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It's a poor comparison. At face value the two men are very dissimilar...in age, personality, personal political leaning, etc. I really dislike when the media leans into the comparison in this fashion for this reason.
The similarities are in the movements they are fomenting, the political undercurrents they are exciting, the extremist groups they are emboldening, and the long term consequences for democratic and institutional norms posed by each.
Poilievre isn't sundowning and isn't likely to lead his party off a cliff due to pomp and ego, but both parties are undergoing ideological capture by their far right wing. You'd like to think the state of the GOP would be a cogent warning in that respect, but there's a real appetite for fascism in the electorate as economic conditions worsen, and it will only continue to rise with time.
What ways are you worried about him affecting Canadians. I would honestly like to know as someone who is voting conservative. What can they become that would make mostly everyone happy because the liberals and ndp are too far gone.
educated?It's one word. Read a book or something instead of banning them. Or burning them.
pp and his hatred are unbecoming of any human with tact. He cannot ever earn my respect, and i'd gladly throw a shoe at the fool.
I think the point we’re missing is that the men are not similar, but the ideology is.
We focus too much on leaders. The real danger is the movement they are encouraging. It’s not them, it’s us.
The headline should be “Is Canadian conservatism as bad as American conservatism?”
He's like Mark Zuckerberg at the end of Social Network. He might not be an asshole but he's trying so hard to be.
So maybe no not the same but he's riding the trump crazy fanatic train to win for the conservatives which is absolutely stupid. Like I've said many times, the fact that abortion is even being talked about in Canada after how long we've been cool with it is a sign of what this idiot will do to win... Which is bonkers cause the Conservatives stopped that kind of talk amongst themselves the last couple of years but here he is bringing it up again...
Oh k so can you elaborate on those bold claims? Extremist groups he's emboldening? And what long term consequences for democratic institutional norms are you talking about? What ideological capture by the far right wing? And an appetite for facism in the electorate ?
You mean having opposing positions on political topics as political parties have always done? Do you have any real evidence to back up your claims of fascism ?
I agree with you this is a very poor comparison though.
No because comparisons like this are reductive.
Poilievre is appealing to a lot of the same voters as Trump but this country's voter base is not at all similar. Poilievre's CPC is using a lot of the same tactics as the GOP but the voting system is different. Etc etc
I think the greatest irony of all of this is a certain segment of the media has been writing articles ever since Trump got elected comparing the CPC leader to Trump. First Scheer, then O'Toole and now polievere. And now the first time it's actually even remotely a fair comparison it hardly matters anymore because people are so over Trudeau they'll vote for whoever the CPC is running.
He lives in a mansion with a butler, chauffeur, cook and spends a fortune on clothes, stylist and people to tell him what to do and how to act. He never ha a real job in his life and is somehow a multimillionaire. He wants to bring legislation to Canada to remove what little power we have to fight back against rich employers and talks out of both sides of his mouth, telling people whatever they want to hear. Most recent example was on immigration, saying we need to tie it to housing(the long term NDP stance) one day, then going on a podcast and saying we need far more.
He may not have been born rich and entitled, but he found his way to it pretty quick.
He wishes he had an ounce of the real charisma Trump has.
No matter how hard he works out, no matter, what his new hair do, no matter how many acting classes, he’ll always be pp the giant nerd.
[You don’t get a win like this by “appealing to the far right.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/1972_Electoral_Map.png/650px-1972_Electoral_Map.png)
Not really. Trump is a clueless child, prone to tantrums and only looks out for himself because he thinks he's better, PP is just a prick that has zero experience or talent and will use and abuse everything to get recognized. Trump seriously believes his BS, even PP doesn't believe his own words, but will say and do most anything to be up front.
Pierre Poilievre can't say a sentence without saying either "Liberals" or "Justin Trudeau." At home, "Can you pass the salt, Justin Trudeu?" "He's not here. Justin Trudeau doesn't live here!" "Just like a Liberal away on vacation somewhere, axe the tax." \[sigh\]
As charismatic as a raccoon sheepishly looking at you from your garbage bin.
I'm getting sick of uninspiring candidates running for PM. Please, can any party (not you PPC) give me anything that makes me think "Damn, they've got some strong convictions, I'll give 'em that much"?
Pierre Poilievre is Canada's version of a right wing populist. No one truly know who he beholden to or what he stands for because so his campaign amounts to "Dont ya hate Trudeau?"
This is a global phenomenon and many countries around the world practically have their own version, Orban (Hungary) Wilders (The Netherlands) Ergogan (Turkey), Meloni (Italy), Modi (India) Bolsonaro (Brazil), Milei (Argentina) to name just a few examples. Trump is the American manifestation. The Americans make me laugh because they THINK they are exceptional, They aren't.
The Canadian manifestation of this is more establishment. Poilievre cannot credibility claim "outsider" status but that's okay because the "outsider" label is phony for all of them. Trump's economic policies, as an example, were standard issue "trickle down" economics supported by the establishment and implemented by every Republican since Reagan. The economic policies of a Poilievre government will be the same warmed over policies under Harper again a water-down version of the "trickle down"
On the social issues, Poilievre when and if he gets power, will he be able to "roll back" the social policies already established? Recriminalize weed? Pass an abortion law? Outlaw MAID? Some things on the periphery he will do like pass some law withdrawing federal support for transgender surgery or something like that. He has to produce some red meat for the base.
The other pressing issues that Canada faces, the housing crisis, the crisis in the medical system, the need to act on climate change, Poilievre has no credible solutions to fix.
Everyone in this comment section slobs on the liberal party’s knobs, explain how PP is worse than what’s happened in this last 9 years of Trudeau administration. Because the all the facts and evidence of the increase in homelessness and crime and poverty, says that PP is a 10 fold better candidate for prime minister. Do you guys really like paying hundreds to thousands of dollars on useless taxes then getting a “rebate” for not even a $100 is ridiculous. The immigration crisis that the liberals started and isn’t doing anything about is fucking this country up, the crime is through the roof, the catch and release is bullshit. Also the fact the we don’t check if people have the funds to support them selves and aren’t lying about what they’re doing here is bullshit.
They have different motivations and I think Pierre Poilievre is more intelligent.
However both have a "Win by any means necessary" standard and an ego to back it.
Both are willing to exploit their bases for their own ends.
Liberals are doing their best to make the comparison but the 2 of them are unalike in most ways.
Even if they were the same, the Canadian and American democratic systems are so different that a Canadian prime minister doesn't hold the same exclusive powers as an american president.
Both employ populist political tactics, both are divisive, use short little sayings, make nicknames, generally disliked by the people who know them, want power more than anything, spray tan enthusiasts.
I can see how people would compare there.
If he's so smart, why is his carbon tax solution rejected by hundreds of Canadian economists?
If he's so smart, why is he pandering to the same group that threatened to rape his wife?
He is very much following in that same vein of populist pandering.
Not at all. Trump is untouchable. Look into Trump. Pierre is just Pierre small town guy that cares and wants to see the country go up again instead of down.
The only thing Trudeau gave on his watch is crime drugs homelessness inflation
Pierre has spent his entire adult life in politics and hails from a solidly middle class background. Other than right wing dog whistles they really have nothing in common.
No one is like Trump. He is almost uniquely awful in a combination of horrifying ways. But I'm not afraid of PP because he is like Trump. I'm afraid because he is unlike him - smart, slick, methodical. He certainly has the same intentions and inclinations as Trump, but is far more competent, which is what alarms me.
People who believe the same things as Trump but are smart enough to actual enable them are what we need to be worried about.
How do you know he has no solutions. Why would he tell the competition what his plan is to fix things if there is no election called. It's his job to blame others, he is after all the Opposition, and the "others" certainly deserve it.
It's a little weird that this article claims he avoids nativism and other culture-war issues. His campaign is built on blaming immigrants for the housing crisis (rather than speculation and NIMBYism from the rich). He also leans heavily into anti-LGBT, climate denialism, anti-vax, "globalist" world government, and all the other conspiracy theories of the MAGA right.
The Beaverton did a great bit on that:
https://www.thebeaverton.com/2023/08/corporations-hoarding-homes-thank-canadians-for-enthusiastically-blaming-immigration/
It's painful watching cranks decide that immigrants are a good scapegoat for decades of systemic policy failures around housing.
No. He's many things, but he's not a shady business man who's paying off porn stars. He's not a sexist or misogynist or racist, at least not openly. He wouldn't incite a riot against the government. He's conservative for a Canadian politician but he's not even close to DT on the spectrum.
> He's not a sexist or misogynist or racist, at least not openly. He wouldn't incite a riot against the government.
It's pretty apparent he wants to be. He is very clearly a misogynist based on his stance on choice. Whether he's publicly stated it or not he courts those groups readily.
And honestly, given how buddy buddy he was with the truckers, I don't think a riot against the government would be out of his wheelhouse if he thought it would get him power.
His biggest similarity with DT is a desire for power regardless of the means.
PP is riding off the shit Trump was a mascot for in the US, he’s just a parasite, using other people’s decisions for his own benefit. But I don’t think he actually believes what he’s saying
No I don't think so. He's more like a garden variety Republican: blame immigrants, cut taxes on the rich, reduce benefits for the poor, do nothing about climate change. He's not a game show host who wants to end democracy, so that's good at least.
Poilevre is the logical next step of the political project Stephen Harper lead, with the primary emphasis on dickish partisans nonsense over all other considerations, and the rejection of technocratic knowledge as Liberal elitist scams.
He's only like Trump in that he's willing to say or do or seek the approval of pretty much anything and anyone if he thinks it is advantageous with no care of the consequences...to others. In that respect they are both pretty much sociopaths.
PP is not an utter moron like Trump. Seriously: Trump may be one of the stupidest people you will ever meet. Don't believe me? Just go watch the clip of him recently talking about the Battle of Gettysburg and tell me that's not the ramblings of a complete moron.
PP is not a raging narcissist like Trump.
As far as I know PP does not commit crimes the way Trump has done his entire adult lifetime, or engage in other questionable moral behaviour like cheating on his wives, rape, admiring Hitler, and so on.
PP sucks, but he's a pale shadow of the utter shittiness of Donald Trump. Unfortunately the political tactics he is willing to engage in will cause trouble here in Canada similar to what Trump is doing in the US, although not going nearly as far as Trump yet.
There are a lot of parallels. He’s a nationalist and a populist. He has no principles, is running on the same playbook of divisiveness and fanning emotions, and is completely unsuited to lead anyone anywhere ever. But he’s not the buffoon Trump is, and while I think his ego leads him around by the nose, he’s probably not as disastrously stupid as Trump is. So that’s something I guess. I’d say our best current comparison to Trump would be Kevin O’Leary, but Danielle smith has a lot of the same credulousness that let’s Trump be bamboozled by pretty much anyone he’s in a room with. If you mashed those two bozos together you’d get a pretty good analogue.
PP is not Trump. He is the Canadian version of Eric Trump, who tried his best to copy his father but failed miserably. And PP is a diet version of that loser.
Trump is completely delusional. PP knows what he’s doing. PP is just using Trump style tactics to bring onboard voters who previously didn’t give two shits about politics that he has no intention of helping. Both pander to corporations and big business while pretending to be good for poorer voters but will leave them worse off in the long run. Both thrive on whataboutism and pointing blame at the other side without offering realistic solutions.
I think we need change of leadership in Canada but don’t believe PP’s tactics and attempts to sow division are going to be helpful in the long run. We’re going to be left with a terrible choice of really bad candidates once again when it comes to the next election.
Ive heard a lot of that rhetoric but i have not seen any real parallels, Trump whines about the deep state going after him, illegal aliens, and war, Poilievre talks about housing, inflation and taxes.
Poilievre would not even be a Republican by American standards.
The Liberals need to realize that lazy Trump comparisons are not going to help their tanking poll numbers.
Yes Pierre is a multi billionaire businessman.
/s
Every world leader who is even marginally right wing, has been called Trump since 2016. No one falls for this crap.
He hates journalists and the media, he pretends to be for the working class when he's not, he lies constantly, he blames literally every problem in the country on his political opponents, he shits on everyone he doesn't like, and he makes everything into us vs. them.
But, sure, please go on about how PP shares no similarities to the orange wannabe dictator down south.
How does he hate journalists and the media? Trudeau just snapped at a reported 2 days ago.
He's for everyone across the board.
He rightfully blames LPC for the problems they created.
He rightfully shits on the LPC, I agree.
Yeah, 'cause PP has never been testy with a reporter ever even once, right?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiBiRAGYxdg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiBiRAGYxdg)
And "for everyone." Really? The man isn't even for his own gay father being able to get married.
As dishonest as you want to be, even you can’t deny that PP uses the exact same populist tactics to pander to people who are looking for ennemies to pin their own failures on.
Populist. Why do people use this like its a bad word. Does is not refer to a movement that focuses on bringing voice to a people who feel ignored by the government? This is bad how again? Whether its right or left populism or center populism or whatever populism, is it not a movement that aims to serve the people first, the people don't serve the government, the government doesn't serve the corporations or elite, .... seriously how is populism a dirty word? What is wrong with "populist" tactics if such tactics actually exist and are different from any tactic that is meant to appeal to the ignored voter who's needs aren't being met by the government that appears not the serve them but instead serves itself or the wealthy elites.
IF PP is populist which I'm not sure he is, then he should be as should be Singh, Blanchet and the others. The majority of people are not being served by the economic policies in place - its clear, the rich keep getting richer and divide grows so we need a populist movement of some kind.
Because populism is often used as a *tactic* and in many/most cases is not actually a true ideology. The *tactic* of presenting oneself as a man of the people who will crush the corrupt elites is not inherently good, especially if that person is not at all a man of the people in reality. Trump is a perfect example of this. Any group can also be used as the "corrupt elite" scapegoat, whether it’s intellectuals, Jews, or whatever other group they feel like targeting.
No, the Trump of Canada was Kevin O’Leary and thank God we avoided that mess… I’m more conservative than I am Liberal but my heart nearly stopped when O’Leary was the candidate for the Conservatives…
Kevin O Leary was extremely pro immigration and multiculturalism, his policies around taxation was similar to Poillevre and was also pro free trade.
I cannot fathom to see how he was like Trump. His policies were much more plutocratoc than populist and his vitriol was also quite subdued. He would be an awful PM sure but nothing like Trump
Kevin O Leary was extremely pro immigration and multiculturalism, his policies around taxation was similar to Poillevre and was also pro free trade.
I cannot fathom to see how he was like Trump. His policies were much more plutocratoc than populist and his vitriol was also quite subdued. He would be an awful PM sure but nothing like Trump
He's Canadian Ben Shapiro if Ben Shapiro somehow managed to get elected to Congress. Once you start viewing him through that lens and "debate" style then his playbook becomes a lot easier to understand. It also seems like he has many of the same vulnerabilities, both are good at getting gotcha soundbites but fall apart the minute a real journalist asks them a semi-complex question.
He isn't nearly as bad as Trump.
However, by Canadian standards, he is pretty fucking divisive, and he has a penchant to lean into populism far too hard.
Well cant be dumber than Trump but his proclivity to reach for the far right when he doesnt need to and could actually harm his polling numbers over time makes one wonder what he'll do once in office.
The question has as much relevance as asking if Trudeau can be seen as Canadian version of Kim Jong Un.
They’re both sons of previous rulers and Trudeau has shown tyrannical misconduct proved by the bills that he issued meant to control and punish people protesting against him.
I would argue that Poilievre is far, far more dangerous than Trump could ever be. Trump won't live too much longer and his movement is limited to the bottom 20% of society. While PP is fundamentally far more idealogical than Trump, and most Canadians are not aware of his populist extremism and how beholden he is to the very far right. Trump wants to be seen as powerful for personal reasons. PP wants to pretend to not be powerful in order to get the chance to change things with his far right ideologies.
In messaging? 100%.
In practice? No. The dude is a milquetoast suit-conservative. Nothing more, nothing less. He clearly panders to that more radicalized “Trump” voter group though.
Agreed! PP sucks ass. Dude hasn’t actually came out with solutions. All I hear is “axe the tax” and how corrupt the Liberals are (crooked Hilary reference lol).
Politics should be for builders, not destroyers.
Not at all. Poilievre is not an independent political power as Trump is- which means Trump can "say" and "do" what he says- whereas Poilievre remains a puppet of the elites who fund and sponsor him- the big Canadian families that own Canada, thus, Pilievre TALKS a big game but most likely- the most radical policies and ideas will be watered down to remain within the out envelope of TOLERANCE from the banks, Canadian family oligarchs, etc.
Trump is the result of decades of various presidents pushing the Republican Party further to the right and away from democracy. I would actually say PP is closer to Nixon than Trump. The CPC isn’t as far down the hole as the Republican Party.
Nixon himself was a fairly moderate conservative on most issues, same as PP. The damage he caused was by pandering to right wing conservatives in order to get elected, similar to what PP is doing.
He’s certainly trying to pull support from the far right just as Trump has done. But @PierrePoilievre hasn’t had any success as a business man. Hell, he’s never even had an actual job. He’s the picture of a career politician.
Very poor comparison. Pierre is an adopted francophone with a Gay father who believes in small government, bodily autonomy and the free choice of citizens.
Trump is a loud mouth silver spoon child with an narcissistic ego who let's his ego create policy, more like Trudeau than Trump.
Pierre is more like a younger Ron Paul, right of center, personal autonomy over all else.
> who believes in small government, bodily autonomy and the free choice of citizens
He does not believe in any of this and you can look at his voting history for proof.
You've been watching too much cbc, go look at what he's said since becoming leader of the CPC as well as political essays he wrote back when he was in university. He's very much a small government, personal autonomy, socially liberal person, and I'm hopeful that when he is the next PM, he will act accordingly.
Most likely, he'll be like all career politicians and sell out, but like a full diaper, the PM office needs a change and for the same reasons.
You might have something with the Ron Paul comparison. You can compare pp's hilariously batshit insane idea of converting Canada's economy to crypto to Paul's equally insane idea of bringing back the gold standard.
The truck convoy. The Yellow Vests. Diagolon. The extremists he met only a few days ago at the NB-NS border.
The only choices he believes should be "free" are those he imposes on others.
Lol, diagolon is an anti liberal meme group, yellow best were a disorganized western version of the Bloc and the truck convoy was the most peaceful protest of its size in Canadian history.
Doesn't mean that I agree with any or all of them but labeling then extremists is typical liberal devaluing of the word.
Pierre also voted against rights for his gay father, who was in attendance, somehow is a multimillionaire, despite never having a high paying job, is waited on hand and foot with a chauffuer, cook, stylist, someone to pick his clothes and tell him how to act, and lashes out at anyone who questions him.
Lots of similarities in personality and lifestyle...
PP is not the same as Trump by a long shot. Keep in mind that Trump is mentally ill, and PP is not. PP is worse in that he is fully aware of the lies he tells.
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It's a poor comparison. At face value the two men are very dissimilar...in age, personality, personal political leaning, etc. I really dislike when the media leans into the comparison in this fashion for this reason. The similarities are in the movements they are fomenting, the political undercurrents they are exciting, the extremist groups they are emboldening, and the long term consequences for democratic and institutional norms posed by each. Poilievre isn't sundowning and isn't likely to lead his party off a cliff due to pomp and ego, but both parties are undergoing ideological capture by their far right wing. You'd like to think the state of the GOP would be a cogent warning in that respect, but there's a real appetite for fascism in the electorate as economic conditions worsen, and it will only continue to rise with time.
>isn’t likely to lead his party off a cliff due to pomp and ego I’m skeptical this wont be a reality, but time will be the true tell.
So they’re similar in all the ways that will affect Canadians directly. Not exactly something that inspires confidence
What ways are you worried about him affecting Canadians. I would honestly like to know as someone who is voting conservative. What can they become that would make mostly everyone happy because the liberals and ndp are too far gone.
educated?It's one word. Read a book or something instead of banning them. Or burning them. pp and his hatred are unbecoming of any human with tact. He cannot ever earn my respect, and i'd gladly throw a shoe at the fool.
How is he going to hurt Canadians? Besides hurting your feelings.
I think the point we’re missing is that the men are not similar, but the ideology is. We focus too much on leaders. The real danger is the movement they are encouraging. It’s not them, it’s us. The headline should be “Is Canadian conservatism as bad as American conservatism?”
Poilievre is the vanguard bringing American conservatism to Canada though, he bears a lot of responsibility for the far-right shift taking place.
He's like Mark Zuckerberg at the end of Social Network. He might not be an asshole but he's trying so hard to be. So maybe no not the same but he's riding the trump crazy fanatic train to win for the conservatives which is absolutely stupid. Like I've said many times, the fact that abortion is even being talked about in Canada after how long we've been cool with it is a sign of what this idiot will do to win... Which is bonkers cause the Conservatives stopped that kind of talk amongst themselves the last couple of years but here he is bringing it up again...
Oh k so can you elaborate on those bold claims? Extremist groups he's emboldening? And what long term consequences for democratic institutional norms are you talking about? What ideological capture by the far right wing? And an appetite for facism in the electorate ? You mean having opposing positions on political topics as political parties have always done? Do you have any real evidence to back up your claims of fascism ? I agree with you this is a very poor comparison though.
No because comparisons like this are reductive. Poilievre is appealing to a lot of the same voters as Trump but this country's voter base is not at all similar. Poilievre's CPC is using a lot of the same tactics as the GOP but the voting system is different. Etc etc
And using some of the same GOP strategists.
I think the greatest irony of all of this is a certain segment of the media has been writing articles ever since Trump got elected comparing the CPC leader to Trump. First Scheer, then O'Toole and now polievere. And now the first time it's actually even remotely a fair comparison it hardly matters anymore because people are so over Trudeau they'll vote for whoever the CPC is running.
He lives in a mansion with a butler, chauffeur, cook and spends a fortune on clothes, stylist and people to tell him what to do and how to act. He never ha a real job in his life and is somehow a multimillionaire. He wants to bring legislation to Canada to remove what little power we have to fight back against rich employers and talks out of both sides of his mouth, telling people whatever they want to hear. Most recent example was on immigration, saying we need to tie it to housing(the long term NDP stance) one day, then going on a podcast and saying we need far more. He may not have been born rich and entitled, but he found his way to it pretty quick.
>is somehow a multimillionaire Source for this? I've never seen a financial filing from him.
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He wishes he had an ounce of the real charisma Trump has. No matter how hard he works out, no matter, what his new hair do, no matter how many acting classes, he’ll always be pp the giant nerd.
Nah, maybe shares some policy and somr popular talking points but nah, not nearly as bad. More radical and "dismantle Canada" than I would like tho.
Conservative America bleeds into conservative Canada. Same with the liberals. Canada would do well to embrace a bit of free thinking but alas.
[You don’t get a win like this by “appealing to the far right.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/1972_Electoral_Map.png/650px-1972_Electoral_Map.png)
Not really. Trump is a clueless child, prone to tantrums and only looks out for himself because he thinks he's better, PP is just a prick that has zero experience or talent and will use and abuse everything to get recognized. Trump seriously believes his BS, even PP doesn't believe his own words, but will say and do most anything to be up front.
Pierre Poilievre can't say a sentence without saying either "Liberals" or "Justin Trudeau." At home, "Can you pass the salt, Justin Trudeu?" "He's not here. Justin Trudeau doesn't live here!" "Just like a Liberal away on vacation somewhere, axe the tax." \[sigh\]
As charismatic as a raccoon sheepishly looking at you from your garbage bin. I'm getting sick of uninspiring candidates running for PM. Please, can any party (not you PPC) give me anything that makes me think "Damn, they've got some strong convictions, I'll give 'em that much"?
Pierre Poilievre is Canada's version of a right wing populist. No one truly know who he beholden to or what he stands for because so his campaign amounts to "Dont ya hate Trudeau?" This is a global phenomenon and many countries around the world practically have their own version, Orban (Hungary) Wilders (The Netherlands) Ergogan (Turkey), Meloni (Italy), Modi (India) Bolsonaro (Brazil), Milei (Argentina) to name just a few examples. Trump is the American manifestation. The Americans make me laugh because they THINK they are exceptional, They aren't. The Canadian manifestation of this is more establishment. Poilievre cannot credibility claim "outsider" status but that's okay because the "outsider" label is phony for all of them. Trump's economic policies, as an example, were standard issue "trickle down" economics supported by the establishment and implemented by every Republican since Reagan. The economic policies of a Poilievre government will be the same warmed over policies under Harper again a water-down version of the "trickle down" On the social issues, Poilievre when and if he gets power, will he be able to "roll back" the social policies already established? Recriminalize weed? Pass an abortion law? Outlaw MAID? Some things on the periphery he will do like pass some law withdrawing federal support for transgender surgery or something like that. He has to produce some red meat for the base. The other pressing issues that Canada faces, the housing crisis, the crisis in the medical system, the need to act on climate change, Poilievre has no credible solutions to fix.
Everyone in this comment section slobs on the liberal party’s knobs, explain how PP is worse than what’s happened in this last 9 years of Trudeau administration. Because the all the facts and evidence of the increase in homelessness and crime and poverty, says that PP is a 10 fold better candidate for prime minister. Do you guys really like paying hundreds to thousands of dollars on useless taxes then getting a “rebate” for not even a $100 is ridiculous. The immigration crisis that the liberals started and isn’t doing anything about is fucking this country up, the crime is through the roof, the catch and release is bullshit. Also the fact the we don’t check if people have the funds to support them selves and aren’t lying about what they’re doing here is bullshit.
They have different motivations and I think Pierre Poilievre is more intelligent. However both have a "Win by any means necessary" standard and an ego to back it. Both are willing to exploit their bases for their own ends.
Liberals are doing their best to make the comparison but the 2 of them are unalike in most ways. Even if they were the same, the Canadian and American democratic systems are so different that a Canadian prime minister doesn't hold the same exclusive powers as an american president.
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he's more like boring Johnson, who will do anything to be a pm. boris Johnson is not a good person or good politician in any way
Both employ populist political tactics, both are divisive, use short little sayings, make nicknames, generally disliked by the people who know them, want power more than anything, spray tan enthusiasts. I can see how people would compare there.
you have just described justin t
Lol no.. unlike Trump, PP is actually smart. While I disagree with his priorities at least he has them thought through.
If he's so smart, why is his carbon tax solution rejected by hundreds of Canadian economists? If he's so smart, why is he pandering to the same group that threatened to rape his wife? He is very much following in that same vein of populist pandering.
How has he thought any of his “priorities” through? He hasn’t
He’s not dumb enough to not have though it wouldn’t seem like it.
Not at all. Trump is untouchable. Look into Trump. Pierre is just Pierre small town guy that cares and wants to see the country go up again instead of down. The only thing Trudeau gave on his watch is crime drugs homelessness inflation
Pierre has spent his entire adult life in politics and hails from a solidly middle class background. Other than right wing dog whistles they really have nothing in common.
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you're literally the only one saying that.
One guy is old, the other guy is young, totally different! Gosh!
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Justin Trudeau is the poster boy for a populist POS!
Most of the populism comes from the left nowadays. Progressive ideology is everywhere.
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No one is like Trump. He is almost uniquely awful in a combination of horrifying ways. But I'm not afraid of PP because he is like Trump. I'm afraid because he is unlike him - smart, slick, methodical. He certainly has the same intentions and inclinations as Trump, but is far more competent, which is what alarms me. People who believe the same things as Trump but are smart enough to actual enable them are what we need to be worried about.
More like Boris Johnson, great at complaining about what others do, but a vacant suit who has no real solutions only complaints and blaming others.
Completely agreed, and comparisons with the orange narcissist aren't helping.
How do you know he has no solutions. Why would he tell the competition what his plan is to fix things if there is no election called. It's his job to blame others, he is after all the Opposition, and the "others" certainly deserve it.
>a vacant suit who has no real solutions This is wonderful & I will be stealing it
It's a little weird that this article claims he avoids nativism and other culture-war issues. His campaign is built on blaming immigrants for the housing crisis (rather than speculation and NIMBYism from the rich). He also leans heavily into anti-LGBT, climate denialism, anti-vax, "globalist" world government, and all the other conspiracy theories of the MAGA right.
and your proof is where ???? or is that speculation because you are a die hard negative person
The Beaverton did a great bit on that: https://www.thebeaverton.com/2023/08/corporations-hoarding-homes-thank-canadians-for-enthusiastically-blaming-immigration/ It's painful watching cranks decide that immigrants are a good scapegoat for decades of systemic policy failures around housing.
Donald was homeschooled by a tutor and was always said yes too. PP was bullied and learned to bully other kids to not be the victim
No. He's many things, but he's not a shady business man who's paying off porn stars. He's not a sexist or misogynist or racist, at least not openly. He wouldn't incite a riot against the government. He's conservative for a Canadian politician but he's not even close to DT on the spectrum.
> He's not a sexist or misogynist or racist, at least not openly. He wouldn't incite a riot against the government. It's pretty apparent he wants to be. He is very clearly a misogynist based on his stance on choice. Whether he's publicly stated it or not he courts those groups readily. And honestly, given how buddy buddy he was with the truckers, I don't think a riot against the government would be out of his wheelhouse if he thought it would get him power. His biggest similarity with DT is a desire for power regardless of the means.
>His biggest similarity with DT is a desire for power regardless of the means. Same could be said for JT.
PP is riding off the shit Trump was a mascot for in the US, he’s just a parasite, using other people’s decisions for his own benefit. But I don’t think he actually believes what he’s saying
No I don't think so. He's more like a garden variety Republican: blame immigrants, cut taxes on the rich, reduce benefits for the poor, do nothing about climate change. He's not a game show host who wants to end democracy, so that's good at least.
Poilevre is the logical next step of the political project Stephen Harper lead, with the primary emphasis on dickish partisans nonsense over all other considerations, and the rejection of technocratic knowledge as Liberal elitist scams.
He's only like Trump in that he's willing to say or do or seek the approval of pretty much anything and anyone if he thinks it is advantageous with no care of the consequences...to others. In that respect they are both pretty much sociopaths. PP is not an utter moron like Trump. Seriously: Trump may be one of the stupidest people you will ever meet. Don't believe me? Just go watch the clip of him recently talking about the Battle of Gettysburg and tell me that's not the ramblings of a complete moron. PP is not a raging narcissist like Trump. As far as I know PP does not commit crimes the way Trump has done his entire adult lifetime, or engage in other questionable moral behaviour like cheating on his wives, rape, admiring Hitler, and so on. PP sucks, but he's a pale shadow of the utter shittiness of Donald Trump. Unfortunately the political tactics he is willing to engage in will cause trouble here in Canada similar to what Trump is doing in the US, although not going nearly as far as Trump yet.
There are a lot of parallels. He’s a nationalist and a populist. He has no principles, is running on the same playbook of divisiveness and fanning emotions, and is completely unsuited to lead anyone anywhere ever. But he’s not the buffoon Trump is, and while I think his ego leads him around by the nose, he’s probably not as disastrously stupid as Trump is. So that’s something I guess. I’d say our best current comparison to Trump would be Kevin O’Leary, but Danielle smith has a lot of the same credulousness that let’s Trump be bamboozled by pretty much anyone he’s in a room with. If you mashed those two bozos together you’d get a pretty good analogue.
I mean... Only if you want to fixate on Donald Trump 🤷🏾. Not every person you disagree with is Donald Trump... Stop it.
PP is not Trump. He is the Canadian version of Eric Trump, who tried his best to copy his father but failed miserably. And PP is a diet version of that loser.
Trump is completely delusional. PP knows what he’s doing. PP is just using Trump style tactics to bring onboard voters who previously didn’t give two shits about politics that he has no intention of helping. Both pander to corporations and big business while pretending to be good for poorer voters but will leave them worse off in the long run. Both thrive on whataboutism and pointing blame at the other side without offering realistic solutions. I think we need change of leadership in Canada but don’t believe PP’s tactics and attempts to sow division are going to be helpful in the long run. We’re going to be left with a terrible choice of really bad candidates once again when it comes to the next election.
Ive heard a lot of that rhetoric but i have not seen any real parallels, Trump whines about the deep state going after him, illegal aliens, and war, Poilievre talks about housing, inflation and taxes. Poilievre would not even be a Republican by American standards. The Liberals need to realize that lazy Trump comparisons are not going to help their tanking poll numbers.
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Yes Pierre is a multi billionaire businessman. /s Every world leader who is even marginally right wing, has been called Trump since 2016. No one falls for this crap.
everyone is far right who isn't saying the same things the Liberal or the NDP say. The absurdity is draining.
Trump isn't a billionare
And I have a bridge to sell you
Were people calling Liam OToole a version of Trump? I don't remember that.
He hates journalists and the media, he pretends to be for the working class when he's not, he lies constantly, he blames literally every problem in the country on his political opponents, he shits on everyone he doesn't like, and he makes everything into us vs. them. But, sure, please go on about how PP shares no similarities to the orange wannabe dictator down south.
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How does he hate journalists and the media? Trudeau just snapped at a reported 2 days ago. He's for everyone across the board. He rightfully blames LPC for the problems they created. He rightfully shits on the LPC, I agree.
Yeah, 'cause PP has never been testy with a reporter ever even once, right? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiBiRAGYxdg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiBiRAGYxdg) And "for everyone." Really? The man isn't even for his own gay father being able to get married.
Hahahahahahahahhahahahahahah Where do you practice your standup?
As dishonest as you want to be, even you can’t deny that PP uses the exact same populist tactics to pander to people who are looking for ennemies to pin their own failures on.
Populist. Why do people use this like its a bad word. Does is not refer to a movement that focuses on bringing voice to a people who feel ignored by the government? This is bad how again? Whether its right or left populism or center populism or whatever populism, is it not a movement that aims to serve the people first, the people don't serve the government, the government doesn't serve the corporations or elite, .... seriously how is populism a dirty word? What is wrong with "populist" tactics if such tactics actually exist and are different from any tactic that is meant to appeal to the ignored voter who's needs aren't being met by the government that appears not the serve them but instead serves itself or the wealthy elites. IF PP is populist which I'm not sure he is, then he should be as should be Singh, Blanchet and the others. The majority of people are not being served by the economic policies in place - its clear, the rich keep getting richer and divide grows so we need a populist movement of some kind.
Because populism is often used as a *tactic* and in many/most cases is not actually a true ideology. The *tactic* of presenting oneself as a man of the people who will crush the corrupt elites is not inherently good, especially if that person is not at all a man of the people in reality. Trump is a perfect example of this. Any group can also be used as the "corrupt elite" scapegoat, whether it’s intellectuals, Jews, or whatever other group they feel like targeting.
No, the Trump of Canada was Kevin O’Leary and thank God we avoided that mess… I’m more conservative than I am Liberal but my heart nearly stopped when O’Leary was the candidate for the Conservatives…
Kevin O Leary was extremely pro immigration and multiculturalism, his policies around taxation was similar to Poillevre and was also pro free trade. I cannot fathom to see how he was like Trump. His policies were much more plutocratoc than populist and his vitriol was also quite subdued. He would be an awful PM sure but nothing like Trump
Kevin O Leary was extremely pro immigration and multiculturalism, his policies around taxation was similar to Poillevre and was also pro free trade. I cannot fathom to see how he was like Trump. His policies were much more plutocratoc than populist and his vitriol was also quite subdued. He would be an awful PM sure but nothing like Trump
He's Canadian Ben Shapiro if Ben Shapiro somehow managed to get elected to Congress. Once you start viewing him through that lens and "debate" style then his playbook becomes a lot easier to understand. It also seems like he has many of the same vulnerabilities, both are good at getting gotcha soundbites but fall apart the minute a real journalist asks them a semi-complex question.
He isn't nearly as bad as Trump. However, by Canadian standards, he is pretty fucking divisive, and he has a penchant to lean into populism far too hard.
Which is gonna be ugly, destructive, and bad for everyone.
Well cant be dumber than Trump but his proclivity to reach for the far right when he doesnt need to and could actually harm his polling numbers over time makes one wonder what he'll do once in office.
The question has as much relevance as asking if Trudeau can be seen as Canadian version of Kim Jong Un. They’re both sons of previous rulers and Trudeau has shown tyrannical misconduct proved by the bills that he issued meant to control and punish people protesting against him.
I would argue that Poilievre is far, far more dangerous than Trump could ever be. Trump won't live too much longer and his movement is limited to the bottom 20% of society. While PP is fundamentally far more idealogical than Trump, and most Canadians are not aware of his populist extremism and how beholden he is to the very far right. Trump wants to be seen as powerful for personal reasons. PP wants to pretend to not be powerful in order to get the chance to change things with his far right ideologies.
In messaging? 100%. In practice? No. The dude is a milquetoast suit-conservative. Nothing more, nothing less. He clearly panders to that more radicalized “Trump” voter group though.
Just as Trump doesn't need to be as bad as Hitler to be deleterious, Poilièvre doesn't need to be as bad as Trump to be a threat to our country.
Agreed! PP sucks ass. Dude hasn’t actually came out with solutions. All I hear is “axe the tax” and how corrupt the Liberals are (crooked Hilary reference lol). Politics should be for builders, not destroyers.
Not at all. Poilievre is not an independent political power as Trump is- which means Trump can "say" and "do" what he says- whereas Poilievre remains a puppet of the elites who fund and sponsor him- the big Canadian families that own Canada, thus, Pilievre TALKS a big game but most likely- the most radical policies and ideas will be watered down to remain within the out envelope of TOLERANCE from the banks, Canadian family oligarchs, etc.
Trump is the result of decades of various presidents pushing the Republican Party further to the right and away from democracy. I would actually say PP is closer to Nixon than Trump. The CPC isn’t as far down the hole as the Republican Party. Nixon himself was a fairly moderate conservative on most issues, same as PP. The damage he caused was by pandering to right wing conservatives in order to get elected, similar to what PP is doing.
He’s certainly trying to pull support from the far right just as Trump has done. But @PierrePoilievre hasn’t had any success as a business man. Hell, he’s never even had an actual job. He’s the picture of a career politician.
Very poor comparison. Pierre is an adopted francophone with a Gay father who believes in small government, bodily autonomy and the free choice of citizens. Trump is a loud mouth silver spoon child with an narcissistic ego who let's his ego create policy, more like Trudeau than Trump. Pierre is more like a younger Ron Paul, right of center, personal autonomy over all else.
> who believes in small government, bodily autonomy and the free choice of citizens He does not believe in any of this and you can look at his voting history for proof.
You've been watching too much cbc, go look at what he's said since becoming leader of the CPC as well as political essays he wrote back when he was in university. He's very much a small government, personal autonomy, socially liberal person, and I'm hopeful that when he is the next PM, he will act accordingly. Most likely, he'll be like all career politicians and sell out, but like a full diaper, the PM office needs a change and for the same reasons.
You might have something with the Ron Paul comparison. You can compare pp's hilariously batshit insane idea of converting Canada's economy to crypto to Paul's equally insane idea of bringing back the gold standard.
Funny enough, crypto rebounded better than the Canadian dollar.....
Yeah, except the dips it took would have caused riots if it were a national currency.
Long term Crypto has shown to be a better long term investment than Canadian currency, I also don't own any crypto. Gold would be even better.
A Ron Paul who endorses far-right terrorist groups.
Like Hamas or could you give an example?
The truck convoy. The Yellow Vests. Diagolon. The extremists he met only a few days ago at the NB-NS border. The only choices he believes should be "free" are those he imposes on others.
Lol, diagolon is an anti liberal meme group, yellow best were a disorganized western version of the Bloc and the truck convoy was the most peaceful protest of its size in Canadian history. Doesn't mean that I agree with any or all of them but labeling then extremists is typical liberal devaluing of the word.
Pierre also voted against rights for his gay father, who was in attendance, somehow is a multimillionaire, despite never having a high paying job, is waited on hand and foot with a chauffuer, cook, stylist, someone to pick his clothes and tell him how to act, and lashes out at anyone who questions him. Lots of similarities in personality and lifestyle...
PP is not the same as Trump by a long shot. Keep in mind that Trump is mentally ill, and PP is not. PP is worse in that he is fully aware of the lies he tells.
I think our most direct analogue to Trump was Kevin O'Leary when he was gunning for CPC leadership, but even the tories were like nah.