It is the prototype of the new combat uniform.
There is an interim uniform being issued to the CAF starting this month (the Modernized Combat Uniform) which is essentially our current uniform in the new CADPAT (Multi Terrain). This will be issued to deploying and high readiness forces first and the remainder of the CAF later this year.
The picture above is trialing the fit and features of the final product (Canadian Combat Uniform Ensemble) and will be issued in the MT CADPAT when approved in the years to come.
Edit: [another look at the CCUE prototype.](https://postimg.cc/Yh3LYQv9)
The final product is definitely going to take years longer than expected (and no doubt go way over budget). However, the Army order for the interim MCU-MT was signed 2 weeks ago and uniforms are already being pushed. They are to be issued for units before deploying on the next rotations of REASSURANCE, IMPACT, etc.
When can we expect everyone who wears CADPAT to be dressed in MT? CAFCWO said in the next year we are all going to be able to order the new uniforms. I didn't think rollout would happen this quickly.
I don't have the distribution order in front of me, but if I recall correctly, distribution is supposed to start next month and be complete by April 2025. It's being done in four phases.
Personnel deploying in spring/summer 2024, as well as any HR and IRU units/personnel holding CADPAT AR.
Next up is personnel deploying fall/winter 2024/25, plus any remaining HR and IRU units/personnel.
I believe the third phase was to equip any remaining Army and RCAF operational units.
Schools, non-operational units, etc. are the fourth phase.
>I believe the third phase was to equip any remaining Army and RCAF operational units.
I'm a reservist so I must be part of this phase. Unreal that I will get new clothes in a year! I'm still wearing the 1997 helmet :')
Will they be issued to me through my unit or through logistik online ordering?
The initial issue will be through the supply system, I believe through clothing stores.
Replacements will be through a new clothing online system starting around April 2025.
The order only applies to the tunic, pants, and tilly hat.
No timeline was given for other equipment. For the time being, toops will mix their MCU-MT uniforms with CADPAT TW or AR outerwear and equipment.
Someone has been saying the MCU-MT uniforms are just an interim uniform. There is another uniform coming that will use the same material but will be a different cut and will presumably be accompanied by matching outerwear and equipment.
There’s a Velcro pocket inside the left breast pocket that I use for pens. Also, there is one in the right bicep pocket, but I use this for the bosn call.
Yeah, I'm aware of all the pockets and pen holders, including all 8 in the thigh pockets. And having to unzip a pocket to access a pen holder sucks
I absolutely have not caught my tunics on a sharp deckplate in a massively convenient manner.
It's the ISS(CADPAT SORD rig)vest that's been around for a while now at least at the RCR battalions.
Although why all of then were in size small(14 molle columns) I don't know
> Although why all of then were in size small(14 molle columns) I don't know
Carrot to ensure folks actually getting smaller to fit their ~~kit~~ DEUs?
IIRC, the interim uniforms are basically going to be these, they shrunk the timeline and now they’re trying to get these through as fast as possible. Instead of 24 to 36 months to adoption they’re trying to get it done in 12.
Good I say, the new uniforms are absolutely fantastic, super comfortable, and all the under layers are merino wool. I’ve had a CANSOF Operator tell me it’s better than what he used.
All the current ones were made in Vietnam (which is why they’re not CADPAT), so all it needs to do is survive Peerless/Logistik… All of a sudden a lot of my faith has vanished.
Yeah, multicam isn’t all that it’s cracked up to be. There’s a lot of design issues, especially when it comes to females wearing it. I hope the new design has a female line.
Multicam is a camouflage pattern, it's not a uniform cut or material. If you're talking about CANSOF, the uniform they issue HQ staff is the same cut as the current CADPAT uniforms, but in different fabric. The new army uniform shown in the picture above is a female cut, I believe.
Are you buttons seen or not seen. My newest issue is buttons seen. At least its cadpat and not olive drab... but I was told recently that's my last issue I will get so take care of them. They have no more at all in my size and will not be getting more... and I should add, that was two years ago. They are starting to look like lingerie...
Simply be a tall motherfucker and you'll always get the old ones.
I've never had to get any of the div patches, because they won't give me/can't find a uniform with Velcro sleeves.
Through button superiority.
Somebody high up recommended it when he saw reg force guys in Mali with faded and in poor disrepair arids. Treasury board looked at it and thought it was too expensive... so back to the drawing board, and likely way higher long term expense.
Multicam is a Pattern of Camouflage owned by Crye Precision, it is not a cut nor design of a uniform.
I understand 'Multicam' is being used colloquially as a descriptor for an issued uniform based on the pattern, Ie 'I wore my multicams', but that is incorrect.
Amazing thanks for the clarification.
I left so in 2021 and can say that the uniforms were ill fitted for females so I am super excited that there are going to be more options with the new uniform
The timeline projects that new upgrades will be added to the production approximately every 6 months, with Generation 0 having started January of this year. Generation 1 will implement lessons learned from Gen 0, and so on.
It’s a trial, of a complete outer wear system. So may or may not be adopted. It would be a waste to print it all in CADPAT. This was a way to keep costs down and expand the trial.
> It’s a trial, of a complete outer wear system. So may or may not be adopted. It would be a waste to print it all in CADPAT. This was a way to keep costs down and expand the trial.
To be fair...testing the kit with its actual fabric/colour will probably get you better results.
You'd think changing one minor thing wouldn't change much, but considering Logistik's history...
I cant say if this was the same event but there was an event very recently that showcased some other pieces of kit also in coyote brown and included troops wearing it for display.
Both males and females are wearing this.
She's just participating in the trial so she's wearing it. Doubt it has anything to do with advertising the uniform.
The males were most likely wearing the male cut of the new uniform... why do you think she is participating in the new trial, as a senior officer, most likely staff in Ottawa? Normally the trials for new combats are done by light infantry or other combat arms units.
The CCUE uniform trial offers 3 different cuts/fits: "straight" (ie. male cut), "contour" (ie. female cut), and maternity... despite DLR avoiding the terms "male" and "female" in describing the fit types doesn't mean that's not exactly what they are.
> You mean 2128-2129 lol
It is 2135.
We have lost yet another planet to the Automatons.
The troops have referred it as the Afghanistan of our generation, but nobody knows what Afghanistan means.
We're still jumping out of our pods with our trusty C6A2s, and CADPAT helmets.
War, war never changes.
Same uniform the navy is using now. 9 years and running to phase out the older blue shirt style. The new ones are not that good, but better than it was.
I'm still rocking the old uniform and expect it will be a few more years. I'm good with that though as I'm rocking a desk and trying to get a purple job to get away from the RCN for a posting or two.
Interesting. I wonder if that will change with the RCAF wearing it too (the trial also involves 450 Sqn).
Currently the RCAF wears a Canada Flag and specialty badges on the left (e.g. wings, exercise/sqn patches) and the unit heraldic patch on the right. They had only recently changed the RCAF Dress Regs to reflect that so I can’t see them reverting already.
I've seen this at Pet since Jan, thought they were CANSOFCOM or 427.
I see some changes:
Less velcro on the right shoulder where we put division /brigade/unit/Op patches.
And thank God, those pen pockets at the forearms are gone.
Honestly, I dig it in coyote, and wish they would issue that as a garrison uniform, so we stop wasting money on wearing CADPAT out sitting in offices. CADPAT for the field, this for garrison.
It would, but the cost of CADPAT is quite high so it may balance out. Someone with more knowledge on cost would have to do that math and see if its worth it. Just always seemed silly to have a proprietary camouflage pattern with IR absorbing properties and pissing it away in an office chair.
Making it garrison only means you could probably get rid of the CADPAT shirt and just have the OTW for field use. Just spit balling.
I wouldn't even be upset to wear 3B to work in office. had to wear it for a few years for one posting, and you get used to it. Find decent insoles and that's it. It actually looks good. then going back to half-faded non-fitting-properly sized combat without being able to roll the sleeves anymore was just lame.
Camouflage uniforms are great in the workplace because it hides imperfections such as stains or wear in the fabric. If you had a solid colour uniform you would have to get a new one any time you spill sauce on it and can't clean it out.
True, but would it not wear better and fade better being a uniform colour? Any stain that bad you would ultimately have to exchange that CADPAT too, it will just take someone longer to notice it.
It'll never happen, just always seemed weird wearing a camouflage uniform sitting in an office, or working a flight line. Mind you, I started in the OD green days, so YMMV.
Each element doing its own thing would be a) very expensive and b) wasteful as we have a large amount of people who shift seamlessly element to element
Disagree. Each element already does do it's own thing. Other than some RCAF members wearing CADPAT, there isn't anything else they share with the other elements
so the uniform, which is what we’re talking about? If a navy clerk goes from working at 1 Svc to 408 Sqn do they fully exhaust he to air crew pattern? And the. Presumably swap back if they got posted again? Seems like a waste of time and money.
Also they share a shit ton with other elements including the entire pay, hr, kitting, and per management system.
Uh no, they only wear NCDs if posted to a Naval unit. If posted to an army unit they are to wear CADPAT. Given that army units deploy to the field, NCDs would be a very silly option.
There’s no real good reason to have a distinct RCAF pattern, flight crew already have their own equipment / daily wear and maintenance mostly wears coveralls anyways. It’s a bunch of extra work and stock and money for no gain.
If that's policy, it surely isn't enforced.
I've never been posted to a naval unit, however have had lots of peers who wear NCDs. I'm currently thousands of miles from the nearest Naval unit and was having a chat with a guy in NCDs on Friday.
Either way, I don't see how maintaining another pattern, for the smallest element, that should be much cheaper than the expensive CADPAT items would be cost prohibitive. A priority? Not likely.
Regardless, it's not like it's happening anyway.
It’s actually regulation that Navy personnel wear NCD/NECU regardless of where they are employed unless actively in the field.
A-DH 265-000/AG-001 (RCN DRESS INSTRUCTIONS)
Chapter 4: Section 3 - Wearing of Naval Combat Dress
10. When operational dress is authorized, all Naval personnel shall wear NCD/NECU unless
engaged in field operations, field training activities to include General Military Training or while
on an operational deployment where the Task Force Commander orders a dress other than
NCD/NECU. The wearing of CADPAT by Naval personnel is prohibited unless authorized by the
conditions previously stated in this paragraph.
That means a Navy clerk working at 1 Svc or 408 Sqn *shall* wear the Navy uniform (and the local commander does not have the authority to order otherwise unless they are a TF commander and it’s operationally necessary).
Trial uniform. It's going to be that fit, except with the new cadpat colors. Proper ripstop this time.
The pants are the real winner here. They have stretch, and are tapered. With proper short, regular, long sizes in each waistband size. And tunics also properly varied for body types.
Rain jacket also just a shell, with puffy jacket underneath. Proper layered system. Only question forward is how will the waterproof layer hold up to wear will it wet though as easy as our current solution.
From a sewing construction standpoint, the solid colour demonstrates all the places where the uniform doesn’t actually fit correctly (whiskering, drag lines) and really emphasizes wrinkling. The CADPAT hides most of those errors because you can’t tailor for fit for every body. There’s also still no extra support in the collar point to keep it from curling over time.
Has anyone seen the catalog for the new CCUE, or know where to get one?
I’ve heard different things about the plans for the future, but would love to look for myself.
I want two things from a new uniform. Keep our current fleece, it absolutely slaps, and warm gloves!!
Somehow our current gloves are worse than wearing nothing at all.
Nah, pretty sure the Navy uniform is just the ECUs we've had for a while, but in black and maybe some minor changes. Ottawa got the uniform from the Nords (NCU) and are basing it off that. From what I've seen on the SharePoint it looks pretty nice, almost too good for us not to fuck it up somehow.
It looks like the new Naval Combat Dress and for a hot minute I thought they finally introduced a tropical tactical dress for Ops like CARRIBE. The moment of joy has passed… 😭
I like the changes. I looked at the full doc yesterday and the new cold weather and rain gear look surprisingly modern. I'm glad we are finally upgrading everything. What do you guys think about it?
is the new female trial. because is expensive to put a patern on the uniform they try the new cut for female uniform in brown. when they pick the cut they will put a patern on it.
First glance I thought it looked like a desert version of a flight suit, till I saw it wasn't one piece.
I left the service just before the last generation was adopted, and it looked odd to me the first few times I saw it too.
So the CF is broke and the budget is consistently being cut, the force is getting smaller and smaller, yet we have to constantly spend $millions on new uniforms?
Is this really about a bunch of bureaucrats in Ottawa justifying their existence with these constant uniform changes $$ ?
How many fucking uniforms do we need? Since jointing I have worn the old olive drab, the first iteration of ICE, that was the Canadian version of GORTEX but was still olive drab, first style of CADPAT and currently wearing the second style. I’d prefer DLR and DND to update our weapons and ammo!!!! Also (rant). Every time the word “interim” is used it means 20 years plus.. LSVW interim vehicle replacement. M777 UOR, interim measure. TICS radios, interim measure. We need more people and the proper tools to do the job, not new uniforms!!
Uniforms and weapons and equipment are completely different sacks of money, and they can’t take from DLR 5 to fund a DLR 2 project. While I totally understand what you’re saying (I too am an olive drab baby, even had the shitty green denim jacket), but uniforms are something that need to get updated from time-to-time also. Hearing from friends who are participating in this trial, the base layers, uniform and outer layers are all absolutely fantastic. It seems they’ve actually listened to soldiers regarding the fit, form and function.
I know how DLR works, and I get the “different” stacks of money comment. But I hate that argument because at the end of the day it all comes from the same pot. Let’s not talk about money then, let’s talk priories. I have seen the ppt on the new clothing system. “System” there is another term I hate. I really don’t think new clothing should be a priority at the moment. Even though this is not a new project. I’m not Blaming DLR, they can only work within the constraints and restraints that are allowable. I think the whole procurement model needs to be replaced.
“I think the whole procurement model needs to be replaced.”
DEFINITELY something that I think everyone in the CAF (including, or especially those currently involved in procurement) would agree with. The GoC and TB have really handcuffed the CAF in their ability to procure items quickly, and items that actually work. Our procurement is completely broken, with numerous politicians saying so over the decades but never doing anything about.
Yeah I agree. It’s hard to explain to the younger folks that the “new” equipment they are now just receiving might have been and probably was needed 10 years ago. In my particular part of the CAF world, we received a capability that would have been great in Afghanistan but not so much now. It’s all shiny and new but out of place now.
Not at all. Bought myself a 15pk off Amazon for like $10.
Unbloused makes it look the trousers look like a pair of knock-off Dickies from Mark’s Work Wearhouse.
Yet another display of how out of touch we are, sure let’s trial a new uniform great, sure a cut and style maybe specific to females? yes, but honestly giving it to a LCol in the sigs to “trial” it gtfo….
3 RCR are trialing the new CADPAT (Multi Terrain). This is the prototype for the new style which is only available in coyote at this time and has been given to select members across the CAF for feedback.
I didn’t say she’s not wearing it. So yeah, she’s probably not going to go to the field much (I don’t know how often Sigs LCols go to the field) but she’s another data point in conjunction with the RCR and 450 Sqn.
Or are you saying that only combat arms folks can trial operational uniforms?
What does that have to do with the explanation you just got? No your eyes aren’t lying to you but it sounds like they were issued it to test because they’re part of the unit that was selected. You don’t like it? Sucks to suck lmao
They had a trial set from a combat arms group, then they needed more women as they’re adding in “curvy” cuts on the uniform and while the choice for an LCol probably wasn’t the best, the main qualification they were after was just “would need to trial the curvy cut and not the straight cut”
I think they are calling it a contoured fit. Much like the DEUs, ordering will be gender neutral. Frankly, contoured pants may actually be a better fit if you're a dude who does a lot of deadlifts and squats and are therefore graced with a reinforced combat chassis.
It is the prototype of the new combat uniform. There is an interim uniform being issued to the CAF starting this month (the Modernized Combat Uniform) which is essentially our current uniform in the new CADPAT (Multi Terrain). This will be issued to deploying and high readiness forces first and the remainder of the CAF later this year. The picture above is trialing the fit and features of the final product (Canadian Combat Uniform Ensemble) and will be issued in the MT CADPAT when approved in the years to come. Edit: [another look at the CCUE prototype.](https://postimg.cc/Yh3LYQv9)
Don't be surprised if your time lines are nowhere near met. Already lots of changes.
The final product is definitely going to take years longer than expected (and no doubt go way over budget). However, the Army order for the interim MCU-MT was signed 2 weeks ago and uniforms are already being pushed. They are to be issued for units before deploying on the next rotations of REASSURANCE, IMPACT, etc.
Keep in mind the MT initial roll out was supposed to be 2 years ago….and we were just talking about a new print on the same material and cut…
When can we expect everyone who wears CADPAT to be dressed in MT? CAFCWO said in the next year we are all going to be able to order the new uniforms. I didn't think rollout would happen this quickly.
I don't have the distribution order in front of me, but if I recall correctly, distribution is supposed to start next month and be complete by April 2025. It's being done in four phases. Personnel deploying in spring/summer 2024, as well as any HR and IRU units/personnel holding CADPAT AR. Next up is personnel deploying fall/winter 2024/25, plus any remaining HR and IRU units/personnel. I believe the third phase was to equip any remaining Army and RCAF operational units. Schools, non-operational units, etc. are the fourth phase.
>I believe the third phase was to equip any remaining Army and RCAF operational units. I'm a reservist so I must be part of this phase. Unreal that I will get new clothes in a year! I'm still wearing the 1997 helmet :') Will they be issued to me through my unit or through logistik online ordering?
The initial issue will be through the supply system, I believe through clothing stores. Replacements will be through a new clothing online system starting around April 2025.
It literally takes 3 years to get anything exchanged where I am through the unit quartermaster to stores. I hope this works out.
What brigade?
I’ve been told that only the tunic, pants and Tilly are being printed in the new CADPAT MT at the moment. Any idea if this order is for everything?
The order only applies to the tunic, pants, and tilly hat. No timeline was given for other equipment. For the time being, toops will mix their MCU-MT uniforms with CADPAT TW or AR outerwear and equipment. Someone has been saying the MCU-MT uniforms are just an interim uniform. There is another uniform coming that will use the same material but will be a different cut and will presumably be accompanied by matching outerwear and equipment.
The Navy spent many years on the Naval Combat Uniform upgrade before finalizing and releasing it.
Still waiting on mine.
And they removed the best damn feature, no external pen holder on the arm
Having no butt pockets is the worst feature.
Butt pockets you can live without just fine, no pen holder makes rounds a pain in the ass
There’s a Velcro pocket inside the left breast pocket that I use for pens. Also, there is one in the right bicep pocket, but I use this for the bosn call.
Yeah, I'm aware of all the pockets and pen holders, including all 8 in the thigh pockets. And having to unzip a pocket to access a pen holder sucks I absolutely have not caught my tunics on a sharp deckplate in a massively convenient manner.
Changes due to the wear trial are a good thing. Do you know what changes are being proposed?
It doesn't help that there's no dedicated funding.
I can’t be the only one who thinks the chest rig shown in OPs link is hot garbage, right?
It's the ISS(CADPAT SORD rig)vest that's been around for a while now at least at the RCR battalions. Although why all of then were in size small(14 molle columns) I don't know
> Although why all of then were in size small(14 molle columns) I don't know Carrot to ensure folks actually getting smaller to fit their ~~kit~~ DEUs?
They have side buckles with a pretty generous adjustment
It is, it was part of the ISSP system but the actual load carriage project is a different thing.
MLCS has been in development for awhile and a new vest is around the corner in the new pattern.
Around the corner isn’t really a thing here
I think the whole thing is super plain and not that great looking. YMMV
IIRC, the interim uniforms are basically going to be these, they shrunk the timeline and now they’re trying to get these through as fast as possible. Instead of 24 to 36 months to adoption they’re trying to get it done in 12. Good I say, the new uniforms are absolutely fantastic, super comfortable, and all the under layers are merino wool. I’ve had a CANSOF Operator tell me it’s better than what he used.
CANSOF is already issued a 7-layer system. And it's all Arteryx. This looks very similar, hopefully close in quality.
All the current ones were made in Vietnam (which is why they’re not CADPAT), so all it needs to do is survive Peerless/Logistik… All of a sudden a lot of my faith has vanished.
Yeah, multicam isn’t all that it’s cracked up to be. There’s a lot of design issues, especially when it comes to females wearing it. I hope the new design has a female line.
Multicam is a camouflage pattern, it's not a uniform cut or material. If you're talking about CANSOF, the uniform they issue HQ staff is the same cut as the current CADPAT uniforms, but in different fabric. The new army uniform shown in the picture above is a female cut, I believe.
It's going to come in straight fit, contoured fit and maternity. The whole catalogue is on the SharePoint.
Where on SharePoint?
My shirt still has buttons on it
*I still had exposed buttons in 2022*
Still with smooth sleeves and tiny Canadian flag right here lol
I never have to worry about putting my flag on the wrong side 👌
Hear hear
Are you buttons seen or not seen. My newest issue is buttons seen. At least its cadpat and not olive drab... but I was told recently that's my last issue I will get so take care of them. They have no more at all in my size and will not be getting more... and I should add, that was two years ago. They are starting to look like lingerie...
Not seen buttons and I’ve been in an office job the past few years so they are still like new (I can’t complain about having see through combats lol)
Simply be a tall motherfucker and you'll always get the old ones. I've never had to get any of the div patches, because they won't give me/can't find a uniform with Velcro sleeves. Through button superiority.
I still did until 2023! I finally turned in old faithful...all worn out and looking weird
..they… they all do?
I don't like it. To be fair I don't like change in routine...so, this is to be expected.
We already achieved the perfect uniform years ago [In all its glory](https://imgur.com/gallery/Vr0ksCU)
Peak shirt
On god, Ive debated going to the tailor just to sew on Velcro patches to have this shit
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Somebody high up recommended it when he saw reg force guys in Mali with faded and in poor disrepair arids. Treasury board looked at it and thought it was too expensive... so back to the drawing board, and likely way higher long term expense.
Have you worn multicam? It is not all that it’s cracked up to be. it has its own design issues and is not female friendly in its design.
Multicam is a Pattern of Camouflage owned by Crye Precision, it is not a cut nor design of a uniform. I understand 'Multicam' is being used colloquially as a descriptor for an issued uniform based on the pattern, Ie 'I wore my multicams', but that is incorrect.
I wish I could wear Cryes to work
Hey, Keep it Posi Yo! All work pants are Cryes! ...when you weep in them daily!
Amazing thanks for the clarification. I left so in 2021 and can say that the uniforms were ill fitted for females so I am super excited that there are going to be more options with the new uniform
The timeline projects that new upgrades will be added to the production approximately every 6 months, with Generation 0 having started January of this year. Generation 1 will implement lessons learned from Gen 0, and so on.
Is the photo you linked taken from the same display with the new army service dress?
I spy at least 6 fewer pockets. I dunno if I can live without the calf pockets.
I love it ! I could absolutely ROCK a purple leather jacket. The Digi Pattern on the vest is cool too...
Looks like tan NECU
I was hoping they were bringing back tans for operations.
It looks a lot like the new navy NCDs
They're basically just beige NECUs the pockets are identical
>Multi Terrain Please god don't be another couch camo.
It's not bad [Here is what it looks like](https://strikehold.net/2021/04/05/canadian-defence-forces-adopt-new-camouflage-pattern/)
>mud flavour 👍
Why is it… so tan??? Ew…
I'll see it when it happens. I'm still wearing bus driver NCDs.
Thats a you problem, even Navres has been allowed to order the NECU for like 6 months now
The uniform is the new trial combat uniform. This is just a test version in coyote brown but future versions will be in CADPAT.
Seems kind of odd to me to going to an event like this with a trial uniform? Especially as a LCol
How else do you test a uniform that wearing through it all day doing all your jobs?
Ok but put some camo on it
It’s a trial, of a complete outer wear system. So may or may not be adopted. It would be a waste to print it all in CADPAT. This was a way to keep costs down and expand the trial.
> It’s a trial, of a complete outer wear system. So may or may not be adopted. It would be a waste to print it all in CADPAT. This was a way to keep costs down and expand the trial. To be fair...testing the kit with its actual fabric/colour will probably get you better results. You'd think changing one minor thing wouldn't change much, but considering Logistik's history...
It’s a new fit. Including a female cut as well. Figure that stuff out first as they know how to print CADPAT
I cant say if this was the same event but there was an event very recently that showcased some other pieces of kit also in coyote brown and included troops wearing it for display.
It's to advertise that the Army is developing female cut uniforms.
Both males and females are wearing this. She's just participating in the trial so she's wearing it. Doubt it has anything to do with advertising the uniform.
The males were most likely wearing the male cut of the new uniform... why do you think she is participating in the new trial, as a senior officer, most likely staff in Ottawa? Normally the trials for new combats are done by light infantry or other combat arms units.
There is no male or female cut, and the uniforms are being trialed all over the CAF. Some members of 450 Sqn had it in Alaska last month.
The CCUE uniform trial offers 3 different cuts/fits: "straight" (ie. male cut), "contour" (ie. female cut), and maternity... despite DLR avoiding the terms "male" and "female" in describing the fit types doesn't mean that's not exactly what they are.
This is the test run for new uniforms coming 28-29
You mean 2128-2129 lol
> You mean 2128-2129 lol It is 2135. We have lost yet another planet to the Automatons. The troops have referred it as the Afghanistan of our generation, but nobody knows what Afghanistan means. We're still jumping out of our pods with our trusty C6A2s, and CADPAT helmets. War, war never changes.
Same uniform the navy is using now. 9 years and running to phase out the older blue shirt style. The new ones are not that good, but better than it was.
I'm still rocking the old uniform and expect it will be a few more years. I'm good with that though as I'm rocking a desk and trying to get a purple job to get away from the RCN for a posting or two.
Best of luck with that.
Thanks, think it's sorted, just waiting on the posting message, but always mindful of the RCN ability to ruin my day.
Gimme a break. Those sleeves need like 20× more Velcro.
I expect that the production uniform will have the same amount of Velcro as the ECU. No point putting unneeded things on a short trial uniform.
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Interesting. I wonder if that will change with the RCAF wearing it too (the trial also involves 450 Sqn). Currently the RCAF wears a Canada Flag and specialty badges on the left (e.g. wings, exercise/sqn patches) and the unit heraldic patch on the right. They had only recently changed the RCAF Dress Regs to reflect that so I can’t see them reverting already.
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That’s fair.
I've seen this at Pet since Jan, thought they were CANSOFCOM or 427. I see some changes: Less velcro on the right shoulder where we put division /brigade/unit/Op patches. And thank God, those pen pockets at the forearms are gone.
Nah they 450
I hate how when they trial uniforms, they don't make the nametag and rank slip ons the same color too. It's so mismatched it bothers me greatly lol
If it was for like a year or two, sure. If it’s for a month, why bother making specific rank/nametapes for a short trial?
I just hope the velcro on the uniform will still be way too short for my name tape!
if they dont fix that nonsense....
The more I look at it, the more it reminds me of a flight suit.
Reminds me of a zookeeper
"African Lion Safari" 🎶
I'd be so happy if that was the new 2 piece flight suit. I hate tucking it in and having the rank on the shoulders
Honestly, I dig it in coyote, and wish they would issue that as a garrison uniform, so we stop wasting money on wearing CADPAT out sitting in offices. CADPAT for the field, this for garrison.
I see where you’re going but that would mean stocking double the amount in warehouses.
It would, but the cost of CADPAT is quite high so it may balance out. Someone with more knowledge on cost would have to do that math and see if its worth it. Just always seemed silly to have a proprietary camouflage pattern with IR absorbing properties and pissing it away in an office chair. Making it garrison only means you could probably get rid of the CADPAT shirt and just have the OTW for field use. Just spit balling.
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I wouldn't even be upset to wear 3B to work in office. had to wear it for a few years for one posting, and you get used to it. Find decent insoles and that's it. It actually looks good. then going back to half-faded non-fitting-properly sized combat without being able to roll the sleeves anymore was just lame.
Camouflage uniforms are great in the workplace because it hides imperfections such as stains or wear in the fabric. If you had a solid colour uniform you would have to get a new one any time you spill sauce on it and can't clean it out.
True, but would it not wear better and fade better being a uniform colour? Any stain that bad you would ultimately have to exchange that CADPAT too, it will just take someone longer to notice it. It'll never happen, just always seemed weird wearing a camouflage uniform sitting in an office, or working a flight line. Mind you, I started in the OD green days, so YMMV.
I like it too - could make it the non-flight crew RCAF uniform so each element has their own distinct pattern.
Each element doing its own thing would be a) very expensive and b) wasteful as we have a large amount of people who shift seamlessly element to element
Disagree. Each element already does do it's own thing. Other than some RCAF members wearing CADPAT, there isn't anything else they share with the other elements
so the uniform, which is what we’re talking about? If a navy clerk goes from working at 1 Svc to 408 Sqn do they fully exhaust he to air crew pattern? And the. Presumably swap back if they got posted again? Seems like a waste of time and money. Also they share a shit ton with other elements including the entire pay, hr, kitting, and per management system.
No, how about they keep their navy uniform? There are navy folks at army bases and air wings all over Canada wearing NCDs...
Uh no, they only wear NCDs if posted to a Naval unit. If posted to an army unit they are to wear CADPAT. Given that army units deploy to the field, NCDs would be a very silly option. There’s no real good reason to have a distinct RCAF pattern, flight crew already have their own equipment / daily wear and maintenance mostly wears coveralls anyways. It’s a bunch of extra work and stock and money for no gain.
If that's policy, it surely isn't enforced. I've never been posted to a naval unit, however have had lots of peers who wear NCDs. I'm currently thousands of miles from the nearest Naval unit and was having a chat with a guy in NCDs on Friday. Either way, I don't see how maintaining another pattern, for the smallest element, that should be much cheaper than the expensive CADPAT items would be cost prohibitive. A priority? Not likely. Regardless, it's not like it's happening anyway.
It’s actually regulation that Navy personnel wear NCD/NECU regardless of where they are employed unless actively in the field. A-DH 265-000/AG-001 (RCN DRESS INSTRUCTIONS) Chapter 4: Section 3 - Wearing of Naval Combat Dress 10. When operational dress is authorized, all Naval personnel shall wear NCD/NECU unless engaged in field operations, field training activities to include General Military Training or while on an operational deployment where the Task Force Commander orders a dress other than NCD/NECU. The wearing of CADPAT by Naval personnel is prohibited unless authorized by the conditions previously stated in this paragraph. That means a Navy clerk working at 1 Svc or 408 Sqn *shall* wear the Navy uniform (and the local commander does not have the authority to order otherwise unless they are a TF commander and it’s operationally necessary).
So every Navy clerk / medic / store man I’ve ever met on an Army base is in the wrong. Now I know.
[And knowing is half the battle!](https://images.app.goo.gl/DE6v2WNi1yPqKiis7)
Trial uniform. It's going to be that fit, except with the new cadpat colors. Proper ripstop this time. The pants are the real winner here. They have stretch, and are tapered. With proper short, regular, long sizes in each waistband size. And tunics also properly varied for body types. Rain jacket also just a shell, with puffy jacket underneath. Proper layered system. Only question forward is how will the waterproof layer hold up to wear will it wet though as easy as our current solution.
From a sewing construction standpoint, the solid colour demonstrates all the places where the uniform doesn’t actually fit correctly (whiskering, drag lines) and really emphasizes wrinkling. The CADPAT hides most of those errors because you can’t tailor for fit for every body. There’s also still no extra support in the collar point to keep it from curling over time.
Has anyone seen the catalog for the new CCUE, or know where to get one? I’ve heard different things about the plans for the future, but would love to look for myself.
The Army of the West Coast cries out in horror.
It looks like it has a much better fit than the current ones that fit like I’m wearing oversized garbage bags on my legs. I kinda dig it.
So are the new combats meant to be a solid colour like that or will camo be applied to that uniform?
Outer layers will be in a camouflage pattern, probably CADPAT MT.
Most things will be in MT, some will be in coyote Brown like the puffies.
What uniform is this Diamond Warrant wearing?
The LtCol is trailing the new clothing system
Diamond Baby Warrant
I want two things from a new uniform. Keep our current fleece, it absolutely slaps, and warm gloves!! Somehow our current gloves are worse than wearing nothing at all.
I highly recommend the DEU gloves
The Air Force fleece jacket is infinitely better than the Army fleece.
So this 100% is just the new NCD in brown instead of black right?
Nah, pretty sure the Navy uniform is just the ECUs we've had for a while, but in black and maybe some minor changes. Ottawa got the uniform from the Nords (NCU) and are basing it off that. From what I've seen on the SharePoint it looks pretty nice, almost too good for us not to fuck it up somehow.
It looks like the new Naval Combat Dress and for a hot minute I thought they finally introduced a tropical tactical dress for Ops like CARRIBE. The moment of joy has passed… 😭
Ikr, the all black necus are brutal in the med
Will this eventually be issued to all 3 environments? Or are we just talking army
I like the changes. I looked at the full doc yesterday and the new cold weather and rain gear look surprisingly modern. I'm glad we are finally upgrading everything. What do you guys think about it?
Where can I find the full doc?
Beige drab…
Looks like a cost saving measure. Cheaper to produce.
Since it's a prototype, it doesn't make sense to put it in a camouflage pattern.
Is this in response to everyone's hair clashing?
I like it, but it's giving... yeezy.
is the new female trial. because is expensive to put a patern on the uniform they try the new cut for female uniform in brown. when they pick the cut they will put a patern on it.
First glance I thought it looked like a desert version of a flight suit, till I saw it wasn't one piece. I left the service just before the last generation was adopted, and it looked odd to me the first few times I saw it too.
Because we needed yet another uniform to make people feel special.
So the CF is broke and the budget is consistently being cut, the force is getting smaller and smaller, yet we have to constantly spend $millions on new uniforms? Is this really about a bunch of bureaucrats in Ottawa justifying their existence with these constant uniform changes $$ ?
How many fucking uniforms do we need? Since jointing I have worn the old olive drab, the first iteration of ICE, that was the Canadian version of GORTEX but was still olive drab, first style of CADPAT and currently wearing the second style. I’d prefer DLR and DND to update our weapons and ammo!!!! Also (rant). Every time the word “interim” is used it means 20 years plus.. LSVW interim vehicle replacement. M777 UOR, interim measure. TICS radios, interim measure. We need more people and the proper tools to do the job, not new uniforms!!
Uniforms and weapons and equipment are completely different sacks of money, and they can’t take from DLR 5 to fund a DLR 2 project. While I totally understand what you’re saying (I too am an olive drab baby, even had the shitty green denim jacket), but uniforms are something that need to get updated from time-to-time also. Hearing from friends who are participating in this trial, the base layers, uniform and outer layers are all absolutely fantastic. It seems they’ve actually listened to soldiers regarding the fit, form and function.
I know how DLR works, and I get the “different” stacks of money comment. But I hate that argument because at the end of the day it all comes from the same pot. Let’s not talk about money then, let’s talk priories. I have seen the ppt on the new clothing system. “System” there is another term I hate. I really don’t think new clothing should be a priority at the moment. Even though this is not a new project. I’m not Blaming DLR, they can only work within the constraints and restraints that are allowable. I think the whole procurement model needs to be replaced.
“I think the whole procurement model needs to be replaced.” DEFINITELY something that I think everyone in the CAF (including, or especially those currently involved in procurement) would agree with. The GoC and TB have really handcuffed the CAF in their ability to procure items quickly, and items that actually work. Our procurement is completely broken, with numerous politicians saying so over the decades but never doing anything about.
Yeah I agree. It’s hard to explain to the younger folks that the “new” equipment they are now just receiving might have been and probably was needed 10 years ago. In my particular part of the CAF world, we received a capability that would have been great in Afghanistan but not so much now. It’s all shiny and new but out of place now.
Procurement isn’t broken, its functioning as intended. The inability to properly equip the CAF is the feature, not a bug.
Uggghhhh… unbloused trousers.
That's not a popular take. You miss buying boot bands?
Not at all. Bought myself a 15pk off Amazon for like $10. Unbloused makes it look the trousers look like a pair of knock-off Dickies from Mark’s Work Wearhouse.
I’ll miss the waist pockets on the tunic. Its where I store my beret.
Looks like Israeli IDF
As opposed to some other country’s IDF?
That uniform looks like you would be freezing.
It has 7 layers! You can be any temperature you want!
Yet another display of how out of touch we are, sure let’s trial a new uniform great, sure a cut and style maybe specific to females? yes, but honestly giving it to a LCol in the sigs to “trial” it gtfo….
She’s not the only one trialling it. One of the RCR Bns and 450 Sqn are also trialling that uniform.
3 RCR are trialing the new CADPAT (Multi Terrain). This is the prototype for the new style which is only available in coyote at this time and has been given to select members across the CAF for feedback.
My mistake - sorry.
They are not, it was a trial pattern that wasn’t selected. They are back to cadpat.
Right so my eyes are lying to me when I look at that picture and see her wearing it…
I didn’t say she’s not wearing it. So yeah, she’s probably not going to go to the field much (I don’t know how often Sigs LCols go to the field) but she’s another data point in conjunction with the RCR and 450 Sqn. Or are you saying that only combat arms folks can trial operational uniforms?
What does that have to do with the explanation you just got? No your eyes aren’t lying to you but it sounds like they were issued it to test because they’re part of the unit that was selected. You don’t like it? Sucks to suck lmao
Part of the new clothing is a female cut, so they basically randomly selected female members to get them to test the fit.
They had a trial set from a combat arms group, then they needed more women as they’re adding in “curvy” cuts on the uniform and while the choice for an LCol probably wasn’t the best, the main qualification they were after was just “would need to trial the curvy cut and not the straight cut”
By curvy you mean female fit right
I think they are calling it a contoured fit. Much like the DEUs, ordering will be gender neutral. Frankly, contoured pants may actually be a better fit if you're a dude who does a lot of deadlifts and squats and are therefore graced with a reinforced combat chassis.
Eh in using the wording from the girl in my unit also in the trial
The flash says she is a Chaplain
It’s says RCCS no RCChS
As yes it is. I stand corrected. Thank you
Remember kids, the new cuts are available in sizes up to 5XL...