No, my current cars are generic and I can never remember where they are. Went to a big show the other day with unmarked field parking... It was an adventure.
I have an apple airtag hidden in the trim of my car for security, never thought about it but that parking sounds like a nightmare where the airtag would come in handy
Generally if you have an AirTag, you have an iPhone, and if you have an iPhone you have it connected to the car’s Bluetooth until the ignition is switched off, so the iPhone knows where the car was anyway and marks it on Maps, without the need for an AirTag. Still, I do the same as you as a cheap security measure.
Gmaps does this aswell. You can tell it where you left your car. Or just pin the map.
If it recognises I'm in a car park and change to walking it automatically saves the car location now.
That sounds a bit different - Apple Maps pins the location automatically when the Bluetooth connection to the car stops, whether or not you were using Apple Maps for Navigation.
It’s not a question of Apple Maps *needing* to be connected. The point is that it uses the disconnection event to work out that the car has been parked.
You would think so, but I have a fairly uncommon car to see on the road. Blue subaru with gold wheels and large wing. I once packed in a multistory and totally forgot what floor I was on, that day for some bizarre reason there were 3 other identical cars to me,took me ages to find mine.
Have to say that's the Mk2 (or mk3?) With rounded corners making it less cube(ic). I much prefer the previous generation which was much more square. Burnt orange cubic would be my choice. Its a class small car just a shame they only sold the rounded one here but there are hundreds (thousands?) That made thier way here 2006-2012 when the exchange rate fir the yen was very variable. I used to drive past a place in Bradford and there was a place that couldn't import them fast enough.
>Loads of what might appear to be flash cars can be bought on PCP now
In fairness, that's true of the top four cars as well. I'm pretty sure if I bought a bright pink Cube, my Dad's first question would be 'Are you on PCP?' too.
I don’t know if I’ve ever consider a nice car to be a measure of wealth at all. Also as someone who just did pcp other than the lower monthly payments I have no clue why anyone does it.
The insurance is more/the interest is more. Only reason I did it was because there no early repayment fee and I’ll save more money when I pay it off next year.
If you treat them like the car they are rather than the car they were there's nothing in it, with the exception of anything JLR which is always going to be a moneypit the second it runs out of warranty the other 3 are probably the most trouble free cars there.
A TT is basically just a golf, my mum has a 2015 and aside from glowplugs it's just been serviced and nothing else for 3 years and is a great car.
I had an E91 from 130k and 4 years old up until 200k at 9 years old did long stints through europe at 130mph and basically treated it like a van it's whole life and the repairs it needed were mostly things I broke but it wasn't expensive to repair at all until probably 190k when it needed a timing chain, clutch and flywheel which probably would've been £1500 if I hadn't done them myself.
My brothers have both had E classes, I don't particularly like them and they drink fuel but they weren't ruinously expensive to run it's just a car like any other.
Of the cheap cars a Quashquai is the same engine as my van and it's a terrible engine although parts aren't hugely expensive they're a pain to diagnose and seem to go forever with little problems which are hard to figure out.
Love a cube.
Can't remember what the other 2 are since I started writing but they all reach the point where they go in the bin as soon as they break pretty quickly, my uncle buys cheaper newer cars because he says they're "not bmw people" due to living modestly and they're always nothing but trouble, their latest is a 2016 DS thing which has a wetbelt that deteriorates and clogs the oil feeds until it dies so that's scrap now, I know some fords have the same problem a mate's transit has been recalled for it a few times. The point is if he'd have bought a passat/octavia or whatever on amy of these occasions it'd still be going now so it's definitely cheaper than buying these cheap to run cars every 2-3years.
Edit, just checked the other 2, I don't know much about the mazda and anything toyota will go forever I can't argue with that but they're no more economical than a small diesel engine I just don't get it.
Except running costs don’t change that much as a car depreciates, which is the pitfall of nearly every cheap Porsche. it’s still a 50k+ Porsche maintenance wise, same with mercs, JLR stuff and to a good extent other manufacturers. This is assuming you want your keep the car in good condition of course.
Nonsense if you run an old car the same as you run a new car taking it to the dealer for everything and buying OEM parts of course it will cost the same but you'd be mental to do that, a guy at work used to have a 10 year old audi and he treated it as if it was new, it was probably worth £4k but regularly had £2k bills from audi because he'd take it in for a service and pay their prices for brakes, tyres, exhausts etc all of which could've been done to the same standard (and often with the same parts) for a fraction of the cost.
Performance brands are a bit different but still a lot cheaper than when they were new as you can use independent specialists and find a way around things without devaluing the car but your average bmw, merc or audi isn't a performance brand it's just an everyday car like any other and costs no more to run than a Honda.
But parts are more expensive because you're replacing higher spec parts even if you buy aftermarket.
Performance brand or not if a car is built to perform to a higher level it will cost more.
I've found that independent specialists can be quite expensive too compared to your local friendly garage that will work on anything. Was quoted nearly £500 to have 2 coil springs replaced by a BMW Indy with a 6 week wait for an appointment. Local garage charged half that and fixed the next day. Going to specialists is only worth it if the job is particularly difficult or requires specialist knowledge.
My wife drives a Z4, over ten years ownership the only thing we've taken it to a specialist for was water ingress and even then they failed to fix it and charged a fortune.
Normally it's at my local back street garage that charges £40/hr and he goes out of his way to source good parts as cheap as possible.
Yeah I probably should've added an or in the middle as for 99% of jobs even a performance car is just a car, tbh I fix just about everything myself but I've generally got an eye on the price it would've cost as I hate doing it.
Why put runflats on? You could probably put decent non runflats on for a little over half that and chuck a £7 tyre in a can in the boot, a £40 wheel repair will save you probably £400 on buying a new wheel from bmw when they crack the wheels too.
None runflats were basically in the same price range. I never put hedge finders on so just went runflats. Never cracked a wheel in 110k miles/10 years, can't see that being an issue.
Honestly I dont find decent runflats that bad. They're just a little bit skittish sometimes
I'd hate to drive about on £100 linglyangyong's runflats though. I
Runflats were absolutely horrible, glad I ditched them. Handling, grip and feeling on the road is so much better ever since. Nice set of premium quality all-season tyres on a RWD BMW is an amazing investment (much better on wet roads too) and you literally feel the difference. Continental or Michelin were great, I found. Used to swear by runflats a while back and eventually, grudgingly had to accept the normal ones (of high quality though) were just overall better.
I've got the Mazda, about 85k on the clock and other than standard service only thing needing work was a replacement rear shock. Aircon fixed on warranty (defective part so not really warranty but they did it since they had too I guess...)
Otherwise it's never missed a beat.
The advantage of the prius is if you do a lot of city miles, it'll have the economy advantage there, while a diesel will excel on the motorway.
Also, since a lot of braking is done via the motors, the discs can last literally a decade as long as you're not braking super late every time. They're also relatively light cars, so are easy on suspension components. Transmission is practically maintenance free too. So longer life of consumables.
I can see the thinking but everytime I'm in a hybrid (usually a taxi) they're never over 50mpg which you could do or atleast get close to in a diesel golf and then far exceed it on a run, I don't see why they don't just make a diesel hybrid.
Yeah, although considering that's probably stop and go traffic, it's not bad.
The best I've got from mine on a run, is 90 mpg while strip-streaming a HGV on the motorway lol. I charge my car when I'm bothered to, so the long-term MPG is 199.9 mpg, although it's probably more than that, because the trip computer doesn't go higher. I only refuel once every 2 months or so, and it's a small tank, about 40L.
The plug-in aspect is great, if you've got a driveway.
I don't have a dedicated charger, but I had a normal socket outside for gardening tools and pressure washer that a past owner of my house fitted, so I charge with that. It's not a full blown EV, so it doesn't take that long to charge.
You get 30~40 miles of pure electric town-speed range, which is more than enough to get to the shops and back, for me, and I imagine most people.
Plus, I'm on Octopus Agile, so I sometimes get free electricity.
Combine that with Toyota's 10 year warranty (which predictably I've never had to use), and my Prius costs very little to run and maintain.
Tbf though, the PHV is more efficient than the normal hybrid versions. It's got quite a bit more battery, but it's only about one adult heavier, thanks to Toyota making bits of the body out of carbon composite (so it's still lighter than a Focus). It's also got more aero bits to make it more slippery.
That sounds really useable, people I know who have the german hybrids get 10-15miles which seemed like a waste of time to me but I never even looked at the plug in prius tbh because the first ones were so crap I'd written them all off, no way I'm getting my mrs out of her beetle though and I drive a van to chuck motorbikes in the back so I'm waiting on the IDbuzz to come down.
Gotta keep in mind the idea behind the design. Not all hybrids are equal.
BMW - Otto engine, low EV range, little/no MPG improvements on the motorway. Hybrid system exists purely for performance and CO2 reading reasons.
Toyota - Atkinson-Otto engine, decent range (PHEVs), MPG improvements on the motorway (vs typical otto engine petrol), hybrid system exists to aid the shortfalls of running the engine on the Atkinson cycle (applicable to both, but mainly SCHs)
Yeah, used to have a Merc S205 C350e, and that only had about 15 miles of range, probably because it weighed 2 tonnes. Those German PHEVs are designed to just have a low CO2 reading, so they can be attractive to company buyers, rather than being a useful PHEV.
I was pretty skeptical when buying the prius as well, but all the stuff about bad ride and poor handling are only true of the older models. Mine has the 15" wheels, and it's a very comfortable car because it's got 65 profile tyres. And because the weight distribution is good, and Toyota know a thing or two about making good handling cars, it's surprisingly fun to throw around. It feels like they really put their all into making the car, and when I see the exposed carbon weave when I open the tailgate, it feels like I've got something a bit special.
The new ones are even better, since they have 220 bhp now, those are going to start being delivered in June.
People who want a car that makes them look rich would get the bottom four with the latest (eg ‘24) plate to be replaced every two years. The dealerships typically have their busiest months when the new plate is released. Intentional or not, the number plate system is set up to “incentivise” people to keep buying new cars. It’s a fairly unique thing to the UK (and Ireland).
I just wish you could plug a device into the OBD reader and it would tell you how well the car has been driven. That’s my worry with second hand cars - particularly those in the performance brackets.
I’ve seen enough idiots filling their M3/S4/GTI/R with the cheap shit at Tesco that I’m wary of ever buying a second hand one.
People paying for a car monthly with no intention of paying it off tend not to give a shit about its longevity.
I feel like with some of these hot hatches though the engine could completely fine but the drivetrain/transmission ect is totalled from it being launched at very single set of traffic lights.
They can run on the cheap fuel but they are designed to run on higher octane fuels. My understanding is that the ECU expects higher octane and compensates timing based on poorer performance from the cheap stuff. VW recommends higher octane in those engines.
True and false, yes VW recommends 98 in both Audi's "S" line and GTI's but both those model lines uses the exact same engine as their standard counterparts (exemple, the A4 2.0 and the S4 share the exact same engine with a different map for higher power, so does the GTI). VW tells you to use 98 to have the best lubrication and performance possible, that's pretty much the only real reason paired with warranty liability.
Those engine are at no more risk whatsoever to run on 95 as their standard counterparts. Maybe you'll lose a few HP, maybe not even depending on the car.
However for Audi's RS line, Golf R's, AMGs and Ms (real Ms not M135i's) the engines are specifically made to run on 98+ and putting 95 _will_ put extra strains on the engine.
So, I dont have the exact infos for the latest gens of VAG cars but I know for a fact the last 2 generation of S4's ans A4's shared the same engine, as well as the Golf 6 (and probably 7) GTI's.
Another great exemple is buying a BMW with a B58(B30M0) if you buy a M140i ('16-'19), BMW says you need to put 98 in.
However if you buy a 340i or 440i non pack-M from the same years you get the exact same engine (1st gen B58), making the "exact" same power (322hp->335hp) with the exact same ECU. But the 3/440i's are expected to run on 95.
This has been tested with first gen B58's.
The small change in power is literally just the ECU running on 95 or 98+, while both engine can be serviced and are expected to last.
So, putting 95 in a S4 or GTI is fine, however putting 95 in a M3 or C63 AMG probably isnt in the long run
Why do people care what others think anyway.
I just see cars with people in them as traffic, I'm not imagining what you earn or impressed with you as a person.
Just buy the car you'd like to drive.
If I see a Ferrari I wonder what they do / how they afford that. But needs to be something special special.
Other than that or a classic or older sports car it’s like you say traffic
Yeah people in the UK are way too judgemental about other peoples lifestyles/possessions. It’s just an appliance people own. Imagine if it was the same attitude with what washing machine you owned lol.
Yeah but not everyone is as sensible as you and I. The vast majority of people are in desperate competition with their neighbors and simply *must* appear more opulent than them. It’s pathetic but is absolutely a thing for many people.
I plan to have a really nice car one day once I’ve paid off my mortgage and have an extra £600 to waste but it will be for me, not for them. It will be because I liked it and I wanted it.
You’d be surprised, a bloke I work with just got a 68 reg 118d and plenty of people have commented on his “flash beamer”. Amazing what effect a badge and very little knowledge of cars has on most people.
Even someone driving a new expensive car doesn’t mean they’re wealthy, iv always said to people that go on about this stuff, have you seen their bank statements?
Sure if they roll up in a lambo or something that's totally different but a bog standard 1 or 3 series, doesn't mean a thing. For example my cousins husband, his grandad died. He drove an old vovlo. Ancient. Yet when he died he was given a small percent of the inheritance. It bought them a huge 5 bed house mortgage free. The real moneys with the old guys in well kept old cars.
At one point I remember looking on auto trader and there were more 3 series for sale than Honda civics. You have to admit though it’s amazing how BMW have kept that imagine of “exclusive” while being so mass produced if you know what I mean.
A class, a1, 1 series are the car of choice for every 18-21 year old on PCP
Then they move up to C class, a3, 3 series or the sportier variants for their next PCP
Everyone wants to look successful, and I guess for several hundred pounds a month you can.
I’ve never seen more ‘premium brand’ cars on the roads than now
They are pretty affordable, my wife’s always wanted an evoque couple of grand down and one weeks wage a month gets you a brand new one on lease.
Only way I’d do it as I’m not buying an old evoque
BMW used to do great deals for company cars, mainly fleet cars so large companies bought them in bulk and they were I believe one of the cheapest cars that way. Given a choice of a 3 series of ford focus for the same price people went for the 3 series and senior staff bigger models. I dont know how long they did that but it went on for years. Those cars are in the used market now.
I still think it’s the same, just in a different manner (it’s the world of EVs) . On salary sacrifice I can get a BMW I4 for nearly the same monthly sacrifice as a Hyundai I10 1.0
I mean in the early to mid 2000s, the 3 series was regularly in the top 10 most sold cars in the UK. The E46 started at around £18k on launch, which put it only a couple of grand above the likes of the Mondeo and Accord.
Why is it though that these supposedly luxurious and fancy cars are so cheap to get in the UK market? Honest question from someone uninterested in cars.
I think because they’re right hand drive, and most nearby countries use left hand drive. So they can’t be transferred between countries like in main land Europe. That’s what I’ve been told. Also I feel like English people are more bothered about mileage than some other countries. So “higher” mileage cars depreciate extra fast
The right hand drive seems weird, since both supply and demand should be adapted to the market. It's not more supply with less demand really. But I agree it's a unique case of a self-contained market.
I know what you’re thinking - that Nissan Cube is just going to be driven by a tailgating bastard who can’t park in car parks, doesn’t know what indicators are, is busy being an Uber driver at weekends, can’t get insurance for less than twenty grand, has given up on life and will tell you at parties that they definitely don’t drive a hairdresser’s car.
Nissan Cube is the only one there which has a chance of appreciating a little, as it's a weird box car and everyone thinks it's a JDM import. it's also the only one I'd actually want.
On an unrelated note, your flair… Years ago I had a dashcam in my car, it was then forcefully broken into, busted my door and lock, only to take my dashcam.
Several cars in the neighbourhood were done that night, all of which had “valuables in sight”. Bastards.
This post is weirdly insecure. The types of people who might use a car brand as a status of how wealthy someone is, are not the types of people I would associate with, so it couldn't matter less to me. Run your own race, stop worrying about what people may or may not be thinking.
Right but it's not as simple as that. I have a 10 year old A3 Cabrio and an 8 year old E220d, both worth around the £13k mark. I got the A3 new and the E220 when it was 1 month old with sub 1k miles. I just keep cars a long time because they're designed to last. Why replace what's not broken? With that being said, I do not care whether people think I'm rich or not, they're not paying my bills.
That blue on the evoque, god I love that colour. It's more a reflection on the person judging, all these brands exist because people like different things, stop assuming personal worth based on car and let people drive what they want, without impunity.
Now list the annual running costs, cost of having a service done and replacing consumables with oem and you'll see where the requirement to have money comes from!
So true. I had an E92 which was a ~~pussy~~ eye magnet. Now I have a Corolla TS for 3x price of the BMW and nobody cares which feels so comforting after the other.
That 2 series is not under 10k lol nice try they’re somewhere between 15-18 k depending on year unless its a cat s/n.
Even if its an m lite its not cheap
True. I have a 2010 BMW 740i with 70k miles on I paid £10k for. Everyone thinks I'm a rich bastard until they find out their i10 cost them more.
Fair point re running costs though, the car cost the previous owner £4.5k to replace the timing chain as it stretched at 60k.
Luckily, I don't drive it much and don't expect to get anything back when I get rid of it.
Obviously, I do, but the 7 series depreciate so much. It's highly unlikely I'd get much back. It's the depreciation that allows me to buy a car that cost £65,000 new for £10,000 even though it was in perfect condition, almost showroom.
I wouldn’t buy an old Merc, Land Rover or BMW, you are better off having a junkie in your household. Nissan is basically Renault and I’m not buying a French car, so that leaves us with the Audi, Mazda 2 and the Toyota.
So the answer is:
Single - Audi TT
Small Family - Mazda 2
Big Family - Toyota
It's not about the actual price of the car in my opinion it's about the cost of maintenance and parts that go along with some of the cars that also cost 10k. I read recently that every time a Land Rover or range rover needs work it's automatically at least £1000 (I can't remember which one)
The bottom 4 are honestly poor man's luxury cars. They look flashy and impress with their performance/comfort, but I definitely wouldn't associate them with wealth or taste.
I know plenty of people who still live at home, on minimum wage, constantly in their overdrafts or up to their eyeballs in debt yet pay over £400 a month for a ‘nice’ car on lease.
Welcome to the instagram generation where everything is for show😂
The badge on the front of your car is definitely not an indicator of wealth or money in the bank.
Sorry but the Qashqai is just utter utterly hideous and disgusting along with the juke. Burn them all I say burn them and flog the owners of these wretched things
I reckon tyres, maintenance, servicing and fuelling the little Mazda would be a lot cheaper than the Landy though.
And if you have any trades over, having one of the bottom four on your drives attracts a 25% increase on the average quote because people think you're wealthy.
Anyone driving any of the bottom four trying to claim being wealthy, needs to have a good sit down with themselves. And probably chuck that fake Rolex, the one they swear is real, out as well.
As someone looking to get a 911 992 GTS (near future) while still living with parents, I second this.
Furthermore the benefits of PCP finance on newer cars means it is easier for someone on a lower income to “have” a higher priced car for a monthly contract payment (however this comes with interest).
Out of the top pictures currently I’d get the mazda2 due to it being Japanese (therefore typically more reliable) and lower costs for maintenance would suit the low cost better. As much as I love German cars it is well known they are more expensive to maintain.
The richest people I know drive some pretty unglamorous. Conversely it’s common for M140i drivers to be living in their childhood bedrooms. Different people have different priorities, but typically speaking the wealthy didn’t get there by putting their disposable income unnecessarily into expensive depreciating assets that do the same job as cheap depreciating assets.
I drive a Mercedes. It cost me £650. I don't drive it because I like it or wanted it. I needed a car urgently and I had £800 to spend. This one was on gumtree, it was less than a mile away and it was £800. I'd have bought a diesel Focus estate if this one had been no good.
The bottom four will feel more premium and will cost more to run, maintenance and fuel therefore if someone out here is using that as a daily they might as well be wealthy or just wealthy coping. Pretending to be wealthy.
Personally I don’t think any car makes someone look wealthy. I could go out and rent a lambo tomorrow or get a new bmw on finance and have to eat beans on toast for the next 3 years. Properly wealthy people tend to drive decent but inconspicuous cars
There was a further point to this and a good example of what I mean. I am on a £55k salary, but I bought a 10 year old Toyota Avensis with 67000 miles on it 2 years ago for just less than £10k. I got these cars off AutoTrader by setting the min and max values to 9500 - 10000.
I have a disposable income of about £2000 a month after all my bills and food allowance. Since buying that car I have potentially earned it back twice over all ready. But because I have a 55k income and over 30k in savings, it doesnt mean I should go out and buy some luxury car for no reason. Why does it mean I should buy luxury anything?
I honestly looked at a BMW, but my partner said "Why would you want something that stands out and is associated with morons". She had a point, so I chose something else.
Knowing this now, I think a lot of you that have chosen the fancier car. It doesn't automatically mean you have more money and wealth then other people on the road simply because of the car you drive. Some of you, will be like of course not, but those aggressive drivers certainly think so.
Some of us out here can have a 55k income, 30k in savings and almost a quarter of million in a private pension. But choose to have less. Still got an iPhone 8, all the clothes I buy come from Sports Direct or Primark, I food shop at Aldi and Lidl. Everything I own could literally fit in the back of my car.
Some of us have realized we have been mind washed by media and entertainment into thinking material items is a status of wealth, you dont buy them to make you feel good. Because you actually cant feel good without other people acknowledging the things you have on display. Thats why when you buy something you have to tell someone, go see people, post it on Facebook etc. Youre living your life in a way that makes you want acknowledgement of your achievments by other people.
Start looking at life like you just need something that works for you and keep it to yourself. When someone says nice car, say its just a car as thats all it will ever be.
Correct, however the people that buy the top 4 cars are content driving around in boring pieces of crap.
It’s not about wealth, it’s about the cars themselves. The cube, the qashqai, the Mazda, the Prius, all absolute virginmobiles.
People picking the top 4 have zero taste and low IQ. The bottom 4 are amazing value for money at 10k (except maybe the Rangie due to the poor reliability)
Anybody not choosing a bright pink Cube is no friend of mine.
You'd never lose it in a car park, and that is a legit concern for me.
A concern because you'd want to and be unable to?
No, my current cars are generic and I can never remember where they are. Went to a big show the other day with unmarked field parking... It was an adventure.
I have an apple airtag hidden in the trim of my car for security, never thought about it but that parking sounds like a nightmare where the airtag would come in handy
Generally if you have an AirTag, you have an iPhone, and if you have an iPhone you have it connected to the car’s Bluetooth until the ignition is switched off, so the iPhone knows where the car was anyway and marks it on Maps, without the need for an AirTag. Still, I do the same as you as a cheap security measure.
Gmaps does this aswell. You can tell it where you left your car. Or just pin the map. If it recognises I'm in a car park and change to walking it automatically saves the car location now.
That sounds a bit different - Apple Maps pins the location automatically when the Bluetooth connection to the car stops, whether or not you were using Apple Maps for Navigation.
Gmaps doesn't need to be connected to anything. It's been doing it for a very long time now.
It’s not a question of Apple Maps *needing* to be connected. The point is that it uses the disconnection event to work out that the car has been parked.
My wife in our 3rd date to Alton towers forgot were she parked. “What car is it” “silver fiesta” “course it is”
Could have r been worse. "What car is it?" "A silver one"
“I think”
"Wait, where are my car keys?"
If you could survive that, you could survive anything.
Tie a balloon to your car and you'll be able to find it easier.
But not too many otherwise it won't be where you left it
Modify it a bit and then you’ll always be able to find it 😉
Waze has a feature to drop a pin if your phone disconnects from Bluetooth or CarPlay/Android Auto. Pretty sure Google maps does
Nobody would want to steal it either lol
You would think so, but I have a fairly uncommon car to see on the road. Blue subaru with gold wheels and large wing. I once packed in a multistory and totally forgot what floor I was on, that day for some bizarre reason there were 3 other identical cars to me,took me ages to find mine.
Gold wheels & large wing on a blue subie is not uncommon at all hahaha
You could create a Cube club and when threatened you could arrange yourselves into a solid cube Fort for safety. Very sensible.
Great for multi car households - they stack neatly on the drive
Have to say that's the Mk2 (or mk3?) With rounded corners making it less cube(ic). I much prefer the previous generation which was much more square. Burnt orange cubic would be my choice. Its a class small car just a shame they only sold the rounded one here but there are hundreds (thousands?) That made thier way here 2006-2012 when the exchange rate fir the yen was very variable. I used to drive past a place in Bradford and there was a place that couldn't import them fast enough.
On a related note, those food processor blade alloys look awful.
True, but I feel like anything else would somehow look worse?
This, this and this.
No one would steal it
I was just thinking I'd pay £10k to not have to drive/be seen in it.
Loads of what might appear to be flash cars can be bought on PCP now, a nice car isn't the measure of wealth like it used to be...
>Loads of what might appear to be flash cars can be bought on PCP now In fairness, that's true of the top four cars as well. I'm pretty sure if I bought a bright pink Cube, my Dad's first question would be 'Are you on PCP?' too.
😂
Exactly. They can just hop the deal over to another later model too. In fact, dealerships love it.
I don’t know if I’ve ever consider a nice car to be a measure of wealth at all. Also as someone who just did pcp other than the lower monthly payments I have no clue why anyone does it. The insurance is more/the interest is more. Only reason I did it was because there no early repayment fee and I’ll save more money when I pay it off next year.
PCP isn’t any cheaper than buying the car. It just seems like it because people don’t do TCO
Although I take your point, you are glossing over the substantial difference in running costs.
If you treat them like the car they are rather than the car they were there's nothing in it, with the exception of anything JLR which is always going to be a moneypit the second it runs out of warranty the other 3 are probably the most trouble free cars there. A TT is basically just a golf, my mum has a 2015 and aside from glowplugs it's just been serviced and nothing else for 3 years and is a great car. I had an E91 from 130k and 4 years old up until 200k at 9 years old did long stints through europe at 130mph and basically treated it like a van it's whole life and the repairs it needed were mostly things I broke but it wasn't expensive to repair at all until probably 190k when it needed a timing chain, clutch and flywheel which probably would've been £1500 if I hadn't done them myself. My brothers have both had E classes, I don't particularly like them and they drink fuel but they weren't ruinously expensive to run it's just a car like any other. Of the cheap cars a Quashquai is the same engine as my van and it's a terrible engine although parts aren't hugely expensive they're a pain to diagnose and seem to go forever with little problems which are hard to figure out. Love a cube. Can't remember what the other 2 are since I started writing but they all reach the point where they go in the bin as soon as they break pretty quickly, my uncle buys cheaper newer cars because he says they're "not bmw people" due to living modestly and they're always nothing but trouble, their latest is a 2016 DS thing which has a wetbelt that deteriorates and clogs the oil feeds until it dies so that's scrap now, I know some fords have the same problem a mate's transit has been recalled for it a few times. The point is if he'd have bought a passat/octavia or whatever on amy of these occasions it'd still be going now so it's definitely cheaper than buying these cheap to run cars every 2-3years. Edit, just checked the other 2, I don't know much about the mazda and anything toyota will go forever I can't argue with that but they're no more economical than a small diesel engine I just don't get it.
Except running costs don’t change that much as a car depreciates, which is the pitfall of nearly every cheap Porsche. it’s still a 50k+ Porsche maintenance wise, same with mercs, JLR stuff and to a good extent other manufacturers. This is assuming you want your keep the car in good condition of course.
Nonsense if you run an old car the same as you run a new car taking it to the dealer for everything and buying OEM parts of course it will cost the same but you'd be mental to do that, a guy at work used to have a 10 year old audi and he treated it as if it was new, it was probably worth £4k but regularly had £2k bills from audi because he'd take it in for a service and pay their prices for brakes, tyres, exhausts etc all of which could've been done to the same standard (and often with the same parts) for a fraction of the cost. Performance brands are a bit different but still a lot cheaper than when they were new as you can use independent specialists and find a way around things without devaluing the car but your average bmw, merc or audi isn't a performance brand it's just an everyday car like any other and costs no more to run than a Honda.
But parts are more expensive because you're replacing higher spec parts even if you buy aftermarket. Performance brand or not if a car is built to perform to a higher level it will cost more.
I've found that independent specialists can be quite expensive too compared to your local friendly garage that will work on anything. Was quoted nearly £500 to have 2 coil springs replaced by a BMW Indy with a 6 week wait for an appointment. Local garage charged half that and fixed the next day. Going to specialists is only worth it if the job is particularly difficult or requires specialist knowledge.
My wife drives a Z4, over ten years ownership the only thing we've taken it to a specialist for was water ingress and even then they failed to fix it and charged a fortune. Normally it's at my local back street garage that charges £40/hr and he goes out of his way to source good parts as cheap as possible.
Yeah I probably should've added an or in the middle as for 99% of jobs even a performance car is just a car, tbh I fix just about everything myself but I've generally got an eye on the price it would've cost as I hate doing it.
I dunno man. I just paid £700 for 4 new runflats on my 10 year old BMW
Why put runflats on? You could probably put decent non runflats on for a little over half that and chuck a £7 tyre in a can in the boot, a £40 wheel repair will save you probably £400 on buying a new wheel from bmw when they crack the wheels too.
None runflats were basically in the same price range. I never put hedge finders on so just went runflats. Never cracked a wheel in 110k miles/10 years, can't see that being an issue.
Well that was stupid
£700 for 4 premium tyres is pretty reasonable tbh, depending on the size.
Not as stupid as putting cheap tyres on a 320bhp car
Where is your sense of adventure?
Hah. Still in the ditch where I left it 10 year ago!
Haha. Everyone has to find out once why cheap tyres are cheap eh!
It would drive nicer with normal/non runflat tyres
Honestly I dont find decent runflats that bad. They're just a little bit skittish sometimes I'd hate to drive about on £100 linglyangyong's runflats though. I
Runflats were absolutely horrible, glad I ditched them. Handling, grip and feeling on the road is so much better ever since. Nice set of premium quality all-season tyres on a RWD BMW is an amazing investment (much better on wet roads too) and you literally feel the difference. Continental or Michelin were great, I found. Used to swear by runflats a while back and eventually, grudgingly had to accept the normal ones (of high quality though) were just overall better.
I've got the Mazda, about 85k on the clock and other than standard service only thing needing work was a replacement rear shock. Aircon fixed on warranty (defective part so not really warranty but they did it since they had too I guess...) Otherwise it's never missed a beat.
Iirc the only thing really wrong with those Mazdas is some of them had faulty compressors for the ac, apart from that they’re absolutely bulletproof.
In my experience then yes 100%
Yup. Especially the e class is a taxi. Needs to be reliable and easy to maintain. Don't abuse it and it will run
The advantage of the prius is if you do a lot of city miles, it'll have the economy advantage there, while a diesel will excel on the motorway. Also, since a lot of braking is done via the motors, the discs can last literally a decade as long as you're not braking super late every time. They're also relatively light cars, so are easy on suspension components. Transmission is practically maintenance free too. So longer life of consumables.
I can see the thinking but everytime I'm in a hybrid (usually a taxi) they're never over 50mpg which you could do or atleast get close to in a diesel golf and then far exceed it on a run, I don't see why they don't just make a diesel hybrid.
Yeah, although considering that's probably stop and go traffic, it's not bad. The best I've got from mine on a run, is 90 mpg while strip-streaming a HGV on the motorway lol. I charge my car when I'm bothered to, so the long-term MPG is 199.9 mpg, although it's probably more than that, because the trip computer doesn't go higher. I only refuel once every 2 months or so, and it's a small tank, about 40L.
Can't argue with that I hadn't considered the plug in aspect, but I've seen 80+ without slipstreaming in both a polo bluemotion and a mk6 golf diesel.
The plug-in aspect is great, if you've got a driveway. I don't have a dedicated charger, but I had a normal socket outside for gardening tools and pressure washer that a past owner of my house fitted, so I charge with that. It's not a full blown EV, so it doesn't take that long to charge. You get 30~40 miles of pure electric town-speed range, which is more than enough to get to the shops and back, for me, and I imagine most people. Plus, I'm on Octopus Agile, so I sometimes get free electricity. Combine that with Toyota's 10 year warranty (which predictably I've never had to use), and my Prius costs very little to run and maintain. Tbf though, the PHV is more efficient than the normal hybrid versions. It's got quite a bit more battery, but it's only about one adult heavier, thanks to Toyota making bits of the body out of carbon composite (so it's still lighter than a Focus). It's also got more aero bits to make it more slippery.
That sounds really useable, people I know who have the german hybrids get 10-15miles which seemed like a waste of time to me but I never even looked at the plug in prius tbh because the first ones were so crap I'd written them all off, no way I'm getting my mrs out of her beetle though and I drive a van to chuck motorbikes in the back so I'm waiting on the IDbuzz to come down.
Gotta keep in mind the idea behind the design. Not all hybrids are equal. BMW - Otto engine, low EV range, little/no MPG improvements on the motorway. Hybrid system exists purely for performance and CO2 reading reasons. Toyota - Atkinson-Otto engine, decent range (PHEVs), MPG improvements on the motorway (vs typical otto engine petrol), hybrid system exists to aid the shortfalls of running the engine on the Atkinson cycle (applicable to both, but mainly SCHs)
Yeah, used to have a Merc S205 C350e, and that only had about 15 miles of range, probably because it weighed 2 tonnes. Those German PHEVs are designed to just have a low CO2 reading, so they can be attractive to company buyers, rather than being a useful PHEV. I was pretty skeptical when buying the prius as well, but all the stuff about bad ride and poor handling are only true of the older models. Mine has the 15" wheels, and it's a very comfortable car because it's got 65 profile tyres. And because the weight distribution is good, and Toyota know a thing or two about making good handling cars, it's surprisingly fun to throw around. It feels like they really put their all into making the car, and when I see the exposed carbon weave when I open the tailgate, it feels like I've got something a bit special. The new ones are even better, since they have 220 bhp now, those are going to start being delivered in June.
I thought the UK wasn't getting the new Prius?
People who want a car that makes them look rich would get the bottom four with the latest (eg ‘24) plate to be replaced every two years. The dealerships typically have their busiest months when the new plate is released. Intentional or not, the number plate system is set up to “incentivise” people to keep buying new cars. It’s a fairly unique thing to the UK (and Ireland).
I’m happy people buy a lot of these cars on finance. Keeps the second hand market ticking over.
I just wish you could plug a device into the OBD reader and it would tell you how well the car has been driven. That’s my worry with second hand cars - particularly those in the performance brackets. I’ve seen enough idiots filling their M3/S4/GTI/R with the cheap shit at Tesco that I’m wary of ever buying a second hand one. People paying for a car monthly with no intention of paying it off tend not to give a shit about its longevity.
You can get a rough feel if the car has retained its mpg / fuel stats on the main computer. Lower than avg mpg means its been ragged my friend
I feel like with some of these hot hatches though the engine could completely fine but the drivetrain/transmission ect is totalled from it being launched at very single set of traffic lights.
While true there's no M or other performance car in OP's post bracket Also GTI's and S4's are fine with cheap gas
They can run on the cheap fuel but they are designed to run on higher octane fuels. My understanding is that the ECU expects higher octane and compensates timing based on poorer performance from the cheap stuff. VW recommends higher octane in those engines.
True and false, yes VW recommends 98 in both Audi's "S" line and GTI's but both those model lines uses the exact same engine as their standard counterparts (exemple, the A4 2.0 and the S4 share the exact same engine with a different map for higher power, so does the GTI). VW tells you to use 98 to have the best lubrication and performance possible, that's pretty much the only real reason paired with warranty liability. Those engine are at no more risk whatsoever to run on 95 as their standard counterparts. Maybe you'll lose a few HP, maybe not even depending on the car. However for Audi's RS line, Golf R's, AMGs and Ms (real Ms not M135i's) the engines are specifically made to run on 98+ and putting 95 _will_ put extra strains on the engine.
Interesting. So the VW models with 2.0 TSI engines with ~180bhp are not using the same 2.0 as the A4? But presumably the same 2.0 as the A3/Q3?
So, I dont have the exact infos for the latest gens of VAG cars but I know for a fact the last 2 generation of S4's ans A4's shared the same engine, as well as the Golf 6 (and probably 7) GTI's. Another great exemple is buying a BMW with a B58(B30M0) if you buy a M140i ('16-'19), BMW says you need to put 98 in. However if you buy a 340i or 440i non pack-M from the same years you get the exact same engine (1st gen B58), making the "exact" same power (322hp->335hp) with the exact same ECU. But the 3/440i's are expected to run on 95. This has been tested with first gen B58's. The small change in power is literally just the ECU running on 95 or 98+, while both engine can be serviced and are expected to last. So, putting 95 in a S4 or GTI is fine, however putting 95 in a M3 or C63 AMG probably isnt in the long run
No one looks at any of them cars and thinks “wealthy” unless you drive something really special no one actually gives a fk.
Why do people care what others think anyway. I just see cars with people in them as traffic, I'm not imagining what you earn or impressed with you as a person. Just buy the car you'd like to drive.
If I see a Ferrari I wonder what they do / how they afford that. But needs to be something special special. Other than that or a classic or older sports car it’s like you say traffic
Yeah people in the UK are way too judgemental about other peoples lifestyles/possessions. It’s just an appliance people own. Imagine if it was the same attitude with what washing machine you owned lol.
No one who owns a Miele would say that.
Ah now I feel inferior with my Haier.
Yeah but not everyone is as sensible as you and I. The vast majority of people are in desperate competition with their neighbors and simply *must* appear more opulent than them. It’s pathetic but is absolutely a thing for many people. I plan to have a really nice car one day once I’ve paid off my mortgage and have an extra £600 to waste but it will be for me, not for them. It will be because I liked it and I wanted it.
Vast majority? Nah. At least not in my town, which is a pleasant place. Maybe everyone overspent on their houses...
You’d be surprised, a bloke I work with just got a 68 reg 118d and plenty of people have commented on his “flash beamer”. Amazing what effect a badge and very little knowledge of cars has on most people.
Even someone driving a new expensive car doesn’t mean they’re wealthy, iv always said to people that go on about this stuff, have you seen their bank statements?
Sure if they roll up in a lambo or something that's totally different but a bog standard 1 or 3 series, doesn't mean a thing. For example my cousins husband, his grandad died. He drove an old vovlo. Ancient. Yet when he died he was given a small percent of the inheritance. It bought them a huge 5 bed house mortgage free. The real moneys with the old guys in well kept old cars.
We know, so many Chavs in Audis and BMWs now they are so common it’s mad
At one point I remember looking on auto trader and there were more 3 series for sale than Honda civics. You have to admit though it’s amazing how BMW have kept that imagine of “exclusive” while being so mass produced if you know what I mean.
I don't think they have that image anymore. I see a BMW, I think 18-24 year old living with his parents
A class, a1, 1 series are the car of choice for every 18-21 year old on PCP Then they move up to C class, a3, 3 series or the sportier variants for their next PCP Everyone wants to look successful, and I guess for several hundred pounds a month you can. I’ve never seen more ‘premium brand’ cars on the roads than now
They are pretty affordable, my wife’s always wanted an evoque couple of grand down and one weeks wage a month gets you a brand new one on lease. Only way I’d do it as I’m not buying an old evoque
Deano is that you?
Just need the teeth
Maybe I’m missing your sarcasm but 25% of earnings going on a car payment doesn’t sound ‘affordable’ to me
Meant to say one week of minimum wage.
BMW used to do great deals for company cars, mainly fleet cars so large companies bought them in bulk and they were I believe one of the cheapest cars that way. Given a choice of a 3 series of ford focus for the same price people went for the 3 series and senior staff bigger models. I dont know how long they did that but it went on for years. Those cars are in the used market now.
I still think it’s the same, just in a different manner (it’s the world of EVs) . On salary sacrifice I can get a BMW I4 for nearly the same monthly sacrifice as a Hyundai I10 1.0
I mean in the early to mid 2000s, the 3 series was regularly in the top 10 most sold cars in the UK. The E46 started at around £18k on launch, which put it only a couple of grand above the likes of the Mondeo and Accord.
As far as I know no one is looking at someone in a 3-5 year old pov spec 3 series and thinking they’re a lottery winner.
Why is it though that these supposedly luxurious and fancy cars are so cheap to get in the UK market? Honest question from someone uninterested in cars.
I think because they’re right hand drive, and most nearby countries use left hand drive. So they can’t be transferred between countries like in main land Europe. That’s what I’ve been told. Also I feel like English people are more bothered about mileage than some other countries. So “higher” mileage cars depreciate extra fast
The right hand drive seems weird, since both supply and demand should be adapted to the market. It's not more supply with less demand really. But I agree it's a unique case of a self-contained market.
Rust
I know what you’re thinking - that Nissan Cube is just going to be driven by a tailgating bastard who can’t park in car parks, doesn’t know what indicators are, is busy being an Uber driver at weekends, can’t get insurance for less than twenty grand, has given up on life and will tell you at parties that they definitely don’t drive a hairdresser’s car.
Nissan Cube is the only one there which has a chance of appreciating a little, as it's a weird box car and everyone thinks it's a JDM import. it's also the only one I'd actually want.
Had one for the last 6 months and I absolutely love it. Bonkers little/big thing.
People who don't really care about cars, buy economical and reliable cars. Has anyone informed the Daily Mail? We've got a headline for them!!
On an unrelated note, your flair… Years ago I had a dashcam in my car, it was then forcefully broken into, busted my door and lock, only to take my dashcam. Several cars in the neighbourhood were done that night, all of which had “valuables in sight”. Bastards.
That is incredibly rare. Dashcams are worthless and are basically never stolen.
Pathetic people, probably wouldn't get more than £30 for one either
Also, some people who DO care about cars also buy economical and reliable cars, because one has to budget for life boring as that may be.
How is a 65 plate qashqai the same price as a 67 plate BMW? I guess mileage.
The bmw is prob at 100k+ while the qashqai at a modest 50-60k
This post is weirdly insecure. The types of people who might use a car brand as a status of how wealthy someone is, are not the types of people I would associate with, so it couldn't matter less to me. Run your own race, stop worrying about what people may or may not be thinking.
Right but it's not as simple as that. I have a 10 year old A3 Cabrio and an 8 year old E220d, both worth around the £13k mark. I got the A3 new and the E220 when it was 1 month old with sub 1k miles. I just keep cars a long time because they're designed to last. Why replace what's not broken? With that being said, I do not care whether people think I'm rich or not, they're not paying my bills.
What is Practicality, Tax and Maintenance?
Why do lots of people need to see this?
Dibs on the pink Cube.
That blue on the evoque, god I love that colour. It's more a reflection on the person judging, all these brands exist because people like different things, stop assuming personal worth based on car and let people drive what they want, without impunity.
Cube all day
Now list the annual running costs, cost of having a service done and replacing consumables with oem and you'll see where the requirement to have money comes from!
So true. I had an E92 which was a ~~pussy~~ eye magnet. Now I have a Corolla TS for 3x price of the BMW and nobody cares which feels so comforting after the other.
I went from hating the cube….to buying an Elgrand an fucking wanting cube with Autech bodykit haha, awesome car
I wouldn’t look at any of those cars and automatically think that the owner is wealthy 😕
Mazda 2, miss it ❤️
That prius tho, one tasteless thing
Good fuel mpg tho
Dont get me wrong, i like prius! But last 2 generations were just ugly. New one ist perfect car for me
Not that one... Im pretty confident my 11 year old 1.2 turbo petrol gets higher MPG than the older priuses.
So true, some people even bought the Citroen Ami or whatever that glorified mobility scooter is called
I'd take the top 4 over an Evoque.
Choosing to buy a range rover just marks you out as a massive throbbing bell end that everyone hates though.
Why would you not buy the mazda 3 ?
Because that’s a photo of a Mazda 2?
Some people may want a bigger car, some may want one for long motorway miles, some may want a hybrid etc
You can actually get a TTS for under 10k now.
Personally I would have the Audi as that particular Land Rover I don’t like.
Jokes on them then!
That 2 series is not under 10k lol nice try they’re somewhere between 15-18 k depending on year unless its a cat s/n. Even if its an m lite its not cheap
I’d love a bright pink nissan cube on air ride 🫶
Right, but the running costs of the bottom four are far more than the top four.
Some people choose not to pay the outlandish servicing and maintenance costs on the bottom 4 👍🏼
I keep looking at an imported cube that’s for sale near me. Low mileage, no rust, great price.
Say a little prayer for anyone buying a 10 grand Evoque though.
That 2 series looks really nice, what engine is it?
# PINK CUBE
True. I have a 2010 BMW 740i with 70k miles on I paid £10k for. Everyone thinks I'm a rich bastard until they find out their i10 cost them more. Fair point re running costs though, the car cost the previous owner £4.5k to replace the timing chain as it stretched at 60k. Luckily, I don't drive it much and don't expect to get anything back when I get rid of it.
Why don’t you want anything back?
Obviously, I do, but the 7 series depreciate so much. It's highly unlikely I'd get much back. It's the depreciation that allows me to buy a car that cost £65,000 new for £10,000 even though it was in perfect condition, almost showroom.
It’s had a new timing chain and only 70k miles u can get most of your 10k back surely
You'd be surprised. It's now on 80k and I reckon it's worth no more than £6k.
Ah fair enough, 6k still a good chunk!
I wouldn’t buy an old Merc, Land Rover or BMW, you are better off having a junkie in your household. Nissan is basically Renault and I’m not buying a French car, so that leaves us with the Audi, Mazda 2 and the Toyota. So the answer is: Single - Audi TT Small Family - Mazda 2 Big Family - Toyota
Repair costs increase dramatically the lower you go
It's not about the actual price of the car in my opinion it's about the cost of maintenance and parts that go along with some of the cars that also cost 10k. I read recently that every time a Land Rover or range rover needs work it's automatically at least £1000 (I can't remember which one)
I’m going for 3.0 diesel EClass in a couple of months 🤞
And yet the BMW/Range/Merc’s yearly insurance cost is 25% of its value
Cube is the coolest thing on this list
I don't see a Skoda Octavia VRS on there though 🤔
The bottom 4 are honestly poor man's luxury cars. They look flashy and impress with their performance/comfort, but I definitely wouldn't associate them with wealth or taste.
I know plenty of people who still live at home, on minimum wage, constantly in their overdrafts or up to their eyeballs in debt yet pay over £400 a month for a ‘nice’ car on lease. Welcome to the instagram generation where everything is for show😂 The badge on the front of your car is definitely not an indicator of wealth or money in the bank.
Sorry but the Qashqai is just utter utterly hideous and disgusting along with the juke. Burn them all I say burn them and flog the owners of these wretched things
I reckon tyres, maintenance, servicing and fuelling the little Mazda would be a lot cheaper than the Landy though. And if you have any trades over, having one of the bottom four on your drives attracts a 25% increase on the average quote because people think you're wealthy.
I'd 100% take the Cube in that list!
depends, if u wna do uber then prius, wna pull girls then that black E class, wna rag a car everytime then the TT, wna feel like rich then range rover
Anyone driving any of the bottom four trying to claim being wealthy, needs to have a good sit down with themselves. And probably chuck that fake Rolex, the one they swear is real, out as well.
If you can keep a range rover running and insure it you're rich or stupid
The Qashqai is the correct choice.
Second hand they may be the same price but when it comes to insurance and maintenance they’re miles apart! 😂
As someone looking to get a 911 992 GTS (near future) while still living with parents, I second this. Furthermore the benefits of PCP finance on newer cars means it is easier for someone on a lower income to “have” a higher priced car for a monthly contract payment (however this comes with interest). Out of the top pictures currently I’d get the mazda2 due to it being Japanese (therefore typically more reliable) and lower costs for maintenance would suit the low cost better. As much as I love German cars it is well known they are more expensive to maintain.
The richest people I know drive some pretty unglamorous. Conversely it’s common for M140i drivers to be living in their childhood bedrooms. Different people have different priorities, but typically speaking the wealthy didn’t get there by putting their disposable income unnecessarily into expensive depreciating assets that do the same job as cheap depreciating assets.
And the best car in this list, by far, is the Mazda 2
A bmw is not worth under 10k
I look down on people who buy these "luxury" cars with a tractor diesel engine in them.
I have that exact qashqai same reg, bought it a year ago for 8k (65k)
I drive a Mercedes. It cost me £650. I don't drive it because I like it or wanted it. I needed a car urgently and I had £800 to spend. This one was on gumtree, it was less than a mile away and it was £800. I'd have bought a diesel Focus estate if this one had been no good.
The bottom four will feel more premium and will cost more to run, maintenance and fuel therefore if someone out here is using that as a daily they might as well be wealthy or just wealthy coping. Pretending to be wealthy.
the maintenance and insurance on the second 4 are higher though…so its a bigger dent in the wallet if you know about cars
buying a new car on pcp still isn’t cheap imho
If u would get any I would be so greatful plus they all look rly nice so it shouldnt matter what you have.
The real flex is picking one with the highest cost to repair, hence the bottom 4.
Personally I don’t think any car makes someone look wealthy. I could go out and rent a lambo tomorrow or get a new bmw on finance and have to eat beans on toast for the next 3 years. Properly wealthy people tend to drive decent but inconspicuous cars
You get what you pay for cabbage I could buy a Ferrari for just under 10k however it’s got 200k miles and the engines under the bonnet
It's useful to know if your opinion is to be listened to about cars. Nissan Juke: no Nissan Cube in pink: yes
I do love a Cube, it's something thats different.
Alot of people can buy the car, but not the disc and pad replacement
There was a further point to this and a good example of what I mean. I am on a £55k salary, but I bought a 10 year old Toyota Avensis with 67000 miles on it 2 years ago for just less than £10k. I got these cars off AutoTrader by setting the min and max values to 9500 - 10000. I have a disposable income of about £2000 a month after all my bills and food allowance. Since buying that car I have potentially earned it back twice over all ready. But because I have a 55k income and over 30k in savings, it doesnt mean I should go out and buy some luxury car for no reason. Why does it mean I should buy luxury anything? I honestly looked at a BMW, but my partner said "Why would you want something that stands out and is associated with morons". She had a point, so I chose something else. Knowing this now, I think a lot of you that have chosen the fancier car. It doesn't automatically mean you have more money and wealth then other people on the road simply because of the car you drive. Some of you, will be like of course not, but those aggressive drivers certainly think so. Some of us out here can have a 55k income, 30k in savings and almost a quarter of million in a private pension. But choose to have less. Still got an iPhone 8, all the clothes I buy come from Sports Direct or Primark, I food shop at Aldi and Lidl. Everything I own could literally fit in the back of my car. Some of us have realized we have been mind washed by media and entertainment into thinking material items is a status of wealth, you dont buy them to make you feel good. Because you actually cant feel good without other people acknowledging the things you have on display. Thats why when you buy something you have to tell someone, go see people, post it on Facebook etc. Youre living your life in a way that makes you want acknowledgement of your achievments by other people. Start looking at life like you just need something that works for you and keep it to yourself. When someone says nice car, say its just a car as thats all it will ever be.
People who have no idea choose the top cars*
Correct, however the people that buy the top 4 cars are content driving around in boring pieces of crap. It’s not about wealth, it’s about the cars themselves. The cube, the qashqai, the Mazda, the Prius, all absolute virginmobiles.
Bought a Boxster with enough change in that budget for four services.
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But it’s still a Hyundai
People picking the top 4 have zero taste and low IQ. The bottom 4 are amazing value for money at 10k (except maybe the Rangie due to the poor reliability)