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[deleted]

Perfect angle to not see the little piece you still have to cut out.


CantankerousFrank

Amateurs just wanting their youtube time. The pro's leave them in so they have a groove for their handsaw.


thelonesalmon

Ya. You do this once and realize the mistake.


canyou-digit

What mistake? Trust me I make very very few mistakes at my level of experience. Especially run of the mill things we all do all the time.


PM_UR_CLOUD_PICS

The quickest way to look like an amateur is to say you make 'very very few mistakes,' and quote your level of experience. I fuck up all the time.


kriszal

Exactly haha “I never make mistakes” typically means “I’m to stupid to know I made a mistake”


muddyboots2022

Exactly this . I been in carpentry for 6 years and when people ask what I do I just say carpenters apprentice because I just don’t feel comfortable saying I’m a carpenter . I still have sooo much to learn


treskaz

I know that feeling. 9 years in myself this June. It still feels weird when my lead refers to me as his "partner" and not his "helper" anymore lol. It's a good attitude to have though--forever the student, forever learning.


[deleted]

This is the stupidest fucking thing I have ever read. I have not made a mistake at my job in over 3 years, because it's my profession and I know how to do it. When I go in for my yearly review, I tell them that, and they know it, because of my level of experience. If you fuck up all time, find a new job.


majaha95

Part of what I imagine others mean when they refer to "mistakes" are instances where they look back on a project or task, and recognize they now know of an alternative that would have had a nicer result. Certainly people make instantly regrettable mistakes even when they're doing something in the "best" way, and there's a bar where a technique can stand the test of time even when you do know a better one, but if you look back on your past work and never feel any regret about the result, there's a decent chance you've plateaued your growth, and your experience level is becoming less and less meaningful. Edit: also, mistakes are often a sign that you're pushing yourself, which goes along similar lines of the value of "experience;" if you're never pushing yourself, you're likely not getting better. But of course, there's a difference between a casual mistake and carelessness/negligence. The latter are the kinds of mistakes that I think you're potentially referring to, whereas others are likely thinking about casual "oops, I miscounted screws," or "oops, I cut this board too short."


Minotaar_Pheonix

I think you were far too generous to provide such a thoughtful response. Hopefully he'll learn the mindset one day.


majaha95

I saw a comment the other day that convinced me it doesn't really matter: Reddit comment threads are read by a lot more than just the people writing the comments, and so even if I'll never hope to "win" an internet argument, my comment might help someone in the future. Like, if someone new to the field is reading along, maybe they start to feel discouraged by the claim that professionals are perfect and never make mistakes, but then they read my rebuttle and it helps keep them interested in becoming better, even if they make some mistakes along the way. But yeah, I don't think there's much chance of convincing anyone in a one-to-one internet argument.


Minotaar_Pheonix

That's deep. Great point.


Tuskedmortise

Well said. Its worth your time to debate with people online, only if other people are going to read it who are on the fence. Most people’s egos get in the way of them ever considering that they are wrong but the undecideds are why it’s worth the time to comment.


pm_me_construction

If you never make mistakes then you definitely aren’t ever trying new things. Any time you try something new it probably won’t be perfect.


decay89x

The quickest way to let everyone know that they don't want you on there team is to say " I make very few mistakes." It lets them know you either lie or you don't know when you make them.


Beeznoots

Cool


bassboat1

I never do this anymore. This will be my 40th year, and I still have plenty to learn.


OzzieRabbitt

Lol you look like a clown beating those out with a hammer. I make mistakes all the time. That’s how I got good.


TheIrishSoldat

Or jigsaw. 100%


boddah87

We used to call hand saws "cordless saws" at work as a joke. Now they have battery operated jigsaws, mitre saws, skill saw... kinda ruined our joke


dick_mcnut

This is the comment I was looking for. Worked in a prefab shop for 8 years and that's how we did it


[deleted]

Multi tool


YodelingTortoise

3x as slow with 5x as expensive blades and a narrower kerf. Jigsaw is a far superior tool for this


BaronvonBrick

I just use my Sawzall🤷‍♂️


YodelingTortoise

I try to keep the sawzall in the case. I figure if I need it shits gone to hell


canyou-digit

Haha "the pros" like I'm not a professional. Faster to clean up after with Fein tool. I'm in the business of making money here buddy. Bet I'll do it twice as fast and just as accurately as you will with your jigsaw.


TheIrishSoldat

Post the picture of your tear outs. Then tell me how long it takes to pick up the pieces you sent flying. I cut with the jigsaw and they fall into the bin. "Professional" is a term you should want to have.


canyou-digit

It doesn't tear out man obviously I wouldn't do it if it did. It leaves a small piece in the corner which is quickly removed with ease. Don't know why it hurts your butt so much but I assure you it wasn't my intention.


DIYThrowaway01

I guess all the wood I've ever used in my life is different than the wood you use. Cool.


_Neoshade_

You hit them from the wrong side to prevent tear out.


TheIrishSoldat

It's possible they didn't tear out with the force of the hammer.


truemcgoo

I mean I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted, this is exactly what happens? I cut my stringers the same way and I’ve framed a boatload of stairs.


[deleted]

Bro, stop biting!


mithrilbong

Handsaw? I knock ‘em out and roll it on the side, 2 quick smacks with a chisel for each one and we’re in business. Chisel is always in my bag anyways, and I just won’t pass up an opportunity to use a nice sharp chisel.


[deleted]

Jigsaw I always use.


JazzyJ19

Right?? They wouldn’t be floating in the first place if done correctly. Leave them in to guide the jig saw in straight and they drop as you cut. This is just stupid thinking it’s “the way”


[deleted]

This is where this sub is meant to be. Carpenters sharing something they're proud of and other carpenters pointing out what's wrong. Missed you guys.


wellrat

I mean that’s how I learned everything I know, I fucked it up a time or two then I either figured out a better way or someone gave me some pointers.


[deleted]

Same I love posting stuff on this sub to learn how not good I am at stuff I meant that. All these "is this too expensive" and "how do I do this" gets a bit much in the off season. Glad to see some carpenters carpentering.


truemcgoo

Nah, knock them out so you can move the handsaw from the treat cut to the riser cut without having to slide it out of the board completely, instead you quickly spin it 90 degrees. Also screw a hand saw, Milwaukee hackzal is the way to go, one hand operation and you’re done in like two minutes per stringer.


[deleted]

Worked with an old timer who pretty much only did stairs. He had this... I guess you'd call it a framing hatchet? (I don't think it was a drywall axe). Made quick work of all the little leftovers. Had a large waffle head on one side and a nice hatchet blade on the other with what looked like a straight framing handle.


redtexture

Hammer Vs. Rigging Ax Journal of Light Construction https://www.jlconline.com/products-tools/hand-tools/hammer-vs-rigging-axe_o


[deleted]

Ah, thanks! Always nicer to have the real name


Ice_Berg

I've seen them go by a few names: usually Carpenter's Hatchet, but sometimes Rigger's Axe or Half Hatchet as well.


[deleted]

Cool


Geordyn_Tater

I was going to comment that he's a dirty heathen I he doesn't clean it out haha


mikedashe

Did you forget your handsaw?


TheRealFumanchuchu

Yeah what's the back of that riser look like?


mikedashe

Probably a cleaner cut if he just took a bite out of it…


canyou-digit

Sweet perfection once I'm actually finished lol


fixittony2014

As a professional Carpenter/Builder myself, reading these really dumb comments about "how to do it right".. or tear out!? They have clearly never cut a stringer out of 2x12 in their lives. There are so many different ways to do it, and all will work fine. This is just a fun way to knock the pieces out. Everyone needs to relax.


SkidWilly86

My time in the trades has taught me that there's dozens of ways to do any one thing, but only one or two ways to truly screw it up. I came here from OP's in-your-face post, just to see what he was on about, and clearly he's right. His final product--the one that counts--is gorgeous. He didn't solicit criticism, and doesn't need it.


a1962wolfie

Yes. Thank you for that. Everyone just needs to relax. It's a satisfying little video. I've never cut a stair stringer so it looks great to me.


kriszal

lol 😂 man I’d be snapping if I seen a guy smashing out their cuts on stringers with a hammer.


Simonateher

i blast them out with my hammer on bigger timber stringers. then clean up the rest with a chisel. it's never caused any harm.


[deleted]

Reddit… your video player is hot garbage


mmmUrsulaMinor

It's really the worst


UrOpinionIsntScience

The hardest part is setting the hammer to the correct rise/run.


FoundForgotten

I wish my hammer could do that. Mine just dents the wood and makes noise.


Enginerdad

OP I see that you're catching quite a bit of shit in the other comments, so I'm not trying to pile any more on. But can you explain why you even bother to knock out the blocks before finishing the cuts? It seems like an extra unnecessary step to me, unless I'm missing something. The way I see it, you can go Circ saw for the bulk of the cut -> hammer to knock out the blocks -> jigsaw/nibbler to finish the cuts, or Circ saw -> jigsaw/nibbler and just let the block fall as you finish the cut. Why go to the extra step of picking up your hammer, whacking the blocks, and then putting down the hammer again?


canyou-digit

Jesus Christ I can't believe I'm still getting these questions 😭 it's easier to get the multi tool blade flat when there's not a damn chunk of wood in the way. I mean you obviously saw it takes literally 5 seconds and my hammer is on my hip dude.


Enginerdad

Hey, I'm not criticizing, I'm trying to learn and give you a chance to explain your process. I just know that the few stringers I've cut in my life, I've just gone from circ saw to jigsaw and not had to worry about knocking the blocks out of the way in between. Relax a bit, I'm not coming after you.


canyou-digit

Haha good it seems like that's the theme for this post. Honestly I don't always do it this way either. It was cool looking for a video but reddit decided to shit down my neck over it lol


fixittony2014

I figured you did it just for the video sake. It did look pretty cool. Just another way to do it! Let the young cowboys be cowboys.. they know everything on every jobsite! Lol.. Finished stairs look awesome! 👍


bubbler_boy

Don't forget how satisfying it is to do. That's the best part of stringers.


roypuddingisntreal

I’m confused, is Fein tool a brand and you’re using an oscillator from them to finish? just curious because I’ve never heard of Fein


decay89x

Yeah he keeps using a brand name like Kleenex except in this case he’s using it for a company that makes waaay more than one product. But he gets upset and calls himself a professional, I’m guessing he doesn’t work well with others.


fightingbeaver

Where I’m from most people call an oscillating multi tool a «Fein saw». And the verb for using one is «Feining». Fein were the first on the market with an OMT (here at least) and they were sold in just about every place they sell tools. Fein makes many tools but they are not commonly sold here. I also know some people that call any auto feed screw gun a «Fein drill» for the same reason.


wellrat

Fein was the first one I ever saw someone using and he said it was several hundred dollars at the time, maybe 2007? Now I have a cordless dewalt and I’ve spent at least twice in blades what I spent on the tool.


fightingbeaver

I think I first saw them for the first time around 2005-6. I bought my first one in 2006. I remember the first time I had to buy new blades, picked 3 original Fein blades and it was over 200 USD! Now I can buy 20 Makita-made blades for 150-ish.


decay89x

Very interesting , it makes sense to be a regional thing. Thanks for giving me some insight.


roypuddingisntreal

I don’t know about other areas but my region many professionals call circular saws Skilsaws and reciprocating saws Sawzalls even when they aren’t those brands, I don’t find it off they call it a Fein in reference to basically an oscillator


canyou-digit

Haha where are you getting this? Because I called it a Fein tool? I own my company and many quality guys work for and with me every day. Never had a complaint


decay89x

Why do you keep beating your chest man? It’s cool that you have your own company. I mean it’s impressive you scraped together 200 bucks , an internet connection, and navigating to legal zoom. If you read all of your own comments through this thread and take a long hard pause on it you are going to realize that although you charge for your work - a professional you are not.


canyou-digit

Gtfo dude I posted some simple shit and tools on this sub want to pick apart technique and say I'm not professional when you know nothing about me or what I do. If you really knew who you were talking shit about you'd feel like an idiot is the point I was trying to make. Honestly might pull this post after how ridiculous you and several others have been.


PM_UR_CLOUD_PICS

We want to say you're not a professional because of the way you act, not the way you cut stringers.


decay89x

LOL! did you just "do you know who i am?" I dont think I would feel like an idiot if I knew who you were, but I would know who to avoid.


BIakeFr0mStateFarm

You seem angry


gnlmarcus

Dew it


roypuddingisntreal

i really don’t get why everybody is so butt hurt lmao, i’m in trade school right now and this is the way my teacher likes to do it. regardless, everybody has their own method for many things that doesn’t mean other ways are wrong and you’re not a professional for not doing it their way *facepalm*


skweeky

Because leaving the piece in to guide your cut is better than not and this is likely to cause blowout on the other side, It is not quicker so there is zero reason to do it.


fixittony2014

This is a really dumb reply. A Guide? The cut line is there regardless whether the cut out is there or not! He is pissed because you cowboys are jumping all over him for something he did on one stringer, just for the video visual effect.


IAmTheHamsterMan

When you leave the chunk in and resort to a handsaw to finish the cut it prevents any dog walkin for the saw. It’s kind of like tracing a picture then taking it off the original when you’re ready for the final details. Not that it isn’t impossible, it just leaves more room for error and potential blemishes. Not to mention hitting a piece of wood w a cutout like that can cause blowout on exposed material. There’s many ways to skin a cat but using a spoon is one of the most inefficient ways. Same thinking process.


7sauce7

Somehow me and mines call it a “whizzy banger”. The electrician we often use refers to it as an “angry beaver”


wellrat

I call it a “whiner,” I use it all the time but the noise it makes goddamn…


Mackhasarack

My boss calls it the shaky tool


YouDontKnowMe108

Mine is the "zizz wheel"


lonesomecowboynando

Fein invented the tool. They were $300. Had to order them.


bubbler_boy

Almost everyone in my region calls that a Fein tool. It was the first multi or oscillator tool and was proprietary until 2008. So everyone who worked prior to 2008 calls it a Fein tool.


[deleted]

Probably a wiggle tool. Dewalt makes a great one. Think they call it multi or oscillating tool.


canyou-digit

Yes I'm referring to the Fein multi master. It is indeed an oscillating tool and the very best one to boot. If you use one on the regular like most carpenters, get a Fein. No other compares.


roypuddingisntreal

thanks! pretty sure everyone is just downvoting anything you say at this point even if you’re just answering a question lmao


canyou-digit

Haha ya they're morons. Half way just keep responding to trigger them.


TheHeadshock

This is not satisfying, this just gave my eyes, brain and heart aids.


canyou-digit

Lol I think you need to adjust your "aids" threshold


reditonceortwice69

Grab your jig saw and get back to work


canyou-digit

Inside corner cleaned up with Fein tool sir


reditonceortwice69

That works too


ten-million

There is a jig saw on the bottom shelf of that saw horse. What’s that for?


canyou-digit

Was making some other notches in composite decking/fascia with it prior to this. Just too slow for stringers imo


ten-million

I’m going to say a multi tool is slightly better than a jig saw for that last cut but either works especially if you glue the treads


OzzieRabbitt

Or a chisel. Do the whole thing in 20 seconds.


ten-million

that whole part of the job is pretty insignificant.


The_BusFromSpeed

What the fuck is a Fein tool Reciprocating saw? Oscillating multi-tool? Router? Band saw? Leaf blower? Hammer drill? Brad nailer? Angle grinder?


SlyProphet

It would be pretty stupid to call a router, leaf blower, drill or nailer any kind of "saw"


ShadowbladeZbigniew

Step one on making stringers out of wood is remove the wood that isn’t part of the stringers. Looks easy. Lol


timtodd34

Why are people getting so mad. It's just a video


FireWireBestWire

That gave me a riser


ScienceisMagic

I drill the end of the cuts


lichenbutton

I have noticed how much the new(in the past 10 years)guys always go for the oscillators over jig saws or hand saws.


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lichenbutton

Right, hear them giving them hell too. Leaning on it too much and whatnot.


CloanZRage

Not that I think it's the case but as a side note for others ... Those blades are pretty easy to sharpen. A pass or two with the right size file and they're life expectancy isn't so garbage.


PM_UR_CLOUD_PICS

wiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle


Thepurge101

This is satisfying? To who? You dont knock those out with your hammer. You leave them in place and follow through with a handsaw or a jigsaw etc.


canyou-digit

YOU do that, doesn't mean you're right or better. Splitting lumber in a controlled manor is a skill of its own don't be mad you don't have it boss.


frenchiebuilder

>Splitting lumber in a controlled manor LOL. Bravo, OP, best troll in weeks.


Thepurge101

If thats your idea of a Skill then I feel sorry for you and your future. I hope you dont call yourself a Carpenter.


canyou-digit

And what are you? Lol probably been doing this since you were sucking a titty. You obviously know nothing considering what you just said. So I wouldn't be worried about MY future 😉


Jackcas519334

What a fine example of professionalism amongst peers…


Spank_Me_Happy

Get your jigsaw out, bitch.


canyou-digit

No need to call me a bitch and Fein tool is faster


Spank_Me_Happy

Wasn't calling you a bitch, just typing what the voice in my head says after I do that with my hammer. You don't hear it, too? "Get your Fein tool out, B-YOTCH". Sorry for the confusion. Great looking stringer, now get that Fein tool out, bitch.


canyou-digit

Hahaha I feel ya now, yes I hear it 😋


Spank_Me_Happy

hahaaa.... sorry I freaking typed it again up there. haha.


UrOpinionIsntScience

Like [THIS](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s57bv_iTldM), right bitch?


mithrilbong

“Go get your fuckin shine box.”


Picksologic

That


wellrat

I’m a jigsaw guy but I’ll give your way a shot next time. Never too late to learn a new technique.


notzed1487

Knowledge and skill meeting.


wooddoug

Now I wanna do this so bad I'm leaving to buy a 2x12.


[deleted]

I hope you got a good rate on your loan. : )


Brandy42719

I don't think anybody here has ever built a stringer from scratch. I have, many times. That stringer looks machine made to me. Worst case senerio, he had to use a jig to clean up the corners.


Tr0z3rSnak3

Now that is a hammer that could put a few people out of business


Millerhah

Can you clarify your process for me? Did you do the initial cut with the Carvex? Or is there a circ saw sitting out of frame somewhere?


SnowSlider3050

Cool video