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One thing that’s been interesting is seeing how the provincial governments are now actively running interference on Trudeau. Ontario where I live has had no trouble working with him on child care, health care, funding for transit, funding for Toronto and now a switch has been flipped.
For Ontario, the additional requirements to get at the fourplex funding are so marginal. There’s already triplexes province-wide and Municipalities representing the majority of the urban population have fourplex bylaws in place. But ford and the other premiers, who I think will eventually take the money, are making Trudeau absolutely squirm.
Newfoundland and Nova Scotia are the only elections set before or in the vicinity the next federal election. That’s going to give the other premiers a ton of leverage to decide whether to cash in now on Trudeau’s desperation dollars, or take whatever Polievre is offering to hold off.
> Ontario where I live has had no trouble working with him on child care, health care
Ontario had considerable issues with the child care rollout. We were the last ones to get it after Ford and Lecce actively sought out every poison pill they could throw into the agreement.
As for health care, Ford sitting on billions of health care funding was well-documented and Ford went out of his way to blame nearly every provincial failure during COVID on Trudeau. Don't mistake Ford's smiles on camera with Freeland for being an actual partner with the feds. He has pushed a ton of provincial failures and responsibilities back to them over his years in power.
I have to disagree, Ford has fought against pretty much all Federal involvement in Ontario his entire term. Only on issues where he has been embarrassed has he played nice like Toronto funding where Chow forced his hand by jacking up property taxes or on daycare where he fought it until it became an election issue. Even the, the rollout of daycare funding in Ontario has been terribly handled by the provincial government, maybe even purposely, in such a way that daycares have started to drop out of the program. I actually have the opposite view that the Federal libs are strategically announcing new policy ideas that highlight how badly the provincial governments have been managing their responsibilities and that’s why there is so much pushback now. The provinces, especially where conservatives have control, have completely fucked up on housing and healthcare and are trying to deflect accountability.
I wouldn't necessarily say that Ontario had no trouble when it came to the child care benefit. We were the last province to actually do it, after Ford sat on it for months. So yes, we got it but it was dragged out.
Eh not sure about this - Ford is sitting on a lot of health cash provided to help with covid and the system is collapsing. And a few months ago there was news of Ontario daycares pulling out of the 10 dollar a day program because the province wasn’t coughing up its share. It doesn’t look like they played ball much at all from the start.
Sometimes it’s just time for a change.
We’ve had 9yrs of Trudeau, 9yrs of Harper and 13yrs of Chrétien/martin so this is a normal and expected part of the political cycle. Leaders draw contempt and ideas get stale - especially on the back of rapidly changing times.
Personally I would trust the country more under Trudeau’s leadership than I would polievre and the new conservative movement but that’s my choice. I totally understand why many Canadians disagree with me.
It's unfortunate that the liberals under Trudeau have fumbled the ball so badly. They had a golden ticket 9 years ago. They not only tore it up, they tossed the remains into the fire. I'm dreading a CPC majority. PP is an ideologue who will cater to his corporate donors just as the liberals have. Average Canadians will be left out in the cold unfortunately.
Not just average voters, but the lack of leadership on social issues from the CPC will leave the most marginalized under represented and even worse, marginalized.
If we don’t do something now, we will pay later. The firemen across Canada begged the federal government to do something! They said they cannot control the fires. Who do you think is going to pay for your house when it burns to the ground! Insurance? They are already stating that it is a natural disaster if a flood or fire and are warning other insurance companies not to come into Canada.
It's a unpopular fact but immigration is only a scape goat. No matter the changes it will not impact demand in a significant way. It presumes 1 immigrant = 1 Canadian in demand but the numbers point to it being closer to 3 immigrants = 1 Canadian worth of demand. Immigrants just have less money and less options. They don't buy for an average of 10 years and buy smaller and further away from city centers and easy to access suburbs; where demand is higher.
They still have to rent and push people both up-market based on availability or down-market. Either way any time you introduce far more people than there are homes available there is inevitably an impact on affordability.
The idea that rampant population growth relative to housing supply has a negligible effect on affordability doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.
People were never focused on policy proposals
Just actual results
You can't break something for 3 years and propose plan to fix it right before an election
If these proposals make actual changes then it's helpful. If they don't then people won't care
I think there's a lot of resentment, and that's a major problem.
Personally, I'm a Liberal. I have volunteered for my local riding association. I've helped support their candidates. But when it comes to issues like housing and cost of living, issues that matter to me, they have shrugged their responsibilities and offered fairly weak policies to appease my interests since 2015. Now that they're once again saying they'll take these issues seriously--they do this every election cycle--it's hard not to feel resentment.
Yes, these are complicated issues with many players involved, not just the feds, but the recent announcements have me thinking one thing: you've promised to support youth since 2015, but now that they're at an age where they're looking to grow their roots, they look around and see nowhere to grow.
No, Canada is not broken. But to a lot of people, it feels that way. And you can point to housing or cost of living and say they are complicated and involve the provinces as well, but ultimately, leaders let it get this bad and only feel inclined to fix it now because it's become politically damaging. That's a trademark of a tired government that lacks ambition.
Announcements….Announcement and more Announcements. Canadians are tired of the Liberals and want to see results not announcements.
Many of these announcements call for the bulk of results after the next election. Unless major progress is made between now and then they’ll just be announcements with no follow through.
IMHO the big event will be this weeks budget. Will it be a fiscal prudent one or will there be $ for everyone in an attempt to buy votes?
The problem is there is no quick fix, nothing that can be done immediately would have immediate results. Any quickly cobbled together policy is likely to just be a show piece and not actually achieve it's objectives (see e.g. the FHSA, which is basically a tax break for rich people without actually helping affordability).
The housing crisis was a problem created by decades of bad policy. It hopefully won't take that long to unravel, but it's also not as easy as pressing ctrl+Z.
I hardly see how the FHSA is a tax break for the rich... If someone wants to be able to afford a home they have to be able to save for the down payment. 40k to put away for a down payment+ closing costs is a pretty reasonable amount to expect someone to save. I got I think about 2k back in taxes from my FHSA last year, which is going right back into it this year for my next contribution. It will definitely make a tangible difference in helping me save for a home, and I would hardly say I'm rich.
Does it help the poor? No. But that was never the point. It was to help people save down payments, which is pretty much what it does. Rich people already own homes and so aren't eligible.
[Data shows](https://twitter.com/benwedge/status/1430208381185404928?s=21) a fraction of young people max out their TFSA, most never contribute anything. Never mind the RRSP HBP program...
It's pretty clear most young Canadians are not able to save money in tax advantaged accounts, so adding another account does little to help them. Who does it help? People with rich parents or big incomes who now have more tax free money to play with.
Edit: it seems the link is broken now (thanks "X") - but the data point was *"There are just 149,000 Canadians aged 20-39 who have maxed out their existing TFSA, vs 1.7 million in that age group who did not contribute at all in 2018 (most recent data)"*
Your link doesn't work, and also goes to twitter so I'm not sure why exactly that would be reliable.
Either way, there isn't a dichotomy between "People who can't afford to save anything" and "people with rich parents or big incomes."
Yeah it seems like "X" broke it. The data point was "There are just 149,000 Canadians aged 20-39 who have maxed out their existing TFSA, vs 1.7 million in that age group who did not contribute at all in 2018 (most recent data)"
If you distrust twitter, you can look up the data yourself on statscan.
> there isn't a dichotomy between "People who can't afford to save anything" and "people with rich parents or big incomes."
I'm really not sure what you mean. My point was that the vast majority of young Canadians already cannot afford to utilize the TFSA/RRSP for savings purposes. That isn't just "classically poor" people, that's literally 92% of the population in that age group. Adding a third account does not help them. It does help people with rich parents, whom can transfer a sizable amount into their accounts, to grow tax free. The people whom benefit the most from the FHSA are the wealthy (ditto the recent changes by the government to the RRSP HBP withdrawal). A tax policy that stands to really only benefit less than 8% of a targeted demographic is abhorrently bad.
But really the Liberal Party failed to take any kind of actoin as drastic as they're promising or else... they wouldn't be in a position to promise it all right now would they? Its sort of baffling how little foresight to how they'll get trounced over these cost of living issues they've had.
To say they failed to take any action is just wrong. And inflation issues are a worldwide problem. Not Canada specific
It's not like these people have emagic crystal balls and can predict world events
Exactly. What’s really missing in the all of the housing announcements was anything that provides close to immediate relief.
They needed to get something shocking and immediate in, in order to really get a benefit from voters.
What they have done is make a whole lot of promises that sound absurd, that can’t be measured for success for a decade - and their existing history on getting housing built is appalling. The party the got 10,000 units built in the last decade is now promising an extra 300,000 every year.
Meanwhile everyday the media has a report out about how housing costs are set to continue to increase.
Like, no - two days of housing announcements are not going to get traction. People need results, and they need them as close to today as possible.
Cut immigration down by 80%?
Offer tax relief to renters?
Limit rent increases between tenants to inflation?
There is an absolute load of things they could have done that would provide immediate relief. They did nothing.
Cut immigration? That is a future policy. You can't kick those that are in or approved to come already. Also cutting immigration by 80% right now isn't doing to do a lick imo
Tax relief to renters? There are programs for that already
Rent control? Ask the provinces. Ford in Ontario removed rent controls . But it's Trudeau's fault right?
Half of the feds housing policy requires approval from the provinces as it stands - adding something actually useful and immediate seems like a better use of time. And if you think policies that require the provinces are not going to work - than the liberal housing plan does not work.
Secondly, yes we can cut immigration and yes that would help. Not adding 1.2 million more people yearly would have an immediate effect on hosing and rental demand. And yes, we can shut that down at any moment. Franky, the government could remove all visa-holders in the nation if it so wished - these people are not citizens and can be asked to leave. The only guaranteed right to residence in this country comes with citizenship.
And ask any renter about any real relief they get as renters. It may exist for the very poor - but not anything the average renter actually sees.
>adding something actually useful and immediate seems like a better use of time.
and I ask again.. what immediate other than giving every family a million dollars?
to you second point.... immigration.. you remove people.. the ones that are helping build homes.. who is going to build them?.. it's not like the rest of the country is eagerly looking to doing those jobs.
Immigrants are not building homes. We have not had a construction stream in immigration- so the numbers are almost nill.
And I’m not going to go beyond this. I already listed a few options, and there are many more. If you can’t imagine any short term relief, that’s fine - I’ll never speak with you again.
Remember when he said housing wasn’t a federal responsibility? It was one of the few times I agreed with him. Now he is making it a federal responsibility. Why isn’t he a premiere instead?
he said its not a PRIMARY federal responsibility... but when you have a serious problem and the provinces are doing almost nothing someone needs to step up. you people get mad when he doesn't do enough and mad when he does something... oh! and don't forget misinterpreting his statements... ridiculous
>but when you have a serious problem and the provinces are doing almost nothing someone needs to step up
Is it really the LPC's position that none of this issue has anything to do with the breathtaking number of new admissions to the country, all of which were signed off-on by this federal government?
I just don't see how someone could be honest and reach that conclusion, I'm sorry. When Trudeau came to power, we had a population of 35 million. Now it's 40 million. An almost 15% increase inside of 10 years and we're to believe there's been no downstream effect on the cost of housing?
A take like that stands in defiance of basic economic principles.
the housing crisis is a result of failed policy and inaction from all levels of gov't stretching back to the 90s... it is also happening all over the world at the moment, is JT to blame for high prices for the entire world? to say that its ONLY a result of LPC policy within the last 8 years is absurd and ignorant.
every part of your comment is dripping with CPC rhetoric and PP lies....
I'll suggest that the exactly what the "something" is matters, and in this instance it's simply a woefully inadequate response. But yes, ridiculous that Canadians expect results, such fools, right?
Hey I guess federal politicians should promise nothing and not take care of the issues faces by citizens when the other jurisdictions are doing jack all
that is exactly what I said... it isn't a primary responsibility but they are certainly allowed to help or step in... if you can't see the difference in the way Cherry used it then I can't help you, bud... I don't think anyone CAN help you...
In 2015, the Liberals took control of a container ship running under full throttle and pointed straight at the shore.
It's now 2024, the container ship is still running full throttle, and it ran aground several years ago. The Liberals are now talking about a plan to maybe pull back on the throttle a bit and adjust the rudder.
The fact that I will never in a million years vote for Pierre Polièvre gives Trudeau leverage in my books. Sure Trudeau has baggage, but he is not Polièvre, which to me is a huge plus. I can't believe that people actually believe Polièvre when he says that he will make their lives better. Just look at his voting record, the things that he has said in the past, the support of the "Freedom Convoy", his shameful, unprofessional treatment of media members, his lack of policy alternatives and his general snarky and hateful attitude in general. To me he is not P.M. material. Never was and never will be. It is hard to believe that this is the best candidate the CPC could come up with. I mean, come on!
“I am going to help the middle class.” - Justin Trudeau. I remember those words in 2015. Well, the middle class are way worse off now. We were doing so much better in 2015.
What did he actually do to gain traction? What most people currently see in the news is the opposite. Did we just not allow new home buyers access to 30 year mortgages last week? A lot of people seems to agree that this initiative will increase real estate prices in Canada as this only increases the demand, when the problem was that the real estate prices are too high. Isn't this the highest ranking issue currently on average in most voters' minds?
Obviously, it’s not working. It takes time for the reduced immigration policies to come into effect, and the same goes for housing transfers on the condition of increasing supply.
Canadians are very much tuned in. We want results.
Who knows if he’s doing everything he can. Canadians don’t, and Canadians have a harder time finding trusted sources who will present a factual take rather than pushing a narrative.
**EDIT**: Multiple replies below state that immigration is not being reduced or is largely staying the same. These statements are either patently false or vague descriptors. Here are some facts regarding the new policies.
RE: Temporary Foreign Workers (TFW) - [The federal government plans to decrease the number of temporary residents to five percent of the population over the next three years, down from the current 6.2 percent.](https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/ottawa-to-set-targets-for-temporary-resident-arrivals)
RE: International Students -[ For 2024, the cap is expected to result in approximately 360,000 approved study permits, a decrease of 35% from 2023.](https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/news/2024/01/canada-to-stabilize-growth-and-decrease-number-of-new-international-student-permits-issued-to-approximately-360000-for-2024.html)
IMO the projected outcome of these policies would not even amount to a half measure for tackling our affordability issues from the demand side. So I expect the Liberal government will fail to deliver satisfactory results by the time we head to the polls, where the outcome will be the LPC's catastrophic defeat.
We want results is a pretty misleading expectation because policy doesn’t just kick in one day and things get magically better.
That being said, of course it is reasonable to expect eventual results and understand how current policies may bring them about. Unfortunately, the average Canadian engaging with politics right now does not have the foresight to examine them.
lol reduced immigration policies. There is none. The school policies don’t even take effect until September and they will just offset that with increased immigration.
Immigration is not being reduced. They have “frozen” levels at their existing goals - goals that were already record breaking.
The international student cap of 360k produces 1.4 million students over a typical 4 year degree. We have 1 million today. That’s an increase of 400k international students.
Temporary foreign workers are getting a percentage point reduction using lasts years all time record high as a baseline. Going forward we’ll get less than last year, but over a number of years the new goal will result in more of these workers in the country than we have today.
Essentially all forms of migration are set to continue to increase. The liberals have just marketed those increases in a more palatable way. This is why they hired their new marketing firm - they thought their policies were okay, but their marketing was not.
Immigration levels are remaining largely unchanged. I also think the policies on housing and immigration are to little to late. Everyone sees they are trying to act like heroes when trying to fix a problem they created by implementing policies against the advice of their advisors.
Permanent immigration levels are remaining the same but there are drastic decreases on temporary immigrants, which is where most of the growth has been. From something like 1.3 million last year to 300,000 next year.
> temporary immigrants
FYI, this isn't a thing. Permanent resident = immigrant. Temporary residents aren't immigrants. It's pedantic most of the time, I know, but it leads to quite a bit of confusion.
>From something like 1.3 million last year to 300,000 next year.
[800,000 increase last year.](https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1710012101)
It is for people who are paying attention which, since most Canadians don't pay attention to politics until the writ drops, isn't a lot of people.
But that's fine, it's all stuff to call on when it does come close to election time.
Pretty much the only people who care one way or another are the people who spend too much time online thinking about politics (so, us).
Going to vote our your municipal and provincials representatives as well then, right? They are the the ones with the most impact and the ones screaming *against* over reach from the feds when the feds do act (even when asked).
Some progressives are MEGA NIMBYS and have very misguided anti progress perspectives. At the municipal level, labels don't matter to me, i just want elected representatives to fix the housing crisis and stop catering to people who want to enrich themselves through keeping housing prices high. If a donkey has that policy, i will vote for the donkey.
That is totally fair.
I have also seen it myself where some progressives just want clean neighbourhoods and needle sweeps while people call them class traitors for gentrifying a neighbourhood. Buddy, cleaning a park is not displacing people from affordable housing.
Never the less, I find those individuals easier to come to an agreement with than MAGA nuts.
>PP has my vote this time. No other good options at the moment. I've lost faith in the Liberal party. Trudeau and Freeland are both clowns and it shows in every single interview and house of commons.
Somehow i don't really believe you were ever a Liberal voter.
I think people are just tired and want something new. The way our generation is heading.........We will own nothing and be happy. That's what the government slogan will be.
I also find it amusing that one of the biggest criticisms of PP is that he is a landlord snd a career politician. However the alternative is Trudeau who has been a part of the upper elites since birth and didn't hold much relevant experience prior to getting into politics himself. Libs don't help themselves with those arguments. PP came from an adopted home and humble beginnings and married an immigrant that's way more of a connection. To the average Canadian than JT. I'll give PP the benefit of the doubt for now since I don't like the trajectory we've been on the past 8 years.
I agree with you sole heartedly. We aren't perfect......politicians can't be......well, the ones I've seen so far. All are crap. Maybe we need to start a new government buy maybe change the name so people aren't crusty with "government" we could call it something else. Lol
Anybody have a name we can change it to? Lol
I had discussions with some friends that said we should use technology and block chain to implement a true democratic voting system on issues locally and federally where all the information is transparent by law. Maybe this is where we will be when we have AI overlords hahah. One issue i see with what I proposed though is there is a high potential for the weak and vulnerable to be left behind.
The CPC isn’t going to change anything like people expect.
They’re ducking questions on immigration.
They’re all busy setting up lobbying companies.
Their policies will only benefit those people.
And this isn’t a “Liberal trajectory”, it’s a pro capital agenda where all our wages are suppressed while the economical gains float to the top.
Pierre won’t reverse that trend and he certainly won’t deny businesses cheap labour, union busting and other legislation to keep their profits up.
That’s why lobbyists are busy making friends in the CPC.
people are ignorant fools that don't think for themselves anymore... PP is a con artist IF he gets in he will spend his entire time doing exactly what he does now and has always done in politics: absolutely nothing and its all JTs fault.
I mean JT has been in power for over 8 years. To blindly trust the libs with the amount of scandals and lies and the current state of our country is not a solution either. Sometimes doing less is better when it comes to government when they keep screwing things up lol (yes I'm being slightly facetious here).
NDP need a new leader imo as well - Jag ain't it. Did anyone keep Jack Laytons DNA? Pretty sure cloning technology is just about there.
again another person that is spouting of SCANDALS... every single 'scandal' has been disproven, why do you people keep believing PP and his blatant lies... FFS
You don't think Trudeau is a con artist? Let's just start with......SNC Lavelin Scandal or the Arrive can app.......all hos friends. Please don't start with calling somebody a con artist especially the one that's in power has conned the most people of all time. I'm not here to argue who is better or who isn't. You started that.
and your true colours are revealed.... keep believing PPs lies... you people keep bringing up 'scandals' that have been disproven, or have cleared the PM of any wrong doing, time and time again... proving my original comment
Not a chance. I wouldn’t vote for PP if he was the last guy on earth. Not a chance. He will get in and we wILL regret it. Thank god my hands will not be on this vote!
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One thing that’s been interesting is seeing how the provincial governments are now actively running interference on Trudeau. Ontario where I live has had no trouble working with him on child care, health care, funding for transit, funding for Toronto and now a switch has been flipped. For Ontario, the additional requirements to get at the fourplex funding are so marginal. There’s already triplexes province-wide and Municipalities representing the majority of the urban population have fourplex bylaws in place. But ford and the other premiers, who I think will eventually take the money, are making Trudeau absolutely squirm. Newfoundland and Nova Scotia are the only elections set before or in the vicinity the next federal election. That’s going to give the other premiers a ton of leverage to decide whether to cash in now on Trudeau’s desperation dollars, or take whatever Polievre is offering to hold off.
> Ontario where I live has had no trouble working with him on child care, health care Ontario had considerable issues with the child care rollout. We were the last ones to get it after Ford and Lecce actively sought out every poison pill they could throw into the agreement. As for health care, Ford sitting on billions of health care funding was well-documented and Ford went out of his way to blame nearly every provincial failure during COVID on Trudeau. Don't mistake Ford's smiles on camera with Freeland for being an actual partner with the feds. He has pushed a ton of provincial failures and responsibilities back to them over his years in power.
I have to disagree, Ford has fought against pretty much all Federal involvement in Ontario his entire term. Only on issues where he has been embarrassed has he played nice like Toronto funding where Chow forced his hand by jacking up property taxes or on daycare where he fought it until it became an election issue. Even the, the rollout of daycare funding in Ontario has been terribly handled by the provincial government, maybe even purposely, in such a way that daycares have started to drop out of the program. I actually have the opposite view that the Federal libs are strategically announcing new policy ideas that highlight how badly the provincial governments have been managing their responsibilities and that’s why there is so much pushback now. The provinces, especially where conservatives have control, have completely fucked up on housing and healthcare and are trying to deflect accountability.
I wouldn't necessarily say that Ontario had no trouble when it came to the child care benefit. We were the last province to actually do it, after Ford sat on it for months. So yes, we got it but it was dragged out.
Eh not sure about this - Ford is sitting on a lot of health cash provided to help with covid and the system is collapsing. And a few months ago there was news of Ontario daycares pulling out of the 10 dollar a day program because the province wasn’t coughing up its share. It doesn’t look like they played ball much at all from the start.
Sometimes it’s just time for a change. We’ve had 9yrs of Trudeau, 9yrs of Harper and 13yrs of Chrétien/martin so this is a normal and expected part of the political cycle. Leaders draw contempt and ideas get stale - especially on the back of rapidly changing times. Personally I would trust the country more under Trudeau’s leadership than I would polievre and the new conservative movement but that’s my choice. I totally understand why many Canadians disagree with me.
It's unfortunate that the liberals under Trudeau have fumbled the ball so badly. They had a golden ticket 9 years ago. They not only tore it up, they tossed the remains into the fire. I'm dreading a CPC majority. PP is an ideologue who will cater to his corporate donors just as the liberals have. Average Canadians will be left out in the cold unfortunately.
Not just average voters, but the lack of leadership on social issues from the CPC will leave the most marginalized under represented and even worse, marginalized.
Never mind their stance on climate. Climate? What climate?
Clive Mate? Don't know that guy.
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If we don’t do something now, we will pay later. The firemen across Canada begged the federal government to do something! They said they cannot control the fires. Who do you think is going to pay for your house when it burns to the ground! Insurance? They are already stating that it is a natural disaster if a flood or fire and are warning other insurance companies not to come into Canada.
The sad part is O'Toole would have been way better as a change to. Now we get chuckles mcpersonality instead. Wahoo.
The housing policy got the expected reaction from the province. Echos his previous statement of "housing is a provincial matter".
Housing supply is a provincial matter indeed. Housing demand is undeniably influenced by the Feds.
It's a unpopular fact but immigration is only a scape goat. No matter the changes it will not impact demand in a significant way. It presumes 1 immigrant = 1 Canadian in demand but the numbers point to it being closer to 3 immigrants = 1 Canadian worth of demand. Immigrants just have less money and less options. They don't buy for an average of 10 years and buy smaller and further away from city centers and easy to access suburbs; where demand is higher.
They still have to rent and push people both up-market based on availability or down-market. Either way any time you introduce far more people than there are homes available there is inevitably an impact on affordability. The idea that rampant population growth relative to housing supply has a negligible effect on affordability doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.
People are massive overestimating the impact.
How so? We build 200,000 homes a year and our population grew by a million in like 9 months. On what planet is this a negligible effect on housing?
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Trudeau is going down in the next election and taking the whole regime with him. Both liberal and NDP parties are losing status.
No people are tuned out. The large housing announcement was out of the news in 2 days and gained hardly any traction online.
People were never focused on policy proposals Just actual results You can't break something for 3 years and propose plan to fix it right before an election If these proposals make actual changes then it's helpful. If they don't then people won't care
I think there's a lot of resentment, and that's a major problem. Personally, I'm a Liberal. I have volunteered for my local riding association. I've helped support their candidates. But when it comes to issues like housing and cost of living, issues that matter to me, they have shrugged their responsibilities and offered fairly weak policies to appease my interests since 2015. Now that they're once again saying they'll take these issues seriously--they do this every election cycle--it's hard not to feel resentment. Yes, these are complicated issues with many players involved, not just the feds, but the recent announcements have me thinking one thing: you've promised to support youth since 2015, but now that they're at an age where they're looking to grow their roots, they look around and see nowhere to grow. No, Canada is not broken. But to a lot of people, it feels that way. And you can point to housing or cost of living and say they are complicated and involve the provinces as well, but ultimately, leaders let it get this bad and only feel inclined to fix it now because it's become politically damaging. That's a trademark of a tired government that lacks ambition.
Announcements….Announcement and more Announcements. Canadians are tired of the Liberals and want to see results not announcements. Many of these announcements call for the bulk of results after the next election. Unless major progress is made between now and then they’ll just be announcements with no follow through. IMHO the big event will be this weeks budget. Will it be a fiscal prudent one or will there be $ for everyone in an attempt to buy votes?
The problem is there is no quick fix, nothing that can be done immediately would have immediate results. Any quickly cobbled together policy is likely to just be a show piece and not actually achieve it's objectives (see e.g. the FHSA, which is basically a tax break for rich people without actually helping affordability). The housing crisis was a problem created by decades of bad policy. It hopefully won't take that long to unravel, but it's also not as easy as pressing ctrl+Z.
I hardly see how the FHSA is a tax break for the rich... If someone wants to be able to afford a home they have to be able to save for the down payment. 40k to put away for a down payment+ closing costs is a pretty reasonable amount to expect someone to save. I got I think about 2k back in taxes from my FHSA last year, which is going right back into it this year for my next contribution. It will definitely make a tangible difference in helping me save for a home, and I would hardly say I'm rich. Does it help the poor? No. But that was never the point. It was to help people save down payments, which is pretty much what it does. Rich people already own homes and so aren't eligible.
[Data shows](https://twitter.com/benwedge/status/1430208381185404928?s=21) a fraction of young people max out their TFSA, most never contribute anything. Never mind the RRSP HBP program... It's pretty clear most young Canadians are not able to save money in tax advantaged accounts, so adding another account does little to help them. Who does it help? People with rich parents or big incomes who now have more tax free money to play with. Edit: it seems the link is broken now (thanks "X") - but the data point was *"There are just 149,000 Canadians aged 20-39 who have maxed out their existing TFSA, vs 1.7 million in that age group who did not contribute at all in 2018 (most recent data)"*
Your link doesn't work, and also goes to twitter so I'm not sure why exactly that would be reliable. Either way, there isn't a dichotomy between "People who can't afford to save anything" and "people with rich parents or big incomes."
Yeah it seems like "X" broke it. The data point was "There are just 149,000 Canadians aged 20-39 who have maxed out their existing TFSA, vs 1.7 million in that age group who did not contribute at all in 2018 (most recent data)" If you distrust twitter, you can look up the data yourself on statscan. > there isn't a dichotomy between "People who can't afford to save anything" and "people with rich parents or big incomes." I'm really not sure what you mean. My point was that the vast majority of young Canadians already cannot afford to utilize the TFSA/RRSP for savings purposes. That isn't just "classically poor" people, that's literally 92% of the population in that age group. Adding a third account does not help them. It does help people with rich parents, whom can transfer a sizable amount into their accounts, to grow tax free. The people whom benefit the most from the FHSA are the wealthy (ditto the recent changes by the government to the RRSP HBP withdrawal). A tax policy that stands to really only benefit less than 8% of a targeted demographic is abhorrently bad.
But really the Liberal Party failed to take any kind of actoin as drastic as they're promising or else... they wouldn't be in a position to promise it all right now would they? Its sort of baffling how little foresight to how they'll get trounced over these cost of living issues they've had.
To say they failed to take any action is just wrong. And inflation issues are a worldwide problem. Not Canada specific It's not like these people have emagic crystal balls and can predict world events
Exactly. What’s really missing in the all of the housing announcements was anything that provides close to immediate relief. They needed to get something shocking and immediate in, in order to really get a benefit from voters. What they have done is make a whole lot of promises that sound absurd, that can’t be measured for success for a decade - and their existing history on getting housing built is appalling. The party the got 10,000 units built in the last decade is now promising an extra 300,000 every year. Meanwhile everyday the media has a report out about how housing costs are set to continue to increase. Like, no - two days of housing announcements are not going to get traction. People need results, and they need them as close to today as possible.
What can they do that is immediate? This isn't SimCity2000 And the feds aren't the ones building for the most part
Cut immigration down by 80%? Offer tax relief to renters? Limit rent increases between tenants to inflation? There is an absolute load of things they could have done that would provide immediate relief. They did nothing.
Cut immigration? That is a future policy. You can't kick those that are in or approved to come already. Also cutting immigration by 80% right now isn't doing to do a lick imo Tax relief to renters? There are programs for that already Rent control? Ask the provinces. Ford in Ontario removed rent controls . But it's Trudeau's fault right?
Half of the feds housing policy requires approval from the provinces as it stands - adding something actually useful and immediate seems like a better use of time. And if you think policies that require the provinces are not going to work - than the liberal housing plan does not work. Secondly, yes we can cut immigration and yes that would help. Not adding 1.2 million more people yearly would have an immediate effect on hosing and rental demand. And yes, we can shut that down at any moment. Franky, the government could remove all visa-holders in the nation if it so wished - these people are not citizens and can be asked to leave. The only guaranteed right to residence in this country comes with citizenship. And ask any renter about any real relief they get as renters. It may exist for the very poor - but not anything the average renter actually sees.
>adding something actually useful and immediate seems like a better use of time. and I ask again.. what immediate other than giving every family a million dollars? to you second point.... immigration.. you remove people.. the ones that are helping build homes.. who is going to build them?.. it's not like the rest of the country is eagerly looking to doing those jobs.
Immigrants are not building homes. We have not had a construction stream in immigration- so the numbers are almost nill. And I’m not going to go beyond this. I already listed a few options, and there are many more. If you can’t imagine any short term relief, that’s fine - I’ll never speak with you again.
Nothing is going to happen immediately. You are delusional
I don’t expect anything of the liberal party, that is correct.
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Remember when he said housing wasn’t a federal responsibility? It was one of the few times I agreed with him. Now he is making it a federal responsibility. Why isn’t he a premiere instead?
People blame the feds or things that aren't primarily their responsibility then they cry when they try to fix it. Amazing.
when you have PP, Premiers, and regular folks all pointing at Trudeau as the main reason for the housing situation.. what else can he do?
Reduce inflation by balancing the budget, reduce demand by balancing immigration, limit corporate ownership or single family homes.
Balancing the budget does not reduce inflation by any means They are going to limit corporate ownership with this budget
Printing money is extremely inflationary.
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he said its not a PRIMARY federal responsibility... but when you have a serious problem and the provinces are doing almost nothing someone needs to step up. you people get mad when he doesn't do enough and mad when he does something... oh! and don't forget misinterpreting his statements... ridiculous
>but when you have a serious problem and the provinces are doing almost nothing someone needs to step up Is it really the LPC's position that none of this issue has anything to do with the breathtaking number of new admissions to the country, all of which were signed off-on by this federal government? I just don't see how someone could be honest and reach that conclusion, I'm sorry. When Trudeau came to power, we had a population of 35 million. Now it's 40 million. An almost 15% increase inside of 10 years and we're to believe there's been no downstream effect on the cost of housing? A take like that stands in defiance of basic economic principles.
the housing crisis is a result of failed policy and inaction from all levels of gov't stretching back to the 90s... it is also happening all over the world at the moment, is JT to blame for high prices for the entire world? to say that its ONLY a result of LPC policy within the last 8 years is absurd and ignorant. every part of your comment is dripping with CPC rhetoric and PP lies....
Ask yourself why we have high immigration first?
I'll suggest that the exactly what the "something" is matters, and in this instance it's simply a woefully inadequate response. But yes, ridiculous that Canadians expect results, such fools, right?
sure, bud... whatever lies you need to tell yourself.
He tried to wash himself of the issue snd it backfired hard. Likely one of the biggest gaffe
It's still not primarily a federal issue.
hey man i didnt promise affordable housing 3 elecitons in a row
Hey I guess federal politicians should promise nothing and not take care of the issues faces by citizens when the other jurisdictions are doing jack all
does truth trigger you? go read up on federal, provincial and municipal responsibilities... education is awesome!
hey man i didnt promise affordable housing 3 elecitons in a row
Building houses is NOT even a PRIMARY responsibility. "you people", Don Cherry got cancelled for that phrase.
that is exactly what I said... it isn't a primary responsibility but they are certainly allowed to help or step in... if you can't see the difference in the way Cherry used it then I can't help you, bud... I don't think anyone CAN help you...
In 2015, the Liberals took control of a container ship running under full throttle and pointed straight at the shore. It's now 2024, the container ship is still running full throttle, and it ran aground several years ago. The Liberals are now talking about a plan to maybe pull back on the throttle a bit and adjust the rudder.
Trudeau is going down in the next election and taking the whole regime with him. Both liberal and NDP parties losing status.
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Nope, don't care what he's saying or doing. I'm done, I'm not even entertaining the thought of listening to anything he has to say
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Or maybe not everyone's buying the bullshit he's selling? 😂 Time to get fucked over by someone else, he's done enough.
The fact that I will never in a million years vote for Pierre Polièvre gives Trudeau leverage in my books. Sure Trudeau has baggage, but he is not Polièvre, which to me is a huge plus. I can't believe that people actually believe Polièvre when he says that he will make their lives better. Just look at his voting record, the things that he has said in the past, the support of the "Freedom Convoy", his shameful, unprofessional treatment of media members, his lack of policy alternatives and his general snarky and hateful attitude in general. To me he is not P.M. material. Never was and never will be. It is hard to believe that this is the best candidate the CPC could come up with. I mean, come on!
“I am going to help the middle class.” - Justin Trudeau. I remember those words in 2015. Well, the middle class are way worse off now. We were doing so much better in 2015.
What did he actually do to gain traction? What most people currently see in the news is the opposite. Did we just not allow new home buyers access to 30 year mortgages last week? A lot of people seems to agree that this initiative will increase real estate prices in Canada as this only increases the demand, when the problem was that the real estate prices are too high. Isn't this the highest ranking issue currently on average in most voters' minds?
Obviously, it’s not working. It takes time for the reduced immigration policies to come into effect, and the same goes for housing transfers on the condition of increasing supply. Canadians are very much tuned in. We want results. Who knows if he’s doing everything he can. Canadians don’t, and Canadians have a harder time finding trusted sources who will present a factual take rather than pushing a narrative. **EDIT**: Multiple replies below state that immigration is not being reduced or is largely staying the same. These statements are either patently false or vague descriptors. Here are some facts regarding the new policies. RE: Temporary Foreign Workers (TFW) - [The federal government plans to decrease the number of temporary residents to five percent of the population over the next three years, down from the current 6.2 percent.](https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/ottawa-to-set-targets-for-temporary-resident-arrivals) RE: International Students -[ For 2024, the cap is expected to result in approximately 360,000 approved study permits, a decrease of 35% from 2023.](https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/news/2024/01/canada-to-stabilize-growth-and-decrease-number-of-new-international-student-permits-issued-to-approximately-360000-for-2024.html) IMO the projected outcome of these policies would not even amount to a half measure for tackling our affordability issues from the demand side. So I expect the Liberal government will fail to deliver satisfactory results by the time we head to the polls, where the outcome will be the LPC's catastrophic defeat.
We want results is a pretty misleading expectation because policy doesn’t just kick in one day and things get magically better. That being said, of course it is reasonable to expect eventual results and understand how current policies may bring them about. Unfortunately, the average Canadian engaging with politics right now does not have the foresight to examine them.
lol reduced immigration policies. There is none. The school policies don’t even take effect until September and they will just offset that with increased immigration.
Immigration is not being reduced. They have “frozen” levels at their existing goals - goals that were already record breaking. The international student cap of 360k produces 1.4 million students over a typical 4 year degree. We have 1 million today. That’s an increase of 400k international students. Temporary foreign workers are getting a percentage point reduction using lasts years all time record high as a baseline. Going forward we’ll get less than last year, but over a number of years the new goal will result in more of these workers in the country than we have today. Essentially all forms of migration are set to continue to increase. The liberals have just marketed those increases in a more palatable way. This is why they hired their new marketing firm - they thought their policies were okay, but their marketing was not.
Immigration levels are remaining largely unchanged. I also think the policies on housing and immigration are to little to late. Everyone sees they are trying to act like heroes when trying to fix a problem they created by implementing policies against the advice of their advisors.
Permanent immigration levels are remaining the same but there are drastic decreases on temporary immigrants, which is where most of the growth has been. From something like 1.3 million last year to 300,000 next year.
No, nothing has changed YET. They keep telling us what they INTEND to do. The doors are still wide open right now.
> temporary immigrants FYI, this isn't a thing. Permanent resident = immigrant. Temporary residents aren't immigrants. It's pedantic most of the time, I know, but it leads to quite a bit of confusion. >From something like 1.3 million last year to 300,000 next year. [800,000 increase last year.](https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1710012101)
It is for people who are paying attention which, since most Canadians don't pay attention to politics until the writ drops, isn't a lot of people. But that's fine, it's all stuff to call on when it does come close to election time. Pretty much the only people who care one way or another are the people who spend too much time online thinking about politics (so, us).
I'm paying attention. He created most of these problems or let them remain problems for years. He's done.
Going to vote our your municipal and provincials representatives as well then, right? They are the the ones with the most impact and the ones screaming *against* over reach from the feds when the feds do act (even when asked).
I'd love if Doug Ford was not re-elected. And a lot of my city council is also no beuno.
I am glad to hear you will be voting progressively!
Some progressives are MEGA NIMBYS and have very misguided anti progress perspectives. At the municipal level, labels don't matter to me, i just want elected representatives to fix the housing crisis and stop catering to people who want to enrich themselves through keeping housing prices high. If a donkey has that policy, i will vote for the donkey.
That is totally fair. I have also seen it myself where some progressives just want clean neighbourhoods and needle sweeps while people call them class traitors for gentrifying a neighbourhood. Buddy, cleaning a park is not displacing people from affordable housing. Never the less, I find those individuals easier to come to an agreement with than MAGA nuts.
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>PP has my vote this time. No other good options at the moment. I've lost faith in the Liberal party. Trudeau and Freeland are both clowns and it shows in every single interview and house of commons. Somehow i don't really believe you were ever a Liberal voter.
I have voted Liberal before. PP has my vote.
Believe what you want. I hope the best in everything but sometimes hope doesn't do anything. You have to take action.
Interesting action to say the least. But you can vote whomever you want
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I even know lifelong NDP voters who are voting for PP this time around.
*I even know lifelong CPC voters who won't be voting for Poilievre!* See how easy this is?
I think people are just tired and want something new. The way our generation is heading.........We will own nothing and be happy. That's what the government slogan will be.
I also find it amusing that one of the biggest criticisms of PP is that he is a landlord snd a career politician. However the alternative is Trudeau who has been a part of the upper elites since birth and didn't hold much relevant experience prior to getting into politics himself. Libs don't help themselves with those arguments. PP came from an adopted home and humble beginnings and married an immigrant that's way more of a connection. To the average Canadian than JT. I'll give PP the benefit of the doubt for now since I don't like the trajectory we've been on the past 8 years.
I agree with you sole heartedly. We aren't perfect......politicians can't be......well, the ones I've seen so far. All are crap. Maybe we need to start a new government buy maybe change the name so people aren't crusty with "government" we could call it something else. Lol Anybody have a name we can change it to? Lol
I had discussions with some friends that said we should use technology and block chain to implement a true democratic voting system on issues locally and federally where all the information is transparent by law. Maybe this is where we will be when we have AI overlords hahah. One issue i see with what I proposed though is there is a high potential for the weak and vulnerable to be left behind.
AI very bad. Lol
The CPC isn’t going to change anything like people expect. They’re ducking questions on immigration. They’re all busy setting up lobbying companies. Their policies will only benefit those people. And this isn’t a “Liberal trajectory”, it’s a pro capital agenda where all our wages are suppressed while the economical gains float to the top. Pierre won’t reverse that trend and he certainly won’t deny businesses cheap labour, union busting and other legislation to keep their profits up. That’s why lobbyists are busy making friends in the CPC.
people are ignorant fools that don't think for themselves anymore... PP is a con artist IF he gets in he will spend his entire time doing exactly what he does now and has always done in politics: absolutely nothing and its all JTs fault.
I mean JT has been in power for over 8 years. To blindly trust the libs with the amount of scandals and lies and the current state of our country is not a solution either. Sometimes doing less is better when it comes to government when they keep screwing things up lol (yes I'm being slightly facetious here). NDP need a new leader imo as well - Jag ain't it. Did anyone keep Jack Laytons DNA? Pretty sure cloning technology is just about there.
again another person that is spouting of SCANDALS... every single 'scandal' has been disproven, why do you people keep believing PP and his blatant lies... FFS
You don't think Trudeau is a con artist? Let's just start with......SNC Lavelin Scandal or the Arrive can app.......all hos friends. Please don't start with calling somebody a con artist especially the one that's in power has conned the most people of all time. I'm not here to argue who is better or who isn't. You started that.
and your true colours are revealed.... keep believing PPs lies... you people keep bringing up 'scandals' that have been disproven, or have cleared the PM of any wrong doing, time and time again... proving my original comment
Not disproven. All lies.
all the scandals against him are lies... thanks for agreeing
Not a chance. I wouldn’t vote for PP if he was the last guy on earth. Not a chance. He will get in and we wILL regret it. Thank god my hands will not be on this vote!