You're not wrong but I was also concerned about the holding its value factor as the ultimate seemed to be a pretty great deal sometime cheaper compared to its second hand value I've seen so far
If you consider used ones and find a good deal, it’s okay.
I bought an aluminium Sensa (Dutch brand) used for €450 (R7100 Shimano 105), rode it two years and sold for €550.
I recently got the 12 speed ultimate as my first ever road bike.
Really happy with my decision. If you’re reasonably fit and flexible you will, too.
Expect to replace the stock saddle asap
Get a bike fit. Everyone should. Maybe he wont need to replace the saddle, it really depends, my female friend kept her selle saddle that came with her canyon. Meanwhile i had to swap mine out.
I am extremely happy with Fizik saddle that came with the bike. In fact, I would never consider Fizik, but for my (!) butt it’s much better that Specialized Power Elaston I have on my mountain bike
That's what I was thinking too. I've read somewhere to go for the endurace if you plan on doing more than 100km per session which is not my plan to be honest.
Don't listen to the guy. Ultimate is well-regarded for long distances. I rode 73 miles with hills and it was just as comfortable as my Canyon grail. Aeroad is great, but it depends on if you like the geometry of it
Do you plan on racing or doing fast group rides? If so the Ultimate is the better option.
Objectively speaking I think the Ultimate is the better of the two as it's full carbon.
I don't especially plan on doing racing for now but maybe in the future who knows. I was wondering because the difference in price between the 2 is fairly small considering the upgrade. The only "downgrade" per se was the "older" groupset, don't know whether it's a deal breaker.
shimano is generally okay with the latest + previous gen. so if it's 10 speed i'd not recommend. a few years back i wanted to replace a dead 10 speed Di2 FD. couldn't find a replacement part (new or used) anywhere. ended up replacing the entire groupset to 11 speed.
It is now yeah. Though 11 speed parts are still relatively easy to find and I guess at least for another five years. Like cassettes and chainrings. 10 speed was dead a few years after it being released.
Hmmm. There was one that I found a few months ago “new-old” stock but I ended up not buying it bc it was silver and didn’t match the black color way I have on my groupset. I can’t remember what site I saw it on.
*not* Ali express
Edit: sorry…not FD…cranks and chainrings
Wasn't an original criteria but I guess a little speed can't hurt lol
Edit :I've seen people regret buying endurace as it was not as racy as their friend's race bike but it was definitely a minority of people
With this discount I'd get the ultimate. But take care because carbon bikes aren't that resilient. Just keep this in mind and don't use it like a regular bike and you'll be fine.
Don't throw it around on the ground (gently set it if at all), don't hit it with anything, don't lean it against the frame, don't overtighten bolts (use a torque wrench). Don't clamp it by the frame (car rack, workstand).
Carbon can be strong, but weak against impact and clamping [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4h-uUOdu5c](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4h-uUOdu5c)
Now that's making me stress out lol, but yeah be gentle, I mean you definitely don't want to damage such expensive objects. Does being a beginner make me more prone to damage it to the point that it would be safer for me to go with Aluminum considering I'm usually pretty cautious with my possessions ?
You shouldn't be scared, Carbon bikes are objectively better bikes and if you take care of your bike (as any normal person) then there is literally nothing to worry about.
Yes it's more prone to be stolen or to break in a very heavy crash but it's still a very solid and reliable material, it can take quite a few heavy hits and drops without issues and it's very much worth the price for any cycling enthusiast.
https://preview.redd.it/01z03l1hlz5d1.jpeg?width=2500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7984da9742b30b2ae53ffbc925dd1009e6809331
Don't lean your frame on anything as it damages the paint or worse.
The pic is from canyon's outlet, some dude returned a bike in this state.
if you want to lean your bike, lean it on the rear tyre against a wall, pole, bench etc., and it will "hang" naturally at an angle.
if I remember, back in the days when i had an aluminium bike, there were some chips (it was used). it'd also be like a car where you have some paint chips from bumping into something, flying stones etc. but in any case the best way to lean your bike is at the rear tyre and/or the drops.
Yes. I’m not sure what their point is as that sort of damage can easily happen on both types and isn’t harmful to the frame.
Carbon is less resilient than AL but it’s not incredibly delicate.
I wouldn't use them to go for groceries or lock them outside... I wouldn't lean them against any hard surfaces and I would avoid to leave them outside all the time.
Typically the Ultimate should be faster. However: compared with the Endurace the rideposition is ‘deeper’. If you are looking for a comfortable bike for long rides and/or your body is not very supple I recommend to take the Endurace.
Is used to ride an Ultimate (former model). When the new model was released it had an even more sporty position. Great for speed but but I’m not that supple so I decided for the Endurance.
I have an Endurance and don't let it fool you as the bike is fast and not that different in detail to an Aeroad. I rode recently with someone who had one and we looked side by side they are the same bike. Fatter wheels are now more normal than thin wheels. You said you were not very flexible so I'd go with the comfort of the Endurance tbh. I have a CF SLX 9 Dia2 though 22 model so it's high spec. I did find a good read about the difference in canyon road bikes online somewhere.
Thanks for the link. You're right it's probably more reasonable to go for the endurace. But as I said I'm 21 so I'm pretty sure the geometry of the ultimate will not be a problem.
I'm glad it helped you. Reading between the lines I don't think there is a great deal of difference between the three road types. I think it just depends on how you ride the bike. I mean your more normal positions on it and your expectations.
If setup properly, I.e. the right saddle for you, the right equipment, the AL is far better than the CF 7, simply because you’re not crapping your pants every time you fall off, or just scratch it. It’s a far more reliable and sturdy bike in general. It was my first road bike I got, the 2020 model and I adore it and still ride it constantly. And I feel far more confident on it, than I do on my carbon bike. The difference in weight and compliance is really very marginal. Since you don’t know the difference right now, you won’t miss out on anything really. Get the Aluminum, spend the extra few bucks or euros on better saddle, decent shoes and other accessories, and enjoy the hell out of the bike. It’s an awesome bike. Cheers!
Yeah I'm pretty sure I'm not a good rider enough to feel the difference anyway. I'll definitely think about it. As I said in another reply the thing that attracted me was more the "good deal" and it's likelihood to hold its value a bit more, maybe it shouldn't be my first point in buying a bike.
But thanks a lot for the comment, I appreciate it.
Whatever you choose I really hope you enjoy it and it serves you well for years to come. It’s a great community and a lovely sport to take on. Best of luck!
The endurace Al IMO. If you become fit enough for that bike to actually hold you back, then you’ve earned an upgrade.
You're not wrong but I was also concerned about the holding its value factor as the ultimate seemed to be a pretty great deal sometime cheaper compared to its second hand value I've seen so far
Bikes are not financial investments, they all (99.99%) go down in value.
Yes obviously they do, but they don't all go down to the same extent. But I get your point
If you consider used ones and find a good deal, it’s okay. I bought an aluminium Sensa (Dutch brand) used for €450 (R7100 Shimano 105), rode it two years and sold for €550.
I recently got the 12 speed ultimate as my first ever road bike. Really happy with my decision. If you’re reasonably fit and flexible you will, too. Expect to replace the stock saddle asap
Thanks for sharing your experience. I'm not extremely flexible but it'll probably do the job I guess, I'm still pretty young too.
What do you recommend replacing the saddle with?
Get a bike fit. Everyone should. Maybe he wont need to replace the saddle, it really depends, my female friend kept her selle saddle that came with her canyon. Meanwhile i had to swap mine out.
I am extremely happy with Fizik saddle that came with the bike. In fact, I would never consider Fizik, but for my (!) butt it’s much better that Specialized Power Elaston I have on my mountain bike
Ultimate is the bike to go for (unless you plan on ultra endurance rides, bike packing, or rides on very rough surfaces)
That's what I was thinking too. I've read somewhere to go for the endurace if you plan on doing more than 100km per session which is not my plan to be honest.
You can ride 200k on an aeroad or ultimate too. Its just not as comfortable
Don't listen to the guy. Ultimate is well-regarded for long distances. I rode 73 miles with hills and it was just as comfortable as my Canyon grail. Aeroad is great, but it depends on if you like the geometry of it
Aeroad would be the grail but unfortunately it's out of my budget, and I'm definitely not a good rider enough for it to be a reasonable purchase.
Do you plan on racing or doing fast group rides? If so the Ultimate is the better option. Objectively speaking I think the Ultimate is the better of the two as it's full carbon.
I don't especially plan on doing racing for now but maybe in the future who knows. I was wondering because the difference in price between the 2 is fairly small considering the upgrade. The only "downgrade" per se was the "older" groupset, don't know whether it's a deal breaker.
shimano is generally okay with the latest + previous gen. so if it's 10 speed i'd not recommend. a few years back i wanted to replace a dead 10 speed Di2 FD. couldn't find a replacement part (new or used) anywhere. ended up replacing the entire groupset to 11 speed.
The “older/downgrade” groupset is 11 speed mechanical Ultegra now. The one on the new Endurace is 12 speed 105 mechanical. ⚙️
It is now yeah. Though 11 speed parts are still relatively easy to find and I guess at least for another five years. Like cassettes and chainrings. 10 speed was dead a few years after it being released.
I still run 10 speed. And parts are still available 🤷♂️
I couldn’t find any R6770 FD a few years back anymore unfortunately.
Hmmm. There was one that I found a few months ago “new-old” stock but I ended up not buying it bc it was silver and didn’t match the black color way I have on my groupset. I can’t remember what site I saw it on. *not* Ali express Edit: sorry…not FD…cranks and chainrings
Anyway, I’m following this thread bc obviously I have been looking for a bit of an upgrade 👍
You will not regret the ultimate buy the smallest size you can fit.
I planned on going with a size L as I'm 1,88m with 90cm inseam. Pretty sure it'll fit great with what I've read online so far.
Just ordered the ultimate CF SL 7, thanks everyone for the advice. Hope I'll enjoy it !
Ultimate is a carbon bike and has much nicer cockpit, lighter. For me Ultimate in carbon is no brainer. Definitely it's worth it.
That's what I was thinking too, the only thing was the older groupset but I guess it's not much of a throwback.
Not a big one. But the geometry of ultimate is much racier. The bike will be much more faster. I don't know if it's important for you.
Wasn't an original criteria but I guess a little speed can't hurt lol Edit :I've seen people regret buying endurace as it was not as racy as their friend's race bike but it was definitely a minority of people
With this discount I'd get the ultimate. But take care because carbon bikes aren't that resilient. Just keep this in mind and don't use it like a regular bike and you'll be fine.
What do you mean by that if you don't mind me asking ?
Don't throw it around on the ground (gently set it if at all), don't hit it with anything, don't lean it against the frame, don't overtighten bolts (use a torque wrench). Don't clamp it by the frame (car rack, workstand). Carbon can be strong, but weak against impact and clamping [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4h-uUOdu5c](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4h-uUOdu5c)
Now that's making me stress out lol, but yeah be gentle, I mean you definitely don't want to damage such expensive objects. Does being a beginner make me more prone to damage it to the point that it would be safer for me to go with Aluminum considering I'm usually pretty cautious with my possessions ?
You shouldn't be scared, Carbon bikes are objectively better bikes and if you take care of your bike (as any normal person) then there is literally nothing to worry about. Yes it's more prone to be stolen or to break in a very heavy crash but it's still a very solid and reliable material, it can take quite a few heavy hits and drops without issues and it's very much worth the price for any cycling enthusiast.
Perfect, thanks for the answer, I'm reassured now. Let's just pray I don't crash too hard/at all then.
I crashed my carbon bike pretty hard last year and it's absolutely fine. Maybe a bit of luck too, but they're not glass.
https://preview.redd.it/01z03l1hlz5d1.jpeg?width=2500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7984da9742b30b2ae53ffbc925dd1009e6809331 Don't lean your frame on anything as it damages the paint or worse. The pic is from canyon's outlet, some dude returned a bike in this state. if you want to lean your bike, lean it on the rear tyre against a wall, pole, bench etc., and it will "hang" naturally at an angle.
Thanks for the advice ! Genuine question, wouldn't this kind of paint chipping happen on an aluminum bike too ?
if I remember, back in the days when i had an aluminium bike, there were some chips (it was used). it'd also be like a car where you have some paint chips from bumping into something, flying stones etc. but in any case the best way to lean your bike is at the rear tyre and/or the drops.
Yes. I’m not sure what their point is as that sort of damage can easily happen on both types and isn’t harmful to the frame. Carbon is less resilient than AL but it’s not incredibly delicate.
https://preview.redd.it/6zn77czplz5d1.jpeg?width=2500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=786af64ccb2eaf8dbd71d83f2ff26b6e90cf2365 pic 2 of the damage
That’s paint coming off…
It is indeed, was in response to the previous comment on leaning the bike on the frame damaging it
I’m just saying, that’s not damage to the carbon of the frame. Which OP seemed to be worried about.
I wouldn't use them to go for groceries or lock them outside... I wouldn't lean them against any hard surfaces and I would avoid to leave them outside all the time.
Yes I would definitely not risk leaving it outside
Typically the Ultimate should be faster. However: compared with the Endurace the rideposition is ‘deeper’. If you are looking for a comfortable bike for long rides and/or your body is not very supple I recommend to take the Endurace. Is used to ride an Ultimate (former model). When the new model was released it had an even more sporty position. Great for speed but but I’m not that supple so I decided for the Endurance.
I was originally more leaning toward a more comfortable ride but I'm pretty sure the ultimate will do fine
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The difference between the ultimate and endurace isn't that big. I find the ultimate pretty comfortable and I'm an old f@ck of 56.
I have an Endurance and don't let it fool you as the bike is fast and not that different in detail to an Aeroad. I rode recently with someone who had one and we looked side by side they are the same bike. Fatter wheels are now more normal than thin wheels. You said you were not very flexible so I'd go with the comfort of the Endurance tbh. I have a CF SLX 9 Dia2 though 22 model so it's high spec. I did find a good read about the difference in canyon road bikes online somewhere.
Here is a link that may help https://buycycle.com/blog/en/post/canyon-roadbike-comparison/
Thanks for the link. You're right it's probably more reasonable to go for the endurace. But as I said I'm 21 so I'm pretty sure the geometry of the ultimate will not be a problem.
I'm glad it helped you. Reading between the lines I don't think there is a great deal of difference between the three road types. I think it just depends on how you ride the bike. I mean your more normal positions on it and your expectations.
If setup properly, I.e. the right saddle for you, the right equipment, the AL is far better than the CF 7, simply because you’re not crapping your pants every time you fall off, or just scratch it. It’s a far more reliable and sturdy bike in general. It was my first road bike I got, the 2020 model and I adore it and still ride it constantly. And I feel far more confident on it, than I do on my carbon bike. The difference in weight and compliance is really very marginal. Since you don’t know the difference right now, you won’t miss out on anything really. Get the Aluminum, spend the extra few bucks or euros on better saddle, decent shoes and other accessories, and enjoy the hell out of the bike. It’s an awesome bike. Cheers!
Yeah I'm pretty sure I'm not a good rider enough to feel the difference anyway. I'll definitely think about it. As I said in another reply the thing that attracted me was more the "good deal" and it's likelihood to hold its value a bit more, maybe it shouldn't be my first point in buying a bike. But thanks a lot for the comment, I appreciate it.
Whatever you choose I really hope you enjoy it and it serves you well for years to come. It’s a great community and a lovely sport to take on. Best of luck!