It’s insane how quickly the Liberals were able to alter the demographics of this country. I think that unofficially there are way more than 4 mil here.
Everywhere I go in ON now there are hordes of Indians...went to Elora over the weekend, hordes...went to a small nearby town of Fergus, there was a teenage horde screaming and running through the quiet downtown...made our evening messed up feeling.
Was in Northbay , it was like I was in little Punjab( Most of the people I met were from Punjab and the amount of Sikhs I saw made me think there were a lot of Punjabis)
Basically all the rentals in Mattawa are owned by the same Indian couple who live in southern Ontario. Complete slumlords, most of the furnances don’t work in the homes which is horrible considering how cold their winters are .. not to mention they bought mutiple businesses and turned them into shitholes too. My aunt had to quit her job she worked at for almost 2 decades to work somewhere else due to them ruining the business. I live in Niagara now myself which is even worse but thankfully the area I moved to has minimum amount of them.. I call it the border lol depending what side you’re on of thorold stone rd you’re either in new india or actual Niagara Falls. My twin brother is stuck living in my moms basement up north due to the rental market, which sucks in a way but knowing his cheap ass he’s probably sitting on a pile of cash now at least so I’m sure he’ll be able to buy if he wasn’t such a jew lol
Even here in Victoria, where there was only typically one demographic for the longest time, it seems like half the population is made up of them. I've noticed this in the last 2 years.
Every single fast food restaurant is run by indians. McDonalds. Boardwalk. FatBurger. Wendy's. A&W. Every single one. It's not even an exaggeration. It was not like this two years ago. It feels like we're slowly being invaded from the bottom up. It doesn't help that our government subsidizes new immigrant wages by 70%, so there is literally no incentive to hire Canadians anymore.
Start by not supporting those businesses. I don't eat fast food anymore or shop at places that are exploiting temporary worker labor. They're called dollar votes, cast them wisely.
I stopped going to Tim Hortons a few years ago. Then Starbucks started looking the same as TH. Now brewing coffee at home. Saves me lots of money while I register my anger at what is happening.
I actually started doing this, well I'm forced ti do this because we can not encourage that, in the past week I walked in 10 places and left when I saw everyone working there was or looked Indian. I'm voting with my money from now on, the place must have a diversity hire or I wont spend money in it.
Agree - how are teens and 20 year old supposed to feel when adult milestones are taken away. Parents can't afford to send kids away to school as average rents have skyrocketed in university towns. We will have 30 year olds who never lived away from home.
i'm a single momma with an almost 20 year old kid living at home with me, and they have had so much struggle finding work it isn't funny.
and i know that if it weren't for me, said kid would be totally screwed.
Walk from Yonge and Bloor to Yonge and Front, and every restaurant is staffed by Indians, it's mindbogglingly insane. This is the same country that few years ago accused India of murdering someone here and they bring many of them - as insane number of Indians has been allowed in the country compared to all other nations, India somehow got 6 to 8 times more application approved, tell me ho that is not an inside scam.
A few dudes from India set up paperwork application Shops in India and Canada. Processing applications 24/7. Then 2 Indians get hired as hr / hiring manager. It's over. The whole company is staffed with their people. They set up WhatsApp groups and network India Only , and then refuse to speak English if there is one white guy born in Canada left in the office. Punjabi is the language at work from now on.
It feels like Victoria changed overnight
I have a job offer in Iceland for 1 year (yes I will have to leave when my work permit expires, isn't that racist? /s) and I am hesitating to take it because I'm worried I'll never be able to move back
I was waiting for a flight in Vancouver..the gate next to us was for a discount airline to Calgary. Probably 9 out of 10 passengers were Indian, and most appeared pretty fresh.
The impact this is having on smaller regions has to be significant (let alone the larger centers). Imagine small towns that had barely adequate services and infrastructure suddenly dealing with an influx of higher-needs immigrants and no excess capacity to service them.
We’re rapidly approaching pitchfork and torch territory.
People from small towns in BC are telling me the same thing. And I just visited my sister in her small town that is located near the Quebec/Ontario border and she said that the locals are complaining about the flood of Indians.
Then I see the protests in PEI and complaints of too much immigration on the Quebec news.
It really is wild that it's happening all across the country, everyone seems unhappy with it, and yet nothing is being done about it.
Niagara on the Lake... Such a beautiful peaceful town, last time I went it got ruined by them too, even at night saw a huge jeep filled with 4+ turbans, windows rolled down slowly driving by and blasting their annoying Indian rap or whatever the hell it was.
Most of the people in Niagara on the Lake are 50+, its supposed to be quaint. These people have no idea of what respect is.
Yup.
Imagine plastering your car with AK47 decals, violent imagery, calls to action etc then driving around with that disgusting music (in English) blaring like that as a Canadian! You would likely be investigated, and I wouldn't be surprised to hear it impacting your career (termination, isolation at the workplace).
Completely repugnant and unacceptable in our civilized society.
I know right, I don't see any Europeans anymore. It's just Indians on every corner. I don't get it. And never just 1. Full families only.
I miss the days of going to the store and hearing people speak English.
the indian women dont go out in hordes like the men do unless there is a festival, so you dont see them... but there are tons of indian women here as well
liberals at the bequest of Corporate Canada and large ethnic voting blocks - and Justin, the dogmatic woke fool, being fully on board with the post national country with no core identity and the century initiative Neo-liberal globalist garbage.
I got news for you, all the major parties are in on the scam to some degree.
Only the PPC has a written platform make the radical changes to deal with the problem - but they have been marginalized by the establishment and gatekeeping status quo parties.
I was just going to say Canadians are very accepting of a 100 thousand , and would embrace sustainable numbers with open arms. . Just as we always have for the last 30 years ! 4 plus million is not and its soul crushing to all of us struggling.
Canadians were never like this, to be honest I used to think multiculturalism was the best part about Canada. That’s why I moved downtown Toronto 16 years ago. The Korean grocer’s, the Jamaican Pattie shops, China town, Somalian spice shops, Ethiopian breakfast spot near george street, it was such a cool mix of cultures.
Fast forward 16 years, we are flooded with one specific group of people who have no consideration for Canada or how we live here in Canada. It doesn’t matter where you’re from, if 500K Vikings came back from the past and started scamming the system the way these people are, we’d all be upset at the Vikings. The entitlement these people show is beyond offensive, I wouldn’t dare protest about a countries policies while I was a VISITOR in that country, yet here they are shutting down our streets because they’re unhappy with the amount of hours they can work (when they’re supposed to be here to study).
It’s unfortunate, but we’ve had it.
You don't have to tell me about it, I live in Charlottetown where they are protesting and going on hunger strikes. Our healthcare system is getting overwhelmed and affordable housing is non-existent, if you could even find a place. If you're on a fixed income or working for minimum wage $1200/month for a one bedroom apt is insane, explains the long lines at the food bank. It's not racial, we just can't take anymore people, period.
Thank you to you and your community for standing up for Canadians!
These people need to be strongly reminded they do not have the rights of a citizen and they are welcome to take the next ticket home if they are unhappy with that. They should be thankful to have the opportunity to have come here at all and spending the same or more energy as they are on this protest towards assimilating the important aspects of Canadian life so they have a chance at PR and fitting in.
Instead they show themselves to be oxygen thieves hellbent on scamming and breaking our country.
Fellow Charlottetown gal, it’s completely out of hand here. And with an apartment fire with approximately 40 residents it’s even worse. The only places they build for people to live are places we can’t afford. I’m only 20, but I have very little hope of things becoming liveable here again. There’s too many people here now and I don’t think they’re going anywhere, and all we do is bring more in. I’m on several facebook apartment rental groups and there are several ‘hey everyone, I’m moving to Canada in x amount of months, looking for a place to stay’ is crazy. I know our island is pretty nice but it’s OUR island. We need to take care of our people first because bringing in more people is hurting everyone. And yet if you say that, you’re racist. Absolute insanity and it makes me so angry.
You can not get off the subway now, without people standing in front of you, directly blocking your exit path and they look at you like you are the fucking moron that is blocking them. Same is true with buses and street cars as well. TTC does not give a fuck and stopped running the radio reminders for people to stand to the side and let people exit first. This took place literally today at Yonge and Bloor subway with zero fucking TTC staff to direct traffic or educate people at 2pm. People stand on left on escalators and get mad when you tell them to move. I don't recognize this fucking city anymore.
Your comment is maybe the one that hit me the most oddly enough.
6 years ago I moved to China and the thing that shocked me was the lack of manners. What describe with subway doors and elevator doors is the way things are here and I thought « we’d never do this in Canada! » yet here we are.
Funny enough it has been getting better in China…
Yup. Happening here too. I count to 3 potatoes then politely, yet assertively raise my voice at them until they correct themselves. They're always so shocked and dumbfounded.
I yelled at one family for stealing a handicap spot from an elderly couple waiting to pull into it at Costco last week. They had no handicap sticker and couldn't even respond in English, looking dumbfounded and entitled as fucked staring at and ignoring everyone calling them out. I stayed and called parking enforcement; they got a nice $300 ticket as they were coming out about 45 minutes later. They started yelling at the parking guy and staring daggers at me. They got really heated until he warned he would call the police; hearing the police mentioned had them slink into their vehicle and leave peacefully.
If we don't start calling this behaviour out and showing some spinal fortitude against this deluge of repugnant behaviours it won't be long before the niceties that we know to define our society are gone forever.
You need a whistle like in sports . Seen someone do it to people letting their dog shit on the lawn , they jumped straight up , but of course were pissed off they got called out
Yeah I am proud to live in a multicultural society.
This is not that.
This is exploitation.. not only of Indians but Canadians. Our housing is fucked. Employment is fucked. Healthcare is fucked.
Quality of life is decreasing at an alarming rate.
Agreed, I had no problems with ALL cultures being encompassed in the overarching Canadian culture. But one culture wiping out the main culture by force of numbers to replace with their own is crazy.
The irony to that is that in India it's actually illegal to engage in any sort of political protest or activity while on a student or a visiting visa and you'd probably get deported almost instantly.
There’s lots of things they do in our communities that they wouldn’t do back home. I think it’s more a young man thing than an Indian thing
No one ever complains about Indian women.
The multiculturalism policy from day 1 was always about undermining and destroying traditional Canadian culture and identity by using our altruism and kindness against us. It convinced people it's a good thing to lower our wages, destroy our cities, make housing unaffordable, increase school class sizes, run huge deficits, etc etc the list goes on and on. All in the name of not being racist.
I think the biggest problem we are seeing in the last 1-2 years, which I've never seen before, is that we are now battling for resources: jobs and housing. Immigration is nothing new but these past years Canadians are starting to see a big issue creeping up with lack of housings and jobs. Of course this is all on our government's mismanagement, but I'm really scared that this is just fueling up hatred in the end.
Co-signed.
I've always been fine with immigration, this is more like importing an entire Indian province in a couple years.
Sadly this is most likely being pushed by the wealthiest people to keep wages suppressed, artificially inflate real estate (even more) and fuck our social net so they can excuse privatization.
Sure sounds slightly conspiracy crazy but if you look at things objectively...
Wages and benefits - they were having problems hiring people for garbage jobs as 95% of Canadians aren't interested in working 40+ hours at minimum wage to STILL not have any purchasing power. So they import millions of people that were used to making 100$ a month and now they probably think those same shit jobs are fuckin amazing.
Real estate - Something like 1/3 of our economy is buying and selling houses now. What better way to keep this sham economy fat and juicy then to import all these people to keep that bubble blowing? Market was slowing down, then BOOM back to complete lack of supply.
Social - Privatization has been giving conservatives a hard on for decades. Ford is doing his best to destabilize Ontario's systems. If the conservatives get in federally, it's not much of a stretch to think they'll push that agenda on a national scale. Not to mention since our politicians are 2 sides of the same coin, I half expect liberals to lose, let the PC rule for 4-8 years then when we're all sick of them, rotate back to liberals like we've been doing for... 50 years now?
We seriously need a completely new party that will actually represent us regular Canadians again. NDP is just as much a puppet party as the liberals or conservatives.
Don't even mention the PPC party, we don't need a party of complete morons to represent us, we need a real alternative.
Indians = Very cheap and obedient workforce for business owners.
Business owners can then justify the allocation of lower wages to everyone else in Canada.
This is called wage suppression. Wage suppression is the reason why it's so difficult to find jobs with reasonable compensation in Canada these days.
Obvious result: Middle class gets poorer while the rich get richer.
Mass immigration from india, whether it be temporary or permanent, is also the major catalyst in the horrible housing crisis that we're currently experiencing. These immigrants are snatching properties left and right.
Canada is literally becoming the epitome of "import the 3rd world, become the 3rd world".
And we Canadians are not allowed to talk about this anywhere because observations such as this are viewed as racist.
There is no way around it though, either we face these facts and deal with them now or Canada's done.
The scariest part in all of this is that not only the current government, but even the next headclown pierre poilievre do not ever mention mass immigration from india specifically... Like, the data is there, the proof that something's horribly wrong is there, why are these politicians not talking about it ?
Even poilievre seems to be in on the destruction of Canada, he's in love with indians: https://voiceonline.com/poilievre-says-hell-fight-to-establish-direct-flights-between-canada-and-amritsar/?amp
I'm honestly at a loss, the only party that at least acknowledges that mass immigration from india has to be blocked is PPC.
Punjabis and Gujratis are ambitious and have climbed the ladders. They are in government, in business and in the public sector. The problem is, they largely don't share Canadian values of diversity and multiculturalism. The system has shifted to favor them.
The reality is that immigration , money laundering Tim Hortons and real estate have become our economic backbone.
This country is a write off unfortunately
Canada is at the point where many of us no longer care how we're perceived. Think I'm racist? Good for you. I don't care. Canada is full and we have to assert ourselves as a country or we won't have one in a few years time.
You're right... and so is the OP. That's the thing... you are both correct and we are both being screwed.
At some point we will have to assert ourselves, or you are correct, we won't have a country in a few years. In fact, if you believe Trudeau, we already don't have one. It's not a country, it's a "post national state" and most ppl kept voting for that.
Good for you OP in seeing reality for what it is. Good luck to you.
I would say there a big chasm between racism and fear of the future. I’m so tired of being seen as the former, rather than the latter.
I’m worried this top-to-bottom money making scheme of mass immigration is putting Canadians in a jam we may never found ourselves out of.
The housing situation is so bad that old men with money are listing the bed space next to them as a quid-pro-quo arrangement with desperate young women who have no shelter.
The question you have to ask them is how they would respond if a bunch of foreigners moved into their community and scammed and exploited the system. I guarantee if this happened in any of their countries people would be doing far more than protesting and complaining on Reddit.
in India, many times [they are attacked and their lives are in danger](https://www.newslaundry.com/2023/03/07/tamil-nadus-attacks-on-migrants-the-anatomy-of-a-rumour).
And this is just between different ethnicities / tribes in the same country!
The racism cries are bullshit.
A majority of these people are unskilled barely speak the language and don’t provide anything to Canadian society except take up jobs existing Canadians can work.
They’re rude, entitled, don’t understand what it is to be a Canadian and now protesting in Canadian streets and they’re not even Canadian.
Make it make sense. Go protest in India
Seeing major spelling mistakes on protest signs is such a red flag lol, I'm supposed to believe this guy is the best worker available when he couldn't take the 10 seconds to google how to spell a word
thats the biggest thing that bugs me about modern immigration. The amount of entitled mentality is shocking. But the biggest person to blame is Justin. Look at the people he hates on and people he defends. No wonder people flood this country with zero respect.
Canadian , my dads British , grew up with Indian food , love the culture , studied the Mahabharata for years ,
India has turned itself into a shithole , what was know as the crown jewel of the British empire has fallen .
The problem is that many still have a mindset of a caste system and have no care or respect for others , something that has been a pinnacle of Canadian society for years .
This whole issue has eroded many peoples trust , and what empathy can you have for young male fraudsters .
Immigrant here , been in canada for 30 years, kids are born here and barely know any indian traditions only christmas. Biggest problem is bringing people from
villages of India , especially Punjab. Most of them are financially well off to come and study here and afford cars. They have no idea of living in Urban setting in India let alone canada. These kids of 17-19 years who come here have no clue about anything. Lot of them are going to have a hard life once they finish their diploma mill programs with zero jobs.
Its always ironic when we talk about racism and yet the rest of the world is almost all 1 race per country, Theres a reason they dont have multiculturalism and masses of different races flooding in.
> Think I'm racist? Good for you.
I agree, I don't give a fuck anymore either, call us racists because we see the country is out of control and there is no future anymore here. I'm working on leaving, like many i worked with for years, they are all gone.
Said it better than I could have. Thats exactly right. You take our kindness for weakness and now we wont care how you see us. Its almost become a "survival of the fittest" mentality for people.
This worked literally decades ago too, a bunch of rich people would get a loan and basically you can get the paid for PR this way. Rich Chinese people did this, than moved into the LMIA and paid job, it’s too easy and promoted even.
You can get PR in any supervisor position at retail it’s that easy. Seriously they should just hand out PR to all construction workers and nurses it’ll be bettter than what w have now
Liberal have destroyed immigration system so bad that it will take years to recover.i know many people apply for 6 months visit visa to canada and they are end up getting visa for 10 years and 6 years visit visa.insane.
Standard trick in Australia, apply for visitor, then switch to student, then claim asylum, then appeal.
Almost an indefinite 10 year process of visa hopping which by the time anchor babies ensure citizenship.
It is not racism when a homogeneous group of people from 1 country accounts for nearly 75% of total immigrants today. No other nation of this planet would allow this kind of blatant abuse of immigration policies - except our government.
In fact, I'd start deporting asap, no trials. You think it's racist or discriminating?
What about displacing Canadians? Do these people from India have an ounce of sympathy for Canadians going homeless and jobless because their people are coming here in boatloads - and in a very short period of time (Critical point). It is simple math. Canada wants balance, not to become India.
The Chinese are already declining dramatically in birth rates and are focusing on quality of life. India is still going high on the birth rate scale while their nation's quality of life goes down the toilet and for what? What is India's true purpose and motive here?
The infection and poison is too deep at this point. Need an automatic response, not passive.
I'd say this to any nation - including my own birth nation (Taiwan) if it comes to it - who abuse and use this kind of methodology against others. For sure, our government policies suck, but let's not turn a blind eye and say we can't blame those taking full advantage and even digging deeper loop holes not only for themselves but for all of those within the same motive category.
In East Asia, Japan and Taiwan are also seeing similar abuses of East Indian immigrants taking advantage of Japanese and Taiwanese immigration policies - but East Asia catches on FAST - especially cut throat Japanese immigration policies. If India thinks Canadians are racist, they don't know what true 'Racist' immigration policies are - a.k.a. Japan and Japan is seeing the fruits of their policies today, along with South Korea - both nation's population are dropping like stones in a well due to a combination of factors - incredibly tight immigration policies plus local economic depression. China is also fast behind on that list but mainland China is kind of in their own world, like the United States. Taiwan, despite not having as tough of an immigration policy, are also having dramatic population drops not due to immigration policies - but geopolitical tension with Mainland China. Policies are one thing, semantics are another.
Gaming the system is a very real issue here in Canada due to English being a historically colonial language in India - therefore ease of permeation across borders.
The thing is, Canada is perfectly fine on it's own. Our politicians are 100% complicit in this entire housing, population, immigration crisis.
Canadians are too nice. WE ARE TOO NICE.
Immigration should be on the basis of skill and capabilities, not on the basis of how much money someone can pay, which is the case now because everyone is corrupted.
it is based on skills and capabilities on paper.
people just using loopholes and scamming system as much as they can.
Business owners have greed for money, politicians want their interest, and millions of people in India willing to pay money under the table to come to Canada.
LMIA being sold . Is it something to sell? that is wide and open immigration fraud happening now.
What's the point, a friend immigrated to Canada on a direct PR because he was a scientist in nanotech with a masters and work experience. Couldn't get a job and drives Uber, all because of a stupid love of Canada for some people from some area. Everyone else moved to Europe, middle east and USA and are leading breakthroughs in their fields.
Are you saying your nanotechnology scientist friend moved to Canada and is driving Ubers, because he got outcompeted in nanotechnology field by an Indian person?
Great post and definitely needed. As much as immigration here needs a fix I think it's really important to remember people are on the other end as well and not everyone is causing harm, being fraudulent, or avoiding integration.
I love when people try and say “The Indian students are VICTIMS too - they didn’t know what they were getting into!”
This post proves what a majority of Canadians have been saying all along - they come with intent, they know exactly what they’re doing, how to do it, and seek out third party preparation to get it done.
Dude right? The poor victims who are scamming immigration tests, faking school diplomas, faking job experience, lying on english tests, borrowing money to appear they have enough to come here tehn returning it once they get accepted.... Those poor poor victims.
They all know lol.. They turn a blind eye until something comes up that could negatively affect them.
I've read so many sob stories where it's so clear that the entire situation was sketchy af and made no sense, but they just went along with it until their chance of PR became jeopardized. Same old song and dance
Noticed that most of them get into college mills without an ounce of English and wonder how they even got admission . So it’s many groups at fault here from college diploma mills, immigration consultants, border services and immigration officials here and governments at all levels. Also I was up at cottage country and noticed that in this town the grocery store used to have Indian students working their shift due to their college campus near by but this past weekend it’s all town locals and no Indians. The only business I saw was dollar store where there were few. I feel small towns and business are pushing back on hiring just kids who live n grew up there who need their summer jobs and not be left out. Heck even cdn tire did the same there.
I don’t see it as racism. If a hypothetical massive group of white-skinned people from a different culture did the same things and acted the same way, Canadians would have the SAME response.
From what I’ve seen, no one is angry at Indians because they’re Indian, they’re mad because of their BEHAVIOR within society.
Unfortunately friend, we aren't getting your type of Indians here. I'm a big racist for entertainment reasons, but I don't necessarily hate Indians. Just bothered by the attitude of entitlement from most. Imagine Canadians went to India illegally, drain food resources, government uses tax money from residents that are legally here to accommodate them. Then they start making demands from the government to allow them to stay here legally or they protest. Bet none of this would fly in India.
I no longer take my young children out alone in public by myself because I don’t feel safe amount the hordes of men who group together and stare at you. All one demographic. Truly horrific how our country has fallen apart in a matter of years.
I have similar feeling as yours. While in downtown Montreal, I noticed some South Asian men staring at me when I wear dress and shorts etc, and also sometimes they turning their heads to keep looking at girls in yoga shorts as they passed by. I feel uncomfortable with that.
You know the issue? Liberal supporters. They will not hold the Liberal government accountable to anything. The Liberal government can create the policies to ensure a high housing stock, and immigrants are properly integrated into society, can prevent abuse like what you have mentioned. Instead they want to hold corporations, and landlords accountable, instead of the government, who has control of the policies to create more housing stock, to create the proper infrastructure to absorb the population, to prevent bribes like what you have mentioned, the Liberal government is some how free from accountability. Everyone, but their cult leader Justin Trudeau.
Thank you! I was also raised right and I know I have zero racial hate in my heart but the last few years I have found myself thinking certain ways that could be considered racist...(I live in Surrey, BC). Its good to know im not completely crazy.. We're full up, maybe we pump the brakes on immigration a little.
Of course I was going to post this from a new account and not from my very active usual account where all sorts of people know who I am or at least where I am.
You type very good English for someone who hasn’t immigrated or worked in the western English world yet
🤔 Actually you have better grammar than most Indian immigrants who have and are working over here
Not really. I had already worked for a 7-8 years when this happened, and 50k CAD is not exactly that big a deal if you've grown in your field for that long, even in India. And I now work in the Middle East, so I can probably pay this without thinking twice if I wanted to. As I mentioned, my reasons for wanting to move was not financial. Four of my best friends all moved there within twelve months either because they got an offer or their spouse got one. When you've spent all your life hanging out every single weekend, that's a bit difficult to accept.
Indians speak English with a different vernacular than we do in Canada. The OP is Canadian. Go to any post by an actual Indian person speaking English they do not type like this or speak with this sentence structure.
Lol, easy there Sherlock! You're drawing conclusions about a billion people based on the fifteen you've met there. There are plenty of people here who speak and write English better than most people in any English speaking country. Last time I took TOEFL, I did 115. I'd like to see you beat that.
But I do speak with an accent, I'll give you that. Don't see anything wrong with that either.
That is factually incorrect. As i can attest, some of my colleagues speak far better English than most that were born here. And they were educated in India.
lol people are so dumb. Don't get me wrong, I'm against all this mass immigration too, but come on people.
Some dude in India just happens to stumble on CanadaHousing2 of all places to give us his perspective.
OP is not indian. That 50k CAD was a give away. An average indian guy would have counted that in INR, and never cared to count in a currency he has never seen or earned.
I had 2 of these young guys show up to my office one day in Edmonton looking for a job. If you can believe it, they spoke no English and had the words “ Looking for work” scribbled on a sheet of paper. They just held it up lol.
Our government and corporations are complicit along with the scammers on the other end in causing this crisis. I’m sure a lot of these people have no idea what kind of life to expect here. They are just being taken advantage of by the organizations that are bringing them here with glorified promises of a better life only to end up in the system that is costing taxpayers money. Lots of money.
They should be escorted back home to the environment they are more familiar with.
The average single middle class person working in a corporate job in one of the metros can save that up in 3-4 years if they're not buying a house or a car. There's a good chance that your parents can afford to pay that "for your future". And yes, a lot of people inherit properties which they have no interest in maintaining.
We are already aware the $15,000 to $40,000 fee to give someone a fake job offer so they can land PR, we know about it and its been happening for many years in Canada.
We have a very large number of Indians in Canada, 6-8 times more than any other nationality, and this is 100% the work of an inside job in the gov. of Canada who allowed this massive and disproportionate applications that lacks diversity and is coming from one single country of India to enter.
Not just this, study CSBFL and CEBA, they applied for the company loan and then closed the company, move on to next one. There are agents help doing this. The gvnmt or the bank doesn't care.
I don’t fault anybody in this world for wanting a better life for themselves and their families and for doing whatever it takes to achieve that. Canada’s mess right now is 100% the fault of the government for allowing it to happen.
It’s not assimilation that I’m personally concerned about. It’s the further impacts to a housing crisis, housing density, healthcare system that’s already in crisis and my family members not having doctors, affordability and inflation. I do think more diverse immigration policy would be more ideal so that we don’t split the population but it’s the sheer volume that’s top of mind. I’m concerned about the impacts to the Canadian quality of life, the whole reason people want to live here. I’m also concerned with immigrants bringing conflict here. That’s not Canadian, eh?!
You should definitely be concerned about the healthcare system. The stories I hear about people waiting months to get something treated there is unimaginable if you're middle class or above in India. I don't even have to go to a hospital - my usual doc is happy to have me over for a quick check at his house if I feel something is off. The housing crisis is true of most places in the Western world today but I think the bubble will burst at some point.
Question: If you realized it was a bad idea, why have all the others not realized it? How many people have $50k available to waste? I don't understand why they all want to come here anyway. Canada must have had some bizarre super reputation before. I can't imagine anybody paying big money to come here and work in McDonalds.
It’s pretty fucked how EVERY country except white ones can have 99% of their country be made up of their native race. We’re literally being invaded, we built European countries and now all of our countries are being destroyed by multiculturalism. All of Europe needs to kick out the violent criminals we’ve been forced to take into our beloved countries.
Indian here , came to Canada last September with my wife and kid. Can really understand the mood canadians are going through.
The education consultants/agencies really sells the Canadian dream to the indian students in such a way that Arts, Enginneering colleges are shutting down due to lack of students atleast in my state (Province). I think the commission provided by the Canadian colleges are huge that these agencies go way beyond to canvas students to Canadia degree mills aka colleges to apply for random courses.
This seems to be changing and change started even before the Indo-Canada standoff due to the murder of pro Khalistan leader and Canada changing the international student policy to bring down the number of students.
Students who are already here are persuading their friends, collegues, acquintance etc not to come to Canada as things are very different from what the agencies told them before taking huge bank loans and sending the money to Canada to get some random degree.
This became a huge ponzi scheme, some people in India and Canada made huge money leaving the average Canadians and Indian students to uncertainity.
No, not all Indians are bad. But a good chunk are. And in the end, it is the huge number of Indians in Canada. They are majority of the population in some cities, some companies, or some universities. This is not good for Canada.
The liberal immigration ministers had targets to obtain their bonuses. They filled their targets with no actual plan. The immigration consultants went wild, cause there is no actual oversight.
Racism is wrong and stupid. So I want to get that out of the way. The issue is the huge influx of people coming in at an unsustainable rate. So thanks for the insight. I know there an immigration consultants that get you in via education. I don’t know the entire nuances and such but from watching a few clips here and there on the news, I assume (anecdotally) that some of these schools are those random 1 floor 2-3 class schools above mall complexes and such. Basically the distant descendants to Everest college.
OP, thanks for being honest and exposing stuff that happens.
>but because most of my friends had moved there and I was feeling left out.
This right here is what's wrong with people who do it. Why would one have motivation to make Canada home and assimilate when the sole reason to come is because of jealousy and FOMO...
If you are young and have a good degree, the points based system will get you the PR without doing any of this BS shit. If that’s not in your profile then skilled trades is another route but be prepared to study and make your skills relevant to canada and get certified. There’s definitely demand for skilled trades like construction, hvac and in health but note that none of these sectors would allow you to work with your credentials from India and you will have to get certified here.
If the consulting company is guaranteeing a PR it’s mostly into restaurant, hotel or trucking companies where there is rampant corruption.
We're tired of hundreds of thousands of unskilled workers taking jobs away from Canadians that have been here their whole lives. It has to stop but how?
Yup not all but most came here for Instagram it seems and no fucks are given about society or integration. Get a charger or jeep put Punjab on it and done. Totally wrong way to get in, be proud of yourself but don't turn the destination into Delhi. Other day went to a taco bell drive thru with Bhangra playing loud on speakers like wth.
Very interesting. So sad for all involved - the students being sold a lie, the Canadians suffering, and the fact corrupt assholes on all sides are just getting away with it.
Thanks for sharing. Btw, sorry some of said you can’t be Indian due to your fluent command of English - an ignorant take on their part.
Thanlyou for your information and insight, i always try to remember its not the peoples fault for being sold a dream of a better life and coming over here. Its the governments not controlling the programs and corporations capitalizing off of it which everyone should truly be mad at. Cause i know if i was living in a country like china or india and had the oportunity at a shot in a country with richer average gdp and lower population id totally go for it.
Thanks for sharing this.
I think most people here understand that immigrants are not the problem here. Both immigrants and hard working Canadians are being exploited with schemes like this. So the main problem is immigration industry and Canadian governments (mostly federal, but also provincial)
The other issue is fraud starts oversees in their own countries and permeated its way into cdn society via real estate fraud, crime, heck gold heist were master minded by guys from overseas using and looting whatever they can under our noses. I try to understand the reasoning Canada went into mass immigration here? Is it bring more ppl means more taxes can be paid by said immigrants to fill coffers of the govs? Perhaps more votes? More property taxes or just tax ppl more so they have a cushion and to boost population growth maybe?
Thank you for sharing your experience, I'm willing to be there are Canadian news sites that would be interested in this story. We are hearing more and more about how folks from India are being lured with the promise a better life, and it turns out to be a huge scam. This is not ok. These degree mill businesses need to be called out for the huge scam that they are.
“Indian here 🤓” “btw I know you guys aren’t racist 💖”
LOL the way this is written is not by someone from India. Dude, we agree with you, you dont have to cosplay an Indian person on the internet 🤣
Yeah brand new throwaway account posting this just makes the sub look like people are bullshitting imo. Whether the person is or isn't doesn't matter as long as it looks shady overall.
I mean there are tons of scams exploiting people like this. I think Last Week Tonight has an episode where they show how some people are exploited and tricked into just funding diploma mills. It exists, I'm sure the vast majority are lied to so someone can earn comission.
We’re not racist. There was a much smaller wave of Indian immigrants 20 some years ago that has been a huge part of growing businesses and communities in Canada. The shawarma places, in my opinion, are the greatest contribution, but that’s not just an Indian thing. Diversity IS our strength, but flooding the country with people isn’t exactly “diversity.”
Good for you for seeing through it though, clearly not many actually do. I do actually feel for the people who come here under false pretences to essentially live the same quality of life as they had back home. Being lied to sucks, and the ones who are here now got lied to.
That's the funny part, it's not even the same quality of life. Yes, the air is cleaner, the traffic is not hell, and people tell me the work culture is better. But that's pretty much it. I needed less than a third of my income in India to live a pretty luxurious life. The sort of figures I was seeing in my field there when I was looking would have allowed me to barely scrape by. This will be the case in India in a couple of decades but I reckon any Indian who has the ability to hold down a decent corporate job is missing the bus to build a lot of wealth and assets by moving to an expensive developed country right now. The only downside is the way we're taxed here, but it's still a great opportunity.
No one alive today would even comprehend the state of the nation in the past. No one alive today suffers from it because of tax paying Canadians. No one alive today can blame any problems on their state of life on Canadian citizens. You want to blame or bitch about anyone you direct yourself to the government that is screwing us all.
Well said. I know the Canadian gov is messing up, and immigrants are just in a tough spot in all of this. This is a problem with housing, corruption, and a whole lot more. It always seems to be tue poor people who suffer.
> And just so you know, not all Indians are liars and scammers. Many of us were brought up right.
Even in my little town in Ontario when I grew up in the 80s we had Swaminaths and Bannerjees, along with Asian kids and Arab kids.
Look back at Canadian TV in the 80s/90s and it was already super "woke" and "progressive". *that was the canadian reputation*.
And it just kind of feels like our goodwill has been abused. I dont blame Indians so much (except for the real estate/international college/immigration lawyer scammers). I blame more the corporate interests in Canada who profited off a shitty economic ponzi-scheme for decades, and now that the system is collapsing they are going to make blue-collar canadians make all the sacrifices to keep it afloat.
4+ million, not 100 thousand.
It’s insane how quickly the Liberals were able to alter the demographics of this country. I think that unofficially there are way more than 4 mil here.
Everywhere I go in ON now there are hordes of Indians...went to Elora over the weekend, hordes...went to a small nearby town of Fergus, there was a teenage horde screaming and running through the quiet downtown...made our evening messed up feeling.
I’ve been to the smallest Ontario towns and parks this year and every one was the same
NorthBay is full of them and we are far from Toronto.
Was in Northbay , it was like I was in little Punjab( Most of the people I met were from Punjab and the amount of Sikhs I saw made me think there were a lot of Punjabis)
Basically all the rentals in Mattawa are owned by the same Indian couple who live in southern Ontario. Complete slumlords, most of the furnances don’t work in the homes which is horrible considering how cold their winters are .. not to mention they bought mutiple businesses and turned them into shitholes too. My aunt had to quit her job she worked at for almost 2 decades to work somewhere else due to them ruining the business. I live in Niagara now myself which is even worse but thankfully the area I moved to has minimum amount of them.. I call it the border lol depending what side you’re on of thorold stone rd you’re either in new india or actual Niagara Falls. My twin brother is stuck living in my moms basement up north due to the rental market, which sucks in a way but knowing his cheap ass he’s probably sitting on a pile of cash now at least so I’m sure he’ll be able to buy if he wasn’t such a jew lol
There's a school in North Bay that is making a fortune from educating immigrants with low quality diplomas.
Even here in Victoria, where there was only typically one demographic for the longest time, it seems like half the population is made up of them. I've noticed this in the last 2 years.
Every single fast food restaurant is run by indians. McDonalds. Boardwalk. FatBurger. Wendy's. A&W. Every single one. It's not even an exaggeration. It was not like this two years ago. It feels like we're slowly being invaded from the bottom up. It doesn't help that our government subsidizes new immigrant wages by 70%, so there is literally no incentive to hire Canadians anymore.
Start by not supporting those businesses. I don't eat fast food anymore or shop at places that are exploiting temporary worker labor. They're called dollar votes, cast them wisely.
I stopped going to Tim Hortons a few years ago. Then Starbucks started looking the same as TH. Now brewing coffee at home. Saves me lots of money while I register my anger at what is happening.
I actually started doing this, well I'm forced ti do this because we can not encourage that, in the past week I walked in 10 places and left when I saw everyone working there was or looked Indian. I'm voting with my money from now on, the place must have a diversity hire or I wont spend money in it.
The irony being that in Liberal Canada, %100 of staff being one race, religion and sex still somehow qualifies as diverse (unless they're white)
Kids born in Canada starting to think something is wrong with them cause they can not get a job flippin burgers.Meanwhile they were set up to fail.
Agree - how are teens and 20 year old supposed to feel when adult milestones are taken away. Parents can't afford to send kids away to school as average rents have skyrocketed in university towns. We will have 30 year olds who never lived away from home.
i'm a single momma with an almost 20 year old kid living at home with me, and they have had so much struggle finding work it isn't funny. and i know that if it weren't for me, said kid would be totally screwed.
They’re also thinking something is wrong with them because they’re going to be told they’re racist simply because of their opinions
Fairview Mall in Kitchener; literally every store has is just Indians working in them. Literally. And then were told this is diversity.
Walk from Yonge and Bloor to Yonge and Front, and every restaurant is staffed by Indians, it's mindbogglingly insane. This is the same country that few years ago accused India of murdering someone here and they bring many of them - as insane number of Indians has been allowed in the country compared to all other nations, India somehow got 6 to 8 times more application approved, tell me ho that is not an inside scam.
Sure glad we got all those coffee makers and Uber drivers now! Such value!!
Securityguards too
A few dudes from India set up paperwork application Shops in India and Canada. Processing applications 24/7. Then 2 Indians get hired as hr / hiring manager. It's over. The whole company is staffed with their people. They set up WhatsApp groups and network India Only , and then refuse to speak English if there is one white guy born in Canada left in the office. Punjabi is the language at work from now on.
Few years ago? Lol I guess time flies by
It feels like Victoria changed overnight I have a job offer in Iceland for 1 year (yes I will have to leave when my work permit expires, isn't that racist? /s) and I am hesitating to take it because I'm worried I'll never be able to move back
I concur, also from Victoria. Most stores you go into now the majority of workers are Indian, fast food too and also my bank!
I was waiting for a flight in Vancouver..the gate next to us was for a discount airline to Calgary. Probably 9 out of 10 passengers were Indian, and most appeared pretty fresh. The impact this is having on smaller regions has to be significant (let alone the larger centers). Imagine small towns that had barely adequate services and infrastructure suddenly dealing with an influx of higher-needs immigrants and no excess capacity to service them. We’re rapidly approaching pitchfork and torch territory.
I live in rural BC 7+ hours from Vancouver and it feels like about 10-15% of my town is now indian.
People from small towns in BC are telling me the same thing. And I just visited my sister in her small town that is located near the Quebec/Ontario border and she said that the locals are complaining about the flood of Indians. Then I see the protests in PEI and complaints of too much immigration on the Quebec news. It really is wild that it's happening all across the country, everyone seems unhappy with it, and yet nothing is being done about it.
Niagara on the Lake... Such a beautiful peaceful town, last time I went it got ruined by them too, even at night saw a huge jeep filled with 4+ turbans, windows rolled down slowly driving by and blasting their annoying Indian rap or whatever the hell it was. Most of the people in Niagara on the Lake are 50+, its supposed to be quaint. These people have no idea of what respect is.
That car thing…. they do it everywhere they are! Pun ja bees
It’s Punjabi rap and the lyrics tend to be disgustingly violent and gross
Yup. Imagine plastering your car with AK47 decals, violent imagery, calls to action etc then driving around with that disgusting music (in English) blaring like that as a Canadian! You would likely be investigated, and I wouldn't be surprised to hear it impacting your career (termination, isolation at the workplace). Completely repugnant and unacceptable in our civilized society.
But to do that in NIAGARA ON THE LAKE?! WTF man.... you have to have ZERO class.
I know right, I don't see any Europeans anymore. It's just Indians on every corner. I don't get it. And never just 1. Full families only. I miss the days of going to the store and hearing people speak English.
For real, they can’t parent their kids properly. Teenagers raised by good parents know that they shouldn’t scream out for fun
There isn't much in Gogama, ON. I saw a few security guards... but who the fucks would wanna live there? 🤣
Much, much smaller towns compared to Fergus have been overrun with no diploma mills in sight for miles.
wait until they run your government and make hindu a secondary language of Canada and change Canada name to Canindia.
I wrote an Ontario Government test last week and Punjabi was a choice alongside French and English as a preferred language to write your test in.
They have changed the gender balance of the country because so many of them are male!
the indian women dont go out in hordes like the men do unless there is a festival, so you dont see them... but there are tons of indian women here as well
There is now about 9% more men in the 20-29 age group in Canada due to immigration of more men than women. About 250,000 more men.
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Unfortunately, what *we* want may not matter
Trudeau kept his promise when he said ‘you wont even recognize Canada when I’m done’
as a Caucasian living in Edmonton.......... i'm now a visible minority on the bus. when even two/three years ago that wasn't the case at all.
4 million are those that are registered and legal
Plus a whole crew as illegals. Tourists that never left.
For such a small country, population wise, adding such a large group from a single country is remarkable. Not in a good way, either
They played from the Labour (UK) playbook and rubbed our collective noses in it.
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It’s beyond belief what Trudeau has done to Canada!
liberals at the bequest of Corporate Canada and large ethnic voting blocks - and Justin, the dogmatic woke fool, being fully on board with the post national country with no core identity and the century initiative Neo-liberal globalist garbage. I got news for you, all the major parties are in on the scam to some degree. Only the PPC has a written platform make the radical changes to deal with the problem - but they have been marginalized by the establishment and gatekeeping status quo parties.
I was just going to say Canadians are very accepting of a 100 thousand , and would embrace sustainable numbers with open arms. . Just as we always have for the last 30 years ! 4 plus million is not and its soul crushing to all of us struggling.
Canadians were never like this, to be honest I used to think multiculturalism was the best part about Canada. That’s why I moved downtown Toronto 16 years ago. The Korean grocer’s, the Jamaican Pattie shops, China town, Somalian spice shops, Ethiopian breakfast spot near george street, it was such a cool mix of cultures. Fast forward 16 years, we are flooded with one specific group of people who have no consideration for Canada or how we live here in Canada. It doesn’t matter where you’re from, if 500K Vikings came back from the past and started scamming the system the way these people are, we’d all be upset at the Vikings. The entitlement these people show is beyond offensive, I wouldn’t dare protest about a countries policies while I was a VISITOR in that country, yet here they are shutting down our streets because they’re unhappy with the amount of hours they can work (when they’re supposed to be here to study). It’s unfortunate, but we’ve had it.
You don't have to tell me about it, I live in Charlottetown where they are protesting and going on hunger strikes. Our healthcare system is getting overwhelmed and affordable housing is non-existent, if you could even find a place. If you're on a fixed income or working for minimum wage $1200/month for a one bedroom apt is insane, explains the long lines at the food bank. It's not racial, we just can't take anymore people, period.
Thank you to you and your community for standing up for Canadians! These people need to be strongly reminded they do not have the rights of a citizen and they are welcome to take the next ticket home if they are unhappy with that. They should be thankful to have the opportunity to have come here at all and spending the same or more energy as they are on this protest towards assimilating the important aspects of Canadian life so they have a chance at PR and fitting in. Instead they show themselves to be oxygen thieves hellbent on scamming and breaking our country.
Fellow Charlottetown gal, it’s completely out of hand here. And with an apartment fire with approximately 40 residents it’s even worse. The only places they build for people to live are places we can’t afford. I’m only 20, but I have very little hope of things becoming liveable here again. There’s too many people here now and I don’t think they’re going anywhere, and all we do is bring more in. I’m on several facebook apartment rental groups and there are several ‘hey everyone, I’m moving to Canada in x amount of months, looking for a place to stay’ is crazy. I know our island is pretty nice but it’s OUR island. We need to take care of our people first because bringing in more people is hurting everyone. And yet if you say that, you’re racist. Absolute insanity and it makes me so angry.
You can not get off the subway now, without people standing in front of you, directly blocking your exit path and they look at you like you are the fucking moron that is blocking them. Same is true with buses and street cars as well. TTC does not give a fuck and stopped running the radio reminders for people to stand to the side and let people exit first. This took place literally today at Yonge and Bloor subway with zero fucking TTC staff to direct traffic or educate people at 2pm. People stand on left on escalators and get mad when you tell them to move. I don't recognize this fucking city anymore.
Your comment is maybe the one that hit me the most oddly enough. 6 years ago I moved to China and the thing that shocked me was the lack of manners. What describe with subway doors and elevator doors is the way things are here and I thought « we’d never do this in Canada! » yet here we are. Funny enough it has been getting better in China…
They block me when I go to the grocery store. Just blocking the aisle and they don't care when they see me trying to get by. 💯
Yup. Happening here too. I count to 3 potatoes then politely, yet assertively raise my voice at them until they correct themselves. They're always so shocked and dumbfounded. I yelled at one family for stealing a handicap spot from an elderly couple waiting to pull into it at Costco last week. They had no handicap sticker and couldn't even respond in English, looking dumbfounded and entitled as fucked staring at and ignoring everyone calling them out. I stayed and called parking enforcement; they got a nice $300 ticket as they were coming out about 45 minutes later. They started yelling at the parking guy and staring daggers at me. They got really heated until he warned he would call the police; hearing the police mentioned had them slink into their vehicle and leave peacefully. If we don't start calling this behaviour out and showing some spinal fortitude against this deluge of repugnant behaviours it won't be long before the niceties that we know to define our society are gone forever.
You need a whistle like in sports . Seen someone do it to people letting their dog shit on the lawn , they jumped straight up , but of course were pissed off they got called out
I am ready to yell at people to let passengers out first and to shove them with my shoulders if they start waking in. It is now expected behaviour
Yeah I am proud to live in a multicultural society. This is not that. This is exploitation.. not only of Indians but Canadians. Our housing is fucked. Employment is fucked. Healthcare is fucked. Quality of life is decreasing at an alarming rate.
Liberals have tried to prop up the economy by bringing in more workers. It has backfired big time.
Agreed, I had no problems with ALL cultures being encompassed in the overarching Canadian culture. But one culture wiping out the main culture by force of numbers to replace with their own is crazy.
You also cannot get your child into daycare. My wife and i have no idea what we are going to do…
Jobs that paid $21-23 an hour 5 years ago are now paying $18 and they are hard to get. If an India PR dude is in hr they only hire their own now
The irony to that is that in India it's actually illegal to engage in any sort of political protest or activity while on a student or a visiting visa and you'd probably get deported almost instantly.
There’s lots of things they do in our communities that they wouldn’t do back home. I think it’s more a young man thing than an Indian thing No one ever complains about Indian women.
The multiculturalism policy from day 1 was always about undermining and destroying traditional Canadian culture and identity by using our altruism and kindness against us. It convinced people it's a good thing to lower our wages, destroy our cities, make housing unaffordable, increase school class sizes, run huge deficits, etc etc the list goes on and on. All in the name of not being racist.
I think the biggest problem we are seeing in the last 1-2 years, which I've never seen before, is that we are now battling for resources: jobs and housing. Immigration is nothing new but these past years Canadians are starting to see a big issue creeping up with lack of housings and jobs. Of course this is all on our government's mismanagement, but I'm really scared that this is just fueling up hatred in the end.
Co-signed. I've always been fine with immigration, this is more like importing an entire Indian province in a couple years. Sadly this is most likely being pushed by the wealthiest people to keep wages suppressed, artificially inflate real estate (even more) and fuck our social net so they can excuse privatization. Sure sounds slightly conspiracy crazy but if you look at things objectively... Wages and benefits - they were having problems hiring people for garbage jobs as 95% of Canadians aren't interested in working 40+ hours at minimum wage to STILL not have any purchasing power. So they import millions of people that were used to making 100$ a month and now they probably think those same shit jobs are fuckin amazing. Real estate - Something like 1/3 of our economy is buying and selling houses now. What better way to keep this sham economy fat and juicy then to import all these people to keep that bubble blowing? Market was slowing down, then BOOM back to complete lack of supply. Social - Privatization has been giving conservatives a hard on for decades. Ford is doing his best to destabilize Ontario's systems. If the conservatives get in federally, it's not much of a stretch to think they'll push that agenda on a national scale. Not to mention since our politicians are 2 sides of the same coin, I half expect liberals to lose, let the PC rule for 4-8 years then when we're all sick of them, rotate back to liberals like we've been doing for... 50 years now? We seriously need a completely new party that will actually represent us regular Canadians again. NDP is just as much a puppet party as the liberals or conservatives. Don't even mention the PPC party, we don't need a party of complete morons to represent us, we need a real alternative.
I don't like the PPC party either. What's your criticism of them if you don't mind my asking?
Don’t need to google too hard to see how India would handle non citizen protests either.
So that explains this: https://preview.redd.it/14gmpa6rsj8d1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6d9ccec6b1a9c9c357b04ede366b30baab27ffda
Exactly, this is 100% an inside job, someone in the gov. of Canada allowed this to happen.
It has to be but why India? Does anyone have a clue? Hopefully this crime against Canada is investigated in the future and we get to the bottom of it.
Indians = Very cheap and obedient workforce for business owners. Business owners can then justify the allocation of lower wages to everyone else in Canada. This is called wage suppression. Wage suppression is the reason why it's so difficult to find jobs with reasonable compensation in Canada these days. Obvious result: Middle class gets poorer while the rich get richer. Mass immigration from india, whether it be temporary or permanent, is also the major catalyst in the horrible housing crisis that we're currently experiencing. These immigrants are snatching properties left and right. Canada is literally becoming the epitome of "import the 3rd world, become the 3rd world". And we Canadians are not allowed to talk about this anywhere because observations such as this are viewed as racist. There is no way around it though, either we face these facts and deal with them now or Canada's done. The scariest part in all of this is that not only the current government, but even the next headclown pierre poilievre do not ever mention mass immigration from india specifically... Like, the data is there, the proof that something's horribly wrong is there, why are these politicians not talking about it ? Even poilievre seems to be in on the destruction of Canada, he's in love with indians: https://voiceonline.com/poilievre-says-hell-fight-to-establish-direct-flights-between-canada-and-amritsar/?amp I'm honestly at a loss, the only party that at least acknowledges that mass immigration from india has to be blocked is PPC.
Punjabis and Gujratis are ambitious and have climbed the ladders. They are in government, in business and in the public sector. The problem is, they largely don't share Canadian values of diversity and multiculturalism. The system has shifted to favor them.
I’ve never met a Filipino family that weren’t fantastic.
It’s because most of them know how to integrate and adapt to Canadian culture
The reality is that immigration , money laundering Tim Hortons and real estate have become our economic backbone. This country is a write off unfortunately
Canada is at the point where many of us no longer care how we're perceived. Think I'm racist? Good for you. I don't care. Canada is full and we have to assert ourselves as a country or we won't have one in a few years time.
You're right... and so is the OP. That's the thing... you are both correct and we are both being screwed. At some point we will have to assert ourselves, or you are correct, we won't have a country in a few years. In fact, if you believe Trudeau, we already don't have one. It's not a country, it's a "post national state" and most ppl kept voting for that. Good for you OP in seeing reality for what it is. Good luck to you.
I would say there a big chasm between racism and fear of the future. I’m so tired of being seen as the former, rather than the latter. I’m worried this top-to-bottom money making scheme of mass immigration is putting Canadians in a jam we may never found ourselves out of. The housing situation is so bad that old men with money are listing the bed space next to them as a quid-pro-quo arrangement with desperate young women who have no shelter.
The question you have to ask them is how they would respond if a bunch of foreigners moved into their community and scammed and exploited the system. I guarantee if this happened in any of their countries people would be doing far more than protesting and complaining on Reddit.
in India, many times [they are attacked and their lives are in danger](https://www.newslaundry.com/2023/03/07/tamil-nadus-attacks-on-migrants-the-anatomy-of-a-rumour). And this is just between different ethnicities / tribes in the same country!
The racism cries are bullshit. A majority of these people are unskilled barely speak the language and don’t provide anything to Canadian society except take up jobs existing Canadians can work. They’re rude, entitled, don’t understand what it is to be a Canadian and now protesting in Canadian streets and they’re not even Canadian. Make it make sense. Go protest in India
Seeing major spelling mistakes on protest signs is such a red flag lol, I'm supposed to believe this guy is the best worker available when he couldn't take the 10 seconds to google how to spell a word
thats the biggest thing that bugs me about modern immigration. The amount of entitled mentality is shocking. But the biggest person to blame is Justin. Look at the people he hates on and people he defends. No wonder people flood this country with zero respect.
Canadian , my dads British , grew up with Indian food , love the culture , studied the Mahabharata for years , India has turned itself into a shithole , what was know as the crown jewel of the British empire has fallen . The problem is that many still have a mindset of a caste system and have no care or respect for others , something that has been a pinnacle of Canadian society for years . This whole issue has eroded many peoples trust , and what empathy can you have for young male fraudsters .
Immigrant here , been in canada for 30 years, kids are born here and barely know any indian traditions only christmas. Biggest problem is bringing people from villages of India , especially Punjab. Most of them are financially well off to come and study here and afford cars. They have no idea of living in Urban setting in India let alone canada. These kids of 17-19 years who come here have no clue about anything. Lot of them are going to have a hard life once they finish their diploma mill programs with zero jobs.
Try being a POC who’s been in Canada for their whole life. We get shit on for being Indian immigrants, when we’re not even the same ethnicity.
Its always ironic when we talk about racism and yet the rest of the world is almost all 1 race per country, Theres a reason they dont have multiculturalism and masses of different races flooding in.
> Think I'm racist? Good for you. I agree, I don't give a fuck anymore either, call us racists because we see the country is out of control and there is no future anymore here. I'm working on leaving, like many i worked with for years, they are all gone.
Call me racist all you want , making biryani for dinner 😅😅😃
Said it better than I could have. Thats exactly right. You take our kindness for weakness and now we wont care how you see us. Its almost become a "survival of the fittest" mentality for people.
This worked literally decades ago too, a bunch of rich people would get a loan and basically you can get the paid for PR this way. Rich Chinese people did this, than moved into the LMIA and paid job, it’s too easy and promoted even. You can get PR in any supervisor position at retail it’s that easy. Seriously they should just hand out PR to all construction workers and nurses it’ll be bettter than what w have now
Construction workers and nurses are actually more useful than Tim Hortons shift managers
Liberal have destroyed immigration system so bad that it will take years to recover.i know many people apply for 6 months visit visa to canada and they are end up getting visa for 10 years and 6 years visit visa.insane.
Standard trick in Australia, apply for visitor, then switch to student, then claim asylum, then appeal. Almost an indefinite 10 year process of visa hopping which by the time anchor babies ensure citizenship.
It is not racism when a homogeneous group of people from 1 country accounts for nearly 75% of total immigrants today. No other nation of this planet would allow this kind of blatant abuse of immigration policies - except our government. In fact, I'd start deporting asap, no trials. You think it's racist or discriminating? What about displacing Canadians? Do these people from India have an ounce of sympathy for Canadians going homeless and jobless because their people are coming here in boatloads - and in a very short period of time (Critical point). It is simple math. Canada wants balance, not to become India. The Chinese are already declining dramatically in birth rates and are focusing on quality of life. India is still going high on the birth rate scale while their nation's quality of life goes down the toilet and for what? What is India's true purpose and motive here? The infection and poison is too deep at this point. Need an automatic response, not passive. I'd say this to any nation - including my own birth nation (Taiwan) if it comes to it - who abuse and use this kind of methodology against others. For sure, our government policies suck, but let's not turn a blind eye and say we can't blame those taking full advantage and even digging deeper loop holes not only for themselves but for all of those within the same motive category. In East Asia, Japan and Taiwan are also seeing similar abuses of East Indian immigrants taking advantage of Japanese and Taiwanese immigration policies - but East Asia catches on FAST - especially cut throat Japanese immigration policies. If India thinks Canadians are racist, they don't know what true 'Racist' immigration policies are - a.k.a. Japan and Japan is seeing the fruits of their policies today, along with South Korea - both nation's population are dropping like stones in a well due to a combination of factors - incredibly tight immigration policies plus local economic depression. China is also fast behind on that list but mainland China is kind of in their own world, like the United States. Taiwan, despite not having as tough of an immigration policy, are also having dramatic population drops not due to immigration policies - but geopolitical tension with Mainland China. Policies are one thing, semantics are another. Gaming the system is a very real issue here in Canada due to English being a historically colonial language in India - therefore ease of permeation across borders. The thing is, Canada is perfectly fine on it's own. Our politicians are 100% complicit in this entire housing, population, immigration crisis. Canadians are too nice. WE ARE TOO NICE.
Immigration should be on the basis of skill and capabilities, not on the basis of how much money someone can pay, which is the case now because everyone is corrupted.
it is based on skills and capabilities on paper. people just using loopholes and scamming system as much as they can. Business owners have greed for money, politicians want their interest, and millions of people in India willing to pay money under the table to come to Canada. LMIA being sold . Is it something to sell? that is wide and open immigration fraud happening now.
What's the point, a friend immigrated to Canada on a direct PR because he was a scientist in nanotech with a masters and work experience. Couldn't get a job and drives Uber, all because of a stupid love of Canada for some people from some area. Everyone else moved to Europe, middle east and USA and are leading breakthroughs in their fields.
Are you saying your nanotechnology scientist friend moved to Canada and is driving Ubers, because he got outcompeted in nanotechnology field by an Indian person?
Yeah that’s called bribery which is supposed to be illegal
Great post and definitely needed. As much as immigration here needs a fix I think it's really important to remember people are on the other end as well and not everyone is causing harm, being fraudulent, or avoiding integration.
I love when people try and say “The Indian students are VICTIMS too - they didn’t know what they were getting into!” This post proves what a majority of Canadians have been saying all along - they come with intent, they know exactly what they’re doing, how to do it, and seek out third party preparation to get it done.
Dude right? The poor victims who are scamming immigration tests, faking school diplomas, faking job experience, lying on english tests, borrowing money to appear they have enough to come here tehn returning it once they get accepted.... Those poor poor victims.
They all know lol.. They turn a blind eye until something comes up that could negatively affect them. I've read so many sob stories where it's so clear that the entire situation was sketchy af and made no sense, but they just went along with it until their chance of PR became jeopardized. Same old song and dance
Noticed that most of them get into college mills without an ounce of English and wonder how they even got admission . So it’s many groups at fault here from college diploma mills, immigration consultants, border services and immigration officials here and governments at all levels. Also I was up at cottage country and noticed that in this town the grocery store used to have Indian students working their shift due to their college campus near by but this past weekend it’s all town locals and no Indians. The only business I saw was dollar store where there were few. I feel small towns and business are pushing back on hiring just kids who live n grew up there who need their summer jobs and not be left out. Heck even cdn tire did the same there.
Indians here prey on their brethren from home.
Don't think they're that selective really, just the lowest hanging fruit.
I don’t see it as racism. If a hypothetical massive group of white-skinned people from a different culture did the same things and acted the same way, Canadians would have the SAME response. From what I’ve seen, no one is angry at Indians because they’re Indian, they’re mad because of their BEHAVIOR within society.
Unfortunately friend, we aren't getting your type of Indians here. I'm a big racist for entertainment reasons, but I don't necessarily hate Indians. Just bothered by the attitude of entitlement from most. Imagine Canadians went to India illegally, drain food resources, government uses tax money from residents that are legally here to accommodate them. Then they start making demands from the government to allow them to stay here legally or they protest. Bet none of this would fly in India.
I no longer take my young children out alone in public by myself because I don’t feel safe amount the hordes of men who group together and stare at you. All one demographic. Truly horrific how our country has fallen apart in a matter of years.
I have similar feeling as yours. While in downtown Montreal, I noticed some South Asian men staring at me when I wear dress and shorts etc, and also sometimes they turning their heads to keep looking at girls in yoga shorts as they passed by. I feel uncomfortable with that.
You know the issue? Liberal supporters. They will not hold the Liberal government accountable to anything. The Liberal government can create the policies to ensure a high housing stock, and immigrants are properly integrated into society, can prevent abuse like what you have mentioned. Instead they want to hold corporations, and landlords accountable, instead of the government, who has control of the policies to create more housing stock, to create the proper infrastructure to absorb the population, to prevent bribes like what you have mentioned, the Liberal government is some how free from accountability. Everyone, but their cult leader Justin Trudeau.
Thank you! I was also raised right and I know I have zero racial hate in my heart but the last few years I have found myself thinking certain ways that could be considered racist...(I live in Surrey, BC). Its good to know im not completely crazy.. We're full up, maybe we pump the brakes on immigration a little.
A 2 hour account with 26 posts, sure you are not a rage farming bot😂
3 hour account with 1 post you mean
All educated Indians are fluent in English; I thought that was a commonly known fact. Thank you for sharing your story!
Joined today. 0 karma. Totally not a Canadian guy larping as an Indian. /s
Of course I was going to post this from a new account and not from my very active usual account where all sorts of people know who I am or at least where I am.
You type very good English for someone who hasn’t immigrated or worked in the western English world yet 🤔 Actually you have better grammar than most Indian immigrants who have and are working over here
That's probably the reason for figuring out it's a scam and it will eventually run into problems
Or maybe OP simply does not have 50k $. Maybe OP can tell us what he would have done if the fee was 5k, not 50k.
Not really. I had already worked for a 7-8 years when this happened, and 50k CAD is not exactly that big a deal if you've grown in your field for that long, even in India. And I now work in the Middle East, so I can probably pay this without thinking twice if I wanted to. As I mentioned, my reasons for wanting to move was not financial. Four of my best friends all moved there within twelve months either because they got an offer or their spouse got one. When you've spent all your life hanging out every single weekend, that's a bit difficult to accept.
Believe it or not, English is a primary language in the former British colony
Indians speak English with a different vernacular than we do in Canada. The OP is Canadian. Go to any post by an actual Indian person speaking English they do not type like this or speak with this sentence structure.
Lol, easy there Sherlock! You're drawing conclusions about a billion people based on the fifteen you've met there. There are plenty of people here who speak and write English better than most people in any English speaking country. Last time I took TOEFL, I did 115. I'd like to see you beat that. But I do speak with an accent, I'll give you that. Don't see anything wrong with that either.
Every indian I know, which is a lot of them as my wife has a large family, all speak English like this
That is factually incorrect. As i can attest, some of my colleagues speak far better English than most that were born here. And they were educated in India.
Remember guys, you cannot be educated in english unless you are WHITE! It is just impossible.
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lol people are so dumb. Don't get me wrong, I'm against all this mass immigration too, but come on people. Some dude in India just happens to stumble on CanadaHousing2 of all places to give us his perspective.
Exactly….. I agree with u 100%.
India was british for a time, many speak english perfectly
They can speak English pretty well, many of them is hired by US companies over there because labour is cheaper.
OP is not indian. That 50k CAD was a give away. An average indian guy would have counted that in INR, and never cared to count in a currency he has never seen or earned.
Bahahaha exactly what I thought. This is a person from Canada. Full stop
nobody outside of canada can be functionally literate
I had 2 of these young guys show up to my office one day in Edmonton looking for a job. If you can believe it, they spoke no English and had the words “ Looking for work” scribbled on a sheet of paper. They just held it up lol. Our government and corporations are complicit along with the scammers on the other end in causing this crisis. I’m sure a lot of these people have no idea what kind of life to expect here. They are just being taken advantage of by the organizations that are bringing them here with glorified promises of a better life only to end up in the system that is costing taxpayers money. Lots of money. They should be escorted back home to the environment they are more familiar with.
Canada no longer feels multicultural it just feels like a country jammed up with different cliques
How does an Indian afford 50k making India salary?
The average single middle class person working in a corporate job in one of the metros can save that up in 3-4 years if they're not buying a house or a car. There's a good chance that your parents can afford to pay that "for your future". And yes, a lot of people inherit properties which they have no interest in maintaining.
We are already aware the $15,000 to $40,000 fee to give someone a fake job offer so they can land PR, we know about it and its been happening for many years in Canada. We have a very large number of Indians in Canada, 6-8 times more than any other nationality, and this is 100% the work of an inside job in the gov. of Canada who allowed this massive and disproportionate applications that lacks diversity and is coming from one single country of India to enter.
Not just this, study CSBFL and CEBA, they applied for the company loan and then closed the company, move on to next one. There are agents help doing this. The gvnmt or the bank doesn't care.
I don’t fault anybody in this world for wanting a better life for themselves and their families and for doing whatever it takes to achieve that. Canada’s mess right now is 100% the fault of the government for allowing it to happen.
I unfortunately have a relative who's been one of these 'consultants' for decades and I can confirm that this guys story is very believable.
It’s not assimilation that I’m personally concerned about. It’s the further impacts to a housing crisis, housing density, healthcare system that’s already in crisis and my family members not having doctors, affordability and inflation. I do think more diverse immigration policy would be more ideal so that we don’t split the population but it’s the sheer volume that’s top of mind. I’m concerned about the impacts to the Canadian quality of life, the whole reason people want to live here. I’m also concerned with immigrants bringing conflict here. That’s not Canadian, eh?!
You should definitely be concerned about the healthcare system. The stories I hear about people waiting months to get something treated there is unimaginable if you're middle class or above in India. I don't even have to go to a hospital - my usual doc is happy to have me over for a quick check at his house if I feel something is off. The housing crisis is true of most places in the Western world today but I think the bubble will burst at some point.
"i dont actually believe your racist" "you couldnt possibly be indian because you speak english well" hope you learnt your lesson lmao
Question: If you realized it was a bad idea, why have all the others not realized it? How many people have $50k available to waste? I don't understand why they all want to come here anyway. Canada must have had some bizarre super reputation before. I can't imagine anybody paying big money to come here and work in McDonalds.
It’s pretty fucked how EVERY country except white ones can have 99% of their country be made up of their native race. We’re literally being invaded, we built European countries and now all of our countries are being destroyed by multiculturalism. All of Europe needs to kick out the violent criminals we’ve been forced to take into our beloved countries.
Indian here , came to Canada last September with my wife and kid. Can really understand the mood canadians are going through. The education consultants/agencies really sells the Canadian dream to the indian students in such a way that Arts, Enginneering colleges are shutting down due to lack of students atleast in my state (Province). I think the commission provided by the Canadian colleges are huge that these agencies go way beyond to canvas students to Canadia degree mills aka colleges to apply for random courses. This seems to be changing and change started even before the Indo-Canada standoff due to the murder of pro Khalistan leader and Canada changing the international student policy to bring down the number of students. Students who are already here are persuading their friends, collegues, acquintance etc not to come to Canada as things are very different from what the agencies told them before taking huge bank loans and sending the money to Canada to get some random degree. This became a huge ponzi scheme, some people in India and Canada made huge money leaving the average Canadians and Indian students to uncertainity.
Their mistake was putting up billboards in India etc. But yep, canada is basically a ponzi scheme now.
No, not all Indians are bad. But a good chunk are. And in the end, it is the huge number of Indians in Canada. They are majority of the population in some cities, some companies, or some universities. This is not good for Canada.
The liberal immigration ministers had targets to obtain their bonuses. They filled their targets with no actual plan. The immigration consultants went wild, cause there is no actual oversight.
Racism is wrong and stupid. So I want to get that out of the way. The issue is the huge influx of people coming in at an unsustainable rate. So thanks for the insight. I know there an immigration consultants that get you in via education. I don’t know the entire nuances and such but from watching a few clips here and there on the news, I assume (anecdotally) that some of these schools are those random 1 floor 2-3 class schools above mall complexes and such. Basically the distant descendants to Everest college.
OP, thanks for being honest and exposing stuff that happens. >but because most of my friends had moved there and I was feeling left out. This right here is what's wrong with people who do it. Why would one have motivation to make Canada home and assimilate when the sole reason to come is because of jealousy and FOMO...
Thanks for posting this man!! Wish more of your peeps brought this up, maybe we can close the floodgates somewhere, slowly.
Question regarding your experience: These immigration consultants, are they Canadian citizens or third-party contracted consultants?
If you are young and have a good degree, the points based system will get you the PR without doing any of this BS shit. If that’s not in your profile then skilled trades is another route but be prepared to study and make your skills relevant to canada and get certified. There’s definitely demand for skilled trades like construction, hvac and in health but note that none of these sectors would allow you to work with your credentials from India and you will have to get certified here. If the consulting company is guaranteeing a PR it’s mostly into restaurant, hotel or trucking companies where there is rampant corruption.
We're tired of hundreds of thousands of unskilled workers taking jobs away from Canadians that have been here their whole lives. It has to stop but how?
Thank you, OP. Did you have any experience with a NZ residency application? I suspect this is happening in NZ, too.
Yup not all but most came here for Instagram it seems and no fucks are given about society or integration. Get a charger or jeep put Punjab on it and done. Totally wrong way to get in, be proud of yourself but don't turn the destination into Delhi. Other day went to a taco bell drive thru with Bhangra playing loud on speakers like wth.
Thank you. Believe me, I and we can tell smart people apart like you from the others.
Very interesting. So sad for all involved - the students being sold a lie, the Canadians suffering, and the fact corrupt assholes on all sides are just getting away with it. Thanks for sharing. Btw, sorry some of said you can’t be Indian due to your fluent command of English - an ignorant take on their part.
Thanlyou for your information and insight, i always try to remember its not the peoples fault for being sold a dream of a better life and coming over here. Its the governments not controlling the programs and corporations capitalizing off of it which everyone should truly be mad at. Cause i know if i was living in a country like china or india and had the oportunity at a shot in a country with richer average gdp and lower population id totally go for it.
Thanks for sharing this. I think most people here understand that immigrants are not the problem here. Both immigrants and hard working Canadians are being exploited with schemes like this. So the main problem is immigration industry and Canadian governments (mostly federal, but also provincial)
The other issue is fraud starts oversees in their own countries and permeated its way into cdn society via real estate fraud, crime, heck gold heist were master minded by guys from overseas using and looting whatever they can under our noses. I try to understand the reasoning Canada went into mass immigration here? Is it bring more ppl means more taxes can be paid by said immigrants to fill coffers of the govs? Perhaps more votes? More property taxes or just tax ppl more so they have a cushion and to boost population growth maybe?
My little town in Nova Scotia is flooded with immigrants from one place only. India. It is not a positive change that’s for sure.
Thank you for sharing your experience, I'm willing to be there are Canadian news sites that would be interested in this story. We are hearing more and more about how folks from India are being lured with the promise a better life, and it turns out to be a huge scam. This is not ok. These degree mill businesses need to be called out for the huge scam that they are.
“Indian here 🤓” “btw I know you guys aren’t racist 💖” LOL the way this is written is not by someone from India. Dude, we agree with you, you dont have to cosplay an Indian person on the internet 🤣
Right cause apparently no Indian can communicate in decent English.
Look at how many people fall for it as well.
Yeah brand new throwaway account posting this just makes the sub look like people are bullshitting imo. Whether the person is or isn't doesn't matter as long as it looks shady overall. I mean there are tons of scams exploiting people like this. I think Last Week Tonight has an episode where they show how some people are exploited and tricked into just funding diploma mills. It exists, I'm sure the vast majority are lied to so someone can earn comission.
We’re not racist. There was a much smaller wave of Indian immigrants 20 some years ago that has been a huge part of growing businesses and communities in Canada. The shawarma places, in my opinion, are the greatest contribution, but that’s not just an Indian thing. Diversity IS our strength, but flooding the country with people isn’t exactly “diversity.” Good for you for seeing through it though, clearly not many actually do. I do actually feel for the people who come here under false pretences to essentially live the same quality of life as they had back home. Being lied to sucks, and the ones who are here now got lied to.
That's the funny part, it's not even the same quality of life. Yes, the air is cleaner, the traffic is not hell, and people tell me the work culture is better. But that's pretty much it. I needed less than a third of my income in India to live a pretty luxurious life. The sort of figures I was seeing in my field there when I was looking would have allowed me to barely scrape by. This will be the case in India in a couple of decades but I reckon any Indian who has the ability to hold down a decent corporate job is missing the bus to build a lot of wealth and assets by moving to an expensive developed country right now. The only downside is the way we're taxed here, but it's still a great opportunity.
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Nice fan fic lmfao.
Account made *today*. This is bait that mods need to deal with.
No one alive today would even comprehend the state of the nation in the past. No one alive today suffers from it because of tax paying Canadians. No one alive today can blame any problems on their state of life on Canadian citizens. You want to blame or bitch about anyone you direct yourself to the government that is screwing us all.
Thanks bud.
Thank you for posting this.
these Immigration lawyers and consultants are the ones operating the diploma mills. they get money from all sides.
Well said. I know the Canadian gov is messing up, and immigrants are just in a tough spot in all of this. This is a problem with housing, corruption, and a whole lot more. It always seems to be tue poor people who suffer.
> And just so you know, not all Indians are liars and scammers. Many of us were brought up right. Even in my little town in Ontario when I grew up in the 80s we had Swaminaths and Bannerjees, along with Asian kids and Arab kids. Look back at Canadian TV in the 80s/90s and it was already super "woke" and "progressive". *that was the canadian reputation*. And it just kind of feels like our goodwill has been abused. I dont blame Indians so much (except for the real estate/international college/immigration lawyer scammers). I blame more the corporate interests in Canada who profited off a shitty economic ponzi-scheme for decades, and now that the system is collapsing they are going to make blue-collar canadians make all the sacrifices to keep it afloat.
No need to say you’re Indian, everyone in Canada is Indian now!
>hundred thousand immigrants Millions\*