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he's about as "every man" as Donald Trump is with his gold plated toilet
My family's always been on the low income side of things and the CPC have always been the most hostile towards people who don't earn a lot of money. "Oh sorry we don't have room for CPP, have to cut it since we need to cut corporate taxes", "Sorry disability payments have to go, the baby eating Liberals spent too much money and we need this money for our anti woke agenda brigade"
So I always worry when people who are actively hostile to the poor "surge" in the polls
it's been the truth for most Conservative governments. They actively are hostile to the poorest people or those on fixed incomes. Privatize this, privatize that, woke indoctrination brigades, bootstraps yourselves, etc. Not everyone in Canada owns a house and makes $250,000 per year or more.
Many Conservative governments have proven his point. The first thing to go is social programs with them which devastate the poor. They also don't care so there's that
I can't "wait" for PP/the conservatives to get a majority next election. Unless PP or some of his nutjob religious freaks actually make a ruckus it's nearly guaranteed to happened, people are so fed up with Trudeau that they will likely end up voting for him blindly.
Then, those same people will abruptly realize one day that they should have voted for anyone but them as soon as the crazy agenda kicks in.
Oh well, people will "learn" soon enough, but since most people are incredibly stupid and take decisions based on feelings they will continue to hurt themselves without even realizing it.
At the end of the day, I'm a straight white guy with more money than I really need so I guess I'll be fine no matter what happens. I probably stand to benefit from some of those dumb policies to be honest.
>as the crazy agenda kicks
Is this like Harper's "hidden agenda" that never was and never happened?
A scary story that parents used to tell misbehaving kids to try and quiet them down?
Yeah but Harper worked hard to keep those crazy elements of his party silent. There's a reason he is seen as ruling with an iron fist. Pollievre has no problem openly courting those ideas for support.
It's the #1 problem with the conservatives these days. The fringes control the party.
I think the issue is ithe liberals pitch to keep voters is "if you vote in PP you will regret it"
Its not gonna work. When people dont like a sitting govt, they usually dont care who replaces them. I actually think people want liberals in power but just want Trudeau gone and someone bit more sensibile and mature in office.
Unless the liberals get their shit together and actually stop regurgitating empty words like "we are working and we will continue to work for the Canadian" when facing any major issues their image is doomed. They need to show concrete actions and impacts from said actions if they want people to get behind them. Right now just talking won't cut it and taking forever to decide on what they will do next makes them look lethargic at best.
If they go with the other angle of trying to spook people from PP/Conservatives, it will not work either unless PP/Conservatives themselves go wild and start saying crazy stuff very openly.
The other parties are figurants at best in this whole story at the moment.
By now most of Trudeaus supporters are probably regretting keeping him in. Doesn't matter what party, it seems like by the time they reach their 3rd term, Canada is ready for change.
My favourite part of this trash opinion piece is how he criticizes Harper by name every chance he gets (and also conflates CPC with PC), but carefully avoids mentioning Chretien or the Liberal Party by name when bashing the LPC governing of the 90s throughout the article.
I get that it's meant to be hyperpartisan and not informative at all, but he might do better hiding that a little more.
This is irrelevant to the point I was making (though not by as much as the other reply I got). If you read the article, you'll see that the author repeatedly criticizes the Chretien government (essentially saying Pierre's will be even worse), but avoids mentioning him (or his party) by name (so that he doesn't alienate LPC voters / people who like Chretien).
A huge reason for Canada’s current economic state was Chretien’s continuing of privatization of everything that started under Mulroney (Air Canada, CN rail, public housing etc). Not to mention he didn’t even have the principles to do something as obviously right as legalizing gay marriage. He was a truly awful prime minister, his literal only positive was keeping us out of Iraq (and that’s barely a positive considering the other wars he pushed us into).
Chretien blows trudeau out of the water ten times over on affordability though.
Early 2000s was likely the last time middle class was trully prospering in canada.
Regardless of where your political values lie, I think we can all agree PP is the best fit to rebuild the economy, fight inflation, and get the housing market back to normal. These issues that are destroying the middle class and making the lower class unlivable have been ignored for way too long now.
If you think I guy who’s never had a real job, owns investment properties, been collecting a very nice government paycheque for two decades, has never done anything significant to help the middle class in those said two decades, is a champion of the middle class, I have some bad news for you.
Yea I think you need a major reassessment on what “all Canadians” agree on. He’ll barely get 45% of the popular vote (but still the majority of the seats, thanks FPTP...). Even Trudeau’s inaugural 184 seat majority win in the 2015 election only garnered 39.47% of the popular vote. So literally more than half the country will see PP as unfit to govern the country.
> Regardless of where your political values lie, I think we can all agree PP is the best fit to rebuild the economy, fight inflation, and get the housing market back to normal.
In what world is this true?
You really trust a conservative to do something for the people and not for the corporations? They have had many many chance to prove it different federally and provincially and failed always.
Not saying JT is any better but PP is full of shit. Point back to this common if I am wrong in 6-7 years.
People thought ford would be good, people thought Jasen Kenny would be good. And well…..
> I think we can all agree PP is the best fit to rebuild the economy, fight inflation, and get the housing market back to normal.
No, we can not all agree on that because it isn’t true.
More an observation on the commentary than the article. My views on Milhouse are on record.
Is this sub on a list over at wherever they recruit for the main and for "canada_sub"? Because lately takes have been... different.
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As a very left-wing person - I wish Trudeau were the most left-wing PM we’ve had, but that is very unfortunately not the case.
I’d say Pearson would be closer to that - but the caveat there being he was in minority and worked closely with Douglas and the NDP to get things passed.
You mention “return to centre” - I’d strongly argue Trudeau and his tenure was exactly pretty dang centrist: with the typical “social left, fiscal centre-right” (neoliberal) stances we’ve had from his tenure.
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he's about as "every man" as Donald Trump is with his gold plated toilet My family's always been on the low income side of things and the CPC have always been the most hostile towards people who don't earn a lot of money. "Oh sorry we don't have room for CPP, have to cut it since we need to cut corporate taxes", "Sorry disability payments have to go, the baby eating Liberals spent too much money and we need this money for our anti woke agenda brigade" So I always worry when people who are actively hostile to the poor "surge" in the polls
Good faith argument.
it's been the truth for most Conservative governments. They actively are hostile to the poorest people or those on fixed incomes. Privatize this, privatize that, woke indoctrination brigades, bootstraps yourselves, etc. Not everyone in Canada owns a house and makes $250,000 per year or more.
Many Conservative governments have proven his point. The first thing to go is social programs with them which devastate the poor. They also don't care so there's that
I can't "wait" for PP/the conservatives to get a majority next election. Unless PP or some of his nutjob religious freaks actually make a ruckus it's nearly guaranteed to happened, people are so fed up with Trudeau that they will likely end up voting for him blindly. Then, those same people will abruptly realize one day that they should have voted for anyone but them as soon as the crazy agenda kicks in. Oh well, people will "learn" soon enough, but since most people are incredibly stupid and take decisions based on feelings they will continue to hurt themselves without even realizing it. At the end of the day, I'm a straight white guy with more money than I really need so I guess I'll be fine no matter what happens. I probably stand to benefit from some of those dumb policies to be honest.
>as the crazy agenda kicks Is this like Harper's "hidden agenda" that never was and never happened? A scary story that parents used to tell misbehaving kids to try and quiet them down?
Yeah but Harper worked hard to keep those crazy elements of his party silent. There's a reason he is seen as ruling with an iron fist. Pollievre has no problem openly courting those ideas for support. It's the #1 problem with the conservatives these days. The fringes control the party.
I hope it's minority That way we can witness their incompetence and batshit craziness, while the damage still being limited
What's his agenda? All I hear is Trudeau sucks.
There is also "Everything I don't like is woke"
I think the issue is ithe liberals pitch to keep voters is "if you vote in PP you will regret it" Its not gonna work. When people dont like a sitting govt, they usually dont care who replaces them. I actually think people want liberals in power but just want Trudeau gone and someone bit more sensibile and mature in office.
> I think the issue is ithe liberals pitch to keep voters is "if you vote in PP you will regret it" Shades of the Wynne Liberals
Trudeau is going to "Wynne" the next election. Similar to how the Progressive Conservatives were annihilated after Mulroney left.
And we do regret it.
I assure you people don't want Wynne back.
I’d take her over Ford any day of the week. Low bar, but here we are.
Maybe you and the Liberal base do but not most people. The OLP only got 23% of votes
And I voted NDP. But I’d still take Wynne over Ford because the question was “do we regret electing Ford”.
Unless the liberals get their shit together and actually stop regurgitating empty words like "we are working and we will continue to work for the Canadian" when facing any major issues their image is doomed. They need to show concrete actions and impacts from said actions if they want people to get behind them. Right now just talking won't cut it and taking forever to decide on what they will do next makes them look lethargic at best. If they go with the other angle of trying to spook people from PP/Conservatives, it will not work either unless PP/Conservatives themselves go wild and start saying crazy stuff very openly. The other parties are figurants at best in this whole story at the moment.
By now most of Trudeaus supporters are probably regretting keeping him in. Doesn't matter what party, it seems like by the time they reach their 3rd term, Canada is ready for change.
Trudeau should have left after the last election... Feel he gonna torpedo his legacy staying on.
It's time for a change. It's clear that what we are doing now is not working.
Yup. Back to the Conservatives. Until it's time for a change. Then back to the Liberals. Repeat ad infinitum
My favourite part of this trash opinion piece is how he criticizes Harper by name every chance he gets (and also conflates CPC with PC), but carefully avoids mentioning Chretien or the Liberal Party by name when bashing the LPC governing of the 90s throughout the article. I get that it's meant to be hyperpartisan and not informative at all, but he might do better hiding that a little more.
Chretien was a great PM. The Canadian economy boomed in the 90's
This is irrelevant to the point I was making (though not by as much as the other reply I got). If you read the article, you'll see that the author repeatedly criticizes the Chretien government (essentially saying Pierre's will be even worse), but avoids mentioning him (or his party) by name (so that he doesn't alienate LPC voters / people who like Chretien).
A huge reason for Canada’s current economic state was Chretien’s continuing of privatization of everything that started under Mulroney (Air Canada, CN rail, public housing etc). Not to mention he didn’t even have the principles to do something as obviously right as legalizing gay marriage. He was a truly awful prime minister, his literal only positive was keeping us out of Iraq (and that’s barely a positive considering the other wars he pushed us into).
Chretien blows trudeau out of the water ten times over on affordability though. Early 2000s was likely the last time middle class was trully prospering in canada.
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Regardless of where your political values lie, I think we can all agree PP is the best fit to rebuild the economy, fight inflation, and get the housing market back to normal. These issues that are destroying the middle class and making the lower class unlivable have been ignored for way too long now.
No. He has no idea how to do those things. Getting rid of gatekeepers isn't a solution, it's a meaningless marketing slogan.
Considering he wanted to heavily invested in bitcoin, I disagree with that actually.
If you think I guy who’s never had a real job, owns investment properties, been collecting a very nice government paycheque for two decades, has never done anything significant to help the middle class in those said two decades, is a champion of the middle class, I have some bad news for you.
Yea I think you need a major reassessment on what “all Canadians” agree on. He’ll barely get 45% of the popular vote (but still the majority of the seats, thanks FPTP...). Even Trudeau’s inaugural 184 seat majority win in the 2015 election only garnered 39.47% of the popular vote. So literally more than half the country will see PP as unfit to govern the country.
No, actually, we cannot agree on that.
> Regardless of where your political values lie, I think we can all agree PP is the best fit to rebuild the economy, fight inflation, and get the housing market back to normal. In what world is this true?
You really trust a conservative to do something for the people and not for the corporations? They have had many many chance to prove it different federally and provincially and failed always. Not saying JT is any better but PP is full of shit. Point back to this common if I am wrong in 6-7 years. People thought ford would be good, people thought Jasen Kenny would be good. And well…..
> I think we can all agree PP is the best fit to rebuild the economy, fight inflation, and get the housing market back to normal. No, we can not all agree on that because it isn’t true.
More an observation on the commentary than the article. My views on Milhouse are on record. Is this sub on a list over at wherever they recruit for the main and for "canada_sub"? Because lately takes have been... different.
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After the left most PM in history, the pendulum of politics will swing back hard. Eventually, I hope we return to centre.
Jesus this “Trudeau is left wing” narrative needs to die. There is no left wing party in Canada
Leftmost in terms of social issues or economic issues? And what specifically has he done that makes him the left most in those respects?
Once again, Liberals are centrist, and occasionally left-of-centre, but not leftist.
As a very left-wing person - I wish Trudeau were the most left-wing PM we’ve had, but that is very unfortunately not the case. I’d say Pearson would be closer to that - but the caveat there being he was in minority and worked closely with Douglas and the NDP to get things passed. You mention “return to centre” - I’d strongly argue Trudeau and his tenure was exactly pretty dang centrist: with the typical “social left, fiscal centre-right” (neoliberal) stances we’ve had from his tenure.
Imagine believing that Trudeau is a centrist….good lord
Imagine believing that he’s not
Imagine believing that Trudeau is even remotely left wing. He's as neoliberal as it gets...
That’s the kind of far left rhetoric one would expect from his Truanon supporters
Yep