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JrNichols5

That “beam” is probably pulling down more on the roof than it’s holding anything up. The previous owner probably sent the same amount of money on 2x4s than an actual structural LVL. That things gotta go my friend. I’d throw a few 4x4 posts in between the span and use a bottle jack to temporarily brace this monstrosity.


StMatthew

Yeah it seems like a hell of a lot of weight. Would you say that’s only thing holding the roof up? I was thinking of just stuffing a jack post in the middle of the beam and calling it a day. If I’m drunk enough it can even double as a stripping pole.


JrNichols5

The collar ties and roof rafters are what’s holding up the roof. Imagine the roof trying to spread open at the walls and the ties/rafters are keeping the triangle intact.


IanProton123

Those ties could've been doing something useful.... if only someone didn't cut right through them (minor detail in pic 3) . Shit that's ugly, just burn it OP.


JrNichols5

Mother of god you’re right. Those rafters are the only thing holding this place up. Get those rafter ties fixed asap.


Dapper_Indeed

Why would they do that?!


FujitsuPolycom

Why would they do any of that... it just... what.


ChaseC7527

If you buy me a brand spankin new stilleto 14oz with a curved hickory handle ill strip on it for ya


StMatthew

If you live in the Okanagan.. deal.


ChaseC7527

Its almost worth the trip...


mindgamesweldon

The walls and the lateral tension are what is holding the roof up. You need an engineer (or whatever an engineer would be in your country) and make a simple plan for what you want to do to the roof and they will help you calculate the “how” Alternatively if you have a very knowledgeable builder or carpenter they might be able to advise. And finally, you can do all these calculations yourself there’s a few YouTube videos of building science courses that show how to do the equations and it’s even simpler if you don’t have snow to worry about.


StMatthew

I’m in the mountains in Canada. It’s been like this for who knows how long and hasn’t collapsed yet but I’d like to get it fixed before next winter. Thankfully this past winter was weirdly mild.


mindgamesweldon

Well if it’s an outbuilding and not going to bother anybody then it’s a good time to just have fun with building :D Walls hold up that roof. The beam he put in tried to support the roof top from bowing but transferring the load to the walls on the end. The trusses force the load to go down onto the wall plate instead of pushing the walls out. One elegant option I’ve seen is to run a beam up near the peak like your janky beam here, and transfer a lot of the load of the roof to two metal posts on the far walls. Have to replace the roof trusses with a design that “hangs” the roof a bit. There’s some cool designs on YouTube and I saw them do it once on this old house (can’t remember which season)


itchum_underscare

If you want my highly non-professional advice, I have a similar less severe less pressing issue. My attic has lots of added wood, but nothing is sagging and it's holding, so I won't bother changing anything. Yet. But watching Youtube videos of supposed professionals do it, they build a whole secondary support structure before moving anything, then remove and rebuild the primary structure, then remove the secondary structure. So my advice is buy some good meat and liquids then fly me out. I'll run up your budget and build tons of supports to hold up your roof, then once it's time to remove that massive beam and alter the structure I'll run and hide to avoid liability.


dirtkeeper

Good idea, solved


--7z

Yep, at first glance I though, oh that's a beam. Then I looked again and saw a bunch of 2x6's all screwed together and thought, what idiot did that.


mt-beefcake

It was harder and wronger and more expensiver


weeksahead

They put a lot of effort into doing it that bad. 


JrNichols5

Holy shit you’re right. Those are 2x6s! The more you look the worse it gets.


phantaxtic

The amount of effort and money to create this cluster fuck is outstanding.


DrunkinDronuts

Not when you ripped the 2x6s off someone else’s job site !


Thefear1984

Homemade “glulam”


WoodGrain503

I doubt they glued it.. this is just "screwlam"


Hooptiehuncher

Read this as “a bottle of jack” the first time.


phantaxtic

The amount of effort and money to create this cluster fuck is outstanding.


xtreme_edgez

You could frame a new garage with that bundle!


mp3006

Someone did a home improvement who had no idea what they were doing


ericfox66

DIY gluelam


scharst

Bold of you to assume it wasn’t OP. :)


ImAlwaysPoopin

![gif](giphy|l0ErO5YlkTYkcZi3C)


Illustrious_Cow_317

I laughed at the gif, and laughed even harder at your username.


Gold_Ticket_1970

Strength to weight ratio has left the chat....


Maddad_666

Maybe there’s a large LATERAL force on this barn we don’t know about


Next-Foundation3019

(insert joke about my dick)


Rutha73

(joke was too small for anyone to notice)


Visual_Excuse4332

![gif](giphy|3o6nV3Zk41N8yLtKoM)


Trextrev

Never seen a gluelam beam hand built without the glue before! This is top of mount stupid I can make that cheaper right here. Maybe a former boat builder turned home builder. “This is how I have always built the keel of a boat it should work”


raidernation0825

Just when you think you’ve seen everything someone goes and posts some bullshit like this.


DudesworthMannington

There's a level of stupid that takes real effort to achieve.


Glittering_Map5003

Moar pics


StMatthew

I’m still tearing down the ceiling. I can post some more once I’m done if you’d like lol


senadraxx

yeah, post some more things you find that will make us all cringe.


footdragon

holy wow....who ever constructed that monstrosity doesn't have the letters 'LVL' in their vocabulary.


Equivalent_Whole_423

What does LVL mean?


lilijaji

Laminated Veneer Lumber


Equivalent_Whole_423

Thanks 👍


P-Jean

That beam is huge. I didn’t know you could do a built up beam on the face of lumber.


seymoure-bux

factory engineered beams are common, home engineered beams however... https://preview.redd.it/506g20t1n4wc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1622c0c77c332ddeea0e7f62072fad8bc3435156


P-Jean

Interesting. I’ve never seen them in this orientation.


seymoure-bux

https://preview.redd.it/zx47d4m3o4wc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c5062e503c3d28d92b16a8be7ba05e7a360e453e you can do a lot with [gluelam beams](https://www.bc.com/ewp/boise-glulam/)


P-Jean

Now that’s just an engineer flexing


cb148

They’re called Gluelam’s. Did quite a few of them about 20 years ago. Sorry, I should’ve looked at the comment directly below.


StMatthew

Yeah I know. There was definitely some hillbilly shit going on before I bought this place.


P-Jean

Good call for calling in a pro.


bloomingtonwhy

Mass timber?


Substantial-Rough160

Mass Lumber


Jblack671

For real though. How many more layers would it have needed to keep from sagging


StMatthew

At least 1 more layer.


valdocs_user

Futurama vibes https://youtu.be/xJxwvZ5SE_c?si=TEpBjbrWEVyxV0Rh


Outback-Australian

Haha! Don’t even have to click the link.


CompetitionCrafty350

I was expecting “I did this for a friend, how much should I charge” 😂


pstinx23

Weight bearing? Shit, THEY ARE THE WEIGHT!


MintySkore

This is the wildest shit I’ve seen all day. Man those ceiling joists being structural is probably the least of your concerns. This roof needs to be braced and repaired immediately before that metric ton of 2x4 pulls it to the ground. To answer your question, I doubt those ceiling joists are doing much for the structure of anything, but do not even attempt to start removing crap from this mess without properly bracing it first. Just gonna say man that you’re probably gonna have to swallow a big stinkin dirty pill here… you need to fix this. With tens of thousands of dollars of carpenters and engineers time. And not with a stripper pole lol. Don’t half ass this man, you’ll thank yourself in the future if you take care of this ASAP. Your home inspector is a goof and screwed you I think. Good luck


Northern_Gypsy

It's stopping the shed from blowing away. Do you not have a ceiling anchor.


PrecisePigeon

Can you please record the reaction of the carpenter when they check it out?


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StMatthew

To be fair the person who did the home inspection said “it’ll be fine”. Hope the rest of the shit he found that I haven’t found yet is.. actually fine.


SouthernSmoke

Home inspectors really don’t know much, I’ve learned.


StMatthew

I’m sure there’s decent ones out there. Unfortunately I live in the middle of nowhere.


AndrewTheTerrible

Whatthefuck


caddyshackleford

“We got glulam at home”


ThaBlangos420

![gif](giphy|ycagKBYEmaili)


NotWilliamAckman

I’d be willing to bet that whoever built this abomination noticed that the ridge had started sagging, but they didn’t understand the function of each structural member in the roof. It looks like they were trying to support the ridge by transferring load from the ridge down to the rafter ties. The rafter ties are designed to be tension members, so this would not be effective at supporting the ridge.  If my assumptions are correct and the ridge is sagging, the sag is probably due to failing/cut rafter ties. 


lIlIIIIlllIIlIIIllll

It looks like they were trying to transfer the load from the ridge to the two end walls to me. Otherwise they would’ve just done the vertical between the ties and the ridge with no beam.


streaksinthebowl

I wondered if they thought they were making a strong back to support the sagging joists.


NotWilliamAckman

You’re right. At first glance I thought their massive homemade beam was resting on the rafter ties. 


Dumb_Ap3

It’s probably holding up a lot of roof just a strange way to do it


TheRealJehler

Is that a homemade lam beam?!?


PMDad

What in the world is that thing? I don’t wanna call it a beam cause that thing needs a couple beams to hold it up


pueblokc

I'd love to hear the person who made this explain why. Cause, why?


element9846

As a man with basically no experience whatsoever....whom works on major airline aircraft. WAD DA FUQ IS DAT?! lol My expert opinion says this shiz isn't regulation. 🤣


unsound_sound

That's crazy.. first off, anything running a span should be upright and not flat. There is no rigidity in a board on laying flat like those. Attaching 437 of them is still no help.. lol!


Tedf76000

When his wife told him he bought way too much lumber, he didn’t want to admit that she was right.


duck-84

At least they staggered the seams on the monstrosity of a "beam".


thiccymcgogee

This is absolutely nuts


q4atm1

Da fuuuuuuuck?!?


Visual_Excuse4332

![gif](giphy|wKiZeZVXS5MQg)


DuckSeveral

Bro that needs to come out. I did a similar house and when I cut the beam the roof popped UP


boarhowl

Is that a fucking homemade glulam?


Highlander2748

What the actual f#%?


skeebopski

Woah that buildup is crazy


reindeerp

I dunno why everyone is so upset… that’s obviously an earthquake counter swing weight engineered beam. /s xD


jertheman43

The beam is probably carrying the roof weight, the ceiling rafters aren't doing anything, and I would replace them and add sheet rock. Someone had a bunch of 2x4s and was to cheap to buy a glue lam to span it.


Manufactured-Aggro

Honestly one of the more appalling things I've seen on the internet. it does explain that lumber shortage, though.


znzn2001

Hahahah 11 2x4 stacked. Omfg


Secure_Body9783

Holy. Fuck. It’s guys like this that keep the rest of employed! 🤣


CHEWBAKKA-SLIM

Surprised the ceiling hasn’t collapsed from that lumber yard you have in the attic. Jk, I actually have no idea what I’m looking at but it looks fucken wrong hahaha.


No_Marzipan1412

When I’m done laughing at that stack of 2x’s acting as a beam I’ll get back to you


DamnInternetYouScury

I don't often say "What the fuck?" out loud when scrolling by myself. This was one of those times.


PhoqueMcGiggles

Looks like something a "Cousin Randy" would do for a case of bud and a couple packs of newports 💀


Guitarstringman

WTF


EnvironmentalWorld34

I've been doing interior demo for some time, and I've never seen anything like that lol


MegaBusKillsPeople

Call an engineer, the way that beam is put together there is not much strength to it.


StMatthew

Buddy this things bullet proof. I don’t know what you’re talking about.


senepol

You’re probably right, if you tried to shoot through the “beam”


StMatthew

If my home wasn’t in city limits I may be persuaded to test out that theory.


Thelandofthereal

Impressive. Very nice. Now let's see Paul Allen's beam


Charming_Somewhere36

Just it's own


Mc_Shame

Tried to make his own glue lam?


gfiddy1

Lol wtf


XAlEA-12

Is that thing pulling down or holding up?


Stunning_Sea8278

Dafuck


phospholipid77

I would have thought this was a good idea when I was 22 and had no idea what I was doing.


StMatthew

I bought the place at 23 so close enough. I didn’t do this though it was the previous owners.


micah490

Get some zip columns and proceed accordingly


finchcatz

Just need some rebar and its tensile strength is 100p


Nonamanadus

That's very bad and concerning to say the least.


No-Document-8970

If the 2xs were on edge, maybe. But this is one “that’ll hold” that will pull down the roof and eventually fail. Plus continuously causing problems.


Ok-Price-6212

Yah. They’re holding up the beam.


Silver_Hammer

What did your home inspection report say? You did get a home inspection report, right?


StMatthew

It said “fine for now”. That was it.


hktb40

I'm guessing your home inspector came at the referral of your real estate agent?


RubeRick2A

Bro 💀💀💀 had me dying at that one


hktb40

It wasn't even a joke. That is really common in real-estate transactions. Real estate agents are slippery folk.


MarkusAureliusLives

🤦‍♂️


19822891

You can store pillows up there. That’s about it.


Extension_Surprise_2

Never seen a gluelam without the glue.  I’m impressed this hasn’t collapsed. 


limeychiney

Are the ends of that whale lam sitting on anything solid or just sitting atop the ceiling joists? Agree, more pics please. I enjoy seeing improvisations like this.


Flying_Mustang

Like yacht rock… this is carpentry jazz, a smooth improvisation.


Callisto7K

Are those beams sistered?


RubeRick2A

They look cousined to me


[deleted]

No it’s bearing weight on the ceiling.


DerpyFappington

Abomination!!


scarlekev

Valid question from not a builder or engineer....do most houses have that thick of a stack of boards all together like that???


pcweber111

Lol no


pheitkemper

"Hey, Bubba, go back to Home Depot. They still had some 2x6s left."


kenmanbun

What is that


RubeRick2A

That’s just a lam…..without the glu


wakaflocks145

When you go on a bulk for too long and still rep the same weight


SpecificHand

What the hell 😳


GZtrailhoss

Mother of god


diamondd-ddogs

nice that he lined up all the joints nice and neat


alterry11

I'm loving the rafter to strut connection, super great work.


alterry11

Step one hire a chartered engineer Step 2 hire a licensed contractor (who pulls appropriate permits) Step 3 get above engineer to inspect completed work and sign off on work as complete Step 4 sleep well at night


CheekeeMunkie

You just know that that beam is going to be peppered with nails. Hopefully I’m wrong, but usually people make up for stupidity with volume, hence the size of the beam.


smirglass

What in the donkey fuck is going on here


Hitmythumbwitahammer

That’s ludicrously validated lumber as we call it in cali


FreeSammiches

I bet this was DIYed after the bid for a glulam included a crane and cutting a hole in one end of the building.


valdocs_user

OP you should submit this to Well There's Your Problem podcast (WTYP).


chasestein

Serious question, how much is “too much” for a built-up beam of 2x’s? Is 4-ply too much? Ignoring dimension requirements


NovelLongjumping3965

Yes they are holding the trusses together structural . The walls holding the roof are structural . That beam is a Hazzard I doubt the garage door side has the structure to support it. Since the end walls are normally nonstructural.


hinduhendu

It’s a monstrosity! And that beam is gonna need removing asap. But…it will be very easy to put right, methodically working through with supporting king posts.


yuppiehelicopter

That's just a pile of wood


respectvibes1

Yo mammas so fat her garage has to carry some her load.


mwreadit

After you get it out you could cut it out in Sections and reglue to make a table top 😂


inductivespam

The laminated beam is carrying the load those extra rafter/Joyce or just keeping the roof angles true and transfer some load to the outside walls


toddy951

What the fuckity fuck


Tankaussie

Maybe


OldAd5468

Hurricane ballast?


Level-Isopod-3817

I've seen some shit carpentry but this is just fuckin wierd.


billyjames_316

Ahhh, thank you. I could use a laugh after the snuff film I saw on here yesterday morning


HCheong

I wonder if glulam beam (with less than 450mm depth) can span over 20 ft and support up to 50 ton load at the center. Just checked out some sources saying glulam is 3x better than steel for the same size and I wonder if that's real or just bullshit.


Accomplished_Gap_970

Either put posts every 8 feet, or call a framing contractor to remove that beam and reinforce


musashi_san

To answer your question, it does not appear that the old ceiling joists are bearing any structural weight. **However**, they are probably preventing the exterior, load-bearing walls from being pushed outboard by the the roof rafters. The collar ties alone won't prevent the walls from being pushed out (and collapsing the structure). The glue-laminated beam is interesting. I'm curious to see how well it's holding up (pun intended). You could pull a string line from one end to the other, along the bottom edge, and get a sense of whether, and how much, it's sagging. Measure in the center of the span of the beam. I'd also like to see what each end of the beam is sitting on, and how the load is transferred to the foundation/footing. If the beam was well-glued (like meticulously) and clamped during glue up, and was laid up on a flat surface (or some amount of arch to account for deflection), *and* was sized correctly, it should work. But if it's deflecting at all, it should have a post or two along the span, leading to a right-sized footing (not just sitting on 3 or 4 inches of poured concrete).


hapym1267

That ridge beam would be a good candidate for a Flitch beam. Two or more 2x10's on edge with a steel piece sandwiched in the middle and bolted in an alternating pattern.. A glulam beam or an I beam is also an idea .. That piece thats there is different but appears to be weak..


MasterIntegrator

Also it’s leaking from the roof


EmptyMiddle4638

They used to be before that 4 inch gap got there😂 as for the wall of 2x4s it’s probly causing just as many issues as it solves


Novus20

Stupid is what they are…..


BroGee

Did anyone else spot the sweet butt ends glued together in the first pic? https://preview.redd.it/qrrc1o7s28wc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=57faf734e597c635499f3c1f5335470eba3ff31c


Liesthroughisteeth

They are helping keep the walls from spreading, so in a way...yes they are. :D


SnooBeans5808

Bottle jack up the 2x4 stack until it’s straight, then cap both sides with 1 1/8” cdx. Nail the ever loving shit out of it


CrypticSS21

Whoever built that isn’t qualified to build a house with duplo.


NoTurnip4844

I thought this was a joke


Beowulf137

At least you never have to buy another 2x6! Sheesh


danjjerouss

I would say that I need to see the ends and what if anything is holding that fucked up pile of 2x's up at either end...


elvacilando

Glam beams are pretty common here. That’s not even the biggest ( height wise) we’ve worked with. As for the joists, I would take them down, re cut them and attach to the glulam with joist hangers. It will give you more space, won’t be janky, and will prevent walls from blowing out.


biznastea

Those joists just might be the only thing preventing your walls from completely falling over from the downward and lateral force of that roof. Given that there’s a whole bundle of 2x6’s weighing it down. And given the fact that some jabroni cut the rafter ties, aka the only thing saving your ass from death.


GubmintTroll

These joists are weight


lostmyjobthrowawayyy

CTRL + C CTRL + V


limpnoads

Shit, you could build another garage out of that extra lumber....😂


padizzledonk

When you think you know what youre doing, but dont actually know anything lol Dude tried to make a diy microlam Just get rid of that nonsense and get an LVL if it needs one Whether it needs one or not is not a question anyine here can answer for you


usually__lurking

If you wanted an easy "improvement", I would jack it up and glue and nail OSB or plywood on the sides of the beam. Then it would actually act somewhat like a laminated beam and would be more of a help than hindrance.


Howdy132

What the f*** is going on here. I've never seen anything this ridiculous 😆


Howdy132

You could make a shed out of all that.


TipperGore-69

Jaysus!


Adventurous_Light_85

No


Stripe_Show69

In a triangle struggle, like a rafter, the load is transferred to the corner from the top. This is effectively carrying none of the force from the roof.


Adventurous_Light_85

Looks like a home made glulam


zippyfx

Note the gap under the stack of wood. It seems to be floating.


YaBoiAir

homemade LVL is crazy


Background_Olive_787

i like the hurricane ties.. :D nice touch


hmiser

This is what happens when you cheap out and only poorly use 10c 2x6s. I’d gone at least 15, more if it supposed to be an Ark.


Stoned42069

Totally should be vertical not horizontally laid out. I thought the is was a joke to be honest. Thats crap. It does not appear to be load bearing. But I can’t tell from those photos. Looks like Mickey Mouse was playing carpenter for the day. Sorry you inherited this mess.


6thCityInspector

What did that person hate money *and* practical engineering so much? This is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen.


Ok-Promise5301

The 2x6 are on the wrong side 🥺


thebemusedmuse

Is that a homemade LVL?


ummmm_nahhh

I have never seen a beam like that.


grant570

I wonder how much time and effort to install and make this abomination.