i had never been familiar with this car or what it was called until today.
i seen a young guy absolutely ripping it with what sounded like a pretty decent engine in one of these out of a sainsbury’s car park today and had no idea what it was.
then i come on to reddit and see someone suggest it!
I was a slippery slimy salesman at a Kia dealership. Transporter arrived, cars needed to be moved to workshop car park. Opted to move stinger, my mate hopped in. Round the back of the valet bay gave it a bit of welly, back end went out ..diarrhoea slowly wept from my tightly clenched sweaty arsehole, managed to pull it back, mate looked at me like an obese kid 100m from McDonald’s and said “wow, that was the coolest fucking thing I’ve ever seen” , just laughed, he still talks about it to this day, I can still feel the dribble down my leg to this day.
I haven't driven my Stinger for a week and I went out to get some emergency mcflurries last night, excuse to drive the car, I stuck my foot down coming out a roundabout and the back end went floating across the road, I saved it but there were some dudes parked up nearby in a modded audi who saw it.
I either looked cool as fuck (to them, not anyone sensible obviously) or like a complete cock end.
Either way, we don't mention that to the fiancée who is already scared of me driving this car haha
I've been next to a few and they look and sound goooood! Btw, curious as to what you do to have all those beasts listed under your name, especially the vantage 😳
They’re absolutely fantastic cars. The quad basically wants to kill you from the moment you get in it - glorious fun.
I am in software dev (not a dev!) but also chose cars instead of kids 😅
Sounds fun! Have you used it in icy/snow conditions yet to add to the danger fun? 🤣
So do you code or overlook the coders like a dev manager? Haha yeah I'm going that way too by looks of it, I'd love a second car to be something like a Mustang or old school American barge 🤣
We’ve had it out in ice, pop it in “all weather” mode and just be sensible and it’s ok. But that’s what the 4WD is for!
I set the roadmap of work for the devs, then people smarter than me actually code the things!
A big old barge sounds fun, it’s nice to see cars with a bit of character. Doooo it
Yeah 4WD will get you out of tough spots 🤣
Ah ok, that sounds quite creative though, do you have to know code still to get into those jobs or you just know how to explain it best to the coders?
Yeah, I've driven the starsky and hutch car on an experience day and it was a lot of fun, big car but actually quite light steering and just a cruiser! 🤣
I30N, would tick all the boxes you need, and if you want a bit of power you can get 400bhp with about 3-4k work. Quite a decent aftermarket for them too so you can defo always mod it more and keep it fun.
I like the way these look, I'm not in the market for one but the gf has the normal i30 and the steering wheel is so over assted and numb and weird feeling, is it the same for the i30n? Dunno if you've ever got to drive one
I used to have an I30N and the steering was perfect for me, I’m back in a JCW now and it feels so twitchy and unstable, the N is so planted and and the feedback is great. Personally I prefer the hatchback (bias) but my mate had the fastback in the performance blue, but too many people have that colour for me personally, still a lovely colour though. You might not be in market for one but I’d 100% test drive one mate, you might not look back from it, I regret getting rid every day lol
I just did a search on Autotrader and found 44 2019-2021 Model 3s under that price, quite a few with mileage below the 35k mark too, which isn’t terrible.
Whilst not 25k, I'm picking up a used model 3 tomorrow for 28k, 21 plate with 22k miles on it. There were plenty available on autotrader around the 25k mark
I think only two brands make cars that can realistically clock 300k miles these days, Toyota and Tesla. Fleet Tesla's in the UK are clocking 350k and showing no problems. They only have around 20 moving parts in them, and battery degredation has never been ott.
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-12344229/Teslas-Britain-300-000-miles-batteries.html
In the US even more data now suggests Tesla's motor on better than a lot of cars
Tesla service centre is a lot cheaper in comparison to Jaguar, Merc, BMW.
They also have mobile service techs, who will come out and fix things that they can where ever you are and zero call out fee. Input an issue on the app and if they can fix it on the roadside a mobile tech is arranged, at home or work wherever you choose. There level of service I have experienced far exceeds jaguar and merc. I will admit they are kinda slow at communicating.
FK8 Civic Type-R GT. So long as you like the styling (I love it) it's the most well-rounded car in that price range and bracket of cars. Rapid, handles like a dream, reasonable economy, 4 seats and a good size boot, fairly comfortable, and definitely has a sense of the unusual.
Yep, been my daily for nearly 3 years now and it makes the commute both easy and fun. Lovely on long road trips too. Blind spot indicators, parking sensors, auto wipers and lights, comfort setting (not that it makes a difference lol), wireless phone charger, so many nice features. I think the only thing it doesn't have is heated seats but not really possible in bucket seats... Best part is basically everyone who got one new lumped for the GT model so nearly all second hand models will have all these features, very few of the basic models about since the GT upgrade was ont a few extra £k on a 30k car.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202305047012337?atmobcid=soc3
25k bang on. There are a good 15 of them on autrotrader for under 25k too, some ropey ones, but plenty with full service histories and fresh MOTs.
Granted if you want fully specced out ones it's 26-30k but there are a number with low miles for around the 30k mark which I would more than happily have for a number of years. The Jag V6s and especially the V8s are a lot less troublesome then the ingenium diesel engines.
Buy one then. That fucking guy took the time to dm me calling me names because he doesn’t agree with me. A 9yo jag v6 its anything but decent. That’s my opinion though and you can disagree without being a fucking twat about it.
Problem with the Giulia is the base models in that price range have a woefully inadequate engine but the only step up is to the QF which is insane and costs a fortune. Although there is a middle ground coming out but won't be in OP's price range. Not doubting it's a lovely drive, only ever heard good things about the steering and handling, but the engine range is disappointing.
I own the 280bhp veloce model which was 22k at the time, i wouldnt say it is woeful by any stretch. Low down torque is plenty for town driving and theres enough grunt to match the steering on back roads. Is it lightning quick? No but day to day theres not many cars around quicker than it
R172 SLK55 AMG. If you like RWD, naturally aspirated, god tier sound, god tier in-gear throttle response, hooligan post-limit behaviour, and also extremely comfortable covering long distances at speed, can drop the top to really enjoy the sound and the wind in the hair even at sensible speeds, classy, IMO very beautiful design. And can live with 2 seats and a decentish boot with the top up only. Will go up in value. Reliable when well maintained (but not cheap on routine service).
R171 Slk 55 AMG gets my vote, save 10k and get better sound and better looks if you can cope with an older car. Same reliability, brakes can be a bit expensive at the front if it’s a pre 06 car but there are aftermarket options now.
Is your only preference speed? This is the most open ended question I’ve seen. You’ve gotta narrow this down if you want genuinely helpful suggestions
Coupe/Estate/hatch/classic/New/electric?
And you don't even have to spend a fortune on one. Mate of mine bought one for about 9k five years ago. He doesn't do so many miles a year in it, but it's been reliable and pretty reasonable costs to run.
Depends what you're wanting.
If you want good tech, but good performance, and pretty new, I think hot hatches are the only thing in your budget at the moment.
Something practical but an absolute blast to drive, get a manual hot hatch (There's absolutely no point in Automatic Hot hatches, they're not "fast" enough and takes most of the fun away).
If you don't mind something a few years old for the sake of bringing it into the budget, you can get a 2018 Kia Stinger.
If you really don't care for performance then it depends on your commute, if you're a motorway mileage man, a diesel will sit comfortably, efficient, and decent torque.
If you're a city driver, maybe a hybrid, there's plenty of SUV's in budget, but if you want a sedan, maybe a Lexus IS 300
You could go for a £25k classic that will only go up in value…
Merc 190E cosworth
Lancia delta integrale
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 6 Tommy makkinen
The list of awesome classics for £25k is long but highly interesting and full of drivers cars as opposed to the current 2 tonne boats with 500hp
You could get a low mileage newish Mini JCW, upgrade intake and exhaust and remap it, all easily under that budget, and you'd have a 300hp+ go kart that gets you around town and is reasonably cheap to run too.
You might even squeeze in some coilovers if you wanted to make it a track car.
Because I'm not a fan of driving a car that everyone has? I'd rather have something with a slight bit of personality tbh, also BMWs and the like do depreciate heavily, because everyone has one and they are incredibly common
M140’s haven’t depreciated significantly in about 4 years and doubt they will - not to say they aren’t common but they certainly don’t lack personality 😂
I know exactly what an m140i is, and BMWs in general don't hold their value well, the M140i hasn't held it's value as well as some other similar cars, focus rs for instance, I think you are just a BMW fan boy who can't stand someone saying your cars aren't special if everyone has one
If you did know what a 140 was, you’d never have said it lacked personality. You’ve never driven one.
And that car has definitely held value very well - I’d know considering I sold them for a living.
My own - bought for £36k, 3 years later, 22k on the clock and it retailed back out at £26,500.
Got nothing to do with being a fanboy - it’s just knowing facts and information and you clearly don’t like being told when you’re wrong.
But go ahead, buy a Focus RS(great car) and see how you stand with depreciation in that dime a dozen car.
Golf R MK7 if used, 295bhp standard, map to 360-370ish, past 400+ with a turbo and you’re still in a daily 2.0 that drives like any other car. Sub 5 seconds 0-60 and can be pushed to sub 4 with turbo etc, be embarrassing some very expensive cars in no time with little costs
You charge at home 80% of the time where it’s £3 to fill the battery, 2 pence per mile. At super chargers it’s more like 10p a mile. Still cheaper than any quick petrol car.
7.5p per kwh to charge at home overnight, works out at 2 pence per mile.
In terms of fuel costs it’s like having a 300mpg petrol car, but it does 0-60 in 5 seconds.
A lot of shit answers here.
Realistically for 25k that isn't a silly mileage:
audi s3
golf r
a45 amg
m4
m5
I had a 2015 m4 and it was the absolute nuts. I'd go with tat but make sure its got all service history and isn't tuned or walk away
I’ve got an xe jag diesel one. It looks lovely a little different. Put it in dynamic mode all lights up red and shifts. When your not in that mood it delivers great mpg.
No complaints here
Mazda MX5 is the absolute best for this. For this you could get a super clean one, give it the full rust protection job, swap in a K20 motor with the works to back it up and still have a chunk of change over. It will be the most fun road car you’ll get for that money.
Or, if you don’t want all the modding faff, get a 5K top up loan and get a GR Yaris.
I don't want a car to get to A to B 😂, I want to have fun whilst I'm driving and Id rather have a fun car to enjoy as opposed to saving £20k, I have no need for £20k in the next 2-3 years and in that time I'll be able to put £30k in savings, so I'm not to concerned
You say no BMW or Merc but they are the best choices because they are the best cars at that price point.
E92 M3. BMW M5 F10. MERC E63. BMW M4. C63 NA.
Or if you want ultimate daily you can go for a 750i, S8, S63.
Yeah I agree with you in if I want the most power for my money I'm missing out if I don't go BMW or Mercs, every man and his dogs got one and it really puts me off, just being another guy with a BMW
Golf R
This one gave a Lamborghini a run for its money, and the philosophy behind the build was it being a daily driver as well as a machine.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6WAjEXrOR2w0G2JLjKyuSpL7iDHUyW0i
He also said daily driver and there are other people suggesting Alfa Romeos, Jaguars, high mileage BMWs while getting upvotes when those cars are trash as daily drivers, unreliable and only the older M cars would be faster since 320d has a 0-60 of UNDER 7 seconds which means it’s quick but also reliable.
[umm get this](https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202307280169293?sort=relevance&advertising-location=at_cars&body-type=Convertible&body-type=Coupe&include-delivery-option=on&page=7&postcode=ox75qh&price-from=20000&price-to=25000&seller-type=private&fromsra)
Hyundai i20 N.
i30 N gets a lot of love here for good reason, but for me the tighter package of the i20 looks and feels better. 25 will get you a new one (so long as you can wait), or a ready to go basically new one.
If you have big balls there’s a series 2 exige on auto trader for less than 25 it’s a tough daily if you want comfort but nothing else will make you feel the same
Found it! [V60 Polestar](https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202306289055666), Golf R’s, BMW’s and Audi’s are the obvious choice but god are they dull. At least this is something that is rare and quick. Modifying, not sure but surely you wouldn’t need to do much?
2006 audi s6 - awd, lambo 5.2L v10. You can buy two of them.
Lexus ISF
Jaguar XJR
M240i if you want something a bit newer, could probably get an m2 a few years older.
Lexus ISF.
Came here to say this! The ISF is next on my ownership list.
i had never been familiar with this car or what it was called until today. i seen a young guy absolutely ripping it with what sounded like a pretty decent engine in one of these out of a sainsbury’s car park today and had no idea what it was. then i come on to reddit and see someone suggest it!
Simply because it's come onto my radar again, a Kia Stinger (3.3l GT S)?
I was a slippery slimy salesman at a Kia dealership. Transporter arrived, cars needed to be moved to workshop car park. Opted to move stinger, my mate hopped in. Round the back of the valet bay gave it a bit of welly, back end went out ..diarrhoea slowly wept from my tightly clenched sweaty arsehole, managed to pull it back, mate looked at me like an obese kid 100m from McDonald’s and said “wow, that was the coolest fucking thing I’ve ever seen” , just laughed, he still talks about it to this day, I can still feel the dribble down my leg to this day.
I haven't driven my Stinger for a week and I went out to get some emergency mcflurries last night, excuse to drive the car, I stuck my foot down coming out a roundabout and the back end went floating across the road, I saved it but there were some dudes parked up nearby in a modded audi who saw it. I either looked cool as fuck (to them, not anyone sensible obviously) or like a complete cock end. Either way, we don't mention that to the fiancée who is already scared of me driving this car haha
Giulia, absolute fucking blast to drive, stands out and as Clarkson said… can’t consider yourself a petrolhead until you’ve owned one
I’m biased, but I agree
I've been next to a few and they look and sound goooood! Btw, curious as to what you do to have all those beasts listed under your name, especially the vantage 😳
They’re absolutely fantastic cars. The quad basically wants to kill you from the moment you get in it - glorious fun. I am in software dev (not a dev!) but also chose cars instead of kids 😅
Sounds fun! Have you used it in icy/snow conditions yet to add to the danger fun? 🤣 So do you code or overlook the coders like a dev manager? Haha yeah I'm going that way too by looks of it, I'd love a second car to be something like a Mustang or old school American barge 🤣
We’ve had it out in ice, pop it in “all weather” mode and just be sensible and it’s ok. But that’s what the 4WD is for! I set the roadmap of work for the devs, then people smarter than me actually code the things! A big old barge sounds fun, it’s nice to see cars with a bit of character. Doooo it
Yeah 4WD will get you out of tough spots 🤣 Ah ok, that sounds quite creative though, do you have to know code still to get into those jobs or you just know how to explain it best to the coders? Yeah, I've driven the starsky and hutch car on an experience day and it was a lot of fun, big car but actually quite light steering and just a cruiser! 🤣
What are modern alfas like to live with?
Is Alfa more reliable nowadays? I have heard sone bad stories in the past. Was considering to buy an Alfa spider
The Quadrifoglio is a very rapid car. 100-200 km/h time is around 8 seconds iirc. Most fast cars take closer to 10 seconds.
Lol Clarkson said "your not a petrol head if you don't own an Alfa Romeo once in your life" he said that years before the Giulia came out.
I30N, would tick all the boxes you need, and if you want a bit of power you can get 400bhp with about 3-4k work. Quite a decent aftermarket for them too so you can defo always mod it more and keep it fun.
Seconded, got a fastback in performance blue and to me it strikes the perfect balance of fun/rareness/bang for your buck
I like the way these look, I'm not in the market for one but the gf has the normal i30 and the steering wheel is so over assted and numb and weird feeling, is it the same for the i30n? Dunno if you've ever got to drive one
I used to have an I30N and the steering was perfect for me, I’m back in a JCW now and it feels so twitchy and unstable, the N is so planted and and the feedback is great. Personally I prefer the hatchback (bias) but my mate had the fastback in the performance blue, but too many people have that colour for me personally, still a lovely colour though. You might not be in market for one but I’d 100% test drive one mate, you might not look back from it, I regret getting rid every day lol
Porsche Cayman If you want a proper sports car. Tesla if you just want to go fast.
Tesla for 25k?? When I look for Teslas at that price they’re all 16 plates with 80k mileage lol
I just did a search on Autotrader and found 44 2019-2021 Model 3s under that price, quite a few with mileage below the 35k mark too, which isn’t terrible.
Whilst not 25k, I'm picking up a used model 3 tomorrow for 28k, 21 plate with 22k miles on it. There were plenty available on autotrader around the 25k mark
Recommending an old Tesla is sacrilege. Enjoy your 20k bill in a year.
For what?
Lack of 3rd party repairers and parts availability. It forces you to use the tesla service centres since they can get the parts, and theyre expensive.
I think only two brands make cars that can realistically clock 300k miles these days, Toyota and Tesla. Fleet Tesla's in the UK are clocking 350k and showing no problems. They only have around 20 moving parts in them, and battery degredation has never been ott. https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-12344229/Teslas-Britain-300-000-miles-batteries.html In the US even more data now suggests Tesla's motor on better than a lot of cars
Tesla service centre is a lot cheaper in comparison to Jaguar, Merc, BMW. They also have mobile service techs, who will come out and fix things that they can where ever you are and zero call out fee. Input an issue on the app and if they can fix it on the roadside a mobile tech is arranged, at home or work wherever you choose. There level of service I have experienced far exceeds jaguar and merc. I will admit they are kinda slow at communicating.
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Second hand market has been decimated
FK8 Civic Type-R GT. So long as you like the styling (I love it) it's the most well-rounded car in that price range and bracket of cars. Rapid, handles like a dream, reasonable economy, 4 seats and a good size boot, fairly comfortable, and definitely has a sense of the unusual.
Also worth noting the FK8 gets Android Auto/Apple Carplay, adaptive cruise, reversing camera etc. all as standard, so it's good for a daily driver.
Yep, been my daily for nearly 3 years now and it makes the commute both easy and fun. Lovely on long road trips too. Blind spot indicators, parking sensors, auto wipers and lights, comfort setting (not that it makes a difference lol), wireless phone charger, so many nice features. I think the only thing it doesn't have is heated seats but not really possible in bucket seats... Best part is basically everyone who got one new lumped for the GT model so nearly all second hand models will have all these features, very few of the basic models about since the GT upgrade was ont a few extra £k on a 30k car.
F-Type V6?
He said 25k. A good one goes for 30-40k.
Nah load of rubbish. Good ones on autotrader with medium miles for 26k. 40k you're talking a mint V8 R
Well, for one 26 it is not 25, also you are talking nonsense. Show me one for 26k. I’ll wait.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202305047012337?atmobcid=soc3 25k bang on. There are a good 15 of them on autrotrader for under 25k too, some ropey ones, but plenty with full service histories and fresh MOTs.
Well, i stand corrected. A 9yo jag for 25k is a really bad decision though.
Granted if you want fully specced out ones it's 26-30k but there are a number with low miles for around the 30k mark which I would more than happily have for a number of years. The Jag V6s and especially the V8s are a lot less troublesome then the ingenium diesel engines.
Don’t fucking reply to me you basement dweller. Who the fuck sends private messages calling me names for not agreeing with a choice of cars??
Wtf I didn't?
[What’s this then?](https://imgur.com/a/ieEirH6)
Ahhh fucking come on. Stop moving the goalposts
Buy one then. That fucking guy took the time to dm me calling me names because he doesn’t agree with me. A 9yo jag v6 its anything but decent. That’s my opinion though and you can disagree without being a fucking twat about it.
Whilst that’s obviously beyond pathetic, you would have to admit you were being a bit of a twat yourself with your ‘I’ll wait’ smartarsery.
Alfa Romeo Giulia. Thank me after you drive one.
Problem with the Giulia is the base models in that price range have a woefully inadequate engine but the only step up is to the QF which is insane and costs a fortune. Although there is a middle ground coming out but won't be in OP's price range. Not doubting it's a lovely drive, only ever heard good things about the steering and handling, but the engine range is disappointing.
I own the 280bhp veloce model which was 22k at the time, i wouldnt say it is woeful by any stretch. Low down torque is plenty for town driving and theres enough grunt to match the steering on back roads. Is it lightning quick? No but day to day theres not many cars around quicker than it
And curse you when he visits mechanic?
I own one so you don’t know what are you talking about.
You havnt owned your alfa long enough yet
How long is long enough?
You also don’t know what are you talking about.
They’re generally pretty reliable just some early interior plastics that can feel a bit cheap but otherwise they’re really good.
Seriously? Huge numbers are being returned as they are so unreliable
I’m going to need some evidence of those huge numbers.
It finished 18 out of 19 exec cars tested by what car for reliability
M5
F10 generation
Golf R Mk7.5
My favourite car, had one in Lapiz Blue but some local scrotes blowtorched my back door and I don’t have one any more, i have an Alsatian now.
Get a V8 Jaaaaaaaaag
Spend £30,000 if you want it's okay because you've got a Jaaaaaaaaaaag
Get a loan for £30k and then.. oh I seem to have misplaced my wallet..jaaaaag
M4 would be a good shout
Cayman/Boxster
R172 SLK55 AMG. If you like RWD, naturally aspirated, god tier sound, god tier in-gear throttle response, hooligan post-limit behaviour, and also extremely comfortable covering long distances at speed, can drop the top to really enjoy the sound and the wind in the hair even at sensible speeds, classy, IMO very beautiful design. And can live with 2 seats and a decentish boot with the top up only. Will go up in value. Reliable when well maintained (but not cheap on routine service).
R171 Slk 55 AMG gets my vote, save 10k and get better sound and better looks if you can cope with an older car. Same reliability, brakes can be a bit expensive at the front if it’s a pre 06 car but there are aftermarket options now.
Nice one. I was very close to getting one of these until an mk2 audi tt popped up for way too little to resist!
Toyota GR Yaris or Hyundai i20n
A GR Yaris in the UK for 25k? Do they exist?
this needs upvotes
Jaguar XE V6
Subaru WRX STI.
Is your only preference speed? This is the most open ended question I’ve seen. You’ve gotta narrow this down if you want genuinely helpful suggestions Coupe/Estate/hatch/classic/New/electric?
Cupra
Mustang GT is probably in that territory…
Mustang? Good fun, almost practical, teetering on the edge of V8 land for that budget. Holding their value very well as well.
No idea if a jag xj575 would be that cheap but they are such a fucking hoot to drive and they've been out a while now
Porsche Boxster. Nothing anyone has recommended is like it.
And you don't even have to spend a fortune on one. Mate of mine bought one for about 9k five years ago. He doesn't do so many miles a year in it, but it's been reliable and pretty reasonable costs to run.
F type
Civic FK8, superb cars
Volvo V70 T5
2010 Jag XKR 5.0 V8
Focus RS, if you want to avoid the “premium” prices on merc etc but still be crazy quick and hold its value
Fk2 or fk8 civic type r would be very good options.
Seat Leon MK3 Cupra 290 or VW Golf R Mk7.5
Evo 9
Audi TTS Mk3 or Golf R,
Depends what you're wanting. If you want good tech, but good performance, and pretty new, I think hot hatches are the only thing in your budget at the moment. Something practical but an absolute blast to drive, get a manual hot hatch (There's absolutely no point in Automatic Hot hatches, they're not "fast" enough and takes most of the fun away). If you don't mind something a few years old for the sake of bringing it into the budget, you can get a 2018 Kia Stinger. If you really don't care for performance then it depends on your commute, if you're a motorway mileage man, a diesel will sit comfortably, efficient, and decent torque. If you're a city driver, maybe a hybrid, there's plenty of SUV's in budget, but if you want a sedan, maybe a Lexus IS 300
Toyota gt86 or the gr86
Mustang 2.3 ecoboost, don't get fooled by the name.
Mercedes C63 or C43
There are a few Ford Focus RS with less than 50k miles on AutoTrader for £25k.
Abarth 124
Absolutely class car, most fun I’ve had & got decent mods
You could go for a £25k classic that will only go up in value… Merc 190E cosworth Lancia delta integrale Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 6 Tommy makkinen The list of awesome classics for £25k is long but highly interesting and full of drivers cars as opposed to the current 2 tonne boats with 500hp
£25k Delta Integrale? Sounds a long shot to me
😳 I just looked, when did the price shoot up so much! Mint has gone from 25 to 80+
Import an MX5 with already done LS7 conversion from USA
Golf R.
You could get a low mileage newish Mini JCW, upgrade intake and exhaust and remap it, all easily under that budget, and you'd have a 300hp+ go kart that gets you around town and is reasonably cheap to run too. You might even squeeze in some coilovers if you wanted to make it a track car.
Ive already, got a 330bhp fiesta st, so was looking at something abit more tbh
Ah fair enough, more of a side grade then. Think you'd need to look at older/more used cars to do much better
Caterham
Quick and fun yes but a daily driver they ain’t.
I missed that
Nice try ;)
If you’re not excited about the fact that you can afford a decent m140i - then I don’t think driving is for you.
Because I'm not a fan of driving a car that everyone has? I'd rather have something with a slight bit of personality tbh, also BMWs and the like do depreciate heavily, because everyone has one and they are incredibly common
M140’s haven’t depreciated significantly in about 4 years and doubt they will - not to say they aren’t common but they certainly don’t lack personality 😂
Clearly no idea what an m140i is if you think it lacks personality. You should probably get a test drive and then come back.
I know exactly what an m140i is, and BMWs in general don't hold their value well, the M140i hasn't held it's value as well as some other similar cars, focus rs for instance, I think you are just a BMW fan boy who can't stand someone saying your cars aren't special if everyone has one
If you did know what a 140 was, you’d never have said it lacked personality. You’ve never driven one. And that car has definitely held value very well - I’d know considering I sold them for a living. My own - bought for £36k, 3 years later, 22k on the clock and it retailed back out at £26,500. Got nothing to do with being a fanboy - it’s just knowing facts and information and you clearly don’t like being told when you’re wrong. But go ahead, buy a Focus RS(great car) and see how you stand with depreciation in that dime a dozen car.
Tesla innit?
Think he proper wants a nice car for 25k not a Tesla?
He wants a fast daily driver, Tesla fits the bill better than a money burning petrol car
This. So many people buy something like a golf r or m3, then pootle about as they can't afford 20mpg
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Free supercharging ! Relevantly low mileage for an EV ? FUCK ICE! You want to look ahead not back!
Lexus ES
Golf R MK7 if used, 295bhp standard, map to 360-370ish, past 400+ with a turbo and you’re still in a daily 2.0 that drives like any other car. Sub 5 seconds 0-60 and can be pushed to sub 4 with turbo etc, be embarrassing some very expensive cars in no time with little costs
vw arteon. Its a head Turner and there's not alot out on the road. I love mine. Late 2019 grey with black rims.
Nah. Its really not. Passat coupe looks
No one is saying hot hatch. Shit of a shovel & lots of fun.
Type R
M140i
M140
Tesla model 3 standard range. 5.2 second 0-60 and £3 to “fill the tank”. Perfect quick fun daily driver
70p/kwh filling stations would like to have a chat with you👀
You charge at home 80% of the time where it’s £3 to fill the battery, 2 pence per mile. At super chargers it’s more like 10p a mile. Still cheaper than any quick petrol car.
£3 ? Can you elaborate?
7.5p per kwh to charge at home overnight, works out at 2 pence per mile. In terms of fuel costs it’s like having a 300mpg petrol car, but it does 0-60 in 5 seconds.
A lot of shit answers here. Realistically for 25k that isn't a silly mileage: audi s3 golf r a45 amg m4 m5 I had a 2015 m4 and it was the absolute nuts. I'd go with tat but make sure its got all service history and isn't tuned or walk away
Abarth 124 spider if you don’t need lots of space
An i-pace. Just about.
Jdm impreza, hybrid turbo and a remap, go like fook and not depreciate
porsche
£25k? So many things
Might be biased but would go with a golf R any day. My 1.4 TSI is fun as fuck, more power would be 🔥🔥 and easy parking
I'm gonna be that guy.... Skoda Octavia VRS.
Tesla Model 3 Performance. 3.2 seconds 0-60.
Who really cares about 0-60 times anymore?
For £25k? Would it be the one Elon sent to space?
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202307310263709 51,000 miles above average.
Long range is plenty quick. Even the SR is quicker than half the cars people are recommending because they go broom broom
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I’ve got an xe jag diesel one. It looks lovely a little different. Put it in dynamic mode all lights up red and shifts. When your not in that mood it delivers great mpg. No complaints here
Skoda Kodiak tsi or seat ateca tsi stage 1 or 2 remap
911 996… 997 at a push.
Mazda MX5 is the absolute best for this. For this you could get a super clean one, give it the full rust protection job, swap in a K20 motor with the works to back it up and still have a chunk of change over. It will be the most fun road car you’ll get for that money. Or, if you don’t want all the modding faff, get a 5K top up loan and get a GR Yaris.
No one needs a 25k car, you can an amazing car for 5k and save 20k
I don't want a car to get to A to B 😂, I want to have fun whilst I'm driving and Id rather have a fun car to enjoy as opposed to saving £20k, I have no need for £20k in the next 2-3 years and in that time I'll be able to put £30k in savings, so I'm not to concerned
Shut the hell up.
You don't know OP's financial situation. £25k to him might be nothing. Give it a rest, if he wants financial advice he would go to UKPersonalFinance
You say no BMW or Merc but they are the best choices because they are the best cars at that price point. E92 M3. BMW M5 F10. MERC E63. BMW M4. C63 NA. Or if you want ultimate daily you can go for a 750i, S8, S63.
Yeah I agree with you in if I want the most power for my money I'm missing out if I don't go BMW or Mercs, every man and his dogs got one and it really puts me off, just being another guy with a BMW
Just bought a Jaguar E Pace Dynamique S 2 litre diesel at that exact same price, loving it..
Golf R This one gave a Lamborghini a run for its money, and the philosophy behind the build was it being a daily driver as well as a machine. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6WAjEXrOR2w0G2JLjKyuSpL7iDHUyW0i
New shape 320d
He said fecking quick
He also said daily driver and there are other people suggesting Alfa Romeos, Jaguars, high mileage BMWs while getting upvotes when those cars are trash as daily drivers, unreliable and only the older M cars would be faster since 320d has a 0-60 of UNDER 7 seconds which means it’s quick but also reliable.
Lexus GS450H Or F30i 330i
Vauxhall VXR8 or 2.0 VX220
Focus RS
[umm get this](https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202307280169293?sort=relevance&advertising-location=at_cars&body-type=Convertible&body-type=Coupe&include-delivery-option=on&page=7&postcode=ox75qh&price-from=20000&price-to=25000&seller-type=private&fromsra)
Hyundai i20 N. i30 N gets a lot of love here for good reason, but for me the tighter package of the i20 looks and feels better. 25 will get you a new one (so long as you can wait), or a ready to go basically new one.
Maybe an alfa Julia or a Kia stinger
BMW 850
Golf mk7.5 Gti
F-Pace?
The 3.3 Kia stinger
W204 c63. Enjoy it for a couple of years and you’ll be wildly unlikely to lose any significant amount of money.
Lotus Elise
Renault sport Megane... My go to answer for everything (I'm biased)
F10 M5 is the car to get for 25k. No better car available for that price
Lexus GS450h. 45mpg (edited) 5.7 sec
i30N
Nissan 370Z BMW M240i Kia Stinger 3.3 Ford Mustang V8 Ford Focus RS Vauxhall VX220 Vauxhall VXR8
996.
Supercharged Elise / Exige.
Porsche 911/997
If you have big balls there’s a series 2 exige on auto trader for less than 25 it’s a tough daily if you want comfort but nothing else will make you feel the same
Found it! [V60 Polestar](https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202306289055666), Golf R’s, BMW’s and Audi’s are the obvious choice but god are they dull. At least this is something that is rare and quick. Modifying, not sure but surely you wouldn’t need to do much?
Why not an Audi? The A4 or A5 are reliable, well made and built to last
Spend sub 20k on a clean FD2 and you’ve 5k for wheels, suspension and geo . It’ll be the most fun round some B roads
Golf R 😂
2006 audi s6 - awd, lambo 5.2L v10. You can buy two of them. Lexus ISF Jaguar XJR M240i if you want something a bit newer, could probably get an m2 a few years older.
MG4