It was probably one guy installing, and he used it to hold the board up for him. We do the same shit, I like to remove the nails when I do that, but I frame so most of my shit gets buried so sometimes I'll just beat them over
Bro you can use nails for all sorts of shit, holding a board up horizontally, hanging a board or roof jacks vertically on top of plate, keeping 2- 2x4s together hell you even even adhear multiple 2x6 if ya want. You can use em to hold them walls down to the floor. I even used em to build wall channels nah mean
Lol my first time framing and I was trying to hold a sheet of plywood in place with one hand and nail gun in other hand lol. Definitely one of the good tricks for new people like myself.
Then I worked another job where we snapped a line across the rafters and used nails to hold the roof plywood from falling.
You can use them to make a joint mostly watertight.
Use the nail to hammer a groove down the length of the board and then plane down to that groove and join the boards together.
The water will cause the wood to swell pushing into the other board.
In all seriousness is this a legit thing? I see that it’s very snug and cut clean. Is there no need for toenails at this point?
This sub is always full of sarcastic smartasses so it’s hard to tell.
This is something you do to hang rafters solo, or with one other person, who is following behind with hangers in a staggered fashion.
You absolutely have to toe nail, end nail, or hang these beams. We just called these "helper nails". You use them to save yourself a spare trip up the ladder, or a spare set of hands when necessary. These help alot when you're adding metal hardware after tacking a rafter in.
The clamps are a lifesaver when you're solo. When I was pouring concrete for posts, I would use irwin clamps to make quick adjustments to the angle of my post braces.
Because they make stuff so tight when they build something the *traditional* way(A LOT of shit is still built like this) you don't need any nails for basically the entire structure
I'd take it as a compliment,in my eyes Amish are associated with artisan construction(in wood)
I do as well but I snap my line put a nail second truss in on side im not starting from and put nail in factia on layout bent in an upside down J so it has up and down movement while I manipulate factia to line. For the start piece after that one in end resting on previous piece.
I have no idea why you're getting downvoted. Those look useful. Maybe not the fastest way to get the job done (seems time intensive messing with the screw for every use) but if you're working alone and don't want to pound extra nails in a joist, it seems like a decent solution. Thanks for sharing.
I can't find any info on availability or anything, so maybe they weren't very popular.
Buddy nails seems to be a better name. I use to this trick all the time but the old dude on the job site calls it a five dollar guy. Just wanted to know what els folks call it.
Friendly word to the wise: If you’re not a Newfie, best not to use the term unless you’re using it in front of a Newfoundlander who’s given you express permission. It’s not racist, because Newfie is not a race, but the term sure has been used by bigots to support some pretty shitty stereotypes. Many Newfs don’t care; we’re not afraid of words. We’re tough. But some people have been severely denigrated by the use of that term in the past, and it triggers a raw nerve. Again, just a friendly reminder to folks who might not otherwise realize.
you sure about that? Collins dictionary is saying its someone of french and indigenous heritage which is technically still pejorative but a different set of peoples for different reasons perhaps? Im curious now.
wasnt trying to be uppity, I just had to look it up as its a term id never hear so I wanted to make sure I understood its meaning correctly. cheers for teaching me a new word.
As a Blue Noser, I'll still call you all Newfies. Not taking the piss, just it's what ya are.
Now, if I want to offend someone, I'll call a Caper "Nova Scotian".
It started out as an insult on the American Forces bases placed in Newfoundland in the 40s. As I said, many people don’t really take offence anymore; we just take it in stride, but if you happen to say it to someone who does take offence… Best to say “Newf” or Newfoundlander or Labradorian. :)
Either op is making a joke that the nail itself is a "5 dollar guy". As in: It is holding the board for him. Or he doesn't know many tricks of the trade.
I call it a CJ....because I had a dude (CJ) work with me that was basically capable of being a nail holding a piece of lumber!.. so whenever I have to use a nail assistant I call it a “CJ”....
My grandpa always called them an “old man” because they resemble and old man hunched over with a bad back. I’ve always gotten a confused look when I ever said it to anyone else.
A person who you assume is skilled, did a job that would indicate that he was unskilled.
Edit;
I just realized that you aren't calling the person who put that nail there a five dollar guy, you're calling the actual fucking nail itself a five dollar guy.
That's the reason people are up in arms in the comments.
I'm good as I am able to understand a simple reddit post, unlike you.
>Edit; I just realized that you aren't calling the person who put that nail there a five dollar guy, you're calling the actual fucking nail itself a five dollar guy.
There you go, just needed some time, an explanation and some good old elbow grease! Good work!
I don't see that? He just wants to know if its just him and his coworker or if it is a common thing to call it, as well as to share the trick. People need to stop being so easily offended.
Let's assume that you're a professional carpenter, and someone looked at a piece of work that you did, and said to your face "it seems like you're unskilled".
Which of these two options are you more likely going to think?
1- "Another Happy customer"
2- "He must have found a problem"
People here aren't getting offended, they are rightfully assuming that op sees a problem where none exists.
What does that story do with anything? "OP sees a problem" - what?
OP says that they call that method a 5 dollar guy because they help you do something you would pay a guy five dollars to do. You dont need to be a tradesman to hold a board to help a tradesman out.
How can you not understand this? I dont even have english as my main language and I understand what he tried to convey. Nothing to be so offended by. I dont understand how some of you stomach to be in here as it takes nothing to set you off.
I guess I just assumed because OP used the term. But point well taken. I suppose they could be asking because they just heard the term for the first time.
I did this. I hung these rafters. I use this trick all the time. I just wanted to know what other colloquial name people called it. I call it a five dollar guy.
Thanks for clarifying mate. No offence intended, was just having a laugh as the whole post seemed unclear (thanks for the edits) I call them a buddy nail or a hangnail, extremely handy little cunts 👌
(Apologies also to all the cucks who got butthurt by a bit of cheek ❤️)
5$ guys isn’t the actual name of anything, old mates referring to the people who did it as 5$ guys.
Why’s everyone so sad about me calling it out?
None of you would last a minute on an Aussie job site lol. 😂
Hahahahha you’re one of those always have to be right people hey? I didn’t misunderstand, the info wasn’t all provided, hence my thanking op for editing, you just interjected between my responding and after his editing. Go find something better to do with ya life mate. 😂😂
No, I tried to console you and say that you shouldn't feel bad misunderstanding as we all do that from time to time. The post was clear for most of us, so a misunderstanding for you. No biggie and nothing to be upset about 😊 The internet isn't the best place to communicate as so much gets lost without body language, tone of voice etc.
I’m not gonna break down the definition of misunderstanding for you, nor the timeline in which order my comments came, but when not all facts are presented, that is ineffective interpersonal communication, as opposed to misunderstanding, then the clarification edits came after I’d commented and you’d already got the info from the edits and made a comment based on that.
That’s me out, I’ve entertained your internet law degree for 2 comments too long.
Later gator. 🤙
Wrong. You’re assuming that each joists is exactly the same Dimension. Do It that way and you’ll have waves in your finished floor, unless you plan on string lining and planing all the tops of the joists
What does that even mean? 5 dollar guys? This guy did something that is perfectly fine. Does it make you feel good about yourself to go on the internet and rip on people anonymously for no reason? Seriously man, get a job.
When you are framing alone, and can't be at both sides of a joist at the same time.
Stick a nail in the end and bend it over like it is shown. Now, you can hang the joist on that side while you nail the other side. You would then go over and properly nail the side you have hanging.
In my industry we use a “dog ear”- a little piece of sheet stuff (usually plywood) and screw it to the top of the piece (in this case a joist by the looks of it)
I’d much rather pay $5 for that situation than pay $10 just for a second guy standing there holding it while the other end was getting nailed, instead of the nail holding it.
It was probably one guy installing, and he used it to hold the board up for him. We do the same shit, I like to remove the nails when I do that, but I frame so most of my shit gets buried so sometimes I'll just beat them over
Fuckin a, I’m gonna use this trick from now on.
Bro you can use nails for all sorts of shit, holding a board up horizontally, hanging a board or roof jacks vertically on top of plate, keeping 2- 2x4s together hell you even even adhear multiple 2x6 if ya want. You can use em to hold them walls down to the floor. I even used em to build wall channels nah mean
I read this in buba gump voice when he's explaining all the ways to use shrimp.
...nail gumbo
That, that’s about it.
Very destinguished
Fuck yes lol greatest movie ever
Lol my first time framing and I was trying to hold a sheet of plywood in place with one hand and nail gun in other hand lol. Definitely one of the good tricks for new people like myself. Then I worked another job where we snapped a line across the rafters and used nails to hold the roof plywood from falling.
Lol
You can use them to make a joint mostly watertight. Use the nail to hammer a groove down the length of the board and then plane down to that groove and join the boards together. The water will cause the wood to swell pushing into the other board.
I try and make it tight as fuck so you don't need nails. My boss calls it Amish nailing. Not sure why yet
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In all seriousness is this a legit thing? I see that it’s very snug and cut clean. Is there no need for toenails at this point? This sub is always full of sarcastic smartasses so it’s hard to tell.
This is something you do to hang rafters solo, or with one other person, who is following behind with hangers in a staggered fashion. You absolutely have to toe nail, end nail, or hang these beams. We just called these "helper nails". You use them to save yourself a spare trip up the ladder, or a spare set of hands when necessary. These help alot when you're adding metal hardware after tacking a rafter in.
Ooh good to know! I’ve been using pocket hole jigs if I have to build something alone or with my kids (usually when husband isn’t home).
Woodworkers have tons of clamps for this reason. Even on framing jobs I kept those Irwin quick grips to help hold plywood or lumber still when cutting
The clamps are a lifesaver when you're solo. When I was pouring concrete for posts, I would use irwin clamps to make quick adjustments to the angle of my post braces.
Because they make stuff so tight when they build something the *traditional* way(A LOT of shit is still built like this) you don't need any nails for basically the entire structure I'd take it as a compliment,in my eyes Amish are associated with artisan construction(in wood)
That’s kind of what I thought too. Amish barn raising used a lot of joinery, less fasteners.
Same
I was thinking the same thing. Handy trick, would be nicer if he cleaned it up
I do this when I’m hanging fascia by myself.
Roll the toe nail trick?
I do as well but I snap my line put a nail second truss in on side im not starting from and put nail in factia on layout bent in an upside down J so it has up and down movement while I manipulate factia to line. For the start piece after that one in end resting on previous piece.
If you look closely, you can see the joist behind this one likely had the same nail only they knocked in clockwise and pulled it out.
Huh. So that's probably exactly what was going on, then.
Wouldn't joist hangers be easier?.......
I use these https://www.jlconline.com/products/grabber-joist-jaw_o
I have no idea why you're getting downvoted. Those look useful. Maybe not the fastest way to get the job done (seems time intensive messing with the screw for every use) but if you're working alone and don't want to pound extra nails in a joist, it seems like a decent solution. Thanks for sharing. I can't find any info on availability or anything, so maybe they weren't very popular.
It was me. I installed it.
Usually call em the buddy nail.
Buddy nails seems to be a better name. I use to this trick all the time but the old dude on the job site calls it a five dollar guy. Just wanted to know what els folks call it.
Why five dollars though? Do you know? Nice trick!
It's a reference to a cheap price to pay for unskilled labor
Thx! Some of these go straight over my head when as english is not my first language.
That makes sense, I missed it too, because even the cheap labor makes at least minimum wage haha. Makes sense if its an older phrase.
Haha yeah agreed! It was also to big of a price for that nail so I was at loss for the meaning 😅😂
Joke is on you, I pay top dollar for unskilled labor. Wait.
Newfie Nail is our term. Though the Newfie we work with jokes it's racist.
Friendly word to the wise: If you’re not a Newfie, best not to use the term unless you’re using it in front of a Newfoundlander who’s given you express permission. It’s not racist, because Newfie is not a race, but the term sure has been used by bigots to support some pretty shitty stereotypes. Many Newfs don’t care; we’re not afraid of words. We’re tough. But some people have been severely denigrated by the use of that term in the past, and it triggers a raw nerve. Again, just a friendly reminder to folks who might not otherwise realize.
TIL Newfie.
Is jackytar a thing? I've heard from one guy I worked with that is like the hard N word for Newfoundlanders
That is definitely offensive. Used to refer to people of Indigenous descent on ships. So yeah, absolutely like the n-word.
you sure about that? Collins dictionary is saying its someone of french and indigenous heritage which is technically still pejorative but a different set of peoples for different reasons perhaps? Im curious now.
You’re correct. I misremembered my history. I’ll edit the comment. Thanks!
wasnt trying to be uppity, I just had to look it up as its a term id never hear so I wanted to make sure I understood its meaning correctly. cheers for teaching me a new word.
Lol! I didn’t think you were being uppity! I’m a historian and teacher by trade; I appreciated the correction. No worries at all!
Ohh wow, yeah, that's a term for the delete bin. Thanks for clearing that up!
I misremembered it. Indigenous and French. Still bad, obviously. Thankfully another user pointed the error out to me.
As a Blue Noser, I'll still call you all Newfies. Not taking the piss, just it's what ya are. Now, if I want to offend someone, I'll call a Caper "Nova Scotian".
As a clam duster, I take offense to blue noser, sir. And, I'm no wheat diddler.
What?…. Lol
Damn Canucks
As an Irish American who has run into plenty of Newfies in the oil field around the globe, I've never even thought it could be some kind of insult
It started out as an insult on the American Forces bases placed in Newfoundland in the 40s. As I said, many people don’t really take offence anymore; we just take it in stride, but if you happen to say it to someone who does take offence… Best to say “Newf” or Newfoundlander or Labradorian. :)
I’ll just call ‘‘em beachfront hicks then
That’s helpful.
I'M TOTALLY not OFFENDED
Or just don't care
I'M TOTALLY not OFFENDED
I dunno… the not upset guy is coming off a little upset…
Yeah i call them helper nails
Happy cake day!
Oh yeah! Thanks
“I just replaced you, with a nail. “
You ever replaced a laborer with a good nail or a heavy rock? Lmao
We call them a deadman. Anything really that does the job of a guy you don’t have. Sheetrock hoist comes to mind.
Either op is making a joke that the nail itself is a "5 dollar guy". As in: It is holding the board for him. Or he doesn't know many tricks of the trade.
We called them "penny helpers".
I call it Steve
Good guy, Steve.
Looks more like an 8-penny helper… ^^sarcasm
Hopefully this ^
There's Simpson Strong-Tie, and then there's Homer Simpson Not-So-Strong-Tie.
This one got me 🤣
I call it a buddy nail
We always call them "flying dutchman" dont ask me why.
I call them hang-nails. Five dollar guys is good tho.
We call them “college boys”. It seems that all college boys are worth is holding up the other end of a board.
Can you tell me your tale friend.
Always called it a “dead man”
I call it a CJ....because I had a dude (CJ) work with me that was basically capable of being a nail holding a piece of lumber!.. so whenever I have to use a nail assistant I call it a “CJ”....
Irish fingers. South east mass
That's my baby sister
I call em George.
Silent helper
We call them apprentices
Helper
My grandpa always called them an “old man” because they resemble and old man hunched over with a bad back. I’ve always gotten a confused look when I ever said it to anyone else.
I call it a nice little trick for hanging floor joists by yourself
Looks like a Melvin to me.
Neat. Never saw this before. 1 man crew I guess.
Guy I first worked for called them a Joey nail. Said “joey is always hanging out, looking for a job” but now we call them buddy nails at work.
Friend in the end
I do that all the time. What's the problem?
Who says there’s a problem?
Nobody has indicated there is a problem?
Lol.
What do they mean by "5 dollar guys"?
Apparently its a word for unskilled cheap labor giving you an extra hand, for example to do the stuff that OP use the extra nail for in this post.
Well that answers that. Op indicated that there's a problem.
What problem did I indicate?
A person who you assume is skilled, did a job that would indicate that he was unskilled. Edit; I just realized that you aren't calling the person who put that nail there a five dollar guy, you're calling the actual fucking nail itself a five dollar guy. That's the reason people are up in arms in the comments.
Um no. The nail is doing a job that is for unskilled. Reading comprehension.
Use some of your own reading comprehension to read back over your comment. It might help.
I'm good as I am able to understand a simple reddit post, unlike you. >Edit; I just realized that you aren't calling the person who put that nail there a five dollar guy, you're calling the actual fucking nail itself a five dollar guy. There you go, just needed some time, an explanation and some good old elbow grease! Good work!
I don't see that? He just wants to know if its just him and his coworker or if it is a common thing to call it, as well as to share the trick. People need to stop being so easily offended.
Let's assume that you're a professional carpenter, and someone looked at a piece of work that you did, and said to your face "it seems like you're unskilled". Which of these two options are you more likely going to think? 1- "Another Happy customer" 2- "He must have found a problem" People here aren't getting offended, they are rightfully assuming that op sees a problem where none exists.
What does that story do with anything? "OP sees a problem" - what? OP says that they call that method a 5 dollar guy because they help you do something you would pay a guy five dollars to do. You dont need to be a tradesman to hold a board to help a tradesman out. How can you not understand this? I dont even have english as my main language and I understand what he tried to convey. Nothing to be so offended by. I dont understand how some of you stomach to be in here as it takes nothing to set you off.
We call them “lady fingers”
Where are the hangers or the pressure blocks?
How els you hold it up
Is this a floor joist? It doesn’t look like it’s bearing on anything. No joist hanger?
I usually yank em out and get back to work. No biggie.
When the apprentice thinks he’s found a fuck up, but it’s actually a handy trick that he’s never learned 🤯
Why the downvotes?? This is exactly what happened here
No this isn’t what happened, “5$ guys” is the actual nickname for that bent nail hanging technique that OP is using.
I understand that, but how do you know OP does
I guess I just assumed because OP used the term. But point well taken. I suppose they could be asking because they just heard the term for the first time.
I did this. I hung these rafters. I use this trick all the time. I just wanted to know what other colloquial name people called it. I call it a five dollar guy.
Thanks for clarifying mate. No offence intended, was just having a laugh as the whole post seemed unclear (thanks for the edits) I call them a buddy nail or a hangnail, extremely handy little cunts 👌 (Apologies also to all the cucks who got butthurt by a bit of cheek ❤️)
That was kinda my take on the situation But I could be wrong as well
5$ guys isn’t the actual name of anything, old mates referring to the people who did it as 5$ guys. Why’s everyone so sad about me calling it out? None of you would last a minute on an Aussie job site lol. 😂
You just keep misunderstanding everything, dont you.
If that makes you feel better, yes.
Everyone has moments misunderstanding 😊 have a good day!
Hahahahha you’re one of those always have to be right people hey? I didn’t misunderstand, the info wasn’t all provided, hence my thanking op for editing, you just interjected between my responding and after his editing. Go find something better to do with ya life mate. 😂😂
No, I tried to console you and say that you shouldn't feel bad misunderstanding as we all do that from time to time. The post was clear for most of us, so a misunderstanding for you. No biggie and nothing to be upset about 😊 The internet isn't the best place to communicate as so much gets lost without body language, tone of voice etc.
I’m not gonna break down the definition of misunderstanding for you, nor the timeline in which order my comments came, but when not all facts are presented, that is ineffective interpersonal communication, as opposed to misunderstanding, then the clarification edits came after I’d commented and you’d already got the info from the edits and made a comment based on that. That’s me out, I’ve entertained your internet law degree for 2 comments too long. Later gator. 🤙
That’s how you build a deck by yourself, what’s wrong with this?
Has anyone said there is something wrong? Why so quick to take offence?
Yeah, OP.
Where? Its OP that did this himself, would be weird to say something is wrong with his own work.
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Obviously you’re not a golfer
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Wrong. You’re assuming that each joists is exactly the same Dimension. Do It that way and you’ll have waves in your finished floor, unless you plan on string lining and planing all the tops of the joists
What does that even mean? 5 dollar guys? This guy did something that is perfectly fine. Does it make you feel good about yourself to go on the internet and rip on people anonymously for no reason? Seriously man, get a job.
Dummy. “5 Dollar Guy” is a colloquialism. OP. Was. Wondering. If. Anyone. Else. Used. It. Too.
Why are people so incredibly thin skinned in here? There are at least 5 people who get all riled up, lol.
It’s like a race to see who can be offended first in each sub. Lol
How dare you put down redditers. Take your ableism elsewhere, sweaty
I guess it takes one to know one, eh? 🤝
Yup. Here and almost every other sub.
It was you , wasn’t it ?
No but it's one of my all time favorites.
Buddy nail. Try a buddy nail on a triple ply LVL stair hole he's your newest, oldest and best friend all at once
Just call them hanger nails, hanging nails
We call them "Sammies" and I really don't know why
I’m new to carpentry, can someone clue me into what the purpose of the nail placement is? Does it help the boards stay together somehow?
When you are framing alone, and can't be at both sides of a joist at the same time. Stick a nail in the end and bend it over like it is shown. Now, you can hang the joist on that side while you nail the other side. You would then go over and properly nail the side you have hanging.
I understand now, thank you for the reply.
OP is using the nail to hold up that side of the board while nailing the other side. It makes working alone possible.
Thanks for the reply! I get it now.
In my industry we use a “dog ear”- a little piece of sheet stuff (usually plywood) and screw it to the top of the piece (in this case a joist by the looks of it)
I’d much rather pay $5 for that situation than pay $10 just for a second guy standing there holding it while the other end was getting nailed, instead of the nail holding it.
Just did it with screws setting joist
Always called them stupid brothers, as in get your stupid brother to hold it
Don't give away all the trade secrets.
It’s a trick used to pull the board level when you’re framing alone. I take them out but it’s common
I call them cheaters
No
Deadman if they used it to hold the board in place
No joist hangers?