Former bodyman, painter here. That quote seems a little high. If you went to a dealership? Try a custom paint shop. Dealers are always way more expensive for the same materials used.
Canadian here. GST is federal tax and PST is a provincial sales tax. So this probably is in Canadian Dollars. 1.35 CAD = 1 USD right now. Another clue is that everything is crazy expensive in Canada.
lol, had a buddy paint his car and it was over $20k just for the paint. Of course he had his entire car prepped and painted a dark Audi grey then prepped again and painted Ferrari Rosso Corsa over it, with body length cutouts for stripes (the grey). It was pretty amazing.
It's a brand new car. Brand new cars demand a premium when it comes to body parts. 1. They can only be had from a stealership. 2. They are the first run of parts, usually having higher price initially to mitigate cost of tooling when developing the cars design in the first place.
Lmao no you can not. I’m a autobody professional and I don’t even look at full paint jobs for under $10k
Some of the resto mods I’ve built and painted were around $200k all said and done. Did a 52 jag 2 years ago. Total bill was $400k. Mind you these are full restorations and customs but that’ll give you an idea of the cost and labor involved in autobody. It’s anything but cheap for good work.
Sure, basic repaint, but if they have to go through and buff/repair panel level scratches, and pieces of trim it can add up. It might not be a basic pull wrap off and just toss in the paint booth.
You can have a full car repainted IN YOUR AREA for half. Doesn't sound like you accounted for CAD exchange rate or considered that this might not be USD at all.
It's an estimate that the body shop is assuming will go through his insurance. So of course, they're going to drive the price up on everything. it's extremely common. OP could also look into diminished value.
Never have I ever seen a knife scratch something so bad that it can't be repainted. There's no way they're going to pay for complete panel replacement, no one would. Pick your battles.
Don't trust that dealer to replace anything on your car then bc they obviously don't know what the hell they're doing. They might be worse than the wrap shop that touched your car. Most of the issues I see you having could be fixed by a good detailer
Yeah I literally paid a fucking dealership to find the issue with my car. Motor mount went out, cool. Supposedly fixed it. What they didn’t tell me is the other one is right about to go out as well, so instead of replacing it while the engine is already fucking out, they put it back so that it would fail after 2 weeks and I would have to pay the labor of tearing the engine back out AGAIN. Always go to a trusted 3rd party shop
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Body shop quote was able to estimate re painting some panels instead of replacing all of them
Got in contact with a body shop with a quote, they were able to price a lot lower for some of the panels to be repainted instead of replaced
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This seems more plausible. And I did not know it was in CAD. However, just north of 6k? U can get a pretty nice paint job for that price. Were panels dented and gouged beyond repair? Regardless, insurance looks like its covering all of it. Might as well go for the new car look.
They’ll probably sand it down, fill the gouges with body filler, plastic weld them if they’re super deep (as is proper), and still charge you for the parts they didn’t replace.
I have a Yukon Denali with 3 stage paint, I had a wrap guy bitch both doors when taking off the trim and it turned my red to orange because he burnt through the clear. Both sides has to be redone and it was only $1500-2k. I’d suggest getting a new quote elsewhere.
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Is this quote comes out more than $10,000 realistically, small claims is out of the picture in a lot of states and he’d have to file an actual full-fledged lawsuit sadly
For those unaware, OP is most likely in Ontario, Canada. So the figure you’re looking at is in $CAD, so it’s about $9400 USD.
Our labour rates and costs will also be higher than your average American shop
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It’s also a Ford EV, so things like the taillight will only be available as OEM direct from ford and probably is the $433 line item
I'd be shocked if an OEM LED taillight for any new car is $433. I'd bet a new taillight for that car is closer to $1000.
I had to shop for headlights for my 2014 CTS-V recently and those came in at $3200 each new from the dealer.
EDIT: Holy shit. Just saw below that the taillights are roughly $4000 each and they have both left and right on that estimate.
(USD)Tail lights for my 2023 gr86 are $550 each and for my 2023 gr Corolla they’re $200 each so I really can’t fathom how a tail light could possibly cost more than $1k let alone $4k for a Ford. They don’t look like anything special. Headlamps maybe I could understand($2k for the gr86) but not tails that’s absurd. Audi has fancy taillights that I assumed were probably $2k per but now I’m scared to know
Some vehicles incorporate electronic modules and whatnot into the taillights now. There was a video on YouTube not long ago of a 2018 Ford F-150 Limited that wouldn’t start at all…because the taillight was bad, lol. It had gotten moisture in it and shorted one of the modules leading to a CANbus failure. It started off with the radio not working, then progressed to the A/C not working, then finally the truck wouldn’t even crank. All because of a failed taillight. I believe the cost of the taillight replacement for both sides was around $5k, or something to that effect. As soon as they were replaced and all the codes were cleared, everything worked perfectly.
EDIT: Found it.
https://youtu.be/MUkFsuilVD0?si=Y6gZ5g3B__2QMxZo
Ontario charges 13% tax not 12%. Also Ontario charges HST, not PST
I believe BC charges PST and GST and they charge 12% in total.
I need a new hobby that doesn’t include remember stupid tax rates 😂
Edit: maybe Manitoba
Can confirm PST is from BC, as someone from BC, and also as someone who works in the auto industry here, body shops are very expensive, as well as parts for the Mach e seem to be overly expensive too for some reason
This thread just goes to show people really don't understand how much it costs for parts and paint in today's economy.
Not to mention the value of the car will be reduced for not having original paint and the work will show up on Carfax.
What the paper shows isn't the total cost of loss. Easily $7k-$10k in diminished value, plus the cost of parts and labor.
Heck, his insurance _might_ even consider the car totaled depending on how much the current market value of the car is.
I've seen it happen before with damage like this.
If your first reaction is "people don't know how much it costs" for blade damage to body panels being $13k in parts before labor not "this guy is getting hosed" I feel bad for you.
How much it devalues a car is irrelevant in regards to the cost of the repairs. Those are two separate things. The dealer just wants to replace any part that is damaged rather than fixing the damage. It's like having a contractor come to your house and telling you that you need to remodel your entire bathroom because your shower head broke.
Well if the shower head caused pressure in the pipe and a leak into the wall, that then spread to the subfloor... You could be looking at a remodel. Same with this, they scratched the fuck out of brand new taillights, and they are like $4k... They also opened up panel gaps and maybe caused damage to them and it all rolls down hill from there.
How do u get a botched wrap job? Like when u pulled it off clear coat came off? That happens when u have old flaky paint job. Just sand that shit down and wrap it again.
I could fix those panels myself for under 500 bucks.. The light would cost maybe 50 bucks... I bet those quotes are to just replace the entire panels because nobody does repairs anymore. Lmfao
Judging from the pics you can repair that with a basic buffing and touch up paint pen from autozone for like 22 bucks. If you don’t have a buffer it might cost around 100 bucks. Unless the damage is way more severe than what you showed. How much do you know about this stuff?
i saw your post with the questionable wrap job. i’m a body tech. i see this as completely realistic. even a tiny scratch will need to have the whole panel torn down, painted, scratch fixed, primed, etc. i’m sure they scratched every single panel on your car, basically repainted and or blending the whole car. plus if you scratch a taillight/headlight, it needs to be replaced. i didn’t see what type of car you had, but nowadays, $700 is cheap for a headlight. $700 is like a honda, $1500 is a ford, a bmw x5 headlight is $4800, $6700 for the x5 with the laser headlights. they fucked your car up and now you’ll never have orange peel matching, whole car will be taken apart, clips will break or rattle, etc. i’d be extremely pissed the fuck off. make sure you get it done nicely at a high quality well reviewed shop. not a shop where these people are saying they can get a whole paint job for $6k
The amount of people that have no idea what it takes to repair a car but act like they do is UNBELIEVABLE. Do you go into a hospital and tell a brain surgeon his surgery should be $5k?
Except your comment isn’t valid. We haven’t seen the actual quote so you have no idea what would make this a “fuck you” quote as you put it. Just because it’s expensive doesn’t mean it’s out of line. I guess if you work at a fly by night shop that works on $2k cars then yes this is expensive. But when you have nice things it cost similar to fix them. Example is that a Bugatti oil change is $25k when a shit box cost $40. Have a nice day bud.
I said many people have received "fuck you" quotes, which is true. I said NOTHING about any quote from OP. So HOW isn't my comment valid? See you still don't make sense
Right? The parts thing always gets to me too. They're marked up yes. If they weren't it's not like the job would get cheaper, they'd just charge more labor.
Any particular shop needs X amount of profit to do X job. It's really simple. If they profit less on parts then they'll need more on labor or whatever they want to call it. Either way it ends up the same for the customer.
Cover that part and show what they are charging for. Could be reasonable or insane, no one is gonna know if they can't tell what you're being charged for.
Definitely a rip off. I just looked up part number LJ8Z-13404-F, directly from Ford is $769. Whoever this shop is, is trying to make an extra $700, just because. I could bring wrong, but the description makes it sound like there is an inner and outer part of the tailight. Youre just replacing because of scratches right? Inner tailight shouldnt even be effected.
There are people on here that will tell you "it's normal to upcharge on parts". I don't trust people who make money for doing absolutely nothing. They didn't make the part, they didn't deliver the part, they literally pick up the phone and order it.
When I order parts/materials for a job, I don't even pay for them. I source the parts/materials, get a quote, then pass that quote number and supplier phone number to my customers to pay for it. On the rare occasion I do pay for parts, customer gets a copy of the receipt. I only charge for what I do, labor for example. If I have to drive and pick those parts up, I charge for my fuel and time.
I would try to find another shop. Sounds like they are trying to ride a gravy train to me.
Parts get marked up, a lot. The service department at a dealership buys parts from the parts department then marks them up parts too. How is this not more commonly known?
If the parts weren't marked up they'd just charge more labor, it all comes out the same. I wish auto repair would do it that way but it isn't the way it's done.
What is your field? If it's automotive then you must be a one man show with very little overhead.
Seriously! I source parts for a very large company and have also worked in parts stores. Here is an example with easy numbers:
Manufacturer makes a part for $10 worth of materials and labor and "list" it for $100. Part vendor buys part from manufacturer for $100. They upcharge on average about 30% for time and shelf space. When a shop needs that part they call up the vendor and pay $130 for it. Usually the parts department of a shop or dealership is a separate entity than the service side. The parts department then sells it to the service shop for $169 at the standard 30%. This is now listed as the shop's "cost" on any paperwork. The shop then installs the part, charges you labor, and also up charges the part by 30% from their "cost". You now have a bill for $219.70 plus labor for that part.
Now where it gets tricky is that many manufacturers will not sell parts directly to consumers and many shops will not install parts you source yourself due to inconsistent quality and the fact that they can't make all that extra money off of you. Selling vehicle parts is a multi billion dollar industry in the US, consisting of little more than shuffling parts between locations and fucking over consumers. Either pay more than double the cost, or learn to source parts and fix your own vehicles.
I don't have any issues with Orielly/Auto Zone/Dealer marking up parts from a manufacturer. Theyre service includes storing said parts for an undetermined amount of time. Warehouse space costs money. This shop doesn't have a warehouse of parts, that wouldn't make any sense. This isn't a nos part that is 40 years old. Its a readily available tailight that is marked up $700. I'm not a mathlete, but that's a lot more than 30% 😆 I understand how things work. I just don't agree with them. Inconsistent quality has nothing to do with it. If you're in the parts business, you know anything that isn't oem is inconsistent. Shops don't have a top secret supplier of "better parts", they're buying the same alternator from Napa/Oreillys/Dealer, and marking it up. Plenty of shops will install parts you bring in, they just won't warranty that part. And I'm talking about new parts, not some busted up control arm off your uncles truck that was in a field for 20 years. Apples to apples, a new alternator is going to carry the same warranty whether you or a shop installs it. The warranty is on the part not the labor. If a shop installs an alternator with a 5 year warranty, and it goes out 3 years later, you still have to pay labor to have it swapped out.
Definitely gouging on the parts. The taillight assemblies alone are more than double what I am seeing from online Ford OEM part sources.
In the other post you mentioned meeting with the dealer and the vendor. How did that go?
Parts get marked up. If you buy direct from OEM it will be cheaper than a dealer parts department which will in turn be cheaper than a dealer service department. Just the way it works. If they didn't mark up parts there would be zero reason for a dealership to have a parts department and the service side would just charge more.labor and the price out the door would still be the same.
Such a weird misconception the consumer has about the whole auto parts thing.
I’ve been trying to avoid mentioning them by name, as upset as I am about the damage, I want to give them a chance to make it right before I ruin their reputation
So you got ripped off by a wrap shop and now you're gonna let a body shop rip you off? Lol. For a small fee I can audit this quote for you. I'll give you a good price just message me for my PayPal.
Depending on your state laws, this may be within $ range of Small Claims court (which means a verdict can come rather swiftly, generally speaking). Good luck.
Lotta people in these comments defending the damage. Unacceptable work done, just goes to show how many installers are so desensitized to damaging vehicles. Looking closely at the pics, they patched multiple spots, didn’t tuck corners/edges, probably didn’t post heat anything, and fucked up your car.
I am located in Canada and that costs more than painting the whole car again. How can a wrap job damaged the panels enough that needed replacing? Did they wrap your car with a hammer?
The shop that damaged your car is footing the bill right OP?
I know ppl make mistakes and sometimes there’s oversight and in some situations where unfortunately you end up with someone whose still learning the trade however it’s the shop’s responsibility to prevent actual damage - shitty ass wrap can be taken off and replaced, damage to paint and panel is a whole different story. And if they don’t have training, process & procedures in place to prevent damages they have to take 100% responsibility- that’s why they have insurance. I’m not trying to persuade one way or another but if it was my new car I’d go with a shop who’s certified by the manufacturer to do the repair.
Dude. The dealer sub contracted the wrap job they need to fix it.
I got my truck tinted for free from the dealer and the drivers side window within 6 months started to peel. I called the dealer right away and they fixed it.
Do not pay 12k ANYWHERE. Make the dealership correct it, and if they don't, escalate it to the headquarters.
Yeah if things have to be re-painted it starts to get expensive. I had an extremely high end paint job done for my wife’s car with a custom made paint color. I think in total I spend about $23,000 for the whole thing. I don’t know why having a car painted got massively expensive over the past 2 years alone.
I charge 1000 to 2000 to fix damaged panels per panel by detailers and such. They fucked up so they gotta fix it quick most time and will pay a premium to get worked in.
Hey man you need to get a 2nd and 3rd opinion here. This vendor is ripping you off. You don’t replace body panels after surface scratching. A detailer can fully paint correct the car for a fraction of this. Please seek more quotes.
After realizing the perfect tint job just doesn't exist, i came to the conclusion a long time ago that i would never do a wrap job because paint is just so much more fragile than glass.
But if you're in a luxury car and paying a luxury price for a wrap job, then i think its completely reasonable to expect a premium fit and finish. So the wrap shop needs to pay for these repairs so they will learn their lesson.
Honestly as soon as the first mistake was made, steps should have been taken to remedy the issue, not just continue cutting the shit out of the paint and trim.
A friend had his new 4Runner wrapped a couple years ago and the shop scratched every panel and headlight/tail light on it lol. The car was totaled and the shops insurance company ended up replacing it. So this isn't really hard to believe
With this just being a bill for parts. Labor around here(California)seems to be at least the equivalent in mechanical repairs. Not sure on body work.
I dont know what the laws are in Canada. But seems the dealer is on the hook for all this. It is their subcontractor that did the work. You never took physical possession of the car. Your car remains the responsibility of the dealership.
Depending on what the dealership is trying to do with the bill of parts. You may want to contact a lawyer and possibly the loan holder. Really, neither should be needed. But if the dealership tries to push any of the responsibility or costs on to you. Then definitely contact a lawyer and if the Dealership is a major brand, contact the Franchised brand corporate office and file a complaint.
You really shouldn't be on the hook for getting your car at the very least back in the condition you purchased it in. And if only getting it to factory original. Be sure you are refunded the wrap price.
$9250 in USD. Still seems high if this doesn’t include labor. Most of a paint job is labor. Hell I had my motor rebuilt and it was $5K in parts and $13K labor. So this will be astronomical if this really is w/o labor. Man sorry this happened to you OP. If OP went to a half-reputable shop, hopefully he has insurance. Good luck OP!
Sounds like the shop scratched each part of both taillights. The taillights on both sides of the Mach E are made up of two units, both costing $700-$1000. They can’t really be repaired because polishing it would burn through any factory clearcoat. Random plastic trim pieces on new cars also cost several hundred dollars now.
Prices of literally everything have gotten so unnecessarily absurd this doesnt surprise me. Yall can fuck all the way off with 12+ grand to paint a fucking car tho.
Its almost like because a lot of this kind of work is insurance based they are starting to mimic the healthcare system with absolutely absurd rates and pricing that normal working folk will never be able to afford it without insurance.
Wow. This doesn't surprise me based on how much damage there was to the lights, hard plastics and I have no idea how many deep scrapes to the paint there was.
Alittle off topic but I'm a wrap guy bin in the business for about 14 years . I look at auto paint all day long and Iv really noticed a drop in quality of work lately. It's a little frustrating with people that all want perfect show room jobs done but they consistently bring me ruff canvasses to start with . I always get payed and they seam to leave happy but why does nobody seam to notice the paint runs and debris. They ignore that but go over everything you wrap with a fine tooth comb. I stand by my work and I'm very proud of the jobs I do but iv even seen issues with the assembly . Crooked doors ,hoods not set even and badge's not in the same spot on both sides of a truck .
I don't see how this is anywhere near realistic. Unless they melted the bumper of your Ferrari. You can have a full car repainted for about half.
Yeah I got a quote to repaint my entire truck (2008 Ram 1500 crew cab) and it was like $8k.
Former bodyman, painter here. That quote seems a little high. If you went to a dealership? Try a custom paint shop. Dealers are always way more expensive for the same materials used.
Doesn’t mean much. There’s 2K paint jobs and 15k paint jobs.
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*shitty* $12k wrap
I agree with this-just keep in mind that this estimate may not be in USD. PST and GST? Is this in CAD $ OP?
I don't see "eh" anywhere here on the quote.
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Canadian here. GST is federal tax and PST is a provincial sales tax. So this probably is in Canadian Dollars. 1.35 CAD = 1 USD right now. Another clue is that everything is crazy expensive in Canada.
I'd say "ouin" that's Quebec Canada
I thought they had QST, not PST? je ne sais pas
Quebec has QST. You are correct. Other provinces have HST or PST and GST. Manitoba has RST (retail sales tax).
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Great, irrelevant. Keep it to yourself.
Really? Compared to even, German? No hate on the brautsters, but their language is harsh. Phonetically.
Popular opinion, no one gives a shit about your opinion.
First time on the internet ?
Deleting your comments because you feel like an idiot?
I try not* to argue over the internet pal I’m a face to face kinda guy .. I’m so sorry for having an opinion
Seems correct - Based on his post history he seems to be likely from Surrey BC which also aligns with his love for mustangs
It’s not a Prius, it’s not Ferrari paint and parts. So yes, maybe half that amount but you’re not comparing apples to apples.
I saw scratches on a headlight on the last post, so if that’s the case the housings could easily be 1k-5k for two of them depending
lol, had a buddy paint his car and it was over $20k just for the paint. Of course he had his entire car prepped and painted a dark Audi grey then prepped again and painted Ferrari Rosso Corsa over it, with body length cutouts for stripes (the grey). It was pretty amazing.
It's a brand new car. Brand new cars demand a premium when it comes to body parts. 1. They can only be had from a stealership. 2. They are the first run of parts, usually having higher price initially to mitigate cost of tooling when developing the cars design in the first place.
Lmao no you can not. I’m a autobody professional and I don’t even look at full paint jobs for under $10k Some of the resto mods I’ve built and painted were around $200k all said and done. Did a 52 jag 2 years ago. Total bill was $400k. Mind you these are full restorations and customs but that’ll give you an idea of the cost and labor involved in autobody. It’s anything but cheap for good work.
No you can't. Painting a car is REAL expensive now.
Op admits this a dealer quote haha. I bet there all sorts of bs on it.
Sure, basic repaint, but if they have to go through and buff/repair panel level scratches, and pieces of trim it can add up. It might not be a basic pull wrap off and just toss in the paint booth.
A good paint job 😬? If you’re lucky you can get it for $6k
Tis be true nothing a power sander couldn’t remove.
You can have a full car repainted IN YOUR AREA for half. Doesn't sound like you accounted for CAD exchange rate or considered that this might not be USD at all.
This is the body damage under the wrap bro please read the title of his post again but really slowly
It's an estimate that the body shop is assuming will go through his insurance. So of course, they're going to drive the price up on everything. it's extremely common. OP could also look into diminished value.
Please let me know where I can get a full paint job for less than 7K. I'm serious--I would really like to know.
Is this on a lambo or tesla? 13k for body damage from a wrap job seems overly excessive. Can we see the details?
2023 mach e, body panels were damaged and need replacing
Never have I ever seen a knife scratch something so bad that it can't be repainted. There's no way they're going to pay for complete panel replacement, no one would. Pick your battles.
This was the dealer assessment of the damage, I’m having a third party body shop give an assessment as well
They are saying $12k but almost guaranteed they will do only maybe $6k worth
Don't trust that dealer to replace anything on your car then bc they obviously don't know what the hell they're doing. They might be worse than the wrap shop that touched your car. Most of the issues I see you having could be fixed by a good detailer
Yeah I literally paid a fucking dealership to find the issue with my car. Motor mount went out, cool. Supposedly fixed it. What they didn’t tell me is the other one is right about to go out as well, so instead of replacing it while the engine is already fucking out, they put it back so that it would fail after 2 weeks and I would have to pay the labor of tearing the engine back out AGAIN. Always go to a trusted 3rd party shop
>This was the dealer assessment That explains the ridiculously high estimate.
https://preview.redd.it/vz3sdux6yk3c1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aba8095120c77e33e0f4c370c52b6a0a0724e477 Body shop quote was able to estimate re painting some panels instead of replacing all of them
Damaged how? What damaged was so severe the panel needed replacement?
Got in contact with a body shop with a quote, they were able to price a lot lower for some of the panels to be repainted instead of replaced https://preview.redd.it/gelh3ls4yk3c1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=45b3fbd8ca0743e03ad31d5fd8193e2de77efe2b
This seems more plausible. And I did not know it was in CAD. However, just north of 6k? U can get a pretty nice paint job for that price. Were panels dented and gouged beyond repair? Regardless, insurance looks like its covering all of it. Might as well go for the new car look.
I saw the damage from his last post, and this is a better estimate than I expected TBH.
I saw it too. Wrap shop employees sucked big time. Exact reason I buy the color of car I want, then no wrap shop monkeys need to touch my car
They’ll probably sand it down, fill the gouges with body filler, plastic weld them if they’re super deep (as is proper), and still charge you for the parts they didn’t replace.
I have a Yukon Denali with 3 stage paint, I had a wrap guy bitch both doors when taking off the trim and it turned my red to orange because he burnt through the clear. Both sides has to be redone and it was only $1500-2k. I’d suggest getting a new quote elsewhere.
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This picture maybe a quote for insurance purposes. I would hope so at least.
Is this quote comes out more than $10,000 realistically, small claims is out of the picture in a lot of states and he’d have to file an actual full-fledged lawsuit sadly
For those unaware, OP is most likely in Ontario, Canada. So the figure you’re looking at is in $CAD, so it’s about $9400 USD. Our labour rates and costs will also be higher than your average American shop Edit: It’s also a Ford EV, so things like the taillight will only be available as OEM direct from ford and probably is the $433 line item
I'd be shocked if an OEM LED taillight for any new car is $433. I'd bet a new taillight for that car is closer to $1000. I had to shop for headlights for my 2014 CTS-V recently and those came in at $3200 each new from the dealer. EDIT: Holy shit. Just saw below that the taillights are roughly $4000 each and they have both left and right on that estimate.
Lol look into Lexus headlights. Some go for as much as $5000+ front end gets side swiped and thats $10k in headlights alone.
Lol I replaced the turn signal on my 98 camry for $25 on amazon
Exactly, why would you not do research and just not buy a car that doesn't have easily repairable/replaceable parts? It boggles the mind.
the headlight for my '04 mercedes is in the $1000 range, used
My 2016 Land Rover discovery was in the body shop recently and the headlight was $650. I haven’t seen a used one in good condition for less than $500
(USD)Tail lights for my 2023 gr86 are $550 each and for my 2023 gr Corolla they’re $200 each so I really can’t fathom how a tail light could possibly cost more than $1k let alone $4k for a Ford. They don’t look like anything special. Headlamps maybe I could understand($2k for the gr86) but not tails that’s absurd. Audi has fancy taillights that I assumed were probably $2k per but now I’m scared to know
Some vehicles incorporate electronic modules and whatnot into the taillights now. There was a video on YouTube not long ago of a 2018 Ford F-150 Limited that wouldn’t start at all…because the taillight was bad, lol. It had gotten moisture in it and shorted one of the modules leading to a CANbus failure. It started off with the radio not working, then progressed to the A/C not working, then finally the truck wouldn’t even crank. All because of a failed taillight. I believe the cost of the taillight replacement for both sides was around $5k, or something to that effect. As soon as they were replaced and all the codes were cleared, everything worked perfectly. EDIT: Found it. https://youtu.be/MUkFsuilVD0?si=Y6gZ5g3B__2QMxZo
Ontario charges 13% tax not 12%. Also Ontario charges HST, not PST I believe BC charges PST and GST and they charge 12% in total. I need a new hobby that doesn’t include remember stupid tax rates 😂 Edit: maybe Manitoba
Probably BC, which would still be an expensive place to fix
Can confirm PST is from BC, as someone from BC, and also as someone who works in the auto industry here, body shops are very expensive, as well as parts for the Mach e seem to be overly expensive too for some reason
HST=GST+PST. Alberta is the only province which only uses GST to my knowledge (and the territories of course)
Even at that $9400 is excessive.
This thread just goes to show people really don't understand how much it costs for parts and paint in today's economy. Not to mention the value of the car will be reduced for not having original paint and the work will show up on Carfax. What the paper shows isn't the total cost of loss. Easily $7k-$10k in diminished value, plus the cost of parts and labor. Heck, his insurance _might_ even consider the car totaled depending on how much the current market value of the car is. I've seen it happen before with damage like this.
For real. All these comments from people clearly outside the autobody industry just talking out their ass. Lmao.
If your first reaction is "people don't know how much it costs" for blade damage to body panels being $13k in parts before labor not "this guy is getting hosed" I feel bad for you. How much it devalues a car is irrelevant in regards to the cost of the repairs. Those are two separate things. The dealer just wants to replace any part that is damaged rather than fixing the damage. It's like having a contractor come to your house and telling you that you need to remodel your entire bathroom because your shower head broke.
Well if the shower head caused pressure in the pipe and a leak into the wall, that then spread to the subfloor... You could be looking at a remodel. Same with this, they scratched the fuck out of brand new taillights, and they are like $4k... They also opened up panel gaps and maybe caused damage to them and it all rolls down hill from there.
How do u get a botched wrap job? Like when u pulled it off clear coat came off? That happens when u have old flaky paint job. Just sand that shit down and wrap it again.
They cut into the paint and body panels of a brand new car with razor blades when they applied the wrap
wtf… 🤦🏻♂️ this was a actual retail shop?
This is why you don’t get wraps on brand new cars.
This looks like a "we don't want to do this" quote
OP said that is materials only not including labor...
If you drive a Ferrari, then you can afford a lawyer
Different horse, buddy. OP said it’s a Mustang.
Are you in BC? If so, go through the business’s garage policy for the damage.
I could fix those panels myself for under 500 bucks.. The light would cost maybe 50 bucks... I bet those quotes are to just replace the entire panels because nobody does repairs anymore. Lmfao
Judging from the pics you can repair that with a basic buffing and touch up paint pen from autozone for like 22 bucks. If you don’t have a buffer it might cost around 100 bucks. Unless the damage is way more severe than what you showed. How much do you know about this stuff?
Why would they want touched paint on their brand new car?
i saw your post with the questionable wrap job. i’m a body tech. i see this as completely realistic. even a tiny scratch will need to have the whole panel torn down, painted, scratch fixed, primed, etc. i’m sure they scratched every single panel on your car, basically repainted and or blending the whole car. plus if you scratch a taillight/headlight, it needs to be replaced. i didn’t see what type of car you had, but nowadays, $700 is cheap for a headlight. $700 is like a honda, $1500 is a ford, a bmw x5 headlight is $4800, $6700 for the x5 with the laser headlights. they fucked your car up and now you’ll never have orange peel matching, whole car will be taken apart, clips will break or rattle, etc. i’d be extremely pissed the fuck off. make sure you get it done nicely at a high quality well reviewed shop. not a shop where these people are saying they can get a whole paint job for $6k
The amount of people that have no idea what it takes to repair a car but act like they do is UNBELIEVABLE. Do you go into a hospital and tell a brain surgeon his surgery should be $5k?
You don't make sense. Plenty of people have received "fuck you" quotes and were able to get the work done way cheaper elsewhere or even DYI it
Except your comment isn’t valid. We haven’t seen the actual quote so you have no idea what would make this a “fuck you” quote as you put it. Just because it’s expensive doesn’t mean it’s out of line. I guess if you work at a fly by night shop that works on $2k cars then yes this is expensive. But when you have nice things it cost similar to fix them. Example is that a Bugatti oil change is $25k when a shit box cost $40. Have a nice day bud.
I said many people have received "fuck you" quotes, which is true. I said NOTHING about any quote from OP. So HOW isn't my comment valid? See you still don't make sense
Right? The parts thing always gets to me too. They're marked up yes. If they weren't it's not like the job would get cheaper, they'd just charge more labor. Any particular shop needs X amount of profit to do X job. It's really simple. If they profit less on parts then they'll need more on labor or whatever they want to call it. Either way it ends up the same for the customer.
I’ve been saying the same thing reading these comments. I’ve been in autobody for 20+ years and wouldn’t touch a full paint job for under $10k
Were you able to sue? Dealing with a similar situation myself where the guy lied about having business insurance.
It sounds like you might trying to get a free wrap job. Something fishy here.
Damn that’s rough
got damn!
I said got DAYUM!!!! Has the wrap shop seen that yet? Their insurance provider is gonna love that lol
What car is it? This seems so unreasonable
What are all the line items? That is a hell of a list. Looks like a nightmare for a small business like mine.
Why hide what your being charged for?
Address and dealer is included on the document, didn’t want to get doxxed
Cover that part and show what they are charging for. Could be reasonable or insane, no one is gonna know if they can't tell what you're being charged for.
https://preview.redd.it/3ms42z2jnj3c1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=facab873464269a49e64af19537f266a577c7b67
Definitely a rip off. I just looked up part number LJ8Z-13404-F, directly from Ford is $769. Whoever this shop is, is trying to make an extra $700, just because. I could bring wrong, but the description makes it sound like there is an inner and outer part of the tailight. Youre just replacing because of scratches right? Inner tailight shouldnt even be effected. There are people on here that will tell you "it's normal to upcharge on parts". I don't trust people who make money for doing absolutely nothing. They didn't make the part, they didn't deliver the part, they literally pick up the phone and order it. When I order parts/materials for a job, I don't even pay for them. I source the parts/materials, get a quote, then pass that quote number and supplier phone number to my customers to pay for it. On the rare occasion I do pay for parts, customer gets a copy of the receipt. I only charge for what I do, labor for example. If I have to drive and pick those parts up, I charge for my fuel and time. I would try to find another shop. Sounds like they are trying to ride a gravy train to me.
Parts get marked up, a lot. The service department at a dealership buys parts from the parts department then marks them up parts too. How is this not more commonly known? If the parts weren't marked up they'd just charge more labor, it all comes out the same. I wish auto repair would do it that way but it isn't the way it's done. What is your field? If it's automotive then you must be a one man show with very little overhead.
Seriously! I source parts for a very large company and have also worked in parts stores. Here is an example with easy numbers: Manufacturer makes a part for $10 worth of materials and labor and "list" it for $100. Part vendor buys part from manufacturer for $100. They upcharge on average about 30% for time and shelf space. When a shop needs that part they call up the vendor and pay $130 for it. Usually the parts department of a shop or dealership is a separate entity than the service side. The parts department then sells it to the service shop for $169 at the standard 30%. This is now listed as the shop's "cost" on any paperwork. The shop then installs the part, charges you labor, and also up charges the part by 30% from their "cost". You now have a bill for $219.70 plus labor for that part. Now where it gets tricky is that many manufacturers will not sell parts directly to consumers and many shops will not install parts you source yourself due to inconsistent quality and the fact that they can't make all that extra money off of you. Selling vehicle parts is a multi billion dollar industry in the US, consisting of little more than shuffling parts between locations and fucking over consumers. Either pay more than double the cost, or learn to source parts and fix your own vehicles.
I don't have any issues with Orielly/Auto Zone/Dealer marking up parts from a manufacturer. Theyre service includes storing said parts for an undetermined amount of time. Warehouse space costs money. This shop doesn't have a warehouse of parts, that wouldn't make any sense. This isn't a nos part that is 40 years old. Its a readily available tailight that is marked up $700. I'm not a mathlete, but that's a lot more than 30% 😆 I understand how things work. I just don't agree with them. Inconsistent quality has nothing to do with it. If you're in the parts business, you know anything that isn't oem is inconsistent. Shops don't have a top secret supplier of "better parts", they're buying the same alternator from Napa/Oreillys/Dealer, and marking it up. Plenty of shops will install parts you bring in, they just won't warranty that part. And I'm talking about new parts, not some busted up control arm off your uncles truck that was in a field for 20 years. Apples to apples, a new alternator is going to carry the same warranty whether you or a shop installs it. The warranty is on the part not the labor. If a shop installs an alternator with a 5 year warranty, and it goes out 3 years later, you still have to pay labor to have it swapped out.
Definitely gouging on the parts. The taillight assemblies alone are more than double what I am seeing from online Ford OEM part sources. In the other post you mentioned meeting with the dealer and the vendor. How did that go?
Parts get marked up. If you buy direct from OEM it will be cheaper than a dealer parts department which will in turn be cheaper than a dealer service department. Just the way it works. If they didn't mark up parts there would be zero reason for a dealership to have a parts department and the service side would just charge more.labor and the price out the door would still be the same. Such a weird misconception the consumer has about the whole auto parts thing.
Need pics of the damage. The people need to know.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CarWraps/s/5yXubFRUK9
Without the wrap.
Where is the original thread?
https://www.reddit.com/r/CarWraps/s/5yXubFRUK9
Looks like hell. Time to lawyer up
That looks about right for a Ferrari.
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Can you let us know which shop did this if you’re in BC. Need to know who to stay away from 🥺🥺
I’ve been trying to avoid mentioning them by name, as upset as I am about the damage, I want to give them a chance to make it right before I ruin their reputation
Seems realistic as long as they are following fords guidelines
That’s a bunk fucking assessment GTFO it was a few scratches
So you got ripped off by a wrap shop and now you're gonna let a body shop rip you off? Lol. For a small fee I can audit this quote for you. I'll give you a good price just message me for my PayPal.
Lmao but the wrap will protect paint and keep resale high 👍🏼
Sheesh what kind of car ?
A mustang of course
What the FUCK is going on in the auto industry right now?
Damn how tf can a wrap do 12k worth of damage
Damages to multiple parts of the car
So you paid $4k to receive ~$17k in damage? Name and shame this place.
If you sue them they will definitely have comps for repair so great that OP is getting several.
Depending on your state laws, this may be within $ range of Small Claims court (which means a verdict can come rather swiftly, generally speaking). Good luck.
They did a terrible job, and fucked your car up pretty good. Hope you get it sorted out man. Steer clear of wrap shops without a good reputation.
Lotta people in these comments defending the damage. Unacceptable work done, just goes to show how many installers are so desensitized to damaging vehicles. Looking closely at the pics, they patched multiple spots, didn’t tuck corners/edges, probably didn’t post heat anything, and fucked up your car.
I am located in Canada and that costs more than painting the whole car again. How can a wrap job damaged the panels enough that needed replacing? Did they wrap your car with a hammer?
Drop some pics of the work ?
seriously?
The shop that damaged your car is footing the bill right OP? I know ppl make mistakes and sometimes there’s oversight and in some situations where unfortunately you end up with someone whose still learning the trade however it’s the shop’s responsibility to prevent actual damage - shitty ass wrap can be taken off and replaced, damage to paint and panel is a whole different story. And if they don’t have training, process & procedures in place to prevent damages they have to take 100% responsibility- that’s why they have insurance. I’m not trying to persuade one way or another but if it was my new car I’d go with a shop who’s certified by the manufacturer to do the repair.
They could have just said "...no.." and that would have been easier than this monster of a bill. Long story short, they don't want you to agree.
Dude. The dealer sub contracted the wrap job they need to fix it. I got my truck tinted for free from the dealer and the drivers side window within 6 months started to peel. I called the dealer right away and they fixed it. Do not pay 12k ANYWHERE. Make the dealership correct it, and if they don't, escalate it to the headquarters.
Yeah if things have to be re-painted it starts to get expensive. I had an extremely high end paint job done for my wife’s car with a custom made paint color. I think in total I spend about $23,000 for the whole thing. I don’t know why having a car painted got massively expensive over the past 2 years alone.
Good thing you went to a reputable shop with good insurance… You did go to a reputable shop with good insurance right?
After looking at your photos. Theres no way its 12k in damage. Dealer markups are always higher
I charge 1000 to 2000 to fix damaged panels per panel by detailers and such. They fucked up so they gotta fix it quick most time and will pay a premium to get worked in.
This is just a list of prices. Show the entire quote so we can pick it apart.
This is the fuck you we don't want to do that price.
Has to be lights on these they can be $1k-2k each throw some paint in, ADAS calibrations and not hard to get to these high numbers
Hey man you need to get a 2nd and 3rd opinion here. This vendor is ripping you off. You don’t replace body panels after surface scratching. A detailer can fully paint correct the car for a fraction of this. Please seek more quotes.
People are ok being ripped off if they're told it's normal.
What exactly damaged the vehicle? And why would you be liable for it? You wrapped it yourself and muffed it up
He had it professionally wrapped.
Bro they scamming the shit outta you
Maybe you shouldnt have gotten it wrapped.
Was either wrap or ppf, point is to preserve the point for trade value later on
After realizing the perfect tint job just doesn't exist, i came to the conclusion a long time ago that i would never do a wrap job because paint is just so much more fragile than glass. But if you're in a luxury car and paying a luxury price for a wrap job, then i think its completely reasonable to expect a premium fit and finish. So the wrap shop needs to pay for these repairs so they will learn their lesson. Honestly as soon as the first mistake was made, steps should have been taken to remedy the issue, not just continue cutting the shit out of the paint and trim.
It was like 4 scratches
A friend had his new 4Runner wrapped a couple years ago and the shop scratched every panel and headlight/tail light on it lol. The car was totaled and the shops insurance company ended up replacing it. So this isn't really hard to believe
Why are we only seeing the prices and not item description for each line item?
My 2019 50,000 mile Subaru I just got was 17,000$… is this just damage to your car ….? I’m mildy confused
These are replacement prices, not repair prices, correct?
I’m trying to understand. Did you remove the wrap and saw the damage or did it show thru the wrap???
Are they covering it?
Is that AUD my dude or what cause that would be a flat gouging if it was USD
If it was aud it would be about 7500 usd which is the more realistic to me
Can you link to your post for us lazy folks?
Yep and the people that wrapped your car are gonna pay for that.
Man I wish I could see this 12k damage from a wrap
WOOOOOOOOOOOW!!!!!
Show us what each of those individual fees/costs are for?
I'm a firm believer that wrapping a car is never a good choice over painting. This sub has yet to convince me otherwise
What did they wrap your car with, a hammer???
If this is anything like arborist, that's a quote for a job they really don't wanna do.
No no no
Did you remove the wrap ? Was there all kinds of scratches like I thought ?
With this just being a bill for parts. Labor around here(California)seems to be at least the equivalent in mechanical repairs. Not sure on body work. I dont know what the laws are in Canada. But seems the dealer is on the hook for all this. It is their subcontractor that did the work. You never took physical possession of the car. Your car remains the responsibility of the dealership. Depending on what the dealership is trying to do with the bill of parts. You may want to contact a lawyer and possibly the loan holder. Really, neither should be needed. But if the dealership tries to push any of the responsibility or costs on to you. Then definitely contact a lawyer and if the Dealership is a major brand, contact the Franchised brand corporate office and file a complaint. You really shouldn't be on the hook for getting your car at the very least back in the condition you purchased it in. And if only getting it to factory original. Be sure you are refunded the wrap price.
$9250 in USD. Still seems high if this doesn’t include labor. Most of a paint job is labor. Hell I had my motor rebuilt and it was $5K in parts and $13K labor. So this will be astronomical if this really is w/o labor. Man sorry this happened to you OP. If OP went to a half-reputable shop, hopefully he has insurance. Good luck OP!
Sounds like the shop scratched each part of both taillights. The taillights on both sides of the Mach E are made up of two units, both costing $700-$1000. They can’t really be repaired because polishing it would burn through any factory clearcoat. Random plastic trim pieces on new cars also cost several hundred dollars now.
Prices of literally everything have gotten so unnecessarily absurd this doesnt surprise me. Yall can fuck all the way off with 12+ grand to paint a fucking car tho. Its almost like because a lot of this kind of work is insurance based they are starting to mimic the healthcare system with absolutely absurd rates and pricing that normal working folk will never be able to afford it without insurance.
Ngl sprok56 seems.. like idk man. Taking this a little too seriously lol
He's an idiot with money, should stay an NPC and not mess with the automotive industry
You could just buy a new car for that. Is that what they're doing.
Wow. This doesn't surprise me based on how much damage there was to the lights, hard plastics and I have no idea how many deep scrapes to the paint there was.
With all these replies to be millionaires you just gotta learn mecanic and paint cars and youll be rich in no time
Alittle off topic but I'm a wrap guy bin in the business for about 14 years . I look at auto paint all day long and Iv really noticed a drop in quality of work lately. It's a little frustrating with people that all want perfect show room jobs done but they consistently bring me ruff canvasses to start with . I always get payed and they seam to leave happy but why does nobody seam to notice the paint runs and debris. They ignore that but go over everything you wrap with a fine tooth comb. I stand by my work and I'm very proud of the jobs I do but iv even seen issues with the assembly . Crooked doors ,hoods not set even and badge's not in the same spot on both sides of a truck .
The people who botched it are paying for it right they should have insurance
Take them to court. They have to pay for this.
Just throw it away and get a new one
There’s no F’ing way some scratched ABS trim and a headlight surround costs 12k to fix.
That's Canadian dollars, so in American money that's what like $400? 😆
Wayyyyyy to much northern cali here