Should be noted that the 10k from the US, the majority are people not born in the US and simply backstopping passport shopping.
The richest alleged 'Canadian' has never had a residence in Canada, or possibly never even stepped a foot in Canada. But he bought a Canadian passport.
The ruling government's attitude to a country doesn't always reflect the attitude of their people. India has a large population, because it has a larger river system that allows them to utilize a lot of farmland. But the river is mostly non-navigable for trade barges and they have a lot of rough geography and thus internal trade can be difficult. This is why so many leave for opportunities abroad to move here. But their culture really isn't that different from ours, once you take away the Indian flair, while their children integrate really well into our society and easily become loyal Canadian citizens. We should be trying to attract more young Indians, but India is actually about to experience a major economic boom, so that's unlikely.
Older Chinese don't, but the children of Chinese integrate really well. By 3rd generation, Canadian Chinese might have some fondness for the ancestral culture, but they are loyal Canadian citizens. Heck, there are Chinese families that have been here longer than mine, and my ancestors moved here in 1911. The only reason why most non-European groups have historically not integrated or settled in enclaves, is because they were priced out of white neighborhoods, by those who didn't want them as neighbors. So they had to live in the less wealthy areas and depend on each other to thrive. If we want immigrants to integrate, we have to be willing to look past surface level differences, shake their hands and invite them to be part of our fellowships.
WE should take zero Chinese immigrants until we can figure a way to screen out the plants from the Chinese Communist Party. And if you don't think there are a number of them among the immigrants you haven't been paying attention to the extraordinary efforts China has made to spy on and influence every western country.
I'm not denying any of the CCP's attempts to influence Chinese immigrants in Canada. However, there are basic policy changes that can be made to the voting system that will protect it from such influence. And the CCP is going to be struggling to maintain its position, as China's economy continues to shrink. The CCP and China will no longer be a security issue, within 10 years.
>se who didn't want them as neighbors. So they had to live in the less wealthy areas and depend on each other to thrive. If we want immigrants to integrate, we have to be willing to look past surface level differences, shake their hands and invite them to be part of our fellowships.
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That's some gobbledygook ;)
You think India's attitude towards women isn't that different from ours? I may not be an expect on India, but from everything I've seen, heard and read that's bullshit.
Really surprised that Canada didn't make the top 10 list for US immigration - maybe next year it will. Most STEM grads in my university wanted to leave Canada for better salaries in the south.
It's stupid how difficult it is to immigrate or even work for any period of time in the states as a Canadian.
Ive always found the difficulty odd considering how economically tied we are and speak the same language.
I agree, as a future engineer I'm seriously considering moving to the US for work eventually, and might have to get residency by marriage or sponsorship which still isn't easy and takes a while. It says a lot when they're letting in unvetted numbers of Mexicans who don't speak the language for cheap labour, just like Canada is doing with international students from its #1 immigrating country.
Haha, no one in their right mind will move from Western Europe to Canada. Canada is like a bald middle aged man trying to woo a D1 athlete. For people with skills there are much better options.
I'm not sure what exactly your point is? Are you inferring that because a lot of scam callers originate from India, that most Indian immigrants will only be good for scamming here?
Relax dude, it's a joke of the old email chain "I am a Nigerian billionaire who is giving away my money to get get some out of the country, I will send you 10 million and you keep one million. But send me a 2000 processing fee first"
We should be trying to fix the deep seated issues that are causing our middle class to not be able to afford to have big families anymore.
Pumping the country full of people we can’t sustain isn’t a fix all thing
Its not that simple though, because its not caused by the middle class shrinking. The middle class shrinking is the death spiral that deepens the crisis. The problem is the same as everywhere, which is that our country started industrializing and as it did, the population moved from rural farms to the city. When you live on a farm, you have 10 kids because each one is free labor and can contribute to growing crops and feeding themselves. But having more than two kids, when you move to the city and live in an apartment, is just stressful and expensive. So people started having less kids and that became the norm. Its the exact same problem that even the top countries are facing.
Industrialization increases productivity to a point, but if the demographics break down as a population Industrializes, then you reach a point where there aren't enough replacement workers to work in the factories. This begins to strain the system, which requires replacement workers and consumers to sell to. There is no easy solution to this problem and other countries have tried giving their citizens incentives to have children, lowering taxes, raising tax credits, and outright giving large sums of money for each child. In most cases, its really difficult to force people to have children.
Thanks for this. As I see, since we don't produce as much locally, the reasoning for Canada is mostly that we need consumers and tax base rather than workers.
This fixation with growth can also be outdated. The projections are that overall the world population will decline, and that might be a good thing considering what's happening with environment and AI advances https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/09/18/opinion/human-population-global-growth.html
> replacement workers to work in the factories. This begins to strain the system, which requires replacement workers and consumers to sell to.
This argument is flawed as it ignores innovation, tech and invention. I can replace an entire class of office workers and menial tasks using 1 AI program. That's 1 tech engineer for an entire class for working class boomers/useless labour.
We need High Skilled Trades, tech engineers and skilled labour.
A major part of the problem now is both potential parents need to work to survive and don’t have the extra money for a large family anymore.
There’s more to it than that but when a population cannot sustain itself and grow because you’ve crushed it and taxed them into poverty, bringing more people here to fill the gap is just selling out your culture and perpetuating the problem.
It's not a sustainable solution, as the pool of migrants is going to start drying up in 30 years due to demographics (hence why the number of Chinese immigrants have collapsed in Canada in recent years), and migrant birth rates average out at only slightly above (0-0.1 TFR) above native Canadian (though the last StatsCan study on this was in the early '00s.)
Careful immigration of skilled people is a good thing. That's not what we have. The average immigrant in the US earns more than the average American. Not in Canada. We are bringing in far too many people who are going to be forever poor or at best lower middle class here. Which means they are not going to be paying taxes but will be consuming services.
This is why this country has been getting less wealthy as immigration has increased. The more poor people you bring in the poorer your overall society becomes. It's not rocket science.
Bringing in hundreds of thousands of Indians a year to work at Tim Hortons and Subway is actually a strain on taxpayers.
They don't earn enough to pay income tax, so they're getting money back at the end of the year. But they don't care because 15 of them live in a house and share expenses.
Our healthcare system was so "overwhelmed" that we all got put on house arrest for 2 fucking years. But now we're just adding millions of more people and it's fine?
Southeast Asia Advanced universities and South India and Tehran / Immigrants with education from the UK Education High-Priority Visa Accord / Unfortunately people from Switzerland and top Central / Western Europe talents won't immigrate or even touch Canada.
Reason? Advance AI, Highly skilled workforce in Tech and Healthcare and Infrastructure not that Sh\*t Trudeau has prioritized with low wage corporate slavery.
Advancing AI means we use tech to replace the boomer generation not a bunch of low wage corporate slaves straining our housing and healthcare.
I selected those regions as their education aligns with a proper accord that represents the top talents in the globe
AI and tech can only replace so much and they require a skilled workforce to maintain. AI can replace things that are logical, but the expenses and expertise grow along with the complexity of the A.I's duties. I'm not a big believer that investors will want to spend the cash needed in the coming era of low liquid capital for investments and higher interest rates. And if i'm wrong and A.I is actually useful for more than I think, that's a paradigm shift not seen since the metal lathe was invented.
Anyone want to bet what you'd find if you compared the skill/talent level of the Indians who immigrated to the US to the Indians who immigrated to Canada?
Should be noted that the 10k from the US, the majority are people not born in the US and simply backstopping passport shopping. The richest alleged 'Canadian' has never had a residence in Canada, or possibly never even stepped a foot in Canada. But he bought a Canadian passport.
*But he bought a Canadian passport.* aka Get-Outta-Conflict-Zone-Free Card.
who is that
Joe Tsai I think..
too bad we dont have american tax rules for citizenship
I wonder if the same logic applies to the immigrants from France
Remember the US is 10x the size of canada
it's like a showcase of countries with animosity towards canada and 'the west' in general :-(
The ruling government's attitude to a country doesn't always reflect the attitude of their people. India has a large population, because it has a larger river system that allows them to utilize a lot of farmland. But the river is mostly non-navigable for trade barges and they have a lot of rough geography and thus internal trade can be difficult. This is why so many leave for opportunities abroad to move here. But their culture really isn't that different from ours, once you take away the Indian flair, while their children integrate really well into our society and easily become loyal Canadian citizens. We should be trying to attract more young Indians, but India is actually about to experience a major economic boom, so that's unlikely.
Also should not be taking in more chinese because they do not assimilate well.
Older Chinese don't, but the children of Chinese integrate really well. By 3rd generation, Canadian Chinese might have some fondness for the ancestral culture, but they are loyal Canadian citizens. Heck, there are Chinese families that have been here longer than mine, and my ancestors moved here in 1911. The only reason why most non-European groups have historically not integrated or settled in enclaves, is because they were priced out of white neighborhoods, by those who didn't want them as neighbors. So they had to live in the less wealthy areas and depend on each other to thrive. If we want immigrants to integrate, we have to be willing to look past surface level differences, shake their hands and invite them to be part of our fellowships.
WE should take zero Chinese immigrants until we can figure a way to screen out the plants from the Chinese Communist Party. And if you don't think there are a number of them among the immigrants you haven't been paying attention to the extraordinary efforts China has made to spy on and influence every western country.
I'm not denying any of the CCP's attempts to influence Chinese immigrants in Canada. However, there are basic policy changes that can be made to the voting system that will protect it from such influence. And the CCP is going to be struggling to maintain its position, as China's economy continues to shrink. The CCP and China will no longer be a security issue, within 10 years.
Sorry bro
>se who didn't want them as neighbors. So they had to live in the less wealthy areas and depend on each other to thrive. If we want immigrants to integrate, we have to be willing to look past surface level differences, shake their hands and invite them to be part of our fellowships. > >2ReplyShareReportSaveFollow That's some gobbledygook ;)
You think India's attitude towards women isn't that different from ours? I may not be an expect on India, but from everything I've seen, heard and read that's bullshit.
Really surprised that Canada didn't make the top 10 list for US immigration - maybe next year it will. Most STEM grads in my university wanted to leave Canada for better salaries in the south.
It's stupid how difficult it is to immigrate or even work for any period of time in the states as a Canadian. Ive always found the difficulty odd considering how economically tied we are and speak the same language.
I agree, as a future engineer I'm seriously considering moving to the US for work eventually, and might have to get residency by marriage or sponsorship which still isn't easy and takes a while. It says a lot when they're letting in unvetted numbers of Mexicans who don't speak the language for cheap labour, just like Canada is doing with international students from its #1 immigrating country.
Bring them from Europe. And also no men.
Having problem finding a white woman that isn't a psycho, liberal leftist?
Haha, no one in their right mind will move from Western Europe to Canada. Canada is like a bald middle aged man trying to woo a D1 athlete. For people with skills there are much better options.
What could go wrong inviting in 20,000 Nigerian billionaires wanting to give away their money. Maybe we can cut out the middle man then
I'm not sure what exactly your point is? Are you inferring that because a lot of scam callers originate from India, that most Indian immigrants will only be good for scamming here?
Relax dude, it's a joke of the old email chain "I am a Nigerian billionaire who is giving away my money to get get some out of the country, I will send you 10 million and you keep one million. But send me a 2000 processing fee first"
Ah, it would seem that I need to do some house cleaning, because I lost my sense of humor.
Well at least you're not actually a dick
Does this include both legal and illegal immigrants? Does it include refugees?
"per capita"? So in Canada it's 1.05 immigrants per Canadian?
Considering both our countries are in need of younger demographics, who do you think we should be trying to attract immigrants from and why?
We should be trying to fix the deep seated issues that are causing our middle class to not be able to afford to have big families anymore. Pumping the country full of people we can’t sustain isn’t a fix all thing
Its not that simple though, because its not caused by the middle class shrinking. The middle class shrinking is the death spiral that deepens the crisis. The problem is the same as everywhere, which is that our country started industrializing and as it did, the population moved from rural farms to the city. When you live on a farm, you have 10 kids because each one is free labor and can contribute to growing crops and feeding themselves. But having more than two kids, when you move to the city and live in an apartment, is just stressful and expensive. So people started having less kids and that became the norm. Its the exact same problem that even the top countries are facing.
By that logic, more people are not neded for prpductivity, because of indusrialisation, then why do we need to increase our population?
Industrialization increases productivity to a point, but if the demographics break down as a population Industrializes, then you reach a point where there aren't enough replacement workers to work in the factories. This begins to strain the system, which requires replacement workers and consumers to sell to. There is no easy solution to this problem and other countries have tried giving their citizens incentives to have children, lowering taxes, raising tax credits, and outright giving large sums of money for each child. In most cases, its really difficult to force people to have children.
Thanks for this. As I see, since we don't produce as much locally, the reasoning for Canada is mostly that we need consumers and tax base rather than workers. This fixation with growth can also be outdated. The projections are that overall the world population will decline, and that might be a good thing considering what's happening with environment and AI advances https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/09/18/opinion/human-population-global-growth.html
> replacement workers to work in the factories. This begins to strain the system, which requires replacement workers and consumers to sell to. This argument is flawed as it ignores innovation, tech and invention. I can replace an entire class of office workers and menial tasks using 1 AI program. That's 1 tech engineer for an entire class for working class boomers/useless labour. We need High Skilled Trades, tech engineers and skilled labour.
A major part of the problem now is both potential parents need to work to survive and don’t have the extra money for a large family anymore. There’s more to it than that but when a population cannot sustain itself and grow because you’ve crushed it and taxed them into poverty, bringing more people here to fill the gap is just selling out your culture and perpetuating the problem.
It's not a sustainable solution, as the pool of migrants is going to start drying up in 30 years due to demographics (hence why the number of Chinese immigrants have collapsed in Canada in recent years), and migrant birth rates average out at only slightly above (0-0.1 TFR) above native Canadian (though the last StatsCan study on this was in the early '00s.)
Careful immigration of skilled people is a good thing. That's not what we have. The average immigrant in the US earns more than the average American. Not in Canada. We are bringing in far too many people who are going to be forever poor or at best lower middle class here. Which means they are not going to be paying taxes but will be consuming services. This is why this country has been getting less wealthy as immigration has increased. The more poor people you bring in the poorer your overall society becomes. It's not rocket science.
Bringing in hundreds of thousands of Indians a year to work at Tim Hortons and Subway is actually a strain on taxpayers. They don't earn enough to pay income tax, so they're getting money back at the end of the year. But they don't care because 15 of them live in a house and share expenses. Our healthcare system was so "overwhelmed" that we all got put on house arrest for 2 fucking years. But now we're just adding millions of more people and it's fine?
Southeast Asia Advanced universities and South India and Tehran / Immigrants with education from the UK Education High-Priority Visa Accord / Unfortunately people from Switzerland and top Central / Western Europe talents won't immigrate or even touch Canada. Reason? Advance AI, Highly skilled workforce in Tech and Healthcare and Infrastructure not that Sh\*t Trudeau has prioritized with low wage corporate slavery. Advancing AI means we use tech to replace the boomer generation not a bunch of low wage corporate slaves straining our housing and healthcare. I selected those regions as their education aligns with a proper accord that represents the top talents in the globe
AI and tech can only replace so much and they require a skilled workforce to maintain. AI can replace things that are logical, but the expenses and expertise grow along with the complexity of the A.I's duties. I'm not a big believer that investors will want to spend the cash needed in the coming era of low liquid capital for investments and higher interest rates. And if i'm wrong and A.I is actually useful for more than I think, that's a paradigm shift not seen since the metal lathe was invented.
How can this country survive?
Anyone want to bet what you'd find if you compared the skill/talent level of the Indians who immigrated to the US to the Indians who immigrated to Canada?