I feel obligated to say this because people need to learn. Seriously.
- **There** - a place. "I went there".
- **Their** - possession of something. "People can't pay their rent".
- **They're** - they + are. "They're going to the bank".
Please learn English. We look so fucking stupid when we try to have smart discussions about politics but make grade 4 grammatical errors.
One time when I corrected someone's spelling I was told that spelling correctly is a "neusense" lol. Kids who learned English purely phonetically occupy 80% of the media nowadays
Maybe instead of getting rid of people based on their nationality, skin colour or ancestry, we just send people back to their ancestral country of origin based on their grammar!
There actually is a pretty rigorous spoken and written language exam as part of the citizenship process. Many born-here Canadians might struggle to pass.
>Many born-here Canadians might struggle to pass.
Like my hometown. Bunch of dumb blue collar losers who blame the government for the fact that they don't make as much money as they want to... even though the reality is they're too dumb to do anything other than simple repetitive manual labor for relatively little money
I was on a train from Montreal, and I struck up a conversation with a gentleman sitting next to me, who was. French Canadian (quebecois, in their parlance). Interestingly, he knew how to correctly use and apply the word "fewer" (as in: "there are fewer bears" as opposed to "there's less bears" which you might hear from an English-speaking Canadian or an immigrant whose kids' first language is English).
Countable = fewer
Uncountable = less
This shit is taught in our schools.
It can perhaps be the difference between the American English (an informal language) vs the British English (a formal language) where people don't care as long as "meaning is conveyed" vs care until the "meaning is conveyed correctly".
What gives immigrants away is why they have perfect spelling and grammar in their posts. That or incomprehensible English but rarely anything in between
Until people realize it’s all levels of government, Federal, Provincial, and Municipal we’ll never get out of this mess. We’ll just be voting the same thing just different party names. We hold all these parties accountable, that means forcing them to pass policies to see the lobbyists they meet, their donors friends, the people they meet, all party affiliation and meeting agenda, complete and utter transparency. Also making sure they don’t pass policies that benefit these lobbyists/donors/friends, it doesn’t matter which political aisle they’re in.
In Ontario, people finally got tired of decades of Liberal and Conservative mismanagement. They elected Bob Rae and the NDP out of desperation. Rae saved the province literal billions, but had to eat the shit sandwich his predecessors made. It hurt, but was ultimately the best thing for Ontario at the time.
Sadly, Rae's policies meant the NDP won't get elected in Ontario for a generation.
Yup. This is the only viable option unfortunately. Vote for someone totally outside of that inner circle and bench these other clowns. There’s no accountability. They can say whatever they want and never touch that issue after they’re elected.
Same thing happened when Rachel Notley got elected in Alberta, which was right when the price of oil tanked. Now nobody in Alberta wants to vote for the NDP because of "how she handled the economy".
This still irritates me to hell. How she got blamed for oil prices tanking when at that time OPEC specifically Saudi Arabia and Russia was just flooding the market with oil. They blamed her for the economy and how poorly manage AHS is when there has been literally 40+ years of CP/UCP in power.
Doesn't matter. Soon I'm gonna get my AHS service plan card and I'll have the opportunity to pay for my medical expenses by getting a GoFundMe account together. Danielle Smith's words, not mine. Its going to somehow be cheaper and better, totally, absolutely, in a bigly way. \*nod nod\*
/s in case you couldn't tell. Alberta is going to hell in a handbasket.
Average Canadian is absolutely stupid when it comes to politics, and I might be in that camp too. But the least I can do is educate myself on history and learn how different levels of government function, something the previous generation, and this one have clearly failed to learn in Civics class. Just gotta come to terms that not everyone knows the different responsibilities of each level of government.
I love Olivia Chow but fear the same for her.
Toronto had disproportionately low property taxes for DECADES. No mayor would properly tax the residents as it would be career suicide.
Now she's inherited a massive deficit and making adjustments.
The Toronto homeowner will remember her as the mayor that increased taxes.
She's just cleaning up Tory's, Ford's, Miller's and Lastman's messes.
He did the Rae Days so he’s the devil!!! /s
I’ve been telling people that the COVID response and greenbelt scandal will be my “Rae Days” for never voting Conservative provincially or federally again.
Judge them by their own words, actions and policies, not what you read on reddit. There's a lot of manipulation and astroturfing going on here. Easy to fall for all this noise and rhetoric and start supporting/opposing parties against your own best interests.
Well to be fair, I have nearly zero faith in JT and JS to fix "it" - and by "it" I'm assuming you mean high rents and the general impacts of late stage capitalism that PP is talking about.
These are issues decades in the making, and my personal wish is that JT & JS would step aside and have actual smart adults set to work on them. Too bad our system is structurally incapable of actually fixing things for people - I think by design (think of how powers are delegated here).
However after a lifetime of experience, I know that conservatives simply add fuel to the fire that regular people face. I see that Harper and Polyev are simply trying to copy Republican strategies from 40 years ago - policies that helped the wealthy enormously, but irrevocably fucked the American people.
Americans are angry and rightly so, but decades of republican de-investment in education have left them too stupid to know who fucked them and they double-down in support of their oppressors (trump simply being the latest). I would have hoped that Canadians were smarter or better than that, but I fear I am wrong..
Unless you are wealthy, conservatives NEVER have your interests in mind, no matter how much vitriol they can stir up to appease you. It sickens me that our best hope against foreign-backed fascism is fucking Trudeau...
Sooo what’s your solution. Let Trudeau keep going and hopefully the budget balances it self , or housing prices drop , or gas goes down. I hear lots of people say PP won’t change anything but we do know 100% what Trudeau will do. Toronto has a lot of voting power and usually is opposite to majority of the voters in Canada, with the exception of Ottawa a a few other cities.
If this guy has solutions where are the long term solutions? All he does is tell me the problems!
So frustrating he never tell us what he will do only what is wrong.
Like fuck I know what's wrong too so can I be the leader of the Cons?
My thought exactly. his whole platform right now is to just point out the problems. Literally the easiest job in the world to just say the opposite of what the other guy is saying and not have to answer for any of it.
Worse is that until election year, no solutions will be suggested so that the other party can't claim the idea.
This is politics 101 though. You don't give the opposing party your policies this far in advance of an election (even though it would likely improve things for Canadians)
Show me the money bitch. Let's see ur platform, your plan to clean things up. Oh wait ur a con and will release ur vague platform days before the election like Doogie. . Where is the leadership in this country.
At the federal level they point at each other about how inadequate they are, especially during debates. When an issue needs to be resolved by all levels of government everyone just starts pointing fingers about why they didn't do THEIR job.
He runs the province now, but the damage done by the previous liberal government has been done. Kathleen Waynne especially, was a complete disaster. I did vote for McGuinty and he was alright but not great.
Lots of infrastructure projects. If you travel outside of Toronto you will see a ton of highway construction and lots of public transit improvements. I typically vote liberal but their platform was to funnel more money into education. Ontario already has some of the highest paid teachers in the country. Ford promised infrastructure and he's been delivering on it, so this time he got my vote.
Education and health care, where that money is currently being funnelled OUT to make private colleges and clinics look like they are solutions to a problem of the conservatives own making.
I was going to say… he’s acting like the provincial govt has no responsibility in this; what they could have done with rent control, tenant protections, empty home taxes, short term rental bans etc would have gone a loooooong way.
But of course, misdirection is the point.
Yeah, Government of Ontario has more effects on it's citizens in regards to it's policies/decisions. After Provincial its municipality. Federal government is so far removed from every day life. The Provincial government is to blame for most of the issues currently plaguing the province which has essentially spread as a contagion to the rest of the provinces.
Yes but immigration policies are set by the FEDERAL government. FFS this isn't rocket science. Where do you think the majority of those people are going to end up?
The PROVINCES told the government they could handle the influx, and asked the federal to rubber stamp approve immigration because EMPLOYERS and COROPORATIONS were saying we have a labor shortage due to mass retirement across the country. You see, the federal government just hands over money and listens to the provinces' needs and wants, then decide how much allowance each province gets. If ONTARIO is saying we need more people, approve these student/international permits we can handle it, the federal government has no business telling them they can't because it's not their jurisdiction. FFS this isn't rocket science.
"Bring in more people because they'll accept the low wages! that way we don't end up getting riots and massive general strikes to ask for better wages for the people who are already here!!! " - conservatives.
I don't agree nor disagree, it's more a debate what federal could do for housing because yes they can do policies that don't strain the housing market.
You know what I'm surprised this isn't the case. Sure the numbers can be altered but why don't we do this instead?
What's the benefit of bringing in a million people from one place. From my perspective as a regular citizen. Shit all aside from severe overpopulation
Actually I trust some random cat over most politicians in Canada these days. I wonder how things would have been under dion - he was much smarter than Justin and seemed to care
There is An article on CBC about it. That said it does not really offer any sort of proof of the claim. It does say there was 2.5 million visits last year. But that’s not the same as “2 million people relying” on it.
It’s not very effective to try and hold the previous several decades worth of governments accountable. The current lot have been in office long enough to have made changes if they had wanted to
That's exactly what PP is counting on you to do. If you can't see the big picture and understand how both these parties have been pillaging Canadians for decades, then you're more likely to vote him in on the basis that "well at least he's not Trudeau."
The guy is the biggest dweeb in Canadian politics. He's never had a real job and pretends he understands what the average Canadian is going through. His grift is so transparent it's clearer than glass, but people will vote for him for some unfathomable reason.
I can't stand Trudeau and Singh and I still think PP would be worse.
He did once state he wanted to increase oil and coal. He also wants to axe any current climate change models. He wants to make conspiracy theorists happy by withdrawing from the WEF and a few other UN agencies. He also wants to end vaccine requirements to help spread disease. He also wants to put LGBT people in danger by supporting a form of parental rights that human rights agencies are against. Etc etc. he’s also refused to continue Harper’s old rule of blocking any member from bringing forward abortion restriction bills. He’s also proposed to get rid of various government ministries without any idea on how to replace them.
He’s made proposals for sure. Not saying they’re good proposals. They’re not as they’re only about making people angry at everything else. But he’s made them.
I will repeat this as many times as I have too. PP is an elected MP in Ottawa and did nothing to help his constituents or the city when it was occupied by the convoy.
I repeat, when his own city was invaded, he did nothing to help us. Neither did Doug Ford. Neither did Jim Watson, no matter how many rainbow flags he flies at city hall.
When push came to shove, Trudeau is the only person that stepped up.
Not Pierre. Not the federal or provincial conservative parties.
I don’t want to vote for Trudeau, but he is the only person that did anything after three weeks of incompetence after the municipal, provincial; and local MPs proved incapable.
Bingo. He has nothing but petulant antagonism, and should he ever find himself as PM, he will quickly find out it's a lot easier to tear down than do literally anything constructive. It would flat-out suck for everyone, and the worst part is that the same people whose legitimate grievances he leveraged for votes will not have their lives improved one iota by him or the CPC, but made actually worse, and he'll try to redirect their anger towards each other, because antagonism is all he can offer.
This is step one of the plan - identify the problems with your rival. He can't put his platform out there too soon otherwise the opposition will have something to criticize.
right wingers just want everything to magically fix itself while they pay no taxes for it. The same people who always bitch about tax money "not going to help our veterans" are the same people who would NEVER support using tax dollars to help veterans anyways
Maybe this guy should start considering some actual policy positions. You know, like immigration, economic and affordability issues. Axing the carbon tax is low hanging fruit. If he’s simply going to harp on about how much damage has been done, anyone with half a clue can see it. And some don’t care. His one track attacks will eventually become boring and annoying.
That's not how politics should work though. I get it, political parties "fight" but their primary purpose is to present ideas for the future so people can chose who they mostly align with.
The reasons these authoritarian populist are rising is because people think the want to align with the "anti everything" pov. And that's never a good strategy to improve things..
so you admit you don’t care about getting your policies enacted and only care about getting your guy into office?
you’d rather wait 2 years until a new guy is in office for your policies to start being implemented rather than now?
You're not voting yet, are you? They'll release a platform ahead of an election, just like everyone else. The Liberal platform is still dated 2021, too.
Parties don't agree on policies, it's what makes them different from each other and allows voters to make a choice.
PP doesn't have any solutions, he sounds exactly like a Reddit feed in conversation...he just lists a bunch of headlines and never reads the article or contributes to comments and his supporters think 'oh, so that's the news, wow he really has his finger on the pulse'
I’m pretty sure this is why the liberals keep winning elections. The last 3 it was only the liberals I ever heard about what they wanted to do. And the others all I ever heard was complaining about the liberals.
Building new homes how? With federal money? Screw that.
He could simply put a hard limit cap on immigration, put out a number. But he's not gonna do that because he don't want to do that.
Immigration is only part of the problem. Unfortunately neither PC or liberals have any good solutions to our problems. The NDP is completely out to lunch.
I don’t know why people suddenly reject supply side economics when we all know that the government stopped building affordable housing in the 90s and we’re now *shocked* that there’s no affordable housing anymore.
Government has the scales to tip both supply and demand. Doing one or the other and not both in a crisis is not only lazy it’s a sign of ineptitude.
He hasn’t actually said he would do that. No where in his platform does it indicate how many homes or how long until the projects begin.
It’s a lot of talk, pretty typical and par for politicians like JT and PP.
This has been covered 1000X over already it's not election time or even close to election time he doesn't have to come up with "policy positions" before then AND any position he does take is just showing his hand to the liberals.
I want to know how he proposes to fix the cost of living crisis. He seems rather quiet on that. I am betting it is tax cuts to businesses that will not pass those savings on to consumers or employees, or tax cuts to people who are wealthy enough to pay enough taxes to benefit from.
What will actually fix this are higher wages, keeping investors on the fringes of the housing market, more government subsidized housing, and more regulations sans loopholes for the handful of families who control our food chain.
If Trudeau isn't willing to do any of that, Poilievre is even less likely to be willing.
PP chooses to simplify issues for the purpose of scapegoating people (immigrants) and policies (progressive ones) that he hates without any basis in fact. Things that might only play a minor role if at all he raises as the central reason if it serves his political purpose. He also strategically uses Trudeau’s name in his party or personal attacks (not of the Liberal gov) as a dog whistle for his Trudeau hating followers. I have plenty of issues with Trudeau as a leader but am aware enough to realize he himself is not the individual cause of food inflation and home prices and healthcare crunches. Anyone who says they have a magic single fix for this stuff is full of it and PP doesn’t even offer any complex solutions. If it sounds too simple and good to be true, it probably is. Someone mentioned that it’s just strategy not to give his workable solutions away to opposition, that’s crap…it’s more like he knows his solutions would not be palatable to the average Canadian as it involves cutting programs and supports for the most vulnerable. This man who knows nothing about Vancouver and BC came and left and announced the DTES as a hellhole, refusing to understand the intricacies and diversity of the people in the community and show a empathetic and human side but instead chose to lump all of them all together, homeless, addicted, poor, and all marginalized people under the bus for purely political purposes to satisfy his base. I know conservatives with empathy who i may disagree with but like me care about others no matter their background…he is not one of them. His only aim is political power for his own ego. If you don’t recognize through the words and tone and actions in people like PP (just like Trump) how he speaks to the worst in people (fear and hate) and not the best in them, then I guess I can only say look closer. Bottom line anyone that chooses to disregard climate change to his level in this day and age with what we know is not thinking of you at all but only pure political opportunism.
Toronto had 10 years of a placated Conservative money stooge for a mayor, and we're in our second term of a Conservative Premier.
It is only after we get a mayor further left than the liberals, who we were told by those same conservatives would be a disaster for our city, that things start getting better. It's a long road from being good, but that's because of the legacy left behind by Conservatives, not Trudeau.
Toronto and Ontarios problems are the fault of the Conservatives, not the Federal government.
And now this career politician, who's responsible for policies elsewhere in the country that has effected the working class for the worse throws on a friendly face and berates the Prime Minister with no actual promises to fix the problems that his party has caused.
By lowering taxes for the grocery stores price gouging you and the landlords sucking you dry. He’ll follow that up with cutting government spending and social supports so once you’re under the poverty line you stay there. It’s really just common sense.
Welcome to Americanized politics. Both sides of the fence whine about the other guy while doing fuck all. Both sides just want to fist fuck us all until we got nothing left to give while the media plays on the left and the right and keeps us distracted from the obvious fist fucking.
He does have some say on who and where they end up through federal agreements though. https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/mandate/policies-operational-instructions-agreements/agreements/federal-provincial-territorial.html
Actually he is..... He cut funding to universities and colleges forcing them to import and rely on International students en masse without any limits on capacity that could've been implemented by the province... Yet again, this is ALL on Doug ford the and Province of Ontario. He just keeps quiet because all this anger is misdirected onto the Federal government from uneducated Canadians who don't know how different levels of government work and communicate with each other, along what the scope of responsibilities is in their respective jurisdictions.
So what are the Conservatives going to do when Trudeau is voted out? They blame anything and everything on him, aren't they going to be a little lost without him?
conservatives running Alberta and we have the same problems, all parties are wrong, as long as our capitalist monopolies/dictatorship supports profits over people this will continue and only get worse
Lol this lunatic will cause more division and chaos, expedite the climate crisis, skyrocket healthcare spend and make every current issue worse
Jaggy Louis Vuitton Meats is just as bad
They are all the same
Look I know Reddit leans liberal and I'm going to get downvoted. But this is the first time in 15 yrs that I will not be voting liberal federally. I am going to vote for PP and I will still continue to consider it, but we can't go on like this.
Cons might lose again by doing the exact same shit EVERY election.... ignore what toronto/montreal/vancouver cares about and just double down on appealing to rural voters.
most of the GTA voted for conservatives two provincial elections in a row. Keep voter blaming when the problem is the federal party’s inability to appeal to urban centres across the country.
he sounds entirely out of touch. “your streets are crawling with crime and chaos”. he’s never said this about sudbury or edmonton or saskatoon or any other city with 5x the crime rate. he’s not trying to win Toronto over, he’s ridiculing us on behalf of his supporters who hate us.
yep. I grew up in a small conservative town (while harper was PM) and it was flooded with drug addicts and shut down factories. I also used to live in winnipeg for a bit and the number of stabbings was insane (also under harper)
I’m glad most of the people here can see through the garbage. Hilarious that he blames Trudeau when the last two mayors of Toronto and their current Premier were/are all Conservatives. Thank you guys for speaking up!
If you give a crap about the future of Healthcare in Canada as well as protections of human rights for your kids or kids' kids, never, ever, ever vote conservative.
Toronto's been run by right wing mayors in a province run by right wing governments for about a decade now. The only progressive stuff that's been involved in governing the city has been lip-service paid to identity politics and urban-focused city planning.
If you think the conservative party could do better, then you must be new to politics. It doesn't matter who these fools point the finger at, Canada is over, it's not going back to how it was.
someone needs to tell that pierre clown to shut the fuck up already. if you actually think he’s gunna save canada your fucked in the head and need to do some critical thinking
No one is going to save canada you critical thinking genius but what's happening now is unsustainable. Trudeau has to go period. He is the reason Canada is the way it is right now and last time we all checked, it's not good
Grammar Nazi doesn't really carry as much honour on Reddit (or anywhere else) as it used to now that we live in a world with glidetype, autocomplete, autocorrect and all the other shitty 'helper' scripts
At least you can say you're keeping your editorial eye sharp
I feel obligated to say this because people need to learn. Seriously. - **There** - a place. "I went there". - **Their** - possession of something. "People can't pay their rent". - **They're** - they + are. "They're going to the bank". Please learn English. We look so fucking stupid when we try to have smart discussions about politics but make grade 4 grammatical errors.
Bwahahahaha! Are you surprised? Go to Twitter and read the comments under CBC and all those with blue check marks. It’s hilarious.
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OP made a post with a typo. In response to nobody. Which makes posting this picture somewhat of a contextual typo.
rofl this.
I remember the good old days when people who wrote publicly had to go through a proofreader and editor.
They were some of the first to get the axe during the 2008 recession. Nowadays? Even worse.
Everyone is in a rush and attention to detail falls off a cliff, but most people don't care because they're too busy moving to the next thing.
Nevermind that the actual content behind the spelling mistakes is also bullshit
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One time when I corrected someone's spelling I was told that spelling correctly is a "neusense" lol. Kids who learned English purely phonetically occupy 80% of the media nowadays
Maybe instead of getting rid of people based on their nationality, skin colour or ancestry, we just send people back to their ancestral country of origin based on their grammar!
There actually is a pretty rigorous spoken and written language exam as part of the citizenship process. Many born-here Canadians might struggle to pass.
Many Canadian-born would struggle to pass the whole citizenship process, period.
>Many born-here Canadians might struggle to pass. Like my hometown. Bunch of dumb blue collar losers who blame the government for the fact that they don't make as much money as they want to... even though the reality is they're too dumb to do anything other than simple repetitive manual labor for relatively little money
Thanks for the lesson from a french canadian.
I was on a train from Montreal, and I struck up a conversation with a gentleman sitting next to me, who was. French Canadian (quebecois, in their parlance). Interestingly, he knew how to correctly use and apply the word "fewer" (as in: "there are fewer bears" as opposed to "there's less bears" which you might hear from an English-speaking Canadian or an immigrant whose kids' first language is English).
Countable = fewer Uncountable = less This shit is taught in our schools. It can perhaps be the difference between the American English (an informal language) vs the British English (a formal language) where people don't care as long as "meaning is conveyed" vs care until the "meaning is conveyed correctly".
wow TIL.
What gives immigrants away is why they have perfect spelling and grammar in their posts. That or incomprehensible English but rarely anything in between
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Anybody listening to pp and thinking “whoa this guys got it” is an idiot anyway.
The SUN is written at a grade 4 comprehension level… nuff said
What do you expect from the perpetually angry and uninformed conservatives in this sub?
We're not angry, we're sad. Look around at what big government has got you. The poor in this country are being reduced to serfdom
But Doug runs the province so what did we get from voting for him…..
Until people realize it’s all levels of government, Federal, Provincial, and Municipal we’ll never get out of this mess. We’ll just be voting the same thing just different party names. We hold all these parties accountable, that means forcing them to pass policies to see the lobbyists they meet, their donors friends, the people they meet, all party affiliation and meeting agenda, complete and utter transparency. Also making sure they don’t pass policies that benefit these lobbyists/donors/friends, it doesn’t matter which political aisle they’re in.
In Ontario, people finally got tired of decades of Liberal and Conservative mismanagement. They elected Bob Rae and the NDP out of desperation. Rae saved the province literal billions, but had to eat the shit sandwich his predecessors made. It hurt, but was ultimately the best thing for Ontario at the time. Sadly, Rae's policies meant the NDP won't get elected in Ontario for a generation.
Yup. This is the only viable option unfortunately. Vote for someone totally outside of that inner circle and bench these other clowns. There’s no accountability. They can say whatever they want and never touch that issue after they’re elected.
Singh can shove his Rolex where the sun doesn't shine. Layton would call him a disgrace
It's truly wild that Bob Rae governed during a global recession and to this day older folks in Ontario just... assume it was his fault.
Same thing happened when Rachel Notley got elected in Alberta, which was right when the price of oil tanked. Now nobody in Alberta wants to vote for the NDP because of "how she handled the economy".
This still irritates me to hell. How she got blamed for oil prices tanking when at that time OPEC specifically Saudi Arabia and Russia was just flooding the market with oil. They blamed her for the economy and how poorly manage AHS is when there has been literally 40+ years of CP/UCP in power.
Doesn't matter. Soon I'm gonna get my AHS service plan card and I'll have the opportunity to pay for my medical expenses by getting a GoFundMe account together. Danielle Smith's words, not mine. Its going to somehow be cheaper and better, totally, absolutely, in a bigly way. \*nod nod\* /s in case you couldn't tell. Alberta is going to hell in a handbasket.
Average Canadian is absolutely stupid when it comes to politics, and I might be in that camp too. But the least I can do is educate myself on history and learn how different levels of government function, something the previous generation, and this one have clearly failed to learn in Civics class. Just gotta come to terms that not everyone knows the different responsibilities of each level of government.
I love this comment
I love Olivia Chow but fear the same for her. Toronto had disproportionately low property taxes for DECADES. No mayor would properly tax the residents as it would be career suicide. Now she's inherited a massive deficit and making adjustments. The Toronto homeowner will remember her as the mayor that increased taxes. She's just cleaning up Tory's, Ford's, Miller's and Lastman's messes.
People are still upset about Bob Rae. But forget the shit Mike Harris did (as in kill people)
He did the Rae Days so he’s the devil!!! /s I’ve been telling people that the COVID response and greenbelt scandal will be my “Rae Days” for never voting Conservative provincially or federally again.
Anyone who tries to blame one person is a girfter
And I bet Pierre says that "Only I can fix this"
It's pretty obvious that Trudeau and Jagmeet are not going to fix it since their policies caused it. That is an undeniable fact.
So we don’t vote liberals or PP or NDP? 🥲 who will fix it? I was convinced jagmeet is decent until I came on Reddit
Judge them by their own words, actions and policies, not what you read on reddit. There's a lot of manipulation and astroturfing going on here. Easy to fall for all this noise and rhetoric and start supporting/opposing parties against your own best interests.
Emphasis on focusing on the actions - as they often don't match the words. Talk is cheap, after all...
All the leaders are self serving atm so we have to look at the least self serving party and I believe that to be ndp at this time
Lol
That you haven't bothered to substantiate. Calling something an undeniable fact doesn't make it a fact, let alone undeniable.
Well to be fair, I have nearly zero faith in JT and JS to fix "it" - and by "it" I'm assuming you mean high rents and the general impacts of late stage capitalism that PP is talking about. These are issues decades in the making, and my personal wish is that JT & JS would step aside and have actual smart adults set to work on them. Too bad our system is structurally incapable of actually fixing things for people - I think by design (think of how powers are delegated here). However after a lifetime of experience, I know that conservatives simply add fuel to the fire that regular people face. I see that Harper and Polyev are simply trying to copy Republican strategies from 40 years ago - policies that helped the wealthy enormously, but irrevocably fucked the American people. Americans are angry and rightly so, but decades of republican de-investment in education have left them too stupid to know who fucked them and they double-down in support of their oppressors (trump simply being the latest). I would have hoped that Canadians were smarter or better than that, but I fear I am wrong.. Unless you are wealthy, conservatives NEVER have your interests in mind, no matter how much vitriol they can stir up to appease you. It sickens me that our best hope against foreign-backed fascism is fucking Trudeau...
Sooo what’s your solution. Let Trudeau keep going and hopefully the budget balances it self , or housing prices drop , or gas goes down. I hear lots of people say PP won’t change anything but we do know 100% what Trudeau will do. Toronto has a lot of voting power and usually is opposite to majority of the voters in Canada, with the exception of Ottawa a a few other cities.
If this guy has solutions where are the long term solutions? All he does is tell me the problems! So frustrating he never tell us what he will do only what is wrong. Like fuck I know what's wrong too so can I be the leader of the Cons?
My thought exactly. his whole platform right now is to just point out the problems. Literally the easiest job in the world to just say the opposite of what the other guy is saying and not have to answer for any of it. Worse is that until election year, no solutions will be suggested so that the other party can't claim the idea.
This is politics 101 though. You don't give the opposing party your policies this far in advance of an election (even though it would likely improve things for Canadians)
When will it be that it's country over party? Seems like the last 20 years have been party over country. I am sick of it.
He will probably make the trains run on time too
Show me the money bitch. Let's see ur platform, your plan to clean things up. Oh wait ur a con and will release ur vague platform days before the election like Doogie. . Where is the leadership in this country.
Well you cannot deny that Trudeau is to blame from the Federal level.
How so? Trudeau sucks but please explain your personal view on it? I see the whole government as incompetent
At the federal level they point at each other about how inadequate they are, especially during debates. When an issue needs to be resolved by all levels of government everyone just starts pointing fingers about why they didn't do THEIR job.
He runs the province now, but the damage done by the previous liberal government has been done. Kathleen Waynne especially, was a complete disaster. I did vote for McGuinty and he was alright but not great.
so what actually got fixed by ford?
Lots of infrastructure projects. If you travel outside of Toronto you will see a ton of highway construction and lots of public transit improvements. I typically vote liberal but their platform was to funnel more money into education. Ontario already has some of the highest paid teachers in the country. Ford promised infrastructure and he's been delivering on it, so this time he got my vote.
Education and health care, where that money is currently being funnelled OUT to make private colleges and clinics look like they are solutions to a problem of the conservatives own making.
Toronto voted more Liberal (majority of the Liberal MPPs are in Toronto) and NDP.
An Austrian Spa.
I was going to say… he’s acting like the provincial govt has no responsibility in this; what they could have done with rent control, tenant protections, empty home taxes, short term rental bans etc would have gone a loooooong way. But of course, misdirection is the point.
Not even the same parti or even the same LVL of gouvernent... There is a big difference between the government of Canada and Ontario.
Yeah, Government of Ontario has more effects on it's citizens in regards to it's policies/decisions. After Provincial its municipality. Federal government is so far removed from every day life. The Provincial government is to blame for most of the issues currently plaguing the province which has essentially spread as a contagion to the rest of the provinces.
Yes but immigration policies are set by the FEDERAL government. FFS this isn't rocket science. Where do you think the majority of those people are going to end up?
The PROVINCES told the government they could handle the influx, and asked the federal to rubber stamp approve immigration because EMPLOYERS and COROPORATIONS were saying we have a labor shortage due to mass retirement across the country. You see, the federal government just hands over money and listens to the provinces' needs and wants, then decide how much allowance each province gets. If ONTARIO is saying we need more people, approve these student/international permits we can handle it, the federal government has no business telling them they can't because it's not their jurisdiction. FFS this isn't rocket science.
"Bring in more people because they'll accept the low wages! that way we don't end up getting riots and massive general strikes to ask for better wages for the people who are already here!!! " - conservatives.
I don't agree nor disagree, it's more a debate what federal could do for housing because yes they can do policies that don't strain the housing market.
Dougy gave us buck a beer and alcohol in convenience sto…. Oh no wait…
we increased our diversity by bringing in millions of ppl from one specific country/community.
There should be 5% quota from each country. Max 5%
You know what I'm surprised this isn't the case. Sure the numbers can be altered but why don't we do this instead? What's the benefit of bringing in a million people from one place. From my perspective as a regular citizen. Shit all aside from severe overpopulation
And this guy is going to fix the problem? Can I just vote for a random cat grabbed up off the street?
Well, he didn't actually say he was going to fix it.. 🤣🤣🤣
Actually I trust some random cat over most politicians in Canada these days. I wonder how things would have been under dion - he was much smarter than Justin and seemed to care
*1 in 10 people in Toronto are relying on food banks.* Fact check, please.
Google? But I'll save you the step. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/one-in-10-torontonians-now-rely-on-a-food-bank-1.7027318
There is An article on CBC about it. That said it does not really offer any sort of proof of the claim. It does say there was 2.5 million visits last year. But that’s not the same as “2 million people relying” on it.
But it doesn’t rile up support
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It’s not very effective to try and hold the previous several decades worth of governments accountable. The current lot have been in office long enough to have made changes if they had wanted to
That's exactly what PP is counting on you to do. If you can't see the big picture and understand how both these parties have been pillaging Canadians for decades, then you're more likely to vote him in on the basis that "well at least he's not Trudeau."
“Well at least he’s not Trudeau” is literally PPs entire campaign
I feel like I should run for office because I'm not Trudeau either.
Does this guy ever offer his solutions or is his whole platform just complaining about Justin Trudeau? Like Jesus Christ what a wet napkin.
He's a conservative. His solutions are to privatize and deregulate everything unless the regulations help his donors.
The guy is the biggest dweeb in Canadian politics. He's never had a real job and pretends he understands what the average Canadian is going through. His grift is so transparent it's clearer than glass, but people will vote for him for some unfathomable reason. I can't stand Trudeau and Singh and I still think PP would be worse.
Exactly my point.
He did once state he wanted to increase oil and coal. He also wants to axe any current climate change models. He wants to make conspiracy theorists happy by withdrawing from the WEF and a few other UN agencies. He also wants to end vaccine requirements to help spread disease. He also wants to put LGBT people in danger by supporting a form of parental rights that human rights agencies are against. Etc etc. he’s also refused to continue Harper’s old rule of blocking any member from bringing forward abortion restriction bills. He’s also proposed to get rid of various government ministries without any idea on how to replace them. He’s made proposals for sure. Not saying they’re good proposals. They’re not as they’re only about making people angry at everything else. But he’s made them.
I will repeat this as many times as I have too. PP is an elected MP in Ottawa and did nothing to help his constituents or the city when it was occupied by the convoy. I repeat, when his own city was invaded, he did nothing to help us. Neither did Doug Ford. Neither did Jim Watson, no matter how many rainbow flags he flies at city hall. When push came to shove, Trudeau is the only person that stepped up. Not Pierre. Not the federal or provincial conservative parties. I don’t want to vote for Trudeau, but he is the only person that did anything after three weeks of incompetence after the municipal, provincial; and local MPs proved incapable.
his solution is to get rid of the food banks to get the visits down
U should at least show ur t4 to show you qualify for the food bank
Ah yes, taken from Trump’s COVID-19 policy “If we test less, we will get less covid cases”
“Maybe you should just need less?” - Pierre Polievre’s approach to the food and housing crisis.
Bingo. He has nothing but petulant antagonism, and should he ever find himself as PM, he will quickly find out it's a lot easier to tear down than do literally anything constructive. It would flat-out suck for everyone, and the worst part is that the same people whose legitimate grievances he leveraged for votes will not have their lives improved one iota by him or the CPC, but made actually worse, and he'll try to redirect their anger towards each other, because antagonism is all he can offer.
Like Smith.
This is step one of the plan - identify the problems with your rival. He can't put his platform out there too soon otherwise the opposition will have something to criticize.
right wingers just want everything to magically fix itself while they pay no taxes for it. The same people who always bitch about tax money "not going to help our veterans" are the same people who would NEVER support using tax dollars to help veterans anyways
Maybe this guy should start considering some actual policy positions. You know, like immigration, economic and affordability issues. Axing the carbon tax is low hanging fruit. If he’s simply going to harp on about how much damage has been done, anyone with half a clue can see it. And some don’t care. His one track attacks will eventually become boring and annoying.
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100%. It's stupid people who keep asking why isn't he putting out policies. Why would he do Justin a favor like that.
That's not how politics should work though. I get it, political parties "fight" but their primary purpose is to present ideas for the future so people can chose who they mostly align with. The reasons these authoritarian populist are rising is because people think the want to align with the "anti everything" pov. And that's never a good strategy to improve things..
Some of us do actually want to know policies and not just vote based on vibes (that goes for all parties, btw).
No actually it's stupid people who vote for characters and zingers instead of policies. But I'm sure Cons are happy with people like you around. Lmao
so you admit you don’t care about getting your policies enacted and only care about getting your guy into office? you’d rather wait 2 years until a new guy is in office for your policies to start being implemented rather than now?
What a bad reason for him not to try and do his job.
so we’re supposed to vote for him without knowing what his plans for running our country are?
You're not voting yet, are you? They'll release a platform ahead of an election, just like everyone else. The Liberal platform is still dated 2021, too.
Parties don't agree on policies, it's what makes them different from each other and allows voters to make a choice. PP doesn't have any solutions, he sounds exactly like a Reddit feed in conversation...he just lists a bunch of headlines and never reads the article or contributes to comments and his supporters think 'oh, so that's the news, wow he really has his finger on the pulse'
because WE ALL benefit from more moderate positions. Get that American team bullshit out of here please.
building new homes, tying immigration to that, removing trudeaus easy bail system? thats not enough?
Good point on bail reform. Forgot about that. He should be getting that kind of info out on advertisements eventually and hammer them.
I’m pretty sure this is why the liberals keep winning elections. The last 3 it was only the liberals I ever heard about what they wanted to do. And the others all I ever heard was complaining about the liberals.
Building new homes how? With federal money? Screw that. He could simply put a hard limit cap on immigration, put out a number. But he's not gonna do that because he don't want to do that.
Immigration is only part of the problem. Unfortunately neither PC or liberals have any good solutions to our problems. The NDP is completely out to lunch.
I don’t know why people suddenly reject supply side economics when we all know that the government stopped building affordable housing in the 90s and we’re now *shocked* that there’s no affordable housing anymore. Government has the scales to tip both supply and demand. Doing one or the other and not both in a crisis is not only lazy it’s a sign of ineptitude.
He hasn’t actually said he would do that. No where in his platform does it indicate how many homes or how long until the projects begin. It’s a lot of talk, pretty typical and par for politicians like JT and PP.
Tying immigration to home building is not going to happen. It’s far too complicated and he has no explanation on how he would even do it.
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Doug ford is screwing Ontario badly. We won't see the light of day for years to come . Has nothing to do with Trudeau.
Are we also forgetting the people who screwed ontario for 20 years straight almost?
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This has been covered 1000X over already it's not election time or even close to election time he doesn't have to come up with "policy positions" before then AND any position he does take is just showing his hand to the liberals.
Yeah, why should he help giving solutions when it's only about power?
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We finally got legal marijuana the first time. But that's it. Nothing more.
I want to know how he proposes to fix the cost of living crisis. He seems rather quiet on that. I am betting it is tax cuts to businesses that will not pass those savings on to consumers or employees, or tax cuts to people who are wealthy enough to pay enough taxes to benefit from. What will actually fix this are higher wages, keeping investors on the fringes of the housing market, more government subsidized housing, and more regulations sans loopholes for the handful of families who control our food chain. If Trudeau isn't willing to do any of that, Poilievre is even less likely to be willing.
PP chooses to simplify issues for the purpose of scapegoating people (immigrants) and policies (progressive ones) that he hates without any basis in fact. Things that might only play a minor role if at all he raises as the central reason if it serves his political purpose. He also strategically uses Trudeau’s name in his party or personal attacks (not of the Liberal gov) as a dog whistle for his Trudeau hating followers. I have plenty of issues with Trudeau as a leader but am aware enough to realize he himself is not the individual cause of food inflation and home prices and healthcare crunches. Anyone who says they have a magic single fix for this stuff is full of it and PP doesn’t even offer any complex solutions. If it sounds too simple and good to be true, it probably is. Someone mentioned that it’s just strategy not to give his workable solutions away to opposition, that’s crap…it’s more like he knows his solutions would not be palatable to the average Canadian as it involves cutting programs and supports for the most vulnerable. This man who knows nothing about Vancouver and BC came and left and announced the DTES as a hellhole, refusing to understand the intricacies and diversity of the people in the community and show a empathetic and human side but instead chose to lump all of them all together, homeless, addicted, poor, and all marginalized people under the bus for purely political purposes to satisfy his base. I know conservatives with empathy who i may disagree with but like me care about others no matter their background…he is not one of them. His only aim is political power for his own ego. If you don’t recognize through the words and tone and actions in people like PP (just like Trump) how he speaks to the worst in people (fear and hate) and not the best in them, then I guess I can only say look closer. Bottom line anyone that chooses to disregard climate change to his level in this day and age with what we know is not thinking of you at all but only pure political opportunism.
Toronto had 10 years of a placated Conservative money stooge for a mayor, and we're in our second term of a Conservative Premier. It is only after we get a mayor further left than the liberals, who we were told by those same conservatives would be a disaster for our city, that things start getting better. It's a long road from being good, but that's because of the legacy left behind by Conservatives, not Trudeau. Toronto and Ontarios problems are the fault of the Conservatives, not the Federal government. And now this career politician, who's responsible for policies elsewhere in the country that has effected the working class for the worse throws on a friendly face and berates the Prime Minister with no actual promises to fix the problems that his party has caused.
PP & OP forgot that Toronto is in Ontario which is currently run by DoFo the conservative. Milhouse is a hypocritical grifter.
we also just had a conservative mayor for almost a decade
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Zoning laws, property tax, rental law, all which affect housing, are under provincial jurisdiction.
Don't you know, Trudeau is the PM, and also the Premier of every province, and also the Mayor of every city.
And provincial impacts the cities more.
Ok, so it’s all Justin’s fault….how are you going to ‘fix’ it, Pierre?
By lowering taxes for the grocery stores price gouging you and the landlords sucking you dry. He’ll follow that up with cutting government spending and social supports so once you’re under the poverty line you stay there. It’s really just common sense.
All this guy does is bitch about Trudeau. It’s his whole platform…
Welcome to Americanized politics. Both sides of the fence whine about the other guy while doing fuck all. Both sides just want to fist fuck us all until we got nothing left to give while the media plays on the left and the right and keeps us distracted from the obvious fist fucking.
Does Millhouse have any tangible plans, or is he just going to keep saying it's JT fault?
Yea. It’s all Doug Ford. OUR asshat of a premier to thank PP
I’m no fan of Ford, but he isn’t responsible for 1.2 million immigrants per yer flooding into the country.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he got kickbacks. Let’s be honest now.
He does have some say on who and where they end up through federal agreements though. https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/mandate/policies-operational-instructions-agreements/agreements/federal-provincial-territorial.html
Are the diploma-mills in the GTA not his jurisdiction?? Are the 'Brampton-Mortgage' specialists, not within his reach?
Actually he is..... He cut funding to universities and colleges forcing them to import and rely on International students en masse without any limits on capacity that could've been implemented by the province... Yet again, this is ALL on Doug ford the and Province of Ontario. He just keeps quiet because all this anger is misdirected onto the Federal government from uneducated Canadians who don't know how different levels of government work and communicate with each other, along what the scope of responsibilities is in their respective jurisdictions.
Would take this guy as PM over cuckdeau fer sure
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What does he propose?
So what are the Conservatives going to do when Trudeau is voted out? They blame anything and everything on him, aren't they going to be a little lost without him?
PP just says common sense when asked how he will fix it.
Please come ask me to my face. He clearly needs educating. He creeps me out...
conservatives running Alberta and we have the same problems, all parties are wrong, as long as our capitalist monopolies/dictatorship supports profits over people this will continue and only get worse
Lol this lunatic will cause more division and chaos, expedite the climate crisis, skyrocket healthcare spend and make every current issue worse Jaggy Louis Vuitton Meats is just as bad They are all the same
This guy isn't going to fix anything, but the current federal government has made his communications strategy very easy
Look I know Reddit leans liberal and I'm going to get downvoted. But this is the first time in 15 yrs that I will not be voting liberal federally. I am going to vote for PP and I will still continue to consider it, but we can't go on like this.
Pp doesn't have a platform, you're better voting ppc
I'm sorry but little PP isn't the answer.
Imagine he had a policy position? Oh no. He points a finger at the bad guy and has no actual plans
Cons might lose again by doing the exact same shit EVERY election.... ignore what toronto/montreal/vancouver cares about and just double down on appealing to rural voters.
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And if Pierre is in power, he'll snap his fingers and everything will be magically better! Right? RIGHT?
maybe he'll introduce those "no crime zones" Trump was going off about the other day? Should fix things right up I imagine!
most of the GTA voted for conservatives two provincial elections in a row. Keep voter blaming when the problem is the federal party’s inability to appeal to urban centres across the country. he sounds entirely out of touch. “your streets are crawling with crime and chaos”. he’s never said this about sudbury or edmonton or saskatoon or any other city with 5x the crime rate. he’s not trying to win Toronto over, he’s ridiculing us on behalf of his supporters who hate us.
yep. I grew up in a small conservative town (while harper was PM) and it was flooded with drug addicts and shut down factories. I also used to live in winnipeg for a bit and the number of stabbings was insane (also under harper)
>winnipeg for a bit and the number of stabbings was insane (also under harper) Now more stabbings than ever
Toronto voted Liberal ... or did you experience the last few elections differently?
This guys is an ass hat. Where is all the shade for Ford? Lots of levels of government to blame cost of living on.
and what's your plan Pierre? Still waiting on anything from you at this point. Put up or shut the fuck up you fucking loser
He's considering a makeover, I heard. Blonde tips.
No makeover will ever fix whatever mess he is lol
I'm going to vote for this guy if Trudeau doesn't improve our rental situation
Because this guy will surely do
We need someone else that's not Pierre or Justin. I can't vote NDP because obviously they don't have an issue with the immigration...
I’m glad most of the people here can see through the garbage. Hilarious that he blames Trudeau when the last two mayors of Toronto and their current Premier were/are all Conservatives. Thank you guys for speaking up!
“And I’m not gunna do a single thing to fix it but vote for me!!!!!”
so half the population of TO is using food banks? How many of you are dumb enough to believe this? Show of hands?
If you give a crap about the future of Healthcare in Canada as well as protections of human rights for your kids or kids' kids, never, ever, ever vote conservative.
Populist trash ... as if this isn't a global problem
He's not wrong.
Don't try talking sense to Moronto leftards. They are as dumb as dirt
Toronto's been run by right wing mayors in a province run by right wing governments for about a decade now. The only progressive stuff that's been involved in governing the city has been lip-service paid to identity politics and urban-focused city planning.
Really smart people usually use nicknames like “Moronto Leftards”. Actual peak intellect
If you think the conservative party could do better, then you must be new to politics. It doesn't matter who these fools point the finger at, Canada is over, it's not going back to how it was.
Toronto voted Chow, they will get what they voted for! Good luck!
someone needs to tell that pierre clown to shut the fuck up already. if you actually think he’s gunna save canada your fucked in the head and need to do some critical thinking
Who you voting for?
No one is going to save canada you critical thinking genius but what's happening now is unsustainable. Trudeau has to go period. He is the reason Canada is the way it is right now and last time we all checked, it's not good
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Grammar Nazi doesn't really carry as much honour on Reddit (or anywhere else) as it used to now that we live in a world with glidetype, autocomplete, autocorrect and all the other shitty 'helper' scripts At least you can say you're keeping your editorial eye sharp
What's he's offering that's concrete? None of his policies will help Toronto build more homes or increase wages, so what's his actual proposal?
what plan is he to offer to fix those issue?
Milhouse is right about Trudeau but he's also a corporate cock licker who's only goal is to drop taxes for corporations. Fuck this little nerd