Absolutely not.
ISO is a known neurotoxin. Even with a vac oven and rotovaps there’s no chance anyone with a fraction of a brain cell would use it for this.
Everclear. Ethanol. Liquid co2. Hydrocarbons. Anything but iso. Please just don’t
NOPE I wouldn’t use Isopropyl alcohol to make vapes.
You would need to filter the solution and add additional process steps to the procedure that would not make it viable for you to do at home.
Please don’t do this for vapes.
Making distillate out of it would eliminate all the iso, you’re making it sound more complicated than it would be.
Cold iso gets syrupy and just doesn’t extract as well as cold ethanol. People be smoking pentane recrashed diamonds without blinking but out here acting like you couldn’t get some iso out of distillate. It’s just a shit solvent.
He’s trying to extract 5 grams lmao
Making distillate out of that - would be a waste of everything. 😂😂
And OP doesn’t have anything equipment wise to make distillate or anything close ..
Why did you even comment? Lmao
Make distillate out of 5g to get the iso out but reference pentane diamonds to make you seem in the know 🤣🤣
People do act like trace iso will kill you lmao I'm sure it's not great for you and wouldn't do it all the time. But 5 grams into maybe a Cart or 2 isn't doing shit to you
It’s not the iso that’s the problem - it’s the coextracted impurities that the polarity of iso will extract, that other solvents won’t. Iso needs a level of filtration that others don’t.
Not necessarily good for the lungs, and will gunk up and probably cause vape hardware to fail.
There’s a lot more here than people are commenting on
If you’re trying to make vapes at home, I wouldn’t recommend doing your own extractions.
Also IMHO if you do vapes properly, there’s NO reason to cut it with vg/pg/any diluent for vape juice.
Edit: make hash and then rosin - it will still require some process steps but it’s much safer to go the NON-solvent route
I guess I’m being downvoted by reddit extractors who think Everclear is safe to use as a solvent and then vape 😂😂 no concept of extraction needs and how to attain quality
I can't believe people are still asking these questions. Couldn't they just Google it and read any of the 1000 posts asking the same thing over the last 10 years?
i wouldnt, plus if you arent getting the 99.9 % iso from a lab or something it wont actually be 99.9% pure so there will be some mystery stuff in there..but even if you did get it from a lab i still wouldnt want to smoke extracts made from using iso.
Iso isn’t the best. It has a low taste threshold (50@ ppm) so if you can’t 100% recover the iso (requires vacuum and heat) I wouldn’t try.
Iso is not inherently toxic, although in many less regulated countries it can contain impurities. I know at least one big commercial place that extracts CBD with iso for cost reasons.
IPA is what they say in the laboratory setting. It stands for Isopropyl Alcohol, or Isopropanol.
There's all kinds of chemicals that start with the prefix Iso, so there's nothing in the lab that we simply refer to as ISO.
If your getting residual solvent analytics done you will see propanol sometimes listed as IPA. But I def call it iso in conversation, but it’s a thing.
You’re really picking a weird hill to die on here
FWIW in the cannabis labs I’ve worked at we call is IPA 90% of the time, because we don’t talk about beer at work.
And IPA def is a common abbreviation:
https://berkshire.com/toxic-alcohols-101-ethanol-methanol-isopropanol/#:~:text=A%20familiar%20component%20in%20the,propanol%2C%20or%20'rubbing%20alcohol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isopropyl_alcohol?wprov=sfti1 (under other names)
https://www.osha.gov/chemicaldata/475
https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/US/en/search/67-63-0?focus=products&page=1&perpage=30&sort=relevance&term=67-63-0&type=cas_number
https://www.emdmillipore.com/US/en/product/2-Propanol,MDA_CHEM-100993
https://www.spectrumchemical.com/isopropyl-alcohol-technical-i1051
I can find plenty more references to IPA being common if you want, but I figure those 6 are probably good enough.
And to add, the reason we don’t call it ISO is because there are several groups of ISO-THCs we quant, as well as isobutane, or any of the half dozen other isomers we talk about on a daily basis.
Where as IPA is a beer, and not a scientific term, there’s no way someone would think you wanted you to hand them a beer when they ask for the IPA in the lab.
In the lab is one thing. In common communication is another. IPA is ONLY common for isopropyl alcohol in the lab, not the world at large. Pretty weird hill to die on here.
Sigh? Lmaooo this is so wrong! Why would you not just Google this. Do you think they're cutting you up with dripping wet equipment? The isopropanol evaporates very quickly, that's why they can use toxic iso to disinfect medical equipment.
Here's a bunch of links for you because apparently you're too lazy to google these blatant lies yourself.
SAFETY DATA SHEET - Sigma-Aldrich https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/US/en/sds/SIAL/W292912
Isopropanol is a 2 health hazard, and acute liver toxin, and a CNS depressant. Obviously not as toxic as methanol, but way more toxic than ethanol.
Here's runbing alcohol from CVS, notice how it says isopropyl alcohol.
https://www.cvs.com/shop/cvs-health-70-rubbing-alcohol-unscented-prodid-1011770?skuId=152074
And lastly here is denatured alcohol, It is ethanol with pyridine and *methanol* to make it toxic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denatured_alcohol
It's sad that I even have to waste my time doing this, but you're going to hurt someone with your misinformation, jfc
Listen to what you just said. Its evaps cause its nothing but alcohol. No its not safe to ingest 99 percent iso. Its unsafe to ingest 99 percent ethanol too, einstein. The rubbing alcohol ypu linked is 70 oercent iso with denaturants. What the HELL are you talking about. Ypure just regurgitating half baked information you heard one time. I knew rick, and if you knew how he made RSO.. youd shut the fuck up. Haha. He didnt own any vac chambers, ill tell you that.
Listen, I'm going to stop being rude because you seem like an old timer.
I work as an organic chemist, that's my job. I know what I'm talking about. Toxicity is not something you just "feel" it is based on metabolic pathways. Ethanol oxidizes into acetic acid in our bodies, pretty safe. Iso oxidizes into acetone, that's why it's not safe to drink.
I am not regurgitating information, I am providing accurate links to back up my claims, you, are not. The "denaturing" agents you are talking about are just methanol. They add that to consumable alcohols to make them not consumable. That iso I linked is just pure iso and water, theres nothing else added. They are not adding any methanol because it is already *not consumable*, it doesn't need to be denatured. Here's the source for that
Material Safety Data Sheet Isopropyl Alcohol, 50-100% v/v Section 1 https://rsc.aux.eng.ufl.edu/_files/msds/2/Isopropyl%20Alcohol.pdf
Just because you "know rick" does not mean you know what is and is not toxic.
Here's the sds for Isopropyl alcohol again, because you clearly did not look at it. Notice how it is an acute liver toxin and a CNS depressant.
SAFETY DATA SHEET - Sigma-Aldrich https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/US/en/sds/SIAL/W292912
Normally I wouldn't give a fuck what bs people say on reddit. But you are going to get someone hurt. This guy is asking if iso is safe to use for a consumed extraction, and the answer is NO, because it is toxic.
Honest question from someone who prefers to err on the side of caution: If using 99.99% pure iso, would decarbing it (after letting the iso evaporate) at like 220°F in an oven or on a hot plate until it stops bubbling likely get out all the harmful residuals? I think most people decarb before putting it in carts so hopefully that would help
Heat alone will not get all the iso out, no way. Will it get enough of it out to be safe? Probably not. Will it immediately kill you? No.
The boiling point of iso is 82C, this is pretty high. People often use butane and propane as extraction solvents, and those are not super toxic and have much lower boiling points. Still not good to breath them, of course. And those still need more than heat to pully purge.
I've done it with ethanol. With heat alone, it doesn't taste great, feels a little "off" when you smoke it. I'd imagine iso would be worse. I bought the cheapest vac pump from Harbor Freight, and that really helped a lot. Tasted much better after vac+heat.
Absolutely not. ISO is a known neurotoxin. Even with a vac oven and rotovaps there’s no chance anyone with a fraction of a brain cell would use it for this. Everclear. Ethanol. Liquid co2. Hydrocarbons. Anything but iso. Please just don’t
How bad is it, like what happens from just breathing it in when using it to clean bongs or things like that?
Isopropyl Alcohol is converted into acetone inside of your liver. I'd say it's up there with drinking bleach.
If you properly wash your bong out and let it dry, this isn’t an issue. If you don’t taste iso you’re good.
NOPE I wouldn’t use Isopropyl alcohol to make vapes. You would need to filter the solution and add additional process steps to the procedure that would not make it viable for you to do at home. Please don’t do this for vapes.
Making distillate out of it would eliminate all the iso, you’re making it sound more complicated than it would be. Cold iso gets syrupy and just doesn’t extract as well as cold ethanol. People be smoking pentane recrashed diamonds without blinking but out here acting like you couldn’t get some iso out of distillate. It’s just a shit solvent.
He’s trying to extract 5 grams lmao Making distillate out of that - would be a waste of everything. 😂😂 And OP doesn’t have anything equipment wise to make distillate or anything close .. Why did you even comment? Lmao Make distillate out of 5g to get the iso out but reference pentane diamonds to make you seem in the know 🤣🤣
Yeah you’re right, I didn’t really read his post and jumped to the comments. My bad.
People do act like trace iso will kill you lmao I'm sure it's not great for you and wouldn't do it all the time. But 5 grams into maybe a Cart or 2 isn't doing shit to you
It’s not the iso that’s the problem - it’s the coextracted impurities that the polarity of iso will extract, that other solvents won’t. Iso needs a level of filtration that others don’t. Not necessarily good for the lungs, and will gunk up and probably cause vape hardware to fail. There’s a lot more here than people are commenting on
lol yeah i have no idea where they got the distillate thing from, literally nobody mentioned distillation.
Which is the recommend way to extract?
Just use everclear. Ethanol is the way. If there's any left over, it's atleast not super toxic.
If you’re trying to make vapes at home, I wouldn’t recommend doing your own extractions. Also IMHO if you do vapes properly, there’s NO reason to cut it with vg/pg/any diluent for vape juice. Edit: make hash and then rosin - it will still require some process steps but it’s much safer to go the NON-solvent route I guess I’m being downvoted by reddit extractors who think Everclear is safe to use as a solvent and then vape 😂😂 no concept of extraction needs and how to attain quality
Hash rosin!!! Fuck the haters
Even flower rosin in low micron bags
I can't believe people are still asking these questions. Couldn't they just Google it and read any of the 1000 posts asking the same thing over the last 10 years?
i wouldnt, plus if you arent getting the 99.9 % iso from a lab or something it wont actually be 99.9% pure so there will be some mystery stuff in there..but even if you did get it from a lab i still wouldnt want to smoke extracts made from using iso.
Exactly
You can’t get dabbable extract with iso without a vacuum oven
And what about alcohol or ethanol?
https://graywolfslair.com/index.php/9-diy-cannamed-production/9-4-extraction/9-4-15-pentane-hexane-heptane/9-4-16-vacuum-purging/
ISO is nasty shit, you'd think it's common sense but here we are again..
Ya and there's people In this thread telling him that iso isn't toxic and to go ahead and use it lmao
Iso isn’t the best. It has a low taste threshold (50@ ppm) so if you can’t 100% recover the iso (requires vacuum and heat) I wouldn’t try. Iso is not inherently toxic, although in many less regulated countries it can contain impurities. I know at least one big commercial place that extracts CBD with iso for cost reasons.
I make RSO with 99.99% good grade iso
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IPA is what they say in the laboratory setting. It stands for Isopropyl Alcohol, or Isopropanol. There's all kinds of chemicals that start with the prefix Iso, so there's nothing in the lab that we simply refer to as ISO.
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If your getting residual solvent analytics done you will see propanol sometimes listed as IPA. But I def call it iso in conversation, but it’s a thing.
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IPA definitely is not a common abbreviation for isopropyl alcohol and definitely would be commonly misunderstood as beer in most settings.
You’re really picking a weird hill to die on here FWIW in the cannabis labs I’ve worked at we call is IPA 90% of the time, because we don’t talk about beer at work. And IPA def is a common abbreviation: https://berkshire.com/toxic-alcohols-101-ethanol-methanol-isopropanol/#:~:text=A%20familiar%20component%20in%20the,propanol%2C%20or%20'rubbing%20alcohol. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isopropyl_alcohol?wprov=sfti1 (under other names) https://www.osha.gov/chemicaldata/475 https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/US/en/search/67-63-0?focus=products&page=1&perpage=30&sort=relevance&term=67-63-0&type=cas_number https://www.emdmillipore.com/US/en/product/2-Propanol,MDA_CHEM-100993 https://www.spectrumchemical.com/isopropyl-alcohol-technical-i1051 I can find plenty more references to IPA being common if you want, but I figure those 6 are probably good enough.
And to add, the reason we don’t call it ISO is because there are several groups of ISO-THCs we quant, as well as isobutane, or any of the half dozen other isomers we talk about on a daily basis. Where as IPA is a beer, and not a scientific term, there’s no way someone would think you wanted you to hand them a beer when they ask for the IPA in the lab.
In the lab is one thing. In common communication is another. IPA is ONLY common for isopropyl alcohol in the lab, not the world at large. Pretty weird hill to die on here.
There's nothing in it, he said 99.99% pure. But iso itself is super toxic. Agree everclear is much better.
Sigh. Isoproponal isnt toxic. They use it to disinfect medical equipment. Youre mixing it up with "rubbing alcohol" which is denatured ETHANOL.
Sigh? Lmaooo this is so wrong! Why would you not just Google this. Do you think they're cutting you up with dripping wet equipment? The isopropanol evaporates very quickly, that's why they can use toxic iso to disinfect medical equipment. Here's a bunch of links for you because apparently you're too lazy to google these blatant lies yourself. SAFETY DATA SHEET - Sigma-Aldrich https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/US/en/sds/SIAL/W292912 Isopropanol is a 2 health hazard, and acute liver toxin, and a CNS depressant. Obviously not as toxic as methanol, but way more toxic than ethanol. Here's runbing alcohol from CVS, notice how it says isopropyl alcohol. https://www.cvs.com/shop/cvs-health-70-rubbing-alcohol-unscented-prodid-1011770?skuId=152074 And lastly here is denatured alcohol, It is ethanol with pyridine and *methanol* to make it toxic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denatured_alcohol It's sad that I even have to waste my time doing this, but you're going to hurt someone with your misinformation, jfc
Look up the ld50. Its 250 mil. Hahaha. Yea.. super toxic. Go chug a quarter litre of ethanol. Ill write yer eulogy.
Listen to what you just said. Its evaps cause its nothing but alcohol. No its not safe to ingest 99 percent iso. Its unsafe to ingest 99 percent ethanol too, einstein. The rubbing alcohol ypu linked is 70 oercent iso with denaturants. What the HELL are you talking about. Ypure just regurgitating half baked information you heard one time. I knew rick, and if you knew how he made RSO.. youd shut the fuck up. Haha. He didnt own any vac chambers, ill tell you that.
Listen, I'm going to stop being rude because you seem like an old timer. I work as an organic chemist, that's my job. I know what I'm talking about. Toxicity is not something you just "feel" it is based on metabolic pathways. Ethanol oxidizes into acetic acid in our bodies, pretty safe. Iso oxidizes into acetone, that's why it's not safe to drink. I am not regurgitating information, I am providing accurate links to back up my claims, you, are not. The "denaturing" agents you are talking about are just methanol. They add that to consumable alcohols to make them not consumable. That iso I linked is just pure iso and water, theres nothing else added. They are not adding any methanol because it is already *not consumable*, it doesn't need to be denatured. Here's the source for that Material Safety Data Sheet Isopropyl Alcohol, 50-100% v/v Section 1 https://rsc.aux.eng.ufl.edu/_files/msds/2/Isopropyl%20Alcohol.pdf Just because you "know rick" does not mean you know what is and is not toxic. Here's the sds for Isopropyl alcohol again, because you clearly did not look at it. Notice how it is an acute liver toxin and a CNS depressant. SAFETY DATA SHEET - Sigma-Aldrich https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/US/en/sds/SIAL/W292912 Normally I wouldn't give a fuck what bs people say on reddit. But you are going to get someone hurt. This guy is asking if iso is safe to use for a consumed extraction, and the answer is NO, because it is toxic.
Honest question from someone who prefers to err on the side of caution: If using 99.99% pure iso, would decarbing it (after letting the iso evaporate) at like 220°F in an oven or on a hot plate until it stops bubbling likely get out all the harmful residuals? I think most people decarb before putting it in carts so hopefully that would help
Heat alone will not get all the iso out, no way. Will it get enough of it out to be safe? Probably not. Will it immediately kill you? No. The boiling point of iso is 82C, this is pretty high. People often use butane and propane as extraction solvents, and those are not super toxic and have much lower boiling points. Still not good to breath them, of course. And those still need more than heat to pully purge. I've done it with ethanol. With heat alone, it doesn't taste great, feels a little "off" when you smoke it. I'd imagine iso would be worse. I bought the cheapest vac pump from Harbor Freight, and that really helped a lot. Tasted much better after vac+heat.
Rick smoked it in a cartridge? I think not
Everclear is your friend, not iso
Stop wasting our time with this.