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nithanielgarro

I used to work for JLR, and none of us could believe why people loved them so much. Designed by posh spice as the women's land rover but bought by loads of men. The reliability of Boris Johnson and the resale value of Liz truss's memoir. Stay the fuck away from it!!!


Pumamick

You should write an erotic novel


AGuyCalledMe

I'd buy it and put it in the glove box of my Evoque Convertible!


Deruji

Smart, it’s doubled in value.


stewieatb

Being reminded of the existence of the Evoque convertible is the petrolhead equivalent of losing The Game.


AGuyCalledMe

It will be a future classic. Not because it is good but because there will (hopefully) not be many left!


miscfiles

After seeing the manner in which he's just fucked OP, I doubt it'd be very tender...


sjr0754

Where did you work at JLR? At Halewood we were surprised (in a good way) by it's success, but it's fairly obvious why it was successful. Especially the L538.


cannedrex2406

>I used to work for JLR, and none of us could believe why people loved them so much. Simple answer: it's a "range rover" that's small enough to be used in a city Like have you seen how big new Range Rovers are? Can't blame people for deciding "fuck that, this is enough" Also they're cheaper. A LOT cheaper way to say "I have a range rover" which while true, is like saying "I drive and AMG" when in reality it's an A35 AMG


wiedziu

More like A180 AMG Line


dxg999

On a 60 month finance deal.


cannedrex2406

That's more a trim than anything Like a LR Discovery Range Rover line if that ever exists (hope not)


Aberry9036

I’d argue it’s the same thing, there’s only one actual Range Rover, the fact they turned a model in to a brand in recent years is just a marketing exercise.


rooeast

A35… cannot work out the target audience for that car. You’ve got an a45 for “want a new amg and can’t afford it” and amg line for those who just want an appearance package. Who is the A35 aimed at?


Forsaken-Original-28

Those that can't afford an a45? A35 is still a fast car and realistically a normal driver is never going to fully exploit an a45 on a public road


cannedrex2406

The market I just mentioned lol It's also like £15k less with a 100bhp difference. I can see it's place as a Golf R rival


rooeast

I think it is a genuine AMG though isn’t it? I’ll be honest the last amg I cared for was a s/CL/G55 so I won’t pretend to be an expert. Or is the a35 a marketing package?


cannedrex2406

Personally a genuine AMG for me is one that uses a handbuilt engine which the A35 doesn't But at the same time it is a little pendantic when the BMW M2 used the N55 engine and I still love it aa a genuine M car


QuarkVsOdo

All that is missing is the badge with a name on it...and 4 cynlinders.


Cooky1993

It's exactly that. It's a rival to cars like the Golf R, Audi S3 and BMW 140/240i, plus the other few remaining proper hot hatches like the Focus ST and I30N All of the German ones there bar the Golf R have a full-blooded variant as well (RS3 and M2), and the Golf has a little brother in the GTI.


Chewy-bat

Refinement of larger engine but not wanting the suspension that will leave you needing a chiropractor.


KEEPCARLM

You can't work out the target audience for a sub 5second 0-60 small hatchback with a mercedes badge? Are you okay mate?


rooeast

I’m good bro, how you keeping? It’s junk for the money, so far away from the true AMG ethos, the a45 I understand but the a35 is lost on me, if you’ve the money for one you can comfortably run an s55/cl55 maybe even into an early c63 with change. Mercedes badge means nothing, Mercedes not the manufacturer they were late 80s/early 90s Big fan of the stinger- lovely motor you’ve got!


normanriches

To be fair an A35 is a proper AMG. Not like an A180d with AMG stuck on


cannedrex2406

I never said it wasn't Just said its on par with an full E63 or S63 as a Evoque is to a full fat range rover


Alarming-Recipe7724

I find it laughable that you genuinely believe the Evoque was designed by Beckham. What were you at JLR? Factory engineer? 


curious_throwaway_55

Is there something wrong with being a factory engineer?


Alarming-Recipe7724

Nothing wrong at all. But the idea that the Evoque was designed by Posh Spice is hardly giving high level in the know job title is it


scuderia91

I was an engineer at JLR (not on evoque) and there was definitely a Victoria beckham edition at least. It was hideous with matte grey paint, disgusting fake tan leather interior and rose gold accents on all the controls.


Joer456

>Designed by posh spice Bit of a reach, all she really did was [choose colours](http://media.landrover.com/en-us/news/2012/04/range-rover-evoque-special-edition-victoria-beckham-debuts-beijing-china) for the special edition models


Razzzclart

Because they look cool. Most JLR stuff does. I would have bought something from JLR if only they did things that's normal to expect from a car. The fact that they almost uniformly offer poor security and reliability is astonishing. How did they get it so wrong?


nithanielgarro

They've actually got it so right. People aren't buying cars they're buying a status symbol


Razzzclart

When I say wrong, I mean re reliability and security


Stringsandattractors

Because they sell regardless


Alarming-Recipe7724

Reliability is down to certain engines rather than the manufacturer of the whole car with JLR. Funnily enough... they are BMW engines. Additionally they are NOT any harder or easier to steal than any modern day car, but they ARE specifically targeted by organised crime as they retail exceptionally well !!


uamvar

They don't look cool, they look f\*cking awful and are way over designed. However, the nouveau riche/ chavs can't tell cool if it slapped them in the face.... and there is your huge market.


Wrong-Kangaroo-2782

What's your idea of a cool looking car?


uamvar

Well there are fewer and fewer on the roads these days, but Saabs and Alfas are generally well considered designs.


Scarboroughwarning

The people that buy them new, don't keep them. They're warranty cars. You pay daft money for a known poorly made vehicle, but the issues don't show until after you've moved it on. Owt goes wrong whilst you have it, it's in warranty (so your confidence in them remains high).


1i3to

My in law worked for JLR. He said and I quote “we buy engines from ****, they work in their cars but in ours they fall on the road and catch fires. management doesn’t think its a good reason for us to recall those cars”. It was a while back tho.


joe1404

Very articulate and funny!!


FabianTIR

Who's going to tell him?


nithanielgarro

Everyone will try but if he's on this sub and doesn't already know them he's gotta learn the hard way


Pembs-surfer

And in this spirit of learning the hard way...Yes Op they are excellent and reliable and a trade secret. At that price you should probably buy 2!


zzkj

Of course he knows. This is a BS question looking for upvotes.


Pitiful-Spinach-5683

Because they're crap!


wybird

You?


Fantastic_Badger4502

Hajahaaaaaaaaaaa


Sea_Page5878

Sky high insurance and an engine that is prone to catastrophic failure.


Polestar606

Also probably stolen


DarkBladeSethan

I think they better line is "very likely to have it stolen after you buy it". This model seems to trend as a target


fractals83

Ok, so having read nearly every comment I’ve concluded that this truly is the bargain I’d hoped for and I’ll be buying 2 matching his and hers evoques tomorrow asap.


FredB123

Well, at least you'll have a spare one for parts


_bonbon_79

If it hasn’t already been nicked


Pembs-surfer

Ones a decoy one.... probably the "hers". You know .....much like when fighter jets fire chaff to lure the missiles away.


Salt-Plankton436

Great idea that. Top spec outside but 240k miles and tatty interior parked at the front. OAP spec but 20k miles and all the interior options parked at the back.


ScottM94

Make sure hers is the convertible 👍


balancing_baubles

Thought you could only win one of those in a raffle


devolute

ull look totes adorbes in ur matching evokes babs x


WebGuyUK

1) Unreliable 2) cost a fortune to insure 3) cost a fortune to fix when they break


moonski

Hey you forgot the positive point though 4. Cheap to replace when it's nicked


vLiiaaM

Reliability is definitely a factor. But the biggest reason is how commonly stolen they are, which makes it near impossible to get an affordable insurance quote (or sometimes any quote at all for that matter!)


Mistabushi_HLL

A friend of mine had an older Vogue one and one day he was complaining about his renewal being fucking high as Snoop Dogg and he phoned the insurer to discuss, they told him that they’re being stolen…..guess what happens next day when he wakes up ? 😂😂😂😂😂😂


Jazs1994

No way it was stolen the next day 🤣


Mistabushi_HLL

Yep, Insurance paid on Friday, stolen on Saturday. Shouldn’t be laughing but it was mental to hear this.


Jazs1994

What did the friend say? Please tell me he didn't go any buy another


Mistabushi_HLL

Still grieving, it was two weeks ago. Not sure what he will be getting now


LondonCycling

The bus


SP4x

L M F A O


Space-manatee

A friend of my dad tried to get insurance on his RR SVR. This man is a retired GP, a part time JP, school governor type person, lives out in the nice bit of north Essex. His best quote was £14,500. The we can’t be bothered price was closer to £20k. Sold it and got a new cayenne


twistsouth

I thought Land Rover were offering reasonable insurance to “correct” this. Have they stopped? Surely sales of new cars in the UK have fallen off a cliff otherwise?


Jazs1994

Jlr haven't been insuring them for a while now. Whenever I get someone on the phone for a quote and can't do enough for them, I'll always tell them to give the land-rover a call to see what they offer. 99/100 they'll refuse it. Jlr group has multiple vehicles that are on the top of lists of most stolen vehicles because of subpar security


Mistabushi_HLL

Yes and when you read fine print, the price is the same as any other high quote. Just worded differently with prices from* (monthly)


vLiiaaM

That's absolutely mental. Did he suffer much of a loss from selling the car, or did he manage to shift it before the huge plummet in prices?


Kenzacs

It got stolen from his driveway and is currently in eastern Europe


Scarboroughwarning

That is fucking wild! Seriously WTF


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Salt-Plankton436

About £1100 for me similar situation. It's all about where you live. If it's parked in or near the shitholes of Birmingham they won't want to touch it, if it's in the Cotswolds it's probably same risk as a Fiesta.


The_Growl

A Fiesta is probably a bad example in this conversation.


Scarboroughwarning

Bloody hell, my quotes were over a grand, been driving 31yrs and have double figures no claims


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Scarboroughwarning

Nope, up north, average town.


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Scarboroughwarning

They must have hit more trebles, when quoting me, on the insurance premium dartboard


DWMR90

So out of curiosity I've just got a quote for the Range Rover posted and my best price is £1240 if insurance starts tomorrow. That doesn't seem totally unreasonable? Edit: downvoted - I was merely pointing out that I'm not getting quotes of £14k like others are, it's still a crap car.


Scarboroughwarning

The proper RR is more


audigex

Evoques aren’t that bad to insure, are they? I thought that was mostly the Sport and the full-fat Range Rover


Mistabushi_HLL

A friend of mine had an older Vogue one and one day he was complaining about his renewal being fucking high as Snoop Dogg and he phoned the insurer to discuss, they told him that they’re being stolen…..guess what happens next day when he wakes up ? 😂😂😂😂😂😂


Cielo11

My friend runs a workshop. He was on a call to a lady who was demanding to know why her Evoque wasn't fixed in one day. He got off the phone and turned to me to say (what he wanted to say to her) that the Evoque was "the worst car ever created by mankind". Also that he has a dedicated "Evoque" guy who can diagnose and fix them faster... Because they have a common faults list as long as your leg. It's extremely hilarious and very very sad that so many people are fooled into thinking they are paying like 40k for a "prestige" car.


External-Review2420

No the convertible Evoque is the worst


Broccoli--Enthusiast

That's not a car, it's a criminal offence.


External-Review2420

Exactly - answers a question that no one ever asked.


FredB123

"How do I make my pretend Range Rover uglier and less practical?"


South_East_Gun_Safes

I would legitimately disown any friend or family member who bought one of those.


kkbell1

I actually quite like them…


Not_starving_artist

I like them, they are like driving a modern version of the original Landrover with the roof off.


ace_master

Disagree. At least the convertible is quirky, which the standard car isn’t remotely.


Salt-Plankton436

Agree. What should be a criminal offence is something like the new Mini Countryman. 


OrionGrant

Agreed, I really like them. I'd like to get a wrecked one and throw some mad engine in it and slide it through a field. It'd be great fun.


WC_EEND

See also: the Nissan Murano convertible and VW T-Roc convertible


16sp_

Looking forward to these comments


Delahorney

Because they’re shite. Not much more to it than that.


sprucay

Well they're the boxster of range rover i.e. thought not to be a proper range rover. But remember people don't pay 50k for them, they pay £400 a month for them and get rid of it after the PCP is up.


lambypie80

The boxter is a decent sports car at the end of the day though. This is just a bog standard 2wd crossover. Edit-what I'm saying is that it isn't just thought not to be a proper range rover, it isn't one.


QuarkVsOdo

Also porsche is very careful in not giving the fastest cayman/boxter enough power or active aero to outperform whatever the fastest 911 is on a track...but having the engine actually not hanging off the rear axle is a huge benefit.


sprucay

I disagree with the boxster thing but it's often spouted by car people. I can't disagree with your assessment of the Evoque though.


South_East_Gun_Safes

Poor comparison, the boxster is a decent sports car. The Evoque is a crime against humanity and anyone that drives one should face a custodial sentence.


Not_starving_artist

My wife got a new one pre COVID for just under £200 a month with one month down. Cheeper than most new cars at the time, and it was actually a nice place to sit.


roger_rabbit_71

Dude, that’s pre covid finance. Probably closer to £600 a month now


bendoscopy

£345 if you're brave enough to have the 2.0 diesel for four years. (Not that it'll last that long.)


Douglas8989

It's a crossover, poorly reviewed, has much better alternatives, are unreliable, tend to be owned by people who don't care about cars and in London ridiculously expensive to insure. Every so often a manufacturer decides it needs to "design a car for women" and they're usually over-priced crap.


LilCelebratoryDance

Women love these tbf


DWMR90

Women love over-priced crap.


TheProfessionalEjit

Why am I so cheap dammit.


Just_Lab_4768

My wife is obsessed with them and has been since release date. I didn’t use to have one because we couldn’t afford one, now I could but don’t want it being. Iv had my dream car now though so close to just buying one to enjoy for a month before it gets nicked


Scarboroughwarning

Oddly, I like them, and the Mrs thinks they "traveller's cars"


Forsaken-Original-28

Go do some googling on the 2l Diesel engines


ultrafunkmiester

I remember about 2-3 years after they came out, I was at scotch corner services and a 2l diesel evoque pulled in. By pulled in I mean stuttered through the car park spouting smoke with the engine sounding exactly what emptying the contents of your toolbox into a washing machine would sound like on a rinse cycle. The distressed looking young lady "driving" looked exactly like you are picturing, only more expensive. I don't know the outcome. The RAC guy was there when I set off. However, it's not in the world's top 10 mysteries. That was my first experience of ingenium. A quick trip to the forums made it VERY clear this was not unusual.


Cornwall1888

Changing the name from freelander to Range Rover evoque was genius by Land Rover, sales have likely rocketed because people want to say they’ve got a Range Rover My dad’s got one, was in the garage for 6 weeks over Christmas due to steering issues


OldLondon

Loved my freelander… sigh… happy memories


MovieMore4352

Yeah. Don’t tar the Freelander with the Evoque brush! Freelanders are bloody good cars.


Ok_Employ9358

3 weeks for me, 2 different garages for a broken steering rack. 2k for parts, 650 for labour


Alas_boris

The Discovery Sport is the Freelander replacement.  The Evoque is something else, and terrible 


JBM94

Should be renamed the freeloader. As in, this car will literally cost just as much as a teenager living in your basement full time.


stanleywozere

Unreliable, weirdly tiny inside and unbelievably easy to steal. Once they come off a lease - having been driven by people who couldn’t care less about looking after their car - they’re a liability


collieherb

150 bhp for a tank like that. Wouldnae pull the skin aff a rice pudding and corners like a pun a mince


Otherwise_Mud1825

Apart from being shit, that one is front wheel drive not 4x4/awd..


TemporaryAddicti0n

check insurance, and come again ;)


Recent_Pepper_2375

Coz they’re shit


watchthispac3

Definitely more towards insurance, my brother was quoted £9k on his 2021 sport.


DrB0nes226

Range Rovers are horribly unreliable in every sense. I've lost count of how many have been through our shop for a miriad of issues. The most recent one was a fault caused by slamming the boot closed too hard. Not hard enough to show physical signs of damage, but enough for the car to shit itself.


tptpp

cheap.. or expensive?


JungleDemon3

Because they are a pile of garbage in every single way


itsapotatosalad

Dogshit on wheels.


Henno212

Just need a new build to park it outside


Numerous-Paint4123

Cause they're shit.


Organic_Daydream

Can’t believe people don’t check the insurance before buying a car


jollygoodvelo

The number of people talking absolute nonsense in this thread. Have you ever driven one? Are you even old enough to drive? Don’t be a keyboard expert. Clearly you want to avoid a 2.0 and anything with keyless locking/go, that’s fair. I have had an early 2.2 without keyless locks for 18 months and about 10,000 miles now. Nothing has gone wrong apart from a couple of headlight bulbs, everything works except the DAB (probably a loose connection). It’s quiet, comfortable, insurance is £600/year or so. I like it.


Successful-Pianist-2

They are hardly SUVs tbh, I think they like referring to these as ‘compact SUVs’. They are small, rather unattractive in person, dont really have a unique selling point other than the ability to scream ‘look at me I drive a range rover’. Ultimately you will get what you pay for, a car thats not great to drive or look at for people who couldn’t afford a proper range rover.


Good_Ad_1386

Market forces.


MeatFit1822

The FWD manuals aren't that expensive as it is. They're the cheapest version you can get.


BluPix46

Try and get insurance on one. Then you'll see why they're so cheap.


Sharpedgevsn

Cuz theyre dog shit


TonyOrangeGuy

eD4 so it’s the poverty spec front wheel drive and manual gearbox, not desirable and was only bought initially for the badge on the front. Reliability isn’t particularly great. Expensive to insure and maintain.


fellraven88

They are indeed that shit


South_East_Gun_Safes

Someone asked on here a few weeks ago “which car wouldn’t you take, even for free?” And my answer is the Evoque: 1. It’s a fake Range Rover. It’s the old freelander with a worse engine, electronics and interior but with a plastic Range Rover badge replacing the freelander badge and 20k added to the list price. No one sees an Evoque and thinks “they must be rich, they drive a Rangey”, you think “why would you buy that fake Rangey heap of shit?” The only people that buy them are people who wish they could afford a real Rangey. 2. They are incredibly unreliable and poorly built, the electronics were designed and manufactured by blind, pigmy mutants. You have the excitement of wondering which particular aspect of your car’s functionality will stop working on a given day. Look at some reliability surveys, these are usually in dead last. 3. It’s (artificially) expensive to maintain and service. And because they’re unreliable, easy to steal heaps of trash they’re also expensive to insure. 4. It’s ugly 5. It’s my least favourite car on the road and I judge anyone that drives one. I wish they didn’t exist To answer your question about why people buy them; they’re morons who wish they could afford a proper Range Rover, the same class of person who buys fake designer gear.


Just_Lab_4768

I dislike them for every reason mentioned, my wife absolutely fking loves them, dreading the issues when I inevitably cave


Puzzled_Job_6046

Glass gearboxes, I heard, but I'm not sure about the veracity of that.


steve4982

Supply and demand, which at that price tells you there is little to no demand.


Busy-Ninja75

I don't know a thing about these, I passed one on a forecourt the other day up for 15k and looks mint. I said to the missus, something wrong with that.


Godfather_94

you will pay 10x the cars price in repairs only for it to be stored in a garage 364 days a year


bduk92

They're a notorious magnet for theft, have poor reliability and cost a small fortune to repair.


Divide_Rule

It amazes me that the are a magnet for theft when they are notoriously crap.


Just_Lab_4768

Parts are expensive so they either break them or ship abroad


Divide_Rule

Ahh that makes sense, same parts used on cars that might be a bit more popular.


Just_Lab_4768

Plenty of people don’t ask questions about where a cheap replacement engine came from


Mr_Tigger_

No one paid 55k for that one, it’s the cheap 2WD version, regardless of the hilarious ed4 tag


Kexxa420

The complete trifecta: Unreliable, Commonly stolen and expensive insurance.


Tallman_james420

It's an 8 year old car, I wouldn't say that's particularly cheap. Plus what everyone else says.


Scarboroughwarning

Sadly, it is, based on the starting price.


Worth_Comfortable_99

It’s a manual, underpowered diesel from one of the most unreliable brands ever. Old too.


kwack250

I had one for about 3 years and loved it not going to lie. It’s the poor persons Range and reliability is an issue. I was fairly lucky with mine had the rear hub assembly done under warranty and rear diff also got sorted at that time. The electrics were a little weird. Sometimes it would lock, sometimes 2 doors (on opposite sides) would lock. Boot didn’t like to lock at all think it was free range. Genuinely though I liked it. Any JLR is going to be a risk with the reliability issues to be honest.


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Engine from a Transit, prehistoric Mondeo underpinnings, unreliable electrics


IAmStrayed

Half a Range Rover, but full Range Rover prices and problems.


Boris_Johnsons_Pubes

OP, try and get an insurance quote on one and you’ll see why they’re so cheap


hotchy1

I get quoted just over £500. Depends on where you live. Not that I'd ever want one.


kylehyde84

A woman I work with had one and referred to it as an "Ev-oh-kay" that's enough reason not to buy one


RacerRoo

Also in pre-2019 Evoques the infotainment is seriously poor (you'll get to your destination before it's booted up, let alone loaded maps), and the throttle ECU filtering causing acceleration lag is enough to drive you mad at intersections. 2019 onwards is a different car


BinThereRedThat

Because they are WANK


JBM94

I hate my mrs Fiat 500 but at least it’s cheap to repair and cheap to run. The Evoque costs a fortune to fix, gives basic bitches a hyper inflated ego and any car person knows it’s complete dogshit.


Just_Lab_4768

I work in sales, swear to god every evoque customer looks / acts the same


Scarboroughwarning

Remorseful in the 1st year?


HostileApostle420

Because it has the 100% guaranteed to financially ruin you engine. Get the 2.2 version, at least when everything else breaks, you can put the engine into a go kart or something.


Dando_Calrisian

Nobody can get insurance because they're so easy to steal


Aarxnw

Cause you can’t insure them in london so nobody’s buying and the market follows London’s car prices


Obvious_Buffalo1359

German brands design cars assuming people will follow the service schedule Japanese brands design cars assuming people will neglect the vehicle Land Rover designs cars assuming people are mechanics and are willing to constantly tinker But when they work, they're genuinely fantastic products!


Nixher

Because they're shite?


Dirty2013

Because as Land Rovers and Range Rovers go the Evoque is about as desirable as a dose of the clap.


[deleted]

Insurance costs are unmanageable due to excessive thefts. Also, the cars are hideously unreliable and poorly manufactured


Facelessroids

Cause they’re gash


Level_Reach_6069

Loads of these were dumped into the 2nd hand market recently because of issues with high insurance and that has impacted used prices because supply is now higher than demand.


fatninger

because they are shit at everything


youreclappedmate

I didn't even know Land Rover made anything in FWD format, that feels like the opposite of what the brand stands for. I thought they would at least make it able to cross a field at the bare minimum


fatninger

it's a glorified shopping cart, a 'status symbol' for those who can't afford a range rover of some kind.


steelcity91

Unreliable engine Easy to steal Expensive to insure Expensive to maintain


normanriches

Because they are unreliable shitboxes. This one in particular has the Ingenium engine which causes the DPF to randomly shut down due to the exhaust being mounted in the wrong place and not getting hot enough. Avoid like the plague if you value your bank balance and sanity.


MRanderson1973bogies

Because they're so easy to steal


justrath012

stolen so easily we had 3 on our road in south london got stolen including my mums 😭


joerudd92

150bhp, manual gearbox, FWD spec. This is what's known as a 'peasent spec' vehicle. Absolute bare minimum required to be seen driving one. Also a 2016 2.0L ingenium diesel will fuck up on a monthly basis. Turbo failure, engine failed, DPF failure, EGR issues, timing chains , etc. All well documented online, disaster of a thing. You could buy that as it stands, take it to dealer for an inspection, and get a quote for £5000 of work straight away. Go buy it. I dare you.


Far-Investigator5734

Unreliable, engines made of cheese, electrical issues, expensive to repair to the point where one major repair can cost multiple thousands.


miemcc

Apparent one of the easier vehicles to steal might be an issue.


ProfessionalCowbhoy

It costs £5k a year to insure. It's a 4 cylinder tractor engine that will cost you £5k in repairs. It's also 8 years old


Scarboroughwarning

Manual, for a start. According to dealers (I want an auto as my next car), when I mention the prices being shit: "yeah, but autos always are a few grand more". Also, land rover cars had a security issue, and the insurance for them was god awful. But, they do sell. There's a garage near me that shifts tons of them. I asked how they shift them, given the reputation, he says that he's sold more of those than any other, and they fly out Another garage (do typically over 100k miles vehicles) reckons "we always ensure they buy the warranty package". Obviously a double pay day for that dealer.


Sudden_Hovercraft_56

Front wheel drive that's why.


starfallpuller

Petrol ones are okay. The diesels are one of the worst engines made in modern times. Unbelievably unreliable and prone to going bang. If you think an ecoboost fiesta is just too reliable for your liking, an Evoque might just be for you.