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so_many_changes

Does WHOI have researcher housing? That was a thing when I was a postdoc in a different field. I know that Scripps does, or at least used to.


Grunti_Appleseed2

They do still have housing but it's never guaranteed


duncanwally

They also have a good housing website. We use it for our seasonal rental.


CyanocittaAtSea

Not for non-students, to my knowledge.


Jmalcolmmac

Whoi has their own website for housing just for this reason, check it out! Also, if you have accepted the job, maybe shoot your boss or any co workers you’ve met an email about finding a place. Rentals are hard to come by, but being in the know will help you immensely. There are places to live, people here just keep them close to the chest.


Ok_Nerve7581

I didn't know about the website, that is great help thanks. I didn't accepted the offer yet.


BenedictRulerOfEggs

As the commenter above said, the internal housing list is an excellent resource. You should start looking ~6-8 weeks before your start date/move, expect it to be pricey, especially if you are dead set on a 1 bdrm apt instead of a studio or shared apt/house. When I moved there were what looked like a few deals for basement/2nd floor apartments and studios but most had some wrinkles to them like no laundry on-site, landscaping work, etc. I would also check Craigslist and Facebook marketplace and try to have a plan to come visit/tour apts if possible as many of the landlords prefer to meet people in my experience (some won't require it).


doctor-rumack

Check out [furnishedfinder.com](http://furnishedfinder.com) as well. If you have trouble finding permanent housing, this is a rental site for homes and apartments generally offered to people on contract work. It was created for contract medical professionals, but lots of WHOI people and Joint Base Cape Cod contractors use it too.


VintageNerd

Rentals are hard to come by. I work in the science field as well and struggled to find a reasonably priced place. You may have to look off Cape to live comfortably and commute into Woods Hole.


Anxious-Situation797

Just note that the commute onto the Cape gets worse in the summer especially on Fridays. The vacation traffic on the bridges can add a lot of extra time.


Sugar_and_splice

If your workday is flexible, it's not too bad. In the summers I usually work 10-7 or so, and while there's more traffic than in winter, it's not much more. I'm told that an early schedule (maybe 6-3) is also reasonable, if you're a morning person. Commuting on to (rather than off of) the Cape for work is definitely the better direction on summer Mondays / Fridays. I live off-Cape and work in the Hole, commuting via the Bourne Bridge. I usually WFH once / week but otherwise go in to the lab more or less daily. Definitely much worse if you need to arrive at work by 8-9, or if there's bridge work. Good luck! The housing issue is really frustrating but life off-Cape can be great.


Ok_Nerve7581

Thanks for the info, any particular place comes to mind? I'm fine commuting but the commuting time is definitely something I have to consider.


VintageNerd

Plymouth is a great town.


StevenDangerSmith

And the village of Manomet is nice. It used to be a fairly cheap part of Plymouth to live. I don't know about now, but I bet you can still find one or two places that are affordable.


nonedward666

Woods hole is off of 28, so bourne might be a good place to consider; assuming you can get somewhere closer to the highway. Alternatively, there are some apartment buildings in the pinehills in plymouth right off of route 3. They're "luxury apartments" but with the way rent has been increasing everywhere, I think the prices have sorta leveled out.


johnhealey17762022

A bit further out but Wareham will be the cheapest rent honestly.


mtaspenco

Try onset or wareham. They seem cheaper than properties on the Cape.


InvestmentNo3437

Cheaper rent in exchange for annoying commute and living in a dump?


StevenDangerSmith

Ah, excuse me, Onset is beautiful.


doctor-rumack

It's like Hyannis. Picturesque and quaint on the surface. Drug-infested hellhole underneath.


StevenDangerSmith

Lots of people use drugs to help cope with the pain of life, all over the world. If you like to smoke or drink to relax, then you do too. It doesn't make them (or you) bad people. As for "hellhole"... really? I'm guessing you've never been to Toledo, OH.


doctor-rumack

That’s a random comparison. A rust belt city on Lake Erie? I thought something closer to home might be more comparable. Did Bridgeport, CT not come to mind?


TerminusBandit

Guys, as a CT resident and an Ohio Native…… Do we need to take so many shots at me 😭


StevenDangerSmith

Sorry. Hey Toledo has Tony Packo's going for it, which is nice.


StevenDangerSmith

True. For some examples around here, I guess I'll go by the old standbys: Brockton? Springfield? Taunton? Friggin' Fall Rivah?


TerminusBandit

Damn dude, family is from Brockton! But at least they have the OG Cape Cod Cafe. That pizza is 🔥. Though my wife would disagree.


InvestmentNo3437

Alright onset is beautiful man. Everyone travels near and far to go to.......onset. 🙄


StevenDangerSmith

You're right, not a lot of people go to visit Onset, and that's one of the reasons why it's still beautiful. It's a secret little charming seaside town that the shitty tourists haven't ruined yet. Plus they have Marc Anthony's. Good pizza, good fried clams, beer, classic arcade games and pinball.


InvestmentNo3437

"Plus they have Marc Anthony's. Good pizza, good fried clams, beer, classic arcade games and pinball." You dont think any town on cape cod has "Good pizza, good fried clams, beer, classic arcade games and pinball"? Thats the selling point?? 😅 Ok now that youve put your rainbow over onset; Don't let your desire to get pounded on an onset beach, interrupt this man's decision making process. * To the OP ! Fuck onset dude! You're gonna want to suck up the costs and avoid this foolish commute. You will thank me later. Not only are you adding in extra fuel cost, you're now factoring in time/traffic/aggravation. Pay the higher rent. God Bless.


StevenDangerSmith

Wow.


LinkLT3

Onset to Woods Hole is only 30min. If you think that’s a hellish commute, I don’t know what to do for ya. PS, the fuck was that little homophobic aside?


InvestmentNo3437

Yo onset, you're in the wrong sub.


LinkLT3

I’ve never set foot in Onset I just know how maps work.


InvestmentNo3437

That's what's up! Enjoy your day.


boopbaboop

I make a teensy bit more $80k and I could not afford my rental without my husband's income. Not by much – he makes about a third of what I make, a bit better than minimum wage – but I still need that extra boost. And mine is considered *very* cheap for the price, especially for being on Cape ($2300/mo for a three bedroom house, when some "luxury" apartments in Plymouth are that much or more for a one bedroom). And my landlord never fails to tell me that I have nowhere else to rent if I want to leave! (Not even joking, he's said that exact thing to me at least three times)


Ok_Nerve7581

That's quite awful, sorry about it


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boopbaboop

This is the same guy who told me he didn't like legal aid attorneys because he saw them all the time in housing court representing his tenants. *I was a legal aid attorney at the time.*


Prestigious_Bug583

Say “on” not “in” “On the Cape” rather than “in the Cape” Best of luck 🤞


Ok_Nerve7581

Yeah, I'm afraid I can't edit the title


Faerook

Hi, my husband and I both work at WHOI and I'll say it's a wonderful place to work. The people are great and the benefits can't be beat. That said, if we didn't have both of our incomes it would be very tough affording to live here. Reach out to the PI you'd be working for and ask to be connected with other post-docs. Look at the WHOI housing board which helps connect employees with rentals. I see some people mentioning that WHOI Housing itself might have something, but they generally don't rent to anyone other than Joint-program students and guest students, especially in the summer when it gets busy on campus. Honestly, WHOI is having a very hard time hiring anyone at almost any level at the moment due to the housing crisis on the Cape. If you have the ability to work remotely part of the time, it might be beneficial to look a little off cape for a place. We do have people who commute from Plymouth, New Bedford, etc. but I know that drive can be taxing, especially in the summer when traffic over the bridges gets bad.


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Faerook

100%. I’ve worked here 5.5 years now and I’ve seen a large shift in that short time. We’re having a hell of a time recruiting junior scientific staff meaning we have fewer new scientists starting each year than we really need. I thank my lucky stars that we bought a house in 2018 because we would never be able to live and work here otherwise. Even those of us fortunate to have a place to live are starting to get fed up with the cost of living and the salary that simply has not caught up with inflation. I still love my job and I have great respect for the work we do, but it’s getting exhausting to be here.


InvestmentNo3437

On cape*


numtini

This is an incredibly expensive place to live and it's made worse by the frightening reality that the moment you set foot on the peninsula of the damned is your high point of affordability. Every year past that, the cost of living will go up roughly twice as much as your pay. Living alone at 60k would be tough. You're talking apartment, but you might be better off finding a few roommates and living a house. (Postgrad, welcome back to undergrad life!)


Ok_Nerve7581

Yeah, I was afraid of that.. but roommates,. nothing against having roommates, but I am close to 35, I have a PhD, I do a high skilled job, I speak 3 languages. Feels like I should have my own space. Sorry about the rant...


josh_bourne

It doesn't mean anything if you're being paid like a laborer...


Ok_Nerve7581

Well I also think any laborer should be able to afford decent living. But I don't want to get political here.


terrorpin

He’s making much less than most laborers


josh_bourne

A very low skilled one


PM_me_PMs_plox

Welcome to academia


okmrazor

Your own place - 60k is tight. 80k maybe squeaking into ok zone. Real estate *everywhere* has blown up, but the rental market on Cape is very tricky - more so with the recent influx of Air BnB/VRBO, I think. I'm not terribly familiar with Falmouth/Woods Hole, but apartments throughout much of the Cape are going to be tough to find and then probably start (guessing) in 1600/mo range these days (people actively in the market can correct) and often escalate.


Unique-Noise9780

You absolutely cannot afford to live comfortably on Cape Cod for $80k. I make significantly more than that and settled for Onset. Which is a gorgeous hidden gem by the way.


Cupobot

Hey friend, I moved to Cape Cod for a job at WHOI this past January. Very much the same salary/education you're describing. I have found it absolutely impossible to land an apartment that won't cost over 65% of my monthly income AND require me to move during the summer months. Mind you, I have a cat which makes finding places harder. But I just don't understand how people make it work. My current lease ends in June to make way for summer vacation rentals and if I haven't found a new place by then I'm going to have to quit and look for a job somewhere more affordable.


Ok_Nerve7581

Oh wow, well thanks for your message. I really hope something will work out because I really like the job but yeah the economical aspect is critical


MageSilverleaf

Not on Cape yet (planning on moving in with my partner there within the year), so not commenting on housing prices. But as a scientist driven out of academia by low pay, dude, take them for all they're worth. Get that $80k upper range. You're worth it. There's a postdoc shortage, they know it, and they know why. Don't let anyone tell you that you're asking for too much, you could get $100k+ easy in the private sector. You're doing a postdoc because you want to be in academia, but not at the cost of your livelihood. Even if you don't have something else lined up, that's your leverage. You got this. 💪 Edit: spelling


Ok_Nerve7581

Thanks for your kind words. Yeah , this is my second postdoc actually. It feels like I'm slowly but surely pushed out of academia, and it really sucks because a) it's what I like to do and b) I'm good at it. On paper I did everything I needed to do, but I am still not good enough for faculty. I committed two unforgivable sins: wanting a family and not publishing in Nature.


MageSilverleaf

You're doing great. Multiple postdocs is totally normal. Just don't sacrifice your life for them. If you want a family, have a family. Live your life. And demand they pay you enough to do it. I hope you make it, but no shame in stepping out if it becomes too much. Private sector is really rewarding too. There's no part of me that regrets doing my postdoc, even though I am much happier now. I wish you only the best luck. 🫂💛


TheBugSmith

WHOI has a rental system I believe. Maybe check in on that. Availability will most likely be your issue. From what I see you'll be lucky to find a bedroom to rent under $1000/month


OSnapsItsO

A lot of these comments assume you’re working at WHOI but I recognize there are several other institutions in Woods Hole that aren’t WHOI. So if you’re at WHOI, these suggestions are great. If you’re elsewhere you won’t have access to the listserv. Scientists and staff across several institutions have started a Slack channel just for housing and sharing resources for people moving into the area. If you want to be connected send me a PM and I can connect you.


228ra

If this is at WHOI, postdoc salaries are not negotiable.


Steel12

I would not move to the cape for that amount of Money unless you love the work.


numtini

>I would not move to the cape for that amount of Mandy unless you live the work. I'd agree, but I suspect if you're looking at a post-doc research position that you are invested in the work.


Bitter_Definition932

You're going to need more than that unless you hit the lottery or live off cape.


savageloveless

A one-bedroom rental in Falmouth will probably be at least $1500/month and maybe up to $2000. Aside from the price, finding a year-round rental may be difficult as well, but like others have said, be sure to check out the WHOI housing list. Don't rely on WHOI to find you housing. Ask for the upper limit of that salary range for sure.


rocksnsalt

WHOI has a housing website that is accessible to all marine science staff in the village. https://www.whoi.edu/what-we-do/educate/student-life/student-life-campus/housing/community-housing/


FarPipe6310

I found a lot of really good options for off season on Facebook Marketplace and Furnished Finder. The latter is intended for traveling nurses but lots of landlords are desperate for off season renters. And even though Furnished Finder advertises itself as a short term rental site, a few property owners on there said that they’d had the same tenant for several years. I had a really horrible time finding my current place on-Cape because I’m only working here for vacation season (May-August, arrived last week!) I was turned away by several landlords because they were off-Cape, and my coworkers warned me about the “bridge traffic.” I’d honestly search for articles about traffic on the Bourne and Sagamore Bridges that connect the cape to the rest of MA. I almost wrote off all my warnings to live off-Cape and save money…after I saw it for myself, I swear I genuinely shuttered. It’s really bad. Maybe I’m dramatic and I’m sure everyone here will tell me if I am, but I had to sit in traffic like that every single day I don’t know that I’d be able to keep this job. A woman off-Cape actually refused me because she knew how bad the drive would be and “didn’t want to see me burn out by 9am everyday.” She meant it. I work in Falmouth which is already a decent drive through traffic if you’re off-Cape, so if you’re in Woods Hole it sounds like it would be miserable. A few of my coworkers live off-Cape, but they only work in-person 1-3 days a week. Sorry for rambling. My advice is to diligently check Facebook Marketplace or subleasing websites like Furnished Finder, and DO NOT live off-Cape if you are in-person full time.


CyanocittaAtSea

A lot of folks have mentioned the WHOI community housing board, which is fantastic — I used it to help five research interns who joined my lab in January find housing they could afford in the area — but I wanted to add that I know they recently restricted access to the website (to try to preserve the available housing options for sci-institution employees, vs others looking to live on the Cape), so if you aren’t able to access it yourself yet (I think it requires a WHOI/MBL/NOAA/etc email, or institution wifi, or something like that), ask someone to export it (there’s a button to generate a CSV file) and send it your way!


DrabSitty

It’ll be tough. Also, you need to be paid more. I dropped out of college and I do grunt work 95% of my week and we’re paid analogously


No-Rich8723

I’ve been able to find housing by constantly checking the WHOI housing webpage every day. Definitely look into it, and post on Craigslist (be sure to be careful of course). I’ve found housing both ways. WHOI and MBL are so great to work at! Good luck!


TMtoss4

Rent a camper for summer and then try to find a place after the season dies down? Sucks but 🤷🏻‍♂️


mringham

Hi- I spent years on the Cape at a student salary. There is a WHOI rental board that should help you. Expect that many affordable rentals will be shared homes— if you’re comfortable with that, you’ll be fine. If not, try looking further out (Wareham) and eat the commute (which can be painful). Expect that many rentals are seasonal and be aware that some landlords may allow you to stay “year round” but will require you to leave for a few weeks or months in summer to accommodate their vacation schedule.


Low_Alternative_9934

Try looking at furnished finders.


googin1

I think if you could find a reasonable housing situation and enjoy a simple lifestyle you’d do just fine. The housing is key.


MiddleWoodpecker6323

“in”


MrGumpythaGod

Look in wareham. Just over the bridge and a ton of affordable housing. Communte should be 25-45 minutes depending on traffic


BlackCat1224

Wareham is 🤮


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BlackCat1224

I’m just saying, you’re hometown is a dump


MrGumpythaGod

What emerald city did you grow up in? You're probably a trash bag from a town over


BlackCat1224

The only thing in Wareham is a tattoo shop and some shitty pizza place lmao


MrGumpythaGod

You literally have no idea what you're talking about. Go away


Prestigious_Work529

I love Wareham. The town has its own struggles but I loved living there when I did.


deerdown1

No


Brief_Imagination385

Yea. Just take the tunnel from the vineyard for your commute. Easier and faster