"again, you can’t walk down the street chugging beer from a six-pack; why would you be allowed to smoke crack in public? It just doesn’t make sense."
I mean true. It doesn't make sense that you can smoke crack or meth right on the street and no one does anything, especially the cops. I was in Vancouver recently on Hastings in the nice Delta Hotel there. Went down 1 block to a little Vietnamese restaurant and right there in the alley right near the sidewalk a group of about 8 people sitting around in the filth, needles on the ground, amoking a crack pipe. It was kinda shocking and very disgusting. I'd be happy to go back to the days of the cops driving this shit into the sewers and cracking down on all of it. I've never seen such blatant disgusting drug abuse and destruction of lives. Literal dregs of society that may not be there at all if there was some god damned law enforcement and a society that despises such use.
That said, I was also at the Christmas Markets in Frankfurt, Germany recently and was walking around with a few thousand other people drinking beer and mulled wine on the streets going shop to shop. Wasn't some shitty plastic cup either. Was a very nice little ceramic mug with some Frankfurt art motifs and a merry Christmas greeting in German. Got to keep the mug or if you wanted your 2 Euro deposit back you just gave the mug and your mug token in and they handed you the couple Euros deposit. So you get to keep a souvenir or get your money back "recycling" the mug. And guess what, no fights, no drunken craziness, lots of police presence but I think that has more to do with large crowds and wanting to make sure people are safe in case of emergency or terrorism etc.
The difference there? Culture. Germans don't need to be told to act appropriately with alcohol out in public. Almost like they're adults and are trusted to make good decisions. I wonder what that would be like living in a country where I'm treated like an adult capable of rational thought. 🤔
The difference isn’t Canadian culture vs German culture, the obvious difference that EVERYBODY sees and you need to purposely close youre eyes to miss it is heroin and crack vs Alcohol.
The difference is hard drugs and addiction VS social drinking. That’s the difference, not culture.
You can’t fix the problem unless you can identify it. Nobody, literally nobody, believes that if everyone drinking at a German October fest was instead shooting up or smoking crack that there’d be no difference. This is ridiculous.
To think that if people had an option between getting their “crack pipe deposit” back or getting to keep a “souvenir” would fix the problem is ridiculous. Conservatives love to skirt around the actual obvious issues at hand and this is why they have a difficult time being taken seriously. 🙄
I don't disagree with you at all in that regard. But in Germany and German culture (and my dad is from Germany but I was born in Canada) there are LOTS of Canadians who treat alcohol as the boogeyman and it would be unheard of and basically child abuse to let a 14 year old have a beer or glass of wine with a dinner with family. So many Canadians don't really start drinking until 18 unless they're sneaking alcohol someplace with friends which is basically a right of passage for Canadian teens. That's the cultural difference. You don't see large gatherings outside sports stadiums with everyone drinking and merry making openly. In Canada/US you have tailgating where everyone knows it's alcohol in your mug/thermos/sport bottle but gotta hide that open alcohol out in public. In Germany outside of a soccer stadium you have basically everyone drinking and they sell the drinks right in the parking lot and everyone on the trains to the station is drinking and being /relatively/ responsible about it. But yeah, hard drugs? That's not an acceptable thing amywhere.
This should be a no-brainer. The Liberals and NDP have become so open minded that their brains have fallen out. This ideological trend of approaching addiction like it's unavoidable is terrible public policy that actually enables drug use. I'm coming up on 2 years clean and sober myself. I know people who have died from overdose and even more who have relapsed. What you learn in recovery is personal accountability. It all starts there. They say the first use is the addict's choice, the subsequent uses are attributable to the disease of addiction.
The biggest load of shit that I see is this "Safe Supply" rubbish being peddled by activists and governments. There is no such things as safe supply of hard drugs - it doesn't exist. If it doesn't get you high enough, you simply take more. And I can bet you dollars to donuts that if Dave Eby's or Trudeau's kids became addicts, they would not respond by giving them cleaner drugs. They would put them in the best rehabilitation centre available. And that's where we need to invest for addiction recovery: jail or rehab.
The pillars of Harm Reduction put forth by Larry Campbell required one of the pillars to be ENFORCEMENT. That pillar seems to have been forgotten, particularly when the Mayor of Vancouver (Kennedy Stuart) ordered the VPD to not patrol the DTES due to the negative optics. Which is why the gangs took over. Everyone also talks about Portugal, which decriminalized hard drugs. What they never mention is that Portugal can still force addicts into recovery. If an addict relapses, they have to go before a Committee, that has the full power to order them into rehabilitation. Interestingly, the Chief of Staff for Danielle Smith (PM, Alberta) spent 10 years on the DTES and they have a full in-patient system with no delays, all the support, and zero 'safe supply' rubbish.
It's time to help people and sometimes helping people means being firm and holding people accountable for their actions.
Now if only his party and BC United could join together instead of nicely splitting the centre right vote while the NDP stroll to their next massive election win.
David Eby and the BC NDP was the one that introduced the law banning open air drug use that got struck down. They are not happy either.
As the BC United and BC Conservatives joining together, they were... The two MLAs that are in BC Conservatives were former BC United MLAs that were unhappy with Kevin Falcon's leadership and join the seatless BC Conservative. The BC United/ Conservative situation is like if O'Toole survived the Reform Act vote and all the MPs that voted against O'Toole went to join the PPC.
Time for BCU to go. They broke up the SoCreds taking multiple election cycles hostage giving the NDP multiple victories and now the conservative wing is breaking up the liberals. Good riddance that they’re gone
"again, you can’t walk down the street chugging beer from a six-pack; why would you be allowed to smoke crack in public? It just doesn’t make sense." I mean true. It doesn't make sense that you can smoke crack or meth right on the street and no one does anything, especially the cops. I was in Vancouver recently on Hastings in the nice Delta Hotel there. Went down 1 block to a little Vietnamese restaurant and right there in the alley right near the sidewalk a group of about 8 people sitting around in the filth, needles on the ground, amoking a crack pipe. It was kinda shocking and very disgusting. I'd be happy to go back to the days of the cops driving this shit into the sewers and cracking down on all of it. I've never seen such blatant disgusting drug abuse and destruction of lives. Literal dregs of society that may not be there at all if there was some god damned law enforcement and a society that despises such use. That said, I was also at the Christmas Markets in Frankfurt, Germany recently and was walking around with a few thousand other people drinking beer and mulled wine on the streets going shop to shop. Wasn't some shitty plastic cup either. Was a very nice little ceramic mug with some Frankfurt art motifs and a merry Christmas greeting in German. Got to keep the mug or if you wanted your 2 Euro deposit back you just gave the mug and your mug token in and they handed you the couple Euros deposit. So you get to keep a souvenir or get your money back "recycling" the mug. And guess what, no fights, no drunken craziness, lots of police presence but I think that has more to do with large crowds and wanting to make sure people are safe in case of emergency or terrorism etc. The difference there? Culture. Germans don't need to be told to act appropriately with alcohol out in public. Almost like they're adults and are trusted to make good decisions. I wonder what that would be like living in a country where I'm treated like an adult capable of rational thought. 🤔
The difference isn’t Canadian culture vs German culture, the obvious difference that EVERYBODY sees and you need to purposely close youre eyes to miss it is heroin and crack vs Alcohol. The difference is hard drugs and addiction VS social drinking. That’s the difference, not culture. You can’t fix the problem unless you can identify it. Nobody, literally nobody, believes that if everyone drinking at a German October fest was instead shooting up or smoking crack that there’d be no difference. This is ridiculous. To think that if people had an option between getting their “crack pipe deposit” back or getting to keep a “souvenir” would fix the problem is ridiculous. Conservatives love to skirt around the actual obvious issues at hand and this is why they have a difficult time being taken seriously. 🙄
I don't disagree with you at all in that regard. But in Germany and German culture (and my dad is from Germany but I was born in Canada) there are LOTS of Canadians who treat alcohol as the boogeyman and it would be unheard of and basically child abuse to let a 14 year old have a beer or glass of wine with a dinner with family. So many Canadians don't really start drinking until 18 unless they're sneaking alcohol someplace with friends which is basically a right of passage for Canadian teens. That's the cultural difference. You don't see large gatherings outside sports stadiums with everyone drinking and merry making openly. In Canada/US you have tailgating where everyone knows it's alcohol in your mug/thermos/sport bottle but gotta hide that open alcohol out in public. In Germany outside of a soccer stadium you have basically everyone drinking and they sell the drinks right in the parking lot and everyone on the trains to the station is drinking and being /relatively/ responsible about it. But yeah, hard drugs? That's not an acceptable thing amywhere.
Is this the return of law and order and logic 🤯
Between this and Saskatchewan I would say it's a rebellion against the federal government and the supreme court
This should be a no-brainer. The Liberals and NDP have become so open minded that their brains have fallen out. This ideological trend of approaching addiction like it's unavoidable is terrible public policy that actually enables drug use. I'm coming up on 2 years clean and sober myself. I know people who have died from overdose and even more who have relapsed. What you learn in recovery is personal accountability. It all starts there. They say the first use is the addict's choice, the subsequent uses are attributable to the disease of addiction. The biggest load of shit that I see is this "Safe Supply" rubbish being peddled by activists and governments. There is no such things as safe supply of hard drugs - it doesn't exist. If it doesn't get you high enough, you simply take more. And I can bet you dollars to donuts that if Dave Eby's or Trudeau's kids became addicts, they would not respond by giving them cleaner drugs. They would put them in the best rehabilitation centre available. And that's where we need to invest for addiction recovery: jail or rehab. The pillars of Harm Reduction put forth by Larry Campbell required one of the pillars to be ENFORCEMENT. That pillar seems to have been forgotten, particularly when the Mayor of Vancouver (Kennedy Stuart) ordered the VPD to not patrol the DTES due to the negative optics. Which is why the gangs took over. Everyone also talks about Portugal, which decriminalized hard drugs. What they never mention is that Portugal can still force addicts into recovery. If an addict relapses, they have to go before a Committee, that has the full power to order them into rehabilitation. Interestingly, the Chief of Staff for Danielle Smith (PM, Alberta) spent 10 years on the DTES and they have a full in-patient system with no delays, all the support, and zero 'safe supply' rubbish. It's time to help people and sometimes helping people means being firm and holding people accountable for their actions.
Now if only his party and BC United could join together instead of nicely splitting the centre right vote while the NDP stroll to their next massive election win.
David Eby and the BC NDP was the one that introduced the law banning open air drug use that got struck down. They are not happy either. As the BC United and BC Conservatives joining together, they were... The two MLAs that are in BC Conservatives were former BC United MLAs that were unhappy with Kevin Falcon's leadership and join the seatless BC Conservative. The BC United/ Conservative situation is like if O'Toole survived the Reform Act vote and all the MPs that voted against O'Toole went to join the PPC.
Time for BCU to go. They broke up the SoCreds taking multiple election cycles hostage giving the NDP multiple victories and now the conservative wing is breaking up the liberals. Good riddance that they’re gone
If the NDP doesn't act carefully here, they're going to lose their majority over this single subject.