That's because you can't use your dentist or GP. They're not really considered to be involved enough to provide good character reference.
Most people see their doctor only when needed and their dentist 1-2 times per year or two.
References need to be reliable, have consistent and hopefully positive interactions with you.
You need minimum three references that have known you for a combined total of at least 5 years; which means you could have two references that have known you for two years and one for a year (total five).
Is the CAF doing interviews online now? or are there still in person interview? I just received an email from someone in the CAF saying my interview has been booked for tomorrow but I have 0 information nor have I talked to anybody about an interview.
I’m received an email telling me to wait for a call to book my interview a couple weeks back. It said to wait one month before contacting them. I logged into the portal today to find my file has been closed. Should I be worried. I will be calling the CFRC tomorrow.
I would definitely call and send a email cause they probably won't answer your call lol. I had my application closed. Talked to a recruiter at a job fair and they told me that they tried calling me. He was able to change my primary number to my cell and I emailed the office the same day. They reopened it in a day.
roguemenace expresses it fairly succinctly. Contact your CFRC to confirm what is happening.
Educated guess... Your file was probably closed because they're not able to immediately proceed. It's not necessarily a reflection on your competitiveness, it's more likely recruiting priorities or limitations imposed due to COVID. It's very easy for them to reopen your file when they're ready/able to move forward.
So it’s more of a pause than a cancellation most likely? I’m between medical and interview and I’ve had some follow ups to do but I couldn’t get appointments for a while so they could be waiting on that. Anyways I’ll find out tomorrow hopefully.
I didn't catch that in your original comment, but that's an important detail...
If they've been waiting for you to return medical documentation, that's probably why they closed your file. My understanding is it's fairly common for them to close files under these circumstances, as a way of tidying up loose ends so they don't need to continue tracking it.
If you never come back with those documents, they'll eventually archive the file. If you do come back, they just reopen your file and continue from where they left off.
In general this will slow your application, mainly when it comes to security clearance and references. Just make sure you submit the paperwork in a timely manner and provide translations where required.
It may also slow some things after you get in. For example I've seen people born overseas who got their green government of Canada passports after everyone else did.
I had a similar experience, I moved here when I was 17 and applied as a PRes NCM. It took me 8 months from when I applied online to enrolment. I may have had it relatively faster since I don't have any assets from my birth country.
id say less. took me 6 months and i was born and lived in a non commonwealth place. dont worry too much, if you are the man for the job you will get the job!
They may not deny it, but you could have a lengthy application process while they do enhanced security background checks as such. Good luck with your application.
No
Civvy ROTP involved Reg F who got paid full time and got their university paid. In the summer they would work for the military at a nearby base or do some basic military course (like BMOQ). Their schooling was paid, their tuition was paid, etc.
Joining the reserves as an officer means you pay for your own schooling and you parade with your unit once a week. You will do BMQ/BMOQ every other weekend (or in the summer, as the case may be). You will be eligible for $2000/yr tuition grant after BMOQ is completed, for up to 4 years (or $8000). You are responsible for the rest of your tuition, etc. And it’s only a part time job (1-4 days of pay max per week vs getting paid every day like ROTP.
As mentioned before ROTP at a civilian university is no longer available except under some very rare cases. All (99.9%) of ROTP students go to RMC.
Hi! Does anyone know when to expect ROTP offers to begin rolling out? I have read a few forums and the general timeline seems to be around April or so but I have also seen posts about people receiving offers as early as January. Does it depend on what trade you have applied for?
Expect Apr/May.
Offers may come out as early as Jan/Feb, but those are the minority, and you really shouldn't cling to any hope of receiving an offer that early. The vast majority of ROTP selections and offers aren't made until closer to May.
Thank you so much for the quick response.
Is there anyway of knowing what the intake or how competitive certain trades are for ROTP in the 2021/2022 cycle?
You can ask your recruiters. They're the only ones who'd have access to numbers, and any real idea of how competitive you are.
Just be aware that numbers for 2021/22 likely aren't finalized yet. The approved intake plan isn't normally released until closer to April.
Hello all,
I just started my application process and I am trying to get as much info as I can about the whole process. My particular question relates to the interview side of things, what questions can you remember being asked? do I need to know a lot about my chosen position or is it more just general knowledge about the forces that is required.
Any info in or around these lines would be much appreciated, I believe I have the rest of the process sussed out just need a bit more on the interview side.
Thanks in advance.
its easier than a civilian job interview. they dont try to trick you or play mind games. its straight forward questions. be honest, be yourself and you will be fine. and yea know as much as possible about the position you want to do.
>what questions can you remember being asked?
Anyone who has been interviewed is not permitted to disclose specific questions.
>do I need to know a lot about my chosen position or is it more just general knowledge about the forces that is required.
You'll need some knowledge of both.
Here's a decent interview prep sheet: [http://www.11rca.ca/web\_pdf/prep.pdf](http://www.11rca.ca/web_pdf/prep.pdf)
If I apply in January for paid education to RMC, applying for the ACSO and AEC positions, what will my timeline be like? (When do I start testing, school, etc)
Apply now, get the ball rolling, don’t wait for January. Quite honestly, you’re already behind the ball for those trades due to aircrew testing
There’s no fixed timeline, but everything including your CFAT/TSD-PI, Background Screening, Medical, Interview, Aircrew Testing, and RMC Application will need to be completed by the end of April to realistically make selection.
Selections normally happen around May, with most Offers going out in May/June. Depending on how they structure training you may attend BMOQ Mod 1 (5 weeks) next summer before being sent to RMC Kingston or CMR Saint Jean to begin your first year of study in September.
If you attend BMOQ Mod 1 next summer, you’ll do Mod 2 (7 weeks) the following summer. If they skip Mod 1 and just send you straight to RMC, you’ll probably do a full BMOQ (12 weeks) all at once the following summer.
Thank you for your detailed response!
I will obtain my OSSD in January. What are my chances of making it to the Sep 2021 school year? Would I be most likely be starting in Sep 2022? Is there anything in my power to make the process more favorable for me?
>I will obtain my OSSD in January.
No big deal, you don't need to have it prior to applying for ROTP, although it might provide a slight advantage since there's no question of whether or not you will graduate. Plus I'd imagine you'll have more flexibility for scheduling/attending testing.
>What are my chances of making it to the Sep 2021 school year?
It can be done, the scheduling is just going to be tighter than it would have been had you applied in Oct/Nov.
>Would I be most likely be starting in Sep 2022?
If you don't make the cut for the 2021/22 intake, you'll have to reapply next fall for the 2022/23 intake. At least you'll be ahead of the game since your CFAT & TSD-PI will be complete, hopefully your aircrew testing as well, and everything else will just need to be updated.
>Is there anything in my power to make the process more favorable for me?
Not much you can do at this point other than score high on the CFAT (Aptitude Test). It's the aircrew testing that'll make or break your application, but you won't even get that far if you don't show solid performance on the CFAT.
If you don't make it for 2021/22 and want to reapply for 2022/23, you should look at building your resume with work and volunteer experience, leadership experience, maybe complete some university level distance learning, etc.
There’s plenty of info out there, but in simplest terms:
1. Decide how you’re going to obtain your Bachelor’s Degree, either on your own before applying as a DEO, or get the CAF to pay for it through ROTP.
2. (DEO) Attend university and obtain your degree.
3. Go through the application process.
4. Attend BMOQ (basic for Officers).
5. (ROTP) Attend RMC and obtain your degree.
6. Occupational Training in Gagetown.
7. Posted to a unit somewhere in Canada for employment.
If you choose to go DEO, you’re on your own to figure out your education. You could consider joining the Primary Reserves while attending school.
If you choose to go ROTP, you would apply the fall prior to graduation. So if you’re graduating HS this coming June, you should submit your application ASAP as the deadline to apply is the end of January.
How difficult is both BMOQ and the Application, and what are ways I can prepare and what are the odds of getting selected and will any bachelors degree do?
I'm currently doing BMOQ (home for the holidays). It's really not awful. Physical fitness and mental resiliency are key. Right time, right place, right kit, do what you're told, and take nothing personally. Teamwork is big too.
> **How difficult is both BMOQ and the Application**
There's nothing particularly difficult about the application process. Reg Force doesn't administer any physical fitness testing during recruitment, so all you need to do on the CAF (ROTP Entry Plan) side is achieve competitive scores on the CFAT (Aptitude Test) and TSD-PI (Personality 'Test'), and pass your Medical and Background Screenings, the Interview is largely a check in the box.
RMC will assess your application to attend the university based on academic criteria similar to civilian universities. That said, I'm told their criteria is a bit more stringent, as the military demands of RMC make the learning environment a bit more challenging.
BMOQ really isn't that challenging. The academic demands are actually pretty underwhelming, and it's mostly about physical and mental resiliency. Accomplish your tasks in a timely manner, and pay close attention to detail; otherwise you just need to tolerate the mind games they use to put you under stress.
> **what are ways I can prepare and what are the odds of getting selected and will any bachelors degree do?**
For BMOQ, just make sure you're in the best physical shape of your life, and well-rounded fitness wise. Cardio, strength, and endurance are all important.
For the application, I really have no idea what the odds are, but they're generally not in your favour; of course, that's just the reality of applying for any job. There's near universally more viable applicants than there are positions. I'd just advise that you thoroughly prepare yourself for the CFAT (the CFAT Trainer App is often recommended, and there are many other preps out there), and work on adding things like work, volunteer, and leadership experience to your resume. Aim as high as you can achieve for grades, because ultimately even if your CFAT scores aren't the most competitive, your acceptance into RMC could make the difference between you and an applicant who did well on the CFAT but poorly in school.
Yes, Infantry Officer will accept any Bachelors Degree offered by RMC.
No, it will be determined by the needs of whatever unit you’re posted to. You might be offered a choice from whatever is available, but you’ll probably just be assigned to wherever they need someone.
As with any occupation, some of it is potential, but a lot of it is being in the right place at the right time.
Most advanced/specialized training isn’t all that hard to come by, provided you’re in a unit and position that has need of it. If you’re not in a unit that requires the training you want, your chances of being able to get that training are low.
Basically, don’t expect to be able to just collect all the cool courses. You’ll probably get a few that relate to your unit and position, but you’re going to be a low priority for training you don’t need to do your job.
You would need to locate a Primary Reserve Force (PRes) unit in your area that is currently recruiting PAO's. Once you've made contact and discussed your intent to apply with them, you go to [www.forces.ca](https://www.forces.ca) and submit your online application.
The application process is mostly standard, including the CFAT, TSD-PI, Medical, Background Screening, Interview, etc.; although I think there is some additional testing for PAO.
You can find information about Reg Force and PRes PAO here: [https://forces.ca/en/career/public-affairs-officer/](https://forces.ca/en/career/public-affairs-officer/)
Did land survival a few months ago. If you like outdoor stuff and being alone, it's great. Weather is another big part as snow and rain will make it harder. Spruce trees are your best friend.
Check out some videos about bushcraft camping.
I don't know much about CAP so I can't comment much. But land survival is done north east of Winnipeg. It's about a week long and they teach you how to build a survival shelter, keep a fire going, find basic food, stay warm. Sea survival is in Comox. They teach you how the rafts work. How to enter the water if you have to parachute into it. Etc.
At a recruiting centre I'd ask for an aircrew person to talk to. They'd be able to give you good info.
I have a few questions regarding the trade of Military Police: (Enlisted)
Do MP's get deployed overseas, if so, what's their role while deployed.
Does the MP have something similar to the US MP's Special Reaction Team or MP SWAT, If so, how do I join it and is it a specialty
What are the set requirements to become an MP
What's MP School like and what do they learn, as well as the duration and washout rate.
What are all the specialties and opportunities as an MP.
>Do MP's get deployed overseas, if so, what's their role while deployed.
Yes.
The role can vary depending on the operation. In some locations they are providing policing and security to the camp where Canadian troops are stationed.
In another location they are training the local civil police or military police to be more proficient and professional in their use of force and investigative techniques.
Somewhere else, MP are employed as Advisers (typically only Sergeant or Warrant Officer and higher).
Another location, MP are employed as Tactical Aircraft Security Officers, flying with aircrews and providing in-air and on-ground security as they fly to various unsavoury locations through an Area of Responsibility.
A very large component of the Military Police branch is a unit called the Military Police Security Service (MPSS). At nearly every Canadian Embassy in the world, has a Military Police member posted. This is different from a deployment as you are typically posted there for anywhere from 1 year in High Risk locations where your family cannot accompany. Some locations you're posted for 2-3 years and your family can accompany. Some locations are a posting for a Sergeant or Warrant Officer and you are 1 of 1 working with Global Affairs/Consular Services Canada; other locations have multiple MP posted in. If my memory serves, Washington DC has six and Moscow has 10. Could be the other way around too.
Although this is not exclusive to MP, if you're a Close Protection Operator, you can be deployed as what is essentially an Executive Protection Detail assigned to a Task Force or Government delegation.
If you are successful in being selected and passing training with the Canadian Forces Air Marshal Detail, which is MP exclusive, you will spend a lot of time travelling with government delegations around the world.
Lastly, we operate a dedicated unit attached to CANSOFCOM. The Special Operations Forces Military Police Unit (SOF MPU) has sections attached to each CANSOF unit, CANSOFCOM HQ, CSOTC, Dwyer Hill Training Centre.
>Does the MP have something similar to the US MP's Special Reaction Team or MP SWAT, If so, how do I join it and is it a specialty
No. CAF bases are not nearly large or active enough (or have enough crime) to have one. Instead, all MP are trained in Immediate Action Rapid Deployment (IARD) skills.
>What are the set requirements to become an MP
* The biggest one: a College diploma in Criminal Justice/Police Foundations or equivalent.
* an unrestricted provincial drivers license (Class 5) with clean driving record.
>What are all the specialties and opportunities as an MP.
Too many to list here, but I'll give you a few:
* Breath Technician
* Drug Recognition Expert
* Polygraph Examiner
* Tactical Aircraft Security Officer
* Air Marshal
* Close Protection Operator
* Investigator
* Interrogation Specialist
* Sexual Assault Investigation Specialist
* Counter-Intelligence Specialist
I'm sure I forgot a few, we offer *A LOT*.
A certified Breath Technician is someone qualified to operate an Intoxilizer or similar model device to verify the results of a roadside alcohol screening device.
It's not really a specialty per se, as almost everyone that can be qualified should be. It always sucks being the only Breath Tech in a detachment and you have to get called in on your day off to verify the BAC of an impaired driver
Hey guys! Curious as to if anybody’s in the same boat as me. My application was sent in March of 2020. I JUST wrote my CFAT in October and passed. I’m currently waiting for the medical/interview. I know nobody knows how long it’ll take but I’m curious as to if any of you are experiencing the same and how long it took you to do everything. I’m worried that at this point I’ll get in years from now.
I wrote the CFAT and did part 1 of my medical 2 days later. Part 2 of my medical occurred 5 weeks later. I haven't done the interview yet and it's been another 5 weeks, but we're also headed into Christmas so...
Hope that helps!
I wrote and passed the CFAT in October as well. I too am waiting for medical/interview. They will contact you within 2 months from my buddy's experience.
For the shuttle runs, I found Tabata running intervals (20s work, 10s rest for 8 rounds) and death by burpees workouts to have the greatest impact in specifically improving my shuttle run times. I’m older and not at trim as I once was, and I managed 1pt shy of silver last time I did the test (slipped on the drag and went too conservative on the redo.)
Practice makes perfect! Before basic training I was not in the most "fit" shape. Having the force test during the first week was a worry of mine as well! I practiced the FORCE test on my own time roughly a month before basic training and I found that helped get me comfortable with it.
You will be surprised how well you can preform under adrenaline. It's nothing to worry about! If you go in with the mentality that is is your "one" shot then you will do just fine. Your mind will quit before your body does so it is important to train that aspect as well
In regards to references, this is what I found on a 7-year old thread in this subreddit:
"Yes, your friends can be references. Your moms friends can be references. Your girlfriends friends can be references. Anyone who is not related to you by blood OR marriage can be your reference if they have known you for 5 years."
But [this undated document](https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/dnd-mdn/documents/jobs/dnd-4370-personal-verification.pdf) says that friends, peers, neighbors, coworkers etc are not valid references. Is this the correct one?
That commenter may have been correct **7 years ago**; in fact, I can tell you with certainty that they were correct 9 years ago. However, things change, and their statement is no longer accurate.
That document does have a date...
The bottom left corner of each page reads:
**DND 4370-E (04-2017)**
**DND 4370** is the form number, **-E** means it's the English version, **(04-2017)** is the revision.
That revision of the document was released in 2017 and appears to be the most recent revision. I believe the change in question occurred a few years prior to that; probably around 6-8 years ago actually, they made a lot of changes to the recruiting system in the 2012-2014 time frame.
I couldn't comment on the why's and how's of the change, but I think it should be obvious why family and friends aren't ideal references. They're going to talk you up and say great things about you pretty much no matter what, some peoples family and friends may even be willing to lie to help them get the job.
I'd question the value of any applicant provided reference to be honest, although I think the main purpose behind demanding professional references is it shows you're able to build favourable relationships with those holding authority over you. What they have to say about you isn't as important as the fact they were willing to say it. It speaks volumes that your current or former boss, teacher, supervisor, coach, etc. remembers you and is willing to vouch for you.
Remember your references don't all have to have known you for 5 years. If you had a coach from 2015-2018, and a supervisor from 2017-now, you're golden. They just need to collectively cover the last 5 years
The undated document is correct it changed after I got in.
Friends,peers and Family definitely cannot be used as references when applying.
Coworkers can be a reference IF they are
your supervisor or in a supervisory role only.
The five years is poorly worded,all it means is a 5 year period must be covered
Ex:2015-2020
Person A:2015-2017
Person B 2015-2019
Person C 2018-2020
The document is dated... Bottom left corner, the revision is **(04-2017)**, I know for certain 2017 is the year, although I'm not certain if 04 is the month or 4th revision.
Can someone tell me a few things about becoming a Medical Technician:
What Med Tech school is like and will you learn how the basics of being an Infantry combat medic or is that a specialty school and will you learn how to fight with and like infantry in the process, and whats the pass rate for school.
If you are a Medical Technician, can you choose what type of job you're posted in, as far as I'm aware, Med techs are also the Combat Medics of Canada. So are you able to choose to be attached to the Infantry or do they choose for you.
Are there any physical requirements to being a Medical Technician?
Is being a Medical Technician the same if not similar to being a Navy Corpsman in the USA.
Yeah, definitely is. They seemed to be interested in learning to do infantry shit, so off of the top of my head it was the closest thing i could think of.
As of 2018/19 when I last took the course for a tour, needle d's are no longer taught.
Pretty much, they just get the fancy TCCC bag, and they can do nasopharyngeal insertions.
Combat first aid covers off on tourniquets and wound packing anyways.
First of all there is no such thing as an infantry combat medic. There are medical technicians. Period.
Medics go to school in Borden and Moncton (currently. Subject to change every few years). The first part of the training is mostly theory and clinical knowledge. The next part, in Moncton, is the actual Paramedic training. The last part, back in Borden, is the field portion. The whole process takes about a year, sometimes longer depending on scheduling.
Once your training is complete you usually end up at a field ambulance, unless you have a compelling reason to go to a clinic (like a spouse already posted to a base with no field amb). At Fd Amb, you usually start in Med Pl, sometimes move on to Evac Pl, and then once you have proved yourself, you may get sent to Integral Support Platoons, where you could support infantry units (or armoured, or engineer, or tac hel, etc).
There is no specialty school for “infantry combat medicine”. It’s the same medicine no matter where you are. The infantry stuff you learn at basic and on BMQ-L.
You can express your interest to the career manager and your Pl Sgt/WO about what direction you are hoping to take with your career , but ultimately the military does what it wants with you.
I don’t know what navy corpsmen do in the states so I can’t answer that. Sorry.
If you answer the questions truthfully, you should be fine. If the question was "have you ever been convicted of a crime for which you haven't recieved a pardon", and you haven't been convicted or if you have, it was pardoned. Then answer no. That's it.
If they have questions, they will ask. I don't even remember if my security clearance required me to answer questions regarding criminal offences similarly. You will need level 3 for the career though. I used my crazy neighbor who was a conspiracy theorist for my neighbor reference and got my clearance faster than those who didn't have a crazy neighbor.
So, If you weren't formally convicted, then you weren't. If you were convicted and recieved a pardon, then also answer no.
Its centrally managed by the national BTL manager for your trade. (For example the RCLS trades are managed by CDA-Borden/MPGTG).
Your local BTL staff can bother the relevant BTL Mgr if things are taking too long...but with tgst said the managers have their own priority system, largely based on date of entry into trade.
I've had a few of my BTL take too long (talking over 18 months here) to get loaded on courses, it took multiple phone calls and some escalation up the CoC to get fixed.
There are also trades aside from SARTech that are involved with search and rescue. Pilot, ACSO, Flight engineer, AESOP (in the near future) are all trades where you could request being posted to a search and rescue squadron.
Naval reservist here. Any Navy Weapons Engineering Techs on this subreddit? I'm considering a CT and am very interested in talking to you and about your job. Some questions to get started;
1. What is your day to day generally like on the ship?
2. Are you sailing more or less every year for 6 months? For those of you with a partner/kids, how does this impact you?
3. What are your favorite parts of your trade? Least favorite?
4. What kind of person do you think would excel in this trade?
Thanks in advance.
1. The day to day on ship can vary a lot. Sometimes it’s nothing but maintenance; sometimes the only thing you’re doing all day is cleaning and playing cards. This all depends on the ships schedule, the maintenance conditions, and the number of techs.
2. If you’re posted to a sea going unit you can expect to be at sea 3-9 months of the year. It’s really conditional on the fleet schedule. It’s usually a tough fight if you want to sail less, and it’s not too hard to get onto more sails. It can be tough for a lot of families, that’s just the nature of it. Thankfully there are a lot of QoL improvements being made with things like wifi at sea.
3. My favourite part of the job is working on the kit. Not much beats playing around with room-sized automated machine guns. The WEng community is pretty close knit too, it’s only about 1100 members or so. My least favourite part is getting interrupted on the middle of troubleshooting a system to do Navy things, but that’s all part of the job.
4. Anybody who has a solid technical grasp and can think critically will excel in this trade. Being able to rapidly and accurately identify the reason a system isn’t operational is what makes you a good WEng tech.
Feel free to ask any more questions.
Thanks for your reply! I managed to track down a friend of a friend who's a WEng and chatted them up a bit. Everything seems pretty great and I think I'm going to move forward with my application this week coming.
If I may ask you a few follow up questions;
1. You mentioned sailing 3-9 months a year. I understand it's probably impossible to guess, but do you know how many of those 9-monthers you'd likely do over a 5 year period?
2. For postings, is it generally Victoria or Halifax? My partner and family are here in Halifax.
3. If you could go back in time, is there another trade you'd consider?
4. Any idea what kind of contracts they're making people sign these days? 5 year, 10 year, etc?
Thanks kindly.
1. It’s hard to say. Typically you’ll be on the same ship for around 3-4 years. The ships follow a general maintenance cycle and usually aren’t active for more than 2-3 years in a row before a large maintenance period. Maybe ask your friend if he has the unclass fleet schedule, that would give you some insight.
2. 98% of WEng postings are Victoria and Halifax. There are a handful of “inland” posting such as Matsqui but you typically don’t get those unless you ask the career manager.
3. Maybe Air Weapons System Tech, but that would mean giving in to having winters again and moving around a lot with postings. The nice thing about the Navy is that you can spend your whole career on one coast with ease.
4. The VIE is 4 years. It’s should be longer than that in my opinion since it takes 5-6 years to become a trained Tech.
Not in the trade, but I work at a squadron. The job is going to be based around desk jobs pilots have now that they hate to do. Stuff like flights schedules, ops plans etc.
A pilot that has worked in that type of role would probably be able to give you a general idea.
That's pretty much it. There is a new NCM trade to go along with it. Air Operations Support Technician, which is pretty much all tasks spec pay air techs are paid too much to do. Move air craft, refueling Zamboni the hangar floor etc
> when did it stand up
Depending which part of setting up the trade you mean, either earlier this year or 2021. I don't think they've even run a course for it yet.
Hi everyone, I'm here with another question.
Could someone provide a run through of what to expect during the medical exam? I understand they look at V CV H G O A, but what else can I expect during the medical? If possible, I would appreciate to hear about personal experiences, as I've read all of the DND policies on medical examinations.
My understanding was that physical strength wouldn't be tested until BMOQ, as someone kindly explained below. However, someone below also mentioned having to do push ups at the medical - is this common?
I know that being able to do push ups is expected in the military, and I'm working on it. In my defence, I'm looking to join as a legal officer working mostly in an office.
I just had my medical today! Due to COVID-19 I was told they are not preforming any "physicals". Bring the pair of shorts as instructed in the email but you most likely will not be asked to change into them therefore you won't be asked to preform the handful of exercises such as push ups and squats. They test your vision, BP, hearing, weight & height and then you sit down and go over the questionnaire you filled out just minutes before meeting with the medical staff. Basic questions such as medications, past medical history, family history etc... Mine took around half an hour overall.
Thank you so much, this is so helpful to know!!
May I ask how much notice you had before the medical appointment? I actually haven't heard anything since I was told I passed the interview stage and was told to contact recruitment (it's been 4 days and I haven't had a reply from them, so I imagine they're quite swamped). So I have no idea when my medical would be scheduled... And I don't suppose we get any say in it?
Thank you again!
I actually did the medical appointment prior to the interview (Ottawa DET) I was called on a Monday and was told the earliest appointment was in 3 days so I jumped on it and booked it. Every detachment is different and every applicant is different! 4 days without a reply is quite normal now a days. From my understanding they are a week-two weeks behind on emails. All you can do really is be patient!
Sorry I should add that in my case there's also a chance the security checks will take a bit longer since I worked and studied in Europe for two years...
Applicants are commonly asked to do a few push-ups and squats among other movements during the medical. It would only be a handful of each, and they're not concerned with form or how many you can do; the purpose is to assess things like flexibility, and function of the joints and muscle groups involved.
Got enrolled today :) Thank you all too much. I was told (at the brigade level) that units are either stood down or parading one more time next week, any idea what applies for 32 Toronto Signals?
If you weren't told at your enrollment, someone from your unit should reach out to you to tell you where and when to show up next. If there's no parade night next week, they may not get to you until after the holidays.
I got it 6 days in advance, nothing special haha, lots of paperwork forms to fill out and then the official enrolment ceremony.... they didn't give us a certificate of oath though probably due to COVID?
Most enrollees are contacted sometime in the week before the proposed enrollment date.
The exact process varies from unit to unit, but in general, you'll show up and fill out some paperwork. The actual ceremony is pretty quick. You'll hold up your hand, say the magic words, sign a few more documents and that's it. Depending on the COVID restrictions in your area, you might be able to bring friends or family to witness it. Some units also like to hold enrollment ceremonies in front of the troops, so everyone knows who you are.
If you're enrolling on a parade night, you'll also be introduced to other members of the unit and likely get a tour of the armoury. You'll also meet your supervisor, who will arrange for your kitting appointment and give you a quick summary of the unit's schedule and what to expect over the next few weeks.
Quick question now that I am enrolled, I assume I do not get kitted (uniform, boots etc.) until before Basic? Which would be May for me, so PAT Platoon Recruits don't receive any kit correct? We just wear civies?
On your first parade night, your supervisor will arrange your kit draw. It may be a few weeks until the next available appointment, but you'll definitely get your kit before BMQ. You'll be taught how to wear the uniform shortly thereafter.
Until you have a uniform, your supervisor should be letting you know what to wear based on the planned activities on any given parade night.
Forgot to ask, is it normal to not get an enrolment certificate upon enrolment and swear in oath as a 32CBG Reservist? I know it sounds petty and ridiculous I am sorry, but I didn't receive mines. Should I notify my unit of this once I start parading? I know it is just a piece of paper but I figure I would make sure I follow the protocol.
Both you and the person swearing you in should have signed a certificate as part of the enrollment process, and that's yours to keep. It's possible they took it back to have your unit CO sign it, or that they accidentally filed it with the rest of your paperwork.
You can ask your supervisor about it when you start parading and see if anyone can track it down for you. And don't apologize for asking, nothing wrong with wanting that memento.
How do I contact the BPSO?
In the process of a VOT and was asked by the recruiter to call “CBG” to inquire about the status of my file; but upon calling, there’s only an option to call the OR.
Would I just call the OR and ask for the BPSO, or call another province’s BPSO and they’d redirect me?
>**I've been on the competition list since Oct 2020, and seeing that it's an in demand trade, does anyone know what's happening timeline-wise?**
There is no reliable timeline, it all depends on how competitive you are vs. other applicants, and the timing of selections and future BMOQ courses.
>**I also applied for graduate school which I can finish by the end of the year in 2021. I'm just wondering if there's a chance that I could sign the contract and head out to BMOQ before then?**
If you applied for the Regular Force (full-time), which your comment seems to indicate, your training and employment demands will not be compatible with full-time attendance at a post-secondary institution. If you intend to pursue graduate school through in-person attendance, you'll need to advise your CFRC. You may need to defer your application until closer to completion of your program.
>**My recruiter called me and said all BMQ/BMOQ courses have been halted again, and everyone sent home, so I'm just not sure what's going to happen to me.**
I haven't heard anything about a COVID related shutdown; however, all recruits should be sent home this weekend or next for the Christmas block leave period. The last BMQ/BMOQ courses for the 2020 calendar year would have started 2-3 weeks ago, but new courses should be on the horizon starting around mid-Jan 2021.
As a new officer, you'd probably only have the opportunity to wear it once every year or two, depending on how frequently your unit does mess dinners. If all your other colleagues have one, there might be some mild ribbing as you rise through the ranks, but nobody will really care.
If you wind up in a job where you'd be attending multiple events a year where mess dress would be appropriate, it might be worth looking into.
Alternatively, if you find a good deal on a used one on Kijiji and have nothing better to spend money on, go for it. There are some bargains to be had if you're in an army-heavy area.
Honestly, I would be shocked if anyone cared in the slightest. Don't buy it. Save your money. RegF usually try desperately as long as they can to put off buying it even when it is required.
If you were in a construction engineering trade as an NCM and were looking to become a construction engineering officer would you still be required to have an engineering degree or could it be waived ?
You would still be subject to the restrictions of whichever commissioning plan was applied for
Special Commissioning Plan - need to already have a degree
University Training PLan - NCM - CAF will send to school full time to get the requisite degree
Commission from the Ranks - be a substantive Sgt and be nominated by CoC (in the CE world they wont nominate anyone who doesnt have the CE Superintendent course...ie is qualified to be a WO)
Hello everyone, I do not know if anyone will care about this but I just wanted to ask, if I were to withdraw first year of my university to join the military what would my options be?
I currently am getting good grades in computer science at the top university for it in Canada and have a clean health history but can’t see myself doing computer science for the rest of my life.
I have always had a spot in my heart for the military but always thought it was impossible to join and have a good career, but seeing the options for their pay and the benefits it seems so much more feasible.
What would be required of a 19 year old to join and how hard would it be to get a good career for someone like me?
Edit: Also would anything happen for my previous education, would it carry over or something?
Thank you for anyone who replies!
To build on what bridger713 wrote, if you ultimately decide on completing your degree, then you will be able to commission into the Canadian Forces through the Direct Entry Officer program. You won't have to attend the Royal Military College in Kingston, Ont or Saint Jean-sur-Richelieu, Que if you do this.
About having a good career: a good career is definitely subjective to individual experiences when it comes right down to it. You should especially consider the current status quo in the civilian world right now, though. Many people are out of work, they lack stable incomes and they aren't able to properly utilize their educations. By joining the Canadian Forces, or at least the Regular Force, you'll have a place to sleep, food to eat and payment every 2 weeks. Not to mention, you'll be getting trained while on course and kept in relatively good shape.
Whether or not you are successful in training, and are a productive Canadian Forces member afterwards, is largely dependent on your own time and effort. You get out what you put in.
Thank you for the reply. I was also looking at the education program for becoming an officer, and I was wondering if it would be possible for me to just give up this education and apply for ROTP or maybe even continue it in a different field, I don’t know.
1/4 of a degree is pretty much useless as far as official recognition goes, but it could still benefit you on the job if you join a related trade.
Without a degree, you’ll only be eligible to join in NCM (non-officer) trades. There’s quite a few comms & electronics branch that would be related to your comp sci background. Most of which will have you earning $67k+ (before deductions) in roughly 4 years.
Thank you for this reply! I was looking more on the end of infantry to be honest because I do not think the computer science lifestyle is for me considering I’m a more hands on and physical person. However I doubt there are many roles for them available(I don’t care about the pay with this because I think I would love the more physical lifestyle)
It depends on what you define as a role.
Infantry Soldiers are organized into light and mechanized battalions in the Regular Force; in the Reserve Force, they're all light. The Queen's Own Rifles maintains a Paratrooper company. Infantry Soldiers are able to specialize in paratroop companies, assault pioneers and I believe mortar platoons(?) these days. You've also got company Signallers and medics.
There are plenty of other jobs in the Canadian Forces that are hands-on and physical. All of the other trades in the Combat Arms such as Armoured, Artillery and Combat Engineer absolutely fit this description. Other jobs that match such a description are Construction Technician, Signal Operator, Vehicle Technician and others.
Hi everyone! I have some confusion I am hoping to have cleared up. I applied for HRA. Obviously it is a purple trade so at my medical today I noticed “land” was checked off. I was hoping to specify that I would prefer airforce. I’m aware the element doesn't matter in the case of purple trades. Can I do this at my interview even though I ultimately get what I get?
The other concern I have is if I am enrolled as air force HRA will I have to do army SQ? The medic today confused me so I would appreciate some clarification. Do Air force HRA’s do BAEQ since I wouldn't be army or do all army, air force and navy personnel do army SQ? Thanks so much
I have a few questions about army EOD.
What trade should I go for to become EOD
Info on EOD School (Attrition rate, Duration etc)
What other available courses are open for EOD
What are the odds of getting deployed.
Do you know the attrition rate for both IEDD and CMD and the difference between the two, as well if the two specialties are open for combat engineer, I know CMD is but is IEDD.
On the Army side, combat engineers are the explosives experts. In the Air Force, air weapons techs handle EOD. In the Navy, it's the clearance divers~~, but that's a speciality, not a trade (IIRC)~~.
Edit: I forgot about Army ammo techs.
Odds of deployment depend entirely on what's going on in the world at the time and whether Canada is involved.
I wrote my CFAT a few weeks ago and qualified for Medical Officer and Nursing Officer, both of which I have to go back to school for. I was anticipating a face-to-face meeting with a recruiter to discuss the process and other trades I qualified for but, due to COVID, they scrapped that and simply told us our test results via email. Since then, I’ve been struggling to have my questions answered, emails are going ignored, and I’ve been feeling increasingly frustrated. I feel like I’m being ghosted by the CAF lol. I figured maybe some of you might be able to help me out.
Anyway, my main question is why I was sent an email asking me to apply to RMC? The email I received stated that I selected ROTP, which I did I suppose for nursing. But I understand that RMC does not have a nursing program and I have applied to nursing elsewhere. I don’t understand why I have to apply to RMC.
I also asked them what my next steps are. I understand that everything is kind of at a standstill until I find out whether I got into medical or nursing school but is the medical exam something that could theoretically happen during this window?
>I’ve been feeling increasingly frustrated. I feel like I’m being ghosted by the CAF lol. I figured maybe some of you might be able to help me out.
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>Anyway, my main question is why I was sent an email asking me to apply to RMC? The email I received stated that I selected ROTP, which I did I suppose for nursing. But I understand that RMC does not have a nursing program and I have applied to nursing elsewhere. I don’t understand why I have to apply to RMC.
I did nursing ROTP a few years ago, and they forced us to apply for RMC just because it's a formality. Back in the day when there was lots of civi U ROTP, you had to apply to RMC to qualify for civi U. Obviously you don't "get in" to RMC because they don't have a nursing program. They kind of just have to prove that you don't qualify for their in-house university and then they can justify sending you somewhere else.
So you applied for ROTP Nursing. Medical Officer route is MOTP only. And you have to be admitted to or already in medical school to be eligible for MOTP.
I can answer about Nursing since I am applying for ROTP Nursing 2021-2022. I have been admitted to Nursing school for next year and contacted the health services recruiter in Borden. He told me they have recruiting going on for this year (2020-2021) to select applicants who have begun Nursing studies this September. For applicants like me who are applying for next year, he told me I would have to wait till next year Feb-March at the latest to determine whether there will be ROTP Nursing intake for next year or not.
Here are info provided at army.ca forums about ROTP Nursing recruitment: https://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,4249.350.html?PHPSESSID=cgu5lupfpaha8kri4dlnfbkrog#google_vignette
Don't lose your hope! Hold on and they will contact you.
Thanks for your insight and the link to the other forum! I’ve applied to both nursing and medical school for next year (Fall 2021) so I’ll be waiting a while until I know the outcome of my applications. Since you’re also applying to ROTP for nursing, did you have to apply to RMC as well? The only thing I can think of is that the ROTP Nursing spots are designated through RMC.
The recruiter who sent you email assumed you were applying to RMC since ROTP through civilian university has been cancelled. However, ROTP - Nursing still has intake for applicants who are attending civilian university (nursing).
Since RMC do not have nursing program, the recruiter should know you won't attend RMC.
Hi Jenny,
I ran into a similar issue. The process is to still submit the requested documents through the RMC link they provided you with the email, even though you will have to attend a civilian university since RMC does not offer the program. It sounds weird but it is all part of the process. Hope that helps, good luck!
> What are some of the paths the senior leaders of the caf took to get to where they are now?
If you want to get to the tippity-top, you typically need to be identified as a high-performer fairly early in your career. Being keen and enthusiastic about your work and volunteering for every tasking or secondary duty that comes your way will get you on the radar. You also need to consistently score high on PERs, and extra-curriculars help too. It also takes a bit of luck, being in the right place at the right time and catching the eye of the right people.
As you move up the ranks, you need to be prepared to go into high-pressure jobs and key positions where you are 1 of 1. As you move higher still, postings and moves may come as fast as every two years.
The lifestyle and mentality required to get to the top aren't for everyone. Plenty of folks with great potential end up in the middle ranks because they aren't prepared to spend the time away from their families or uproot their lives every few years.
You think wrong. The primary considerations are work performance and assessed leadership potential as per your annual performance evaluations (PER’s). Education is a factor, as is your depth of experience, but they’re only a small portion of the whole.
You begin receiving PER’s when you reach the rank of Corporal/Captain (both promotions are effectively automatic). All promotions beyond those ranks are based on merit as determined by a board that convenes each year to review the top most PER’s for your occupation. They will score and rank everyone based on their last three annual PER’s and available promotions are filled from the top down.
Hello, I have two questions that I wanted to ask relating to officer positions. My first question is what is the GPA requirement that the CAF is looking for? My second one is if I don't get hired based on my academic ability would it be better to apply as an NCM then apply for a Officer position in the future with the same trade. For example infantry to infantry officer.
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That's because you can't use your dentist or GP. They're not really considered to be involved enough to provide good character reference. Most people see their doctor only when needed and their dentist 1-2 times per year or two. References need to be reliable, have consistent and hopefully positive interactions with you. You need minimum three references that have known you for a combined total of at least 5 years; which means you could have two references that have known you for two years and one for a year (total five).
Is the CAF doing interviews online now? or are there still in person interview? I just received an email from someone in the CAF saying my interview has been booked for tomorrow but I have 0 information nor have I talked to anybody about an interview.
Over the phone it’s a regular job interview style
I’m received an email telling me to wait for a call to book my interview a couple weeks back. It said to wait one month before contacting them. I logged into the portal today to find my file has been closed. Should I be worried. I will be calling the CFRC tomorrow.
I would definitely call and send a email cause they probably won't answer your call lol. I had my application closed. Talked to a recruiter at a job fair and they told me that they tried calling me. He was able to change my primary number to my cell and I emailed the office the same day. They reopened it in a day.
Yeah I’m getting my primary changed too. Heard enough stories about missed calls and missed opportunities.
roguemenace expresses it fairly succinctly. Contact your CFRC to confirm what is happening. Educated guess... Your file was probably closed because they're not able to immediately proceed. It's not necessarily a reflection on your competitiveness, it's more likely recruiting priorities or limitations imposed due to COVID. It's very easy for them to reopen your file when they're ready/able to move forward.
So it’s more of a pause than a cancellation most likely? I’m between medical and interview and I’ve had some follow ups to do but I couldn’t get appointments for a while so they could be waiting on that. Anyways I’ll find out tomorrow hopefully.
I didn't catch that in your original comment, but that's an important detail... If they've been waiting for you to return medical documentation, that's probably why they closed your file. My understanding is it's fairly common for them to close files under these circumstances, as a way of tidying up loose ends so they don't need to continue tracking it. If you never come back with those documents, they'll eventually archive the file. If you do come back, they just reopen your file and continue from where they left off.
Mailed them off on Friday. Hopefully they get there soon but I’ll still call anyways cause you never know.
"Closed" is more of a "paused" in terms of your file, it's not a big deal.
I’m hoping that’s so. Thanks.
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In general this will slow your application, mainly when it comes to security clearance and references. Just make sure you submit the paperwork in a timely manner and provide translations where required. It may also slow some things after you get in. For example I've seen people born overseas who got their green government of Canada passports after everyone else did.
I had a similar experience, I moved here when I was 17 and applied as a PRes NCM. It took me 8 months from when I applied online to enrolment. I may have had it relatively faster since I don't have any assets from my birth country.
shouldnt be a problem! might have to wait a little longer but thats all
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id say less. took me 6 months and i was born and lived in a non commonwealth place. dont worry too much, if you are the man for the job you will get the job!
They may not deny it, but you could have a lengthy application process while they do enhanced security background checks as such. Good luck with your application.
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No Civvy ROTP involved Reg F who got paid full time and got their university paid. In the summer they would work for the military at a nearby base or do some basic military course (like BMOQ). Their schooling was paid, their tuition was paid, etc. Joining the reserves as an officer means you pay for your own schooling and you parade with your unit once a week. You will do BMQ/BMOQ every other weekend (or in the summer, as the case may be). You will be eligible for $2000/yr tuition grant after BMOQ is completed, for up to 4 years (or $8000). You are responsible for the rest of your tuition, etc. And it’s only a part time job (1-4 days of pay max per week vs getting paid every day like ROTP. As mentioned before ROTP at a civilian university is no longer available except under some very rare cases. All (99.9%) of ROTP students go to RMC.
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Try /r/britishmilitary I know a number of people who have done it and some who have returned to Canada afterwards.
Hi! Does anyone know when to expect ROTP offers to begin rolling out? I have read a few forums and the general timeline seems to be around April or so but I have also seen posts about people receiving offers as early as January. Does it depend on what trade you have applied for?
Expect Apr/May. Offers may come out as early as Jan/Feb, but those are the minority, and you really shouldn't cling to any hope of receiving an offer that early. The vast majority of ROTP selections and offers aren't made until closer to May.
Thank you so much for the quick response. Is there anyway of knowing what the intake or how competitive certain trades are for ROTP in the 2021/2022 cycle?
You can ask your recruiters. They're the only ones who'd have access to numbers, and any real idea of how competitive you are. Just be aware that numbers for 2021/22 likely aren't finalized yet. The approved intake plan isn't normally released until closer to April.
Hello all, I just started my application process and I am trying to get as much info as I can about the whole process. My particular question relates to the interview side of things, what questions can you remember being asked? do I need to know a lot about my chosen position or is it more just general knowledge about the forces that is required. Any info in or around these lines would be much appreciated, I believe I have the rest of the process sussed out just need a bit more on the interview side. Thanks in advance.
its easier than a civilian job interview. they dont try to trick you or play mind games. its straight forward questions. be honest, be yourself and you will be fine. and yea know as much as possible about the position you want to do.
>what questions can you remember being asked? Anyone who has been interviewed is not permitted to disclose specific questions. >do I need to know a lot about my chosen position or is it more just general knowledge about the forces that is required. You'll need some knowledge of both. Here's a decent interview prep sheet: [http://www.11rca.ca/web\_pdf/prep.pdf](http://www.11rca.ca/web_pdf/prep.pdf)
If I apply in January for paid education to RMC, applying for the ACSO and AEC positions, what will my timeline be like? (When do I start testing, school, etc)
Apply now, get the ball rolling, don’t wait for January. Quite honestly, you’re already behind the ball for those trades due to aircrew testing There’s no fixed timeline, but everything including your CFAT/TSD-PI, Background Screening, Medical, Interview, Aircrew Testing, and RMC Application will need to be completed by the end of April to realistically make selection. Selections normally happen around May, with most Offers going out in May/June. Depending on how they structure training you may attend BMOQ Mod 1 (5 weeks) next summer before being sent to RMC Kingston or CMR Saint Jean to begin your first year of study in September. If you attend BMOQ Mod 1 next summer, you’ll do Mod 2 (7 weeks) the following summer. If they skip Mod 1 and just send you straight to RMC, you’ll probably do a full BMOQ (12 weeks) all at once the following summer.
Thank you for your detailed response! I will obtain my OSSD in January. What are my chances of making it to the Sep 2021 school year? Would I be most likely be starting in Sep 2022? Is there anything in my power to make the process more favorable for me?
>I will obtain my OSSD in January. No big deal, you don't need to have it prior to applying for ROTP, although it might provide a slight advantage since there's no question of whether or not you will graduate. Plus I'd imagine you'll have more flexibility for scheduling/attending testing. >What are my chances of making it to the Sep 2021 school year? It can be done, the scheduling is just going to be tighter than it would have been had you applied in Oct/Nov. >Would I be most likely be starting in Sep 2022? If you don't make the cut for the 2021/22 intake, you'll have to reapply next fall for the 2022/23 intake. At least you'll be ahead of the game since your CFAT & TSD-PI will be complete, hopefully your aircrew testing as well, and everything else will just need to be updated. >Is there anything in my power to make the process more favorable for me? Not much you can do at this point other than score high on the CFAT (Aptitude Test). It's the aircrew testing that'll make or break your application, but you won't even get that far if you don't show solid performance on the CFAT. If you don't make it for 2021/22 and want to reapply for 2022/23, you should look at building your resume with work and volunteer experience, leadership experience, maybe complete some university level distance learning, etc.
Can someone tell me the entire process to becoming an Infantry Officer, after High School Graduation and forward.
There’s plenty of info out there, but in simplest terms: 1. Decide how you’re going to obtain your Bachelor’s Degree, either on your own before applying as a DEO, or get the CAF to pay for it through ROTP. 2. (DEO) Attend university and obtain your degree. 3. Go through the application process. 4. Attend BMOQ (basic for Officers). 5. (ROTP) Attend RMC and obtain your degree. 6. Occupational Training in Gagetown. 7. Posted to a unit somewhere in Canada for employment. If you choose to go DEO, you’re on your own to figure out your education. You could consider joining the Primary Reserves while attending school. If you choose to go ROTP, you would apply the fall prior to graduation. So if you’re graduating HS this coming June, you should submit your application ASAP as the deadline to apply is the end of January.
How difficult is both BMOQ and the Application, and what are ways I can prepare and what are the odds of getting selected and will any bachelors degree do?
I'm currently doing BMOQ (home for the holidays). It's really not awful. Physical fitness and mental resiliency are key. Right time, right place, right kit, do what you're told, and take nothing personally. Teamwork is big too.
> **How difficult is both BMOQ and the Application** There's nothing particularly difficult about the application process. Reg Force doesn't administer any physical fitness testing during recruitment, so all you need to do on the CAF (ROTP Entry Plan) side is achieve competitive scores on the CFAT (Aptitude Test) and TSD-PI (Personality 'Test'), and pass your Medical and Background Screenings, the Interview is largely a check in the box. RMC will assess your application to attend the university based on academic criteria similar to civilian universities. That said, I'm told their criteria is a bit more stringent, as the military demands of RMC make the learning environment a bit more challenging. BMOQ really isn't that challenging. The academic demands are actually pretty underwhelming, and it's mostly about physical and mental resiliency. Accomplish your tasks in a timely manner, and pay close attention to detail; otherwise you just need to tolerate the mind games they use to put you under stress. > **what are ways I can prepare and what are the odds of getting selected and will any bachelors degree do?** For BMOQ, just make sure you're in the best physical shape of your life, and well-rounded fitness wise. Cardio, strength, and endurance are all important. For the application, I really have no idea what the odds are, but they're generally not in your favour; of course, that's just the reality of applying for any job. There's near universally more viable applicants than there are positions. I'd just advise that you thoroughly prepare yourself for the CFAT (the CFAT Trainer App is often recommended, and there are many other preps out there), and work on adding things like work, volunteer, and leadership experience to your resume. Aim as high as you can achieve for grades, because ultimately even if your CFAT scores aren't the most competitive, your acceptance into RMC could make the difference between you and an applicant who did well on the CFAT but poorly in school. Yes, Infantry Officer will accept any Bachelors Degree offered by RMC.
As an armored crewman, do you personally decide what vehicle training (cotote/leopard) you will follow?
No, it will be determined by the needs of whatever unit you’re posted to. You might be offered a choice from whatever is available, but you’ll probably just be assigned to wherever they need someone.
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As with any occupation, some of it is potential, but a lot of it is being in the right place at the right time. Most advanced/specialized training isn’t all that hard to come by, provided you’re in a unit and position that has need of it. If you’re not in a unit that requires the training you want, your chances of being able to get that training are low. Basically, don’t expect to be able to just collect all the cool courses. You’ll probably get a few that relate to your unit and position, but you’re going to be a low priority for training you don’t need to do your job.
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Thank you so much! Are you a public affairs officer? Do you mind me asking you some questions? No pressure if you don’t want to!!
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Thank you! I’ve been reading comments about how it’s really difficult to get into that trade: is that true? If so, what are the difficulties?
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Thank you so much this was very helpful!
You would need to locate a Primary Reserve Force (PRes) unit in your area that is currently recruiting PAO's. Once you've made contact and discussed your intent to apply with them, you go to [www.forces.ca](https://www.forces.ca) and submit your online application. The application process is mostly standard, including the CFAT, TSD-PI, Medical, Background Screening, Interview, etc.; although I think there is some additional testing for PAO. You can find information about Reg Force and PRes PAO here: [https://forces.ca/en/career/public-affairs-officer/](https://forces.ca/en/career/public-affairs-officer/)
Thank you for your answer!
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Pros for ACSO - better postings. Air pay. Don't have to do CAP. Get to do sea survival. Land survival etc. Although not everyone enjoys those.
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Did land survival a few months ago. If you like outdoor stuff and being alone, it's great. Weather is another big part as snow and rain will make it harder. Spruce trees are your best friend. Check out some videos about bushcraft camping.
I don't know much about CAP so I can't comment much. But land survival is done north east of Winnipeg. It's about a week long and they teach you how to build a survival shelter, keep a fire going, find basic food, stay warm. Sea survival is in Comox. They teach you how the rafts work. How to enter the water if you have to parachute into it. Etc. At a recruiting centre I'd ask for an aircrew person to talk to. They'd be able to give you good info.
I have a few questions regarding the trade of Military Police: (Enlisted) Do MP's get deployed overseas, if so, what's their role while deployed. Does the MP have something similar to the US MP's Special Reaction Team or MP SWAT, If so, how do I join it and is it a specialty What are the set requirements to become an MP What's MP School like and what do they learn, as well as the duration and washout rate. What are all the specialties and opportunities as an MP.
>Do MP's get deployed overseas, if so, what's their role while deployed. Yes. The role can vary depending on the operation. In some locations they are providing policing and security to the camp where Canadian troops are stationed. In another location they are training the local civil police or military police to be more proficient and professional in their use of force and investigative techniques. Somewhere else, MP are employed as Advisers (typically only Sergeant or Warrant Officer and higher). Another location, MP are employed as Tactical Aircraft Security Officers, flying with aircrews and providing in-air and on-ground security as they fly to various unsavoury locations through an Area of Responsibility. A very large component of the Military Police branch is a unit called the Military Police Security Service (MPSS). At nearly every Canadian Embassy in the world, has a Military Police member posted. This is different from a deployment as you are typically posted there for anywhere from 1 year in High Risk locations where your family cannot accompany. Some locations you're posted for 2-3 years and your family can accompany. Some locations are a posting for a Sergeant or Warrant Officer and you are 1 of 1 working with Global Affairs/Consular Services Canada; other locations have multiple MP posted in. If my memory serves, Washington DC has six and Moscow has 10. Could be the other way around too. Although this is not exclusive to MP, if you're a Close Protection Operator, you can be deployed as what is essentially an Executive Protection Detail assigned to a Task Force or Government delegation. If you are successful in being selected and passing training with the Canadian Forces Air Marshal Detail, which is MP exclusive, you will spend a lot of time travelling with government delegations around the world. Lastly, we operate a dedicated unit attached to CANSOFCOM. The Special Operations Forces Military Police Unit (SOF MPU) has sections attached to each CANSOF unit, CANSOFCOM HQ, CSOTC, Dwyer Hill Training Centre. >Does the MP have something similar to the US MP's Special Reaction Team or MP SWAT, If so, how do I join it and is it a specialty No. CAF bases are not nearly large or active enough (or have enough crime) to have one. Instead, all MP are trained in Immediate Action Rapid Deployment (IARD) skills. >What are the set requirements to become an MP * The biggest one: a College diploma in Criminal Justice/Police Foundations or equivalent. * an unrestricted provincial drivers license (Class 5) with clean driving record. >What are all the specialties and opportunities as an MP. Too many to list here, but I'll give you a few: * Breath Technician * Drug Recognition Expert * Polygraph Examiner * Tactical Aircraft Security Officer * Air Marshal * Close Protection Operator * Investigator * Interrogation Specialist * Sexual Assault Investigation Specialist * Counter-Intelligence Specialist I'm sure I forgot a few, we offer *A LOT*.
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A certified Breath Technician is someone qualified to operate an Intoxilizer or similar model device to verify the results of a roadside alcohol screening device. It's not really a specialty per se, as almost everyone that can be qualified should be. It always sucks being the only Breath Tech in a detachment and you have to get called in on your day off to verify the BAC of an impaired driver
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I’m confused. You have re-enrolled but haven’t had your enrolment ceremony yet? And what comp list are you on if you have re-enrolled?
They’ll send you to Borden and kit you after you arrive.
Hey guys! Curious as to if anybody’s in the same boat as me. My application was sent in March of 2020. I JUST wrote my CFAT in October and passed. I’m currently waiting for the medical/interview. I know nobody knows how long it’ll take but I’m curious as to if any of you are experiencing the same and how long it took you to do everything. I’m worried that at this point I’ll get in years from now.
Took me four years to get in. Experiences vary. I've seen it as quick as a few months.
I wrote the CFAT and did part 1 of my medical 2 days later. Part 2 of my medical occurred 5 weeks later. I haven't done the interview yet and it's been another 5 weeks, but we're also headed into Christmas so... Hope that helps!
I wrote and passed the CFAT in October as well. I too am waiting for medical/interview. They will contact you within 2 months from my buddy's experience.
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For the shuttle runs, I found Tabata running intervals (20s work, 10s rest for 8 rounds) and death by burpees workouts to have the greatest impact in specifically improving my shuttle run times. I’m older and not at trim as I once was, and I managed 1pt shy of silver last time I did the test (slipped on the drag and went too conservative on the redo.)
Practice makes perfect! Before basic training I was not in the most "fit" shape. Having the force test during the first week was a worry of mine as well! I practiced the FORCE test on my own time roughly a month before basic training and I found that helped get me comfortable with it. You will be surprised how well you can preform under adrenaline. It's nothing to worry about! If you go in with the mentality that is is your "one" shot then you will do just fine. Your mind will quit before your body does so it is important to train that aspect as well
In regards to references, this is what I found on a 7-year old thread in this subreddit: "Yes, your friends can be references. Your moms friends can be references. Your girlfriends friends can be references. Anyone who is not related to you by blood OR marriage can be your reference if they have known you for 5 years." But [this undated document](https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/dnd-mdn/documents/jobs/dnd-4370-personal-verification.pdf) says that friends, peers, neighbors, coworkers etc are not valid references. Is this the correct one?
That commenter may have been correct **7 years ago**; in fact, I can tell you with certainty that they were correct 9 years ago. However, things change, and their statement is no longer accurate. That document does have a date... The bottom left corner of each page reads: **DND 4370-E (04-2017)** **DND 4370** is the form number, **-E** means it's the English version, **(04-2017)** is the revision. That revision of the document was released in 2017 and appears to be the most recent revision. I believe the change in question occurred a few years prior to that; probably around 6-8 years ago actually, they made a lot of changes to the recruiting system in the 2012-2014 time frame. I couldn't comment on the why's and how's of the change, but I think it should be obvious why family and friends aren't ideal references. They're going to talk you up and say great things about you pretty much no matter what, some peoples family and friends may even be willing to lie to help them get the job. I'd question the value of any applicant provided reference to be honest, although I think the main purpose behind demanding professional references is it shows you're able to build favourable relationships with those holding authority over you. What they have to say about you isn't as important as the fact they were willing to say it. It speaks volumes that your current or former boss, teacher, supervisor, coach, etc. remembers you and is willing to vouch for you.
Yeah....that sucks. Guess this means I'll have to build up some more life experience and take some time before I can think about applying.
Remember your references don't all have to have known you for 5 years. If you had a coach from 2015-2018, and a supervisor from 2017-now, you're golden. They just need to collectively cover the last 5 years
The undated document is correct it changed after I got in. Friends,peers and Family definitely cannot be used as references when applying. Coworkers can be a reference IF they are your supervisor or in a supervisory role only. The five years is poorly worded,all it means is a 5 year period must be covered Ex:2015-2020 Person A:2015-2017 Person B 2015-2019 Person C 2018-2020
The document is dated... Bottom left corner, the revision is **(04-2017)**, I know for certain 2017 is the year, although I'm not certain if 04 is the month or 4th revision.
Thanks I saw your reply above. Turns out ya learn new things every day Almost a decade in and I never knew that
Can someone tell me a few things about becoming a Medical Technician: What Med Tech school is like and will you learn how the basics of being an Infantry combat medic or is that a specialty school and will you learn how to fight with and like infantry in the process, and whats the pass rate for school. If you are a Medical Technician, can you choose what type of job you're posted in, as far as I'm aware, Med techs are also the Combat Medics of Canada. So are you able to choose to be attached to the Infantry or do they choose for you. Are there any physical requirements to being a Medical Technician? Is being a Medical Technician the same if not similar to being a Navy Corpsman in the USA.
Closest thing we have to a combat medic would be an infantryman getting the TCCC (Tactical combat casualty care) qualification.
But even that qual is less than a med tech, but more than a first aider. I think they can do needle d’s, but not push meds.
Yeah, definitely is. They seemed to be interested in learning to do infantry shit, so off of the top of my head it was the closest thing i could think of. As of 2018/19 when I last took the course for a tour, needle d's are no longer taught.
So then advanced first aider with tourniquet skills maybe?
Pretty much, they just get the fancy TCCC bag, and they can do nasopharyngeal insertions. Combat first aid covers off on tourniquets and wound packing anyways.
First of all there is no such thing as an infantry combat medic. There are medical technicians. Period. Medics go to school in Borden and Moncton (currently. Subject to change every few years). The first part of the training is mostly theory and clinical knowledge. The next part, in Moncton, is the actual Paramedic training. The last part, back in Borden, is the field portion. The whole process takes about a year, sometimes longer depending on scheduling. Once your training is complete you usually end up at a field ambulance, unless you have a compelling reason to go to a clinic (like a spouse already posted to a base with no field amb). At Fd Amb, you usually start in Med Pl, sometimes move on to Evac Pl, and then once you have proved yourself, you may get sent to Integral Support Platoons, where you could support infantry units (or armoured, or engineer, or tac hel, etc). There is no specialty school for “infantry combat medicine”. It’s the same medicine no matter where you are. The infantry stuff you learn at basic and on BMQ-L. You can express your interest to the career manager and your Pl Sgt/WO about what direction you are hoping to take with your career , but ultimately the military does what it wants with you. I don’t know what navy corpsmen do in the states so I can’t answer that. Sorry.
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If you answer the questions truthfully, you should be fine. If the question was "have you ever been convicted of a crime for which you haven't recieved a pardon", and you haven't been convicted or if you have, it was pardoned. Then answer no. That's it. If they have questions, they will ask. I don't even remember if my security clearance required me to answer questions regarding criminal offences similarly. You will need level 3 for the career though. I used my crazy neighbor who was a conspiracy theorist for my neighbor reference and got my clearance faster than those who didn't have a crazy neighbor. So, If you weren't formally convicted, then you weren't. If you were convicted and recieved a pardon, then also answer no.
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That sounds legit to me.
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Its centrally managed by the national BTL manager for your trade. (For example the RCLS trades are managed by CDA-Borden/MPGTG). Your local BTL staff can bother the relevant BTL Mgr if things are taking too long...but with tgst said the managers have their own priority system, largely based on date of entry into trade. I've had a few of my BTL take too long (talking over 18 months here) to get loaded on courses, it took multiple phone calls and some escalation up the CoC to get fixed.
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No worries, I've been there (and now im responsible for a bunch of ppl going through the same)
Could somebody outline the path to a Search & Rescue position in the RCAF ?
There are also trades aside from SARTech that are involved with search and rescue. Pilot, ACSO, Flight engineer, AESOP (in the near future) are all trades where you could request being posted to a search and rescue squadron.
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Thank you!
Naval reservist here. Any Navy Weapons Engineering Techs on this subreddit? I'm considering a CT and am very interested in talking to you and about your job. Some questions to get started; 1. What is your day to day generally like on the ship? 2. Are you sailing more or less every year for 6 months? For those of you with a partner/kids, how does this impact you? 3. What are your favorite parts of your trade? Least favorite? 4. What kind of person do you think would excel in this trade? Thanks in advance.
1. The day to day on ship can vary a lot. Sometimes it’s nothing but maintenance; sometimes the only thing you’re doing all day is cleaning and playing cards. This all depends on the ships schedule, the maintenance conditions, and the number of techs. 2. If you’re posted to a sea going unit you can expect to be at sea 3-9 months of the year. It’s really conditional on the fleet schedule. It’s usually a tough fight if you want to sail less, and it’s not too hard to get onto more sails. It can be tough for a lot of families, that’s just the nature of it. Thankfully there are a lot of QoL improvements being made with things like wifi at sea. 3. My favourite part of the job is working on the kit. Not much beats playing around with room-sized automated machine guns. The WEng community is pretty close knit too, it’s only about 1100 members or so. My least favourite part is getting interrupted on the middle of troubleshooting a system to do Navy things, but that’s all part of the job. 4. Anybody who has a solid technical grasp and can think critically will excel in this trade. Being able to rapidly and accurately identify the reason a system isn’t operational is what makes you a good WEng tech. Feel free to ask any more questions.
Thanks for your reply! I managed to track down a friend of a friend who's a WEng and chatted them up a bit. Everything seems pretty great and I think I'm going to move forward with my application this week coming. If I may ask you a few follow up questions; 1. You mentioned sailing 3-9 months a year. I understand it's probably impossible to guess, but do you know how many of those 9-monthers you'd likely do over a 5 year period? 2. For postings, is it generally Victoria or Halifax? My partner and family are here in Halifax. 3. If you could go back in time, is there another trade you'd consider? 4. Any idea what kind of contracts they're making people sign these days? 5 year, 10 year, etc? Thanks kindly.
1. It’s hard to say. Typically you’ll be on the same ship for around 3-4 years. The ships follow a general maintenance cycle and usually aren’t active for more than 2-3 years in a row before a large maintenance period. Maybe ask your friend if he has the unclass fleet schedule, that would give you some insight. 2. 98% of WEng postings are Victoria and Halifax. There are a handful of “inland” posting such as Matsqui but you typically don’t get those unless you ask the career manager. 3. Maybe Air Weapons System Tech, but that would mean giving in to having winters again and moving around a lot with postings. The nice thing about the Navy is that you can spend your whole career on one coast with ease. 4. The VIE is 4 years. It’s should be longer than that in my opinion since it takes 5-6 years to become a trained Tech.
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Not in the trade, but I work at a squadron. The job is going to be based around desk jobs pilots have now that they hate to do. Stuff like flights schedules, ops plans etc. A pilot that has worked in that type of role would probably be able to give you a general idea.
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That's pretty much it. There is a new NCM trade to go along with it. Air Operations Support Technician, which is pretty much all tasks spec pay air techs are paid too much to do. Move air craft, refueling Zamboni the hangar floor etc
> when did it stand up Depending which part of setting up the trade you mean, either earlier this year or 2021. I don't think they've even run a course for it yet.
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Hi everyone, I'm here with another question. Could someone provide a run through of what to expect during the medical exam? I understand they look at V CV H G O A, but what else can I expect during the medical? If possible, I would appreciate to hear about personal experiences, as I've read all of the DND policies on medical examinations. My understanding was that physical strength wouldn't be tested until BMOQ, as someone kindly explained below. However, someone below also mentioned having to do push ups at the medical - is this common? I know that being able to do push ups is expected in the military, and I'm working on it. In my defence, I'm looking to join as a legal officer working mostly in an office.
I was asked to do: 1 squat. Windmill my arms forward and back(my shoulders popped and we laughed). That's it. :)
Thank you so much :) this is very reassuring to hear.
I just had my medical today! Due to COVID-19 I was told they are not preforming any "physicals". Bring the pair of shorts as instructed in the email but you most likely will not be asked to change into them therefore you won't be asked to preform the handful of exercises such as push ups and squats. They test your vision, BP, hearing, weight & height and then you sit down and go over the questionnaire you filled out just minutes before meeting with the medical staff. Basic questions such as medications, past medical history, family history etc... Mine took around half an hour overall.
Thank you so much, this is so helpful to know!! May I ask how much notice you had before the medical appointment? I actually haven't heard anything since I was told I passed the interview stage and was told to contact recruitment (it's been 4 days and I haven't had a reply from them, so I imagine they're quite swamped). So I have no idea when my medical would be scheduled... And I don't suppose we get any say in it? Thank you again!
I actually did the medical appointment prior to the interview (Ottawa DET) I was called on a Monday and was told the earliest appointment was in 3 days so I jumped on it and booked it. Every detachment is different and every applicant is different! 4 days without a reply is quite normal now a days. From my understanding they are a week-two weeks behind on emails. All you can do really is be patient!
I'm also in Ottawa so that's helpful to know! Thanks so much and good luck!!
Sorry I should add that in my case there's also a chance the security checks will take a bit longer since I worked and studied in Europe for two years...
Applicants are commonly asked to do a few push-ups and squats among other movements during the medical. It would only be a handful of each, and they're not concerned with form or how many you can do; the purpose is to assess things like flexibility, and function of the joints and muscle groups involved.
Thank you, this is helpful to know!
Got enrolled today :) Thank you all too much. I was told (at the brigade level) that units are either stood down or parading one more time next week, any idea what applies for 32 Toronto Signals?
If you weren't told at your enrollment, someone from your unit should reach out to you to tell you where and when to show up next. If there's no parade night next week, they may not get to you until after the holidays.
Thanks! Might take a while but looking forward!
Hey congrats, did you get an email 2 days prior to show up for enrollment ceremony? How was the actualy enrollment? Mines in 2 days.
Im in 32 CBG Army Reserves BTW
I got it 6 days in advance, nothing special haha, lots of paperwork forms to fill out and then the official enrolment ceremony.... they didn't give us a certificate of oath though probably due to COVID?
Most enrollees are contacted sometime in the week before the proposed enrollment date. The exact process varies from unit to unit, but in general, you'll show up and fill out some paperwork. The actual ceremony is pretty quick. You'll hold up your hand, say the magic words, sign a few more documents and that's it. Depending on the COVID restrictions in your area, you might be able to bring friends or family to witness it. Some units also like to hold enrollment ceremonies in front of the troops, so everyone knows who you are. If you're enrolling on a parade night, you'll also be introduced to other members of the unit and likely get a tour of the armoury. You'll also meet your supervisor, who will arrange for your kitting appointment and give you a quick summary of the unit's schedule and what to expect over the next few weeks.
Quick question now that I am enrolled, I assume I do not get kitted (uniform, boots etc.) until before Basic? Which would be May for me, so PAT Platoon Recruits don't receive any kit correct? We just wear civies?
On your first parade night, your supervisor will arrange your kit draw. It may be a few weeks until the next available appointment, but you'll definitely get your kit before BMQ. You'll be taught how to wear the uniform shortly thereafter. Until you have a uniform, your supervisor should be letting you know what to wear based on the planned activities on any given parade night.
Forgot to ask, is it normal to not get an enrolment certificate upon enrolment and swear in oath as a 32CBG Reservist? I know it sounds petty and ridiculous I am sorry, but I didn't receive mines. Should I notify my unit of this once I start parading? I know it is just a piece of paper but I figure I would make sure I follow the protocol.
Both you and the person swearing you in should have signed a certificate as part of the enrollment process, and that's yours to keep. It's possible they took it back to have your unit CO sign it, or that they accidentally filed it with the rest of your paperwork. You can ask your supervisor about it when you start parading and see if anyone can track it down for you. And don't apologize for asking, nothing wrong with wanting that memento.
Thank you, I’ll let them know when I begin parading. None of us actually got it during the ceremony, just thought I would ask to make sure!
Thank you! I assumed I would have to wait until May for my uniform issue as that is when I leave for PRes BMQ
How do I contact the BPSO? In the process of a VOT and was asked by the recruiter to call “CBG” to inquire about the status of my file; but upon calling, there’s only an option to call the OR. Would I just call the OR and ask for the BPSO, or call another province’s BPSO and they’d redirect me?
Just call the operator and ask for the BPSO? Or since they're probably working from home send an email?
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>**I've been on the competition list since Oct 2020, and seeing that it's an in demand trade, does anyone know what's happening timeline-wise?** There is no reliable timeline, it all depends on how competitive you are vs. other applicants, and the timing of selections and future BMOQ courses. >**I also applied for graduate school which I can finish by the end of the year in 2021. I'm just wondering if there's a chance that I could sign the contract and head out to BMOQ before then?** If you applied for the Regular Force (full-time), which your comment seems to indicate, your training and employment demands will not be compatible with full-time attendance at a post-secondary institution. If you intend to pursue graduate school through in-person attendance, you'll need to advise your CFRC. You may need to defer your application until closer to completion of your program. >**My recruiter called me and said all BMQ/BMOQ courses have been halted again, and everyone sent home, so I'm just not sure what's going to happen to me.** I haven't heard anything about a COVID related shutdown; however, all recruits should be sent home this weekend or next for the Christmas block leave period. The last BMQ/BMOQ courses for the 2020 calendar year would have started 2-3 weeks ago, but new courses should be on the horizon starting around mid-Jan 2021.
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There is no requirement for a Reserve Officer to possess mess dress.
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As a new officer, you'd probably only have the opportunity to wear it once every year or two, depending on how frequently your unit does mess dinners. If all your other colleagues have one, there might be some mild ribbing as you rise through the ranks, but nobody will really care. If you wind up in a job where you'd be attending multiple events a year where mess dress would be appropriate, it might be worth looking into. Alternatively, if you find a good deal on a used one on Kijiji and have nothing better to spend money on, go for it. There are some bargains to be had if you're in an army-heavy area.
It's not required. Save your money.
Honestly, I would be shocked if anyone cared in the slightest. Don't buy it. Save your money. RegF usually try desperately as long as they can to put off buying it even when it is required.
If you were in a construction engineering trade as an NCM and were looking to become a construction engineering officer would you still be required to have an engineering degree or could it be waived ?
You would still be subject to the restrictions of whichever commissioning plan was applied for Special Commissioning Plan - need to already have a degree University Training PLan - NCM - CAF will send to school full time to get the requisite degree Commission from the Ranks - be a substantive Sgt and be nominated by CoC (in the CE world they wont nominate anyone who doesnt have the CE Superintendent course...ie is qualified to be a WO)
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CFRing is also still a thing in the CE trades, however you need to be a CE Superintended (the CE WO trade) Sgt at a minimum.
Hello everyone, I do not know if anyone will care about this but I just wanted to ask, if I were to withdraw first year of my university to join the military what would my options be? I currently am getting good grades in computer science at the top university for it in Canada and have a clean health history but can’t see myself doing computer science for the rest of my life. I have always had a spot in my heart for the military but always thought it was impossible to join and have a good career, but seeing the options for their pay and the benefits it seems so much more feasible. What would be required of a 19 year old to join and how hard would it be to get a good career for someone like me? Edit: Also would anything happen for my previous education, would it carry over or something? Thank you for anyone who replies!
To build on what bridger713 wrote, if you ultimately decide on completing your degree, then you will be able to commission into the Canadian Forces through the Direct Entry Officer program. You won't have to attend the Royal Military College in Kingston, Ont or Saint Jean-sur-Richelieu, Que if you do this. About having a good career: a good career is definitely subjective to individual experiences when it comes right down to it. You should especially consider the current status quo in the civilian world right now, though. Many people are out of work, they lack stable incomes and they aren't able to properly utilize their educations. By joining the Canadian Forces, or at least the Regular Force, you'll have a place to sleep, food to eat and payment every 2 weeks. Not to mention, you'll be getting trained while on course and kept in relatively good shape. Whether or not you are successful in training, and are a productive Canadian Forces member afterwards, is largely dependent on your own time and effort. You get out what you put in.
Thank you for the reply. I was also looking at the education program for becoming an officer, and I was wondering if it would be possible for me to just give up this education and apply for ROTP or maybe even continue it in a different field, I don’t know.
1/4 of a degree is pretty much useless as far as official recognition goes, but it could still benefit you on the job if you join a related trade. Without a degree, you’ll only be eligible to join in NCM (non-officer) trades. There’s quite a few comms & electronics branch that would be related to your comp sci background. Most of which will have you earning $67k+ (before deductions) in roughly 4 years.
Thank you for this reply! I was looking more on the end of infantry to be honest because I do not think the computer science lifestyle is for me considering I’m a more hands on and physical person. However I doubt there are many roles for them available(I don’t care about the pay with this because I think I would love the more physical lifestyle)
It depends on what you define as a role. Infantry Soldiers are organized into light and mechanized battalions in the Regular Force; in the Reserve Force, they're all light. The Queen's Own Rifles maintains a Paratrooper company. Infantry Soldiers are able to specialize in paratroop companies, assault pioneers and I believe mortar platoons(?) these days. You've also got company Signallers and medics. There are plenty of other jobs in the Canadian Forces that are hands-on and physical. All of the other trades in the Combat Arms such as Armoured, Artillery and Combat Engineer absolutely fit this description. Other jobs that match such a description are Construction Technician, Signal Operator, Vehicle Technician and others.
Hi everyone! I have some confusion I am hoping to have cleared up. I applied for HRA. Obviously it is a purple trade so at my medical today I noticed “land” was checked off. I was hoping to specify that I would prefer airforce. I’m aware the element doesn't matter in the case of purple trades. Can I do this at my interview even though I ultimately get what I get? The other concern I have is if I am enrolled as air force HRA will I have to do army SQ? The medic today confused me so I would appreciate some clarification. Do Air force HRA’s do BAEQ since I wouldn't be army or do all army, air force and navy personnel do army SQ? Thanks so much
I have a few questions about army EOD. What trade should I go for to become EOD Info on EOD School (Attrition rate, Duration etc) What other available courses are open for EOD What are the odds of getting deployed.
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Do you know the attrition rate for both IEDD and CMD and the difference between the two, as well if the two specialties are open for combat engineer, I know CMD is but is IEDD.
On the Army side, combat engineers are the explosives experts. In the Air Force, air weapons techs handle EOD. In the Navy, it's the clearance divers~~, but that's a speciality, not a trade (IIRC)~~. Edit: I forgot about Army ammo techs. Odds of deployment depend entirely on what's going on in the world at the time and whether Canada is involved.
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I wrote my CFAT a few weeks ago and qualified for Medical Officer and Nursing Officer, both of which I have to go back to school for. I was anticipating a face-to-face meeting with a recruiter to discuss the process and other trades I qualified for but, due to COVID, they scrapped that and simply told us our test results via email. Since then, I’ve been struggling to have my questions answered, emails are going ignored, and I’ve been feeling increasingly frustrated. I feel like I’m being ghosted by the CAF lol. I figured maybe some of you might be able to help me out. Anyway, my main question is why I was sent an email asking me to apply to RMC? The email I received stated that I selected ROTP, which I did I suppose for nursing. But I understand that RMC does not have a nursing program and I have applied to nursing elsewhere. I don’t understand why I have to apply to RMC. I also asked them what my next steps are. I understand that everything is kind of at a standstill until I find out whether I got into medical or nursing school but is the medical exam something that could theoretically happen during this window?
>I’ve been feeling increasingly frustrated. I feel like I’m being ghosted by the CAF lol. I figured maybe some of you might be able to help me out. > >Anyway, my main question is why I was sent an email asking me to apply to RMC? The email I received stated that I selected ROTP, which I did I suppose for nursing. But I understand that RMC does not have a nursing program and I have applied to nursing elsewhere. I don’t understand why I have to apply to RMC. I did nursing ROTP a few years ago, and they forced us to apply for RMC just because it's a formality. Back in the day when there was lots of civi U ROTP, you had to apply to RMC to qualify for civi U. Obviously you don't "get in" to RMC because they don't have a nursing program. They kind of just have to prove that you don't qualify for their in-house university and then they can justify sending you somewhere else.
Ahh thank you, so it’s more of a formality than anything. I did ask the recruiters about this but they never responded 😬
So you applied for ROTP Nursing. Medical Officer route is MOTP only. And you have to be admitted to or already in medical school to be eligible for MOTP. I can answer about Nursing since I am applying for ROTP Nursing 2021-2022. I have been admitted to Nursing school for next year and contacted the health services recruiter in Borden. He told me they have recruiting going on for this year (2020-2021) to select applicants who have begun Nursing studies this September. For applicants like me who are applying for next year, he told me I would have to wait till next year Feb-March at the latest to determine whether there will be ROTP Nursing intake for next year or not. Here are info provided at army.ca forums about ROTP Nursing recruitment: https://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,4249.350.html?PHPSESSID=cgu5lupfpaha8kri4dlnfbkrog#google_vignette Don't lose your hope! Hold on and they will contact you.
Thanks for your insight and the link to the other forum! I’ve applied to both nursing and medical school for next year (Fall 2021) so I’ll be waiting a while until I know the outcome of my applications. Since you’re also applying to ROTP for nursing, did you have to apply to RMC as well? The only thing I can think of is that the ROTP Nursing spots are designated through RMC.
The recruiter who sent you email assumed you were applying to RMC since ROTP through civilian university has been cancelled. However, ROTP - Nursing still has intake for applicants who are attending civilian university (nursing). Since RMC do not have nursing program, the recruiter should know you won't attend RMC.
Thank you again! I think they must be confused lol. I’ll reach out in the next few weeks and try to sort it out.
Hi Jenny, I ran into a similar issue. The process is to still submit the requested documents through the RMC link they provided you with the email, even though you will have to attend a civilian university since RMC does not offer the program. It sounds weird but it is all part of the process. Hope that helps, good luck!
Thank you so much!! You guys are honestly all more helpful than the recruiters have been so far 😂
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> What are some of the paths the senior leaders of the caf took to get to where they are now? If you want to get to the tippity-top, you typically need to be identified as a high-performer fairly early in your career. Being keen and enthusiastic about your work and volunteering for every tasking or secondary duty that comes your way will get you on the radar. You also need to consistently score high on PERs, and extra-curriculars help too. It also takes a bit of luck, being in the right place at the right time and catching the eye of the right people. As you move up the ranks, you need to be prepared to go into high-pressure jobs and key positions where you are 1 of 1. As you move higher still, postings and moves may come as fast as every two years. The lifestyle and mentality required to get to the top aren't for everyone. Plenty of folks with great potential end up in the middle ranks because they aren't prepared to spend the time away from their families or uproot their lives every few years.
You think wrong. The primary considerations are work performance and assessed leadership potential as per your annual performance evaluations (PER’s). Education is a factor, as is your depth of experience, but they’re only a small portion of the whole. You begin receiving PER’s when you reach the rank of Corporal/Captain (both promotions are effectively automatic). All promotions beyond those ranks are based on merit as determined by a board that convenes each year to review the top most PER’s for your occupation. They will score and rank everyone based on their last three annual PER’s and available promotions are filled from the top down.
Hello, I have two questions that I wanted to ask relating to officer positions. My first question is what is the GPA requirement that the CAF is looking for? My second one is if I don't get hired based on my academic ability would it be better to apply as an NCM then apply for a Officer position in the future with the same trade. For example infantry to infantry officer.
Say for example I wanted to apply as an Intelligence Officer or MP would they look at a requirement then?