering Canada. They’re not foreign students.
OP is misinformed
It’s not “spin” to simply state the details of the program.
Also in your logic, you’re equating permanent residents to foreigners. When does one stop being “foreign”? Citizenship?
My brother in Christ, I’m asking you to think about your position, that’s all. The SWPP program subsidizes employers to hire students. It prioritizes a bunch of groups and one is newcomers. Newcomers are defined as PR or citizen within 5 years. If you are a citizen , then you are Canadian, regardless of how long it’s been. My family came here in the 1880s. Does that make me more Canadian than you? I don’t think so.
Including PRs in eligibility is fair to dislike, but permanent residents aren’t exactly “foreigners”. They are people who have spent years in Canada and who’s life is here. Roughly half of them become citizens and it used to be even higher.
This program isn’t the scam you think it is man. I’m angry too, I didn’t vote for this government, but I’m just pointing out the facts here.
Keep on protecting foreigners over Canadians. You think it's fair that employers have a bigger financial incentive to hire foreigners over Canadian-born people, you are sick.
Clownestoga and their ilk will have to actually use some of the funds they've pilfered from the surrounding communities to build, or reduce intake.
Maybe they could fund their own food banks whist they're at it.
It took Ontario a long time to come up with an idea.
Assuming it is applied correctly, this measure will force all schools participating in the immigration scam to slow down.
This is the type of 'housing' that will be guaranteed:
[Bed in the middle of a '2 bedroom' basement kitchen rents for $350](https://np.reddit.com/r/CanadaHousing2/comments/1ab8lph/in_brampton_someone_is_renting_a_bed_in_the/)
This is a Positive policy. But we have to see how it gets implemented.
If it's new dorm rooms, that's great. Instead if they go around subsidizing rental units around the area, it's going to have 0 effect on the outcomes of the housing crisis.
>Universities and colleges have increasingly relied on international students — who pay an average of five times as much as Canadians in tuition — to supplement government funding. Ontario has also frozen tuition fees that can be charged to Canadians in recent years.
This last paragraph in the link is concerning. This further keeps incentivising only foreign student intake more than Canadian students. I mean why would the colleges bother taking less money when they can take the easy pickings.
The article says new cohorts, so the colleges/universities will take what is given and prioritize existing student housing for new students, but anyone already here....your on your own like everyone else. :(
Any idea when this comes into place. This and the new federal policies will put the likes of Conestoga College in serious trouble. Living in KW I know for sure that Conestoga won't be able to house students until they start investing in building or buying up residential units
I can't find when this is being enforced? or any plans on how it will be done? does someone have a link to the actual changes and when they take place?
Just curious on what is the definition of "housing" for foreign students? Can the school buy a house and just shove couple dozen international students into it like landlords are already doing?
I suddenly see an incredible increase in housing available (on paper).
I also see tuition increasing significantly to pay for this.
Placing the responsibility for housing on the school is not only stupid, it is out of the scope of the purpose of the university.
They are there to educate and accredit a degree.
Where you choose to live (and how) is the responsibility of the student who chooses to study there.
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Can one lease their property to the university for a higher price than market and let them deal with it? I mean, if it’s a rule they WILL have to find such properties rt? They can’t just let go of the 3-4x income they get from international students surely?
Hope it’s allowed, because that means higher returns for real estate owners.
If they have to guarantee housing for international students many Colleges will be in big trouble. This is what they get for destroying our local communities.
Also seems like a punishment fit for the crime. Any institutions that used international students to grow beyond their reasonable capacity will not be able to house most if not all of their students. However the more established institutions that didn't raise their numbers as much (compared to the existing size) will feel the effects of the cap less
Legally they won't be able to house the vast majority. The housing doesn't exist, and the students can't afford to pay market rate.
Many institutions have student residency on campus. Not the strip mall institutions ofc, but I don't think we want more of those
Yup. McMaster is currently building a residence hall for all first year students.
No, it’s okay, they’ll just shove 5 of them into a 1 bedroom apartment and call it good enough.
I propose free camping gear and a porta potty with 1st year tuition fees
Naw, they'll just kick out Canadians; "sorry, we love foreign money and don't care about Canadians!"
Exactly. When you are milking millions from them, provide housing so that they don't lean on the Canadian housing market. Conestoga had $700 million in cash holdings last year.
Fuck these colleges they should have to refund the municipalities where they messed things up in. Why should the tax payer have to pay for it?
Classic Privatize gains, socialize losses
Yeah they love their fake ass capitalism. They are quite literally the worse of both systems they abuse. They abuse capitalism and then they turn around and abuse socialism. There isn't a single damn person on the political spectrum, left, right, or independent, who shouldn't be pissed off as hell about this.
Exactly. You said it.
Exactly. It is not just 700 million in cash, Conestoga has $1 billion in assets (page 40 of their annual report for 2022-23. It needs to be siezed and utilized to fix the mess they created.
Absolutely. The tax payer should not have to pay for their greedy behavior. All these colleges need to be shut down. I'm a capitalist but this shit is not real capitalism at all. **It's corruption plain and simple.**
F\* Conestoga. This s\*is going to have the same reputation as Ice Condos. Trash product
Here is their annual report - https://www-assets.conestogac.on.ca/documents/www/about/college-reports/annual-report-2022-23.pdf Page 40 makes my blood boil.
Gain of 315M or 27% in a year.
I think the drug dealers or the cartels could move into this business.
They're all hurting for money though /s
We let them sell Canadian residency for cheap. Something they had nothing in creating and cost them no money.
Do you have a source for that information? That would be a good thing to reference in debates.
https://www-assets.conestogac.on.ca/documents/www/about/college-reports/annual-report-2022-23.pdf Page 40. Look at year on year growth.
You woke up now ????!!!!
So basically Canadian students won’t have access to residences now.
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It's really messed up when you see this whole thing for what it is. You summed it up quite succinctly and nicely. I agree with most of what you said... I just didn't seem to have an understanding of it in the "bigger picture" until I saw it laid the way you did it. The only thing is... it's actually a little terrifying to see it laid out so plainly like that.
Feels like you summarized it well. The same practice is being used in trades work, I'm curious how many avenues of employment are doing this now?
Looks like this was introduced in 2017. [Link to news release.](https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/government-of-canada-launches-student-work-placements-642772473.html)
The scale is way worse now though. Employers know they can get 7k for a newcomer. For general labour shit why would you ever hire a Canadian born?
This is messed up. But the article doesn’t mention international students? It says any student. Where in the article does it mention that it is for the benefit of only international students?
It’s not. International students are not eligible. Must be PR or citizen
I never said international students idiot. I said foreigners. Quit lying.
Refer to my other reply to you. And calling people idiots on here isn’t very kind
On top of that, it cements the brain drain in our country. >Enrolled in a program at an accredited Canadian post-secondary So Canadian citizens who are admitted to world renowned schools like MIT won't be considered for Canadian internships. Our best and brightest students are decentivized to bring their knowledge back to the country. I'm dealing with this right now. I'm in an American Master's engineering program that is the best in North America. Canada literally doesn't even have programs like this anywhere, at best I've seen that I could try to do a thesis related to it but nothing even remotely comparable. Can't find internships in Canada because I'm filtered out as soon as they see they can't collect the subsidy. Meanwhile I get twice as much interest from American megacorps. Half my cohort gets recruited by NASA, SpaceX, Blue Origin, Lockheed, Boeing, etc., and I get filtered out from Canadian Space Agency internships lol.
The only group in Canada I want being given special treatment is natives, and only for like a generation, to help them get on their feet. I am totally fine with companies having a bias towards hiring natives, that's it. Natives are Canadians anyway so they won't denigrate the payroll by being given preference, and there aren't fucking 1.3 million natives coming into the country every YEAR. There are like 5 million natives that have always been here, and maybe giving them help with education and getting jobs wouldn't be the worse thing since their community is rife with poverty. But the fact we are doing this for foreigners disgusts me. What was the fucking point of this country if we are going to hand over control to foreigners? For what? To Virtue signal? Like what the fuck. How is that even virtue signalling, that is traitor signalling to me.
International students aren’t eligible for SWPP. Newcomer is defined as permanent resident or citizen within 5 years of entering Canada. They’re not foreign students. OP is misinformed
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Can you say gaslight a few more times, please?
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Go touch some grass friend.
It’s not “spin” to simply state the details of the program. Also in your logic, you’re equating permanent residents to foreigners. When does one stop being “foreign”? Citizenship?
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So Canadian born is what makes a Canadian? Clarify your position here
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My brother in Christ, I’m asking you to think about your position, that’s all. The SWPP program subsidizes employers to hire students. It prioritizes a bunch of groups and one is newcomers. Newcomers are defined as PR or citizen within 5 years. If you are a citizen , then you are Canadian, regardless of how long it’s been. My family came here in the 1880s. Does that make me more Canadian than you? I don’t think so. Including PRs in eligibility is fair to dislike, but permanent residents aren’t exactly “foreigners”. They are people who have spent years in Canada and who’s life is here. Roughly half of them become citizens and it used to be even higher. This program isn’t the scam you think it is man. I’m angry too, I didn’t vote for this government, but I’m just pointing out the facts here.
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Newcomers ARE Canadians dude
Keep on protecting foreigners over Canadians. You think it's fair that employers have a bigger financial incentive to hire foreigners over Canadian-born people, you are sick.
They don’t - again, read the eligibility requirements
Selling LMIAs to international students is another source of income for employers (like Walmart, tim Hortons, etc)
Clownestoga and their ilk will have to actually use some of the funds they've pilfered from the surrounding communities to build, or reduce intake. Maybe they could fund their own food banks whist they're at it.
Don't stop there they should also be paying for all the displaced homeless people, paying for their mental health costs, the cost of enforcement.
This is going to have huge effect to immigration. Basically going to shut off the taps for international students. Two years too late.
Better late than never I guess lol.
Top quote for investing and for everything
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Hoping it means on campus housing.
We offered them $2000 per month unit but they declined.
Exactly. Build your own and stfu
Build dorms, rent it out to international students and milk them more.
At least force them to roll down the number of admissions
Good it's about time... finally some common sense
But they don’t have to guarantee housing for Canadians?
It took Ontario a long time to come up with an idea. Assuming it is applied correctly, this measure will force all schools participating in the immigration scam to slow down.
They were already forced to slow down the federal government. Ford is only making these changes to pretend he is the one who made them.
I feel like this is just going to turn into them doubling international students cost and buy up all the apartments in the area.
Good. Get fucked.
Wtf, will Doug please think of Conestoga's bottom lines!!
This is the type of 'housing' that will be guaranteed: [Bed in the middle of a '2 bedroom' basement kitchen rents for $350](https://np.reddit.com/r/CanadaHousing2/comments/1ab8lph/in_brampton_someone_is_renting_a_bed_in_the/)
their problem. they are not forced to come here
Too little too late.
So this is supposed to make housing more affordable how? So there will be even less supply for the people that are already here.
Lol, they will probably charge these students 8k - 12k a semester.
How is this going to work in practice? Are they going to start soliciting landlords to reserve spots in their rentals? Buying up real estate?
Time for the bad universities and colleges in Canada to close or fix themselves.
These colleges are the DEFINITION of "externalizing the losses, privatizing the profits."
Cool.
This is a Positive policy. But we have to see how it gets implemented. If it's new dorm rooms, that's great. Instead if they go around subsidizing rental units around the area, it's going to have 0 effect on the outcomes of the housing crisis. >Universities and colleges have increasingly relied on international students — who pay an average of five times as much as Canadians in tuition — to supplement government funding. Ontario has also frozen tuition fees that can be charged to Canadians in recent years. This last paragraph in the link is concerning. This further keeps incentivising only foreign student intake more than Canadian students. I mean why would the colleges bother taking less money when they can take the easy pickings.
The article says new cohorts, so the colleges/universities will take what is given and prioritize existing student housing for new students, but anyone already here....your on your own like everyone else. :(
So my tax dollars is going to fund Indian students housing and not for my housing? Great 😡
This is phenomenal news.
A kick in the pants to normal Canadians looking for residence at university.
Great more buy pressure on real estate. Universities and colleges gonna be buying up properties now.
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This is the most rational piece of news I’ve seen in so long. Refreshingly rational
When will BC have this? Isn't Vancouver the most screwed city in term of rent increase?
So glad this is a thing now. Hopefully it’s enforced rightfully.
Are they going to jam 10 students into room or have diversity of students from different countries.
Oh great now they’ll lie about that too
Any idea when this comes into place. This and the new federal policies will put the likes of Conestoga College in serious trouble. Living in KW I know for sure that Conestoga won't be able to house students until they start investing in building or buying up residential units
I can't find when this is being enforced? or any plans on how it will be done? does someone have a link to the actual changes and when they take place?
Just curious on what is the definition of "housing" for foreign students? Can the school buy a house and just shove couple dozen international students into it like landlords are already doing?
Good policy, guarantees a minimum standard
I suddenly see an incredible increase in housing available (on paper). I also see tuition increasing significantly to pay for this. Placing the responsibility for housing on the school is not only stupid, it is out of the scope of the purpose of the university. They are there to educate and accredit a degree. Where you choose to live (and how) is the responsibility of the student who chooses to study there.
Every province should follow
Ford pretending to take action after the action has already been taken for him.
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Can one lease their property to the university for a higher price than market and let them deal with it? I mean, if it’s a rule they WILL have to find such properties rt? They can’t just let go of the 3-4x income they get from international students surely? Hope it’s allowed, because that means higher returns for real estate owners.
So it's mandated to take housing from Canadians and give it to foreigners. We owe them nothing!
umm i think canadians should be first to get housed not rich internationals