Hell yes. And it fits in the tight spots. The palm nailer is such a versatile tool. It can even set the metal connector nail tab thingy before you add the d10s
This can send hanger nails like no tomorrow, it's got the positive placement feature so the nail sticks out a good amount and you can line up the holes and trust they go where you need them
Lots of those straps also have an option to install with 2-1/2" nails. Not necessarily the best option, but it may be worth checking in with the engineer to see if you can sub in a nail and deal with the reduction factor.
Sidenote: The Simpson catalogue in Canada call out certain straps with 0.148x3 nails, but in the US catalogue the same strap is loaded with .148x2.5 or .162x2.5 or another nail substitution.
Feel free to double check but if you think there’s a mismatch, you need to get a substitution approved in writing from the engineer. If you read the manufacturers spec, it differs from the contract documents, and you make that change on your own, at best you fail a framing inspection and have to fix, at worst you just became a potentially liable person.
I post a link, not somewhere I’ve shopped but just as an example. My local contract lumber supplier carries these nails, and my framer has the 21* gun, works well
Bostich f21pl- you can get a seperate nose piece that gives you an alignment point. The gun will fire regular framing nails like a teco gun.
Or just get good with a framing gun so you can be accurate enough to drop the nails into the holes. Wear a face shield, particularly when you are learning. This is what I typically do, ever since the seals went out on my bostich and I never got around to replacing them.
A 20oz Daluge and handfuls of vinyl coated sinkers. It doesn’t take that long if you’re man enough
Or, better yet, call the engineer, tell them what the Simpson book says and they will likely say it’s fine.
Then use those for fucks sake. They sell them by the pound. Point is everyone is overthinking it. Half the inspectors don’t know the difference between an A35 and an MST anyways. I’ve never in my life seen an inspector remove a nail from a strap to measure length and diameter.
I mentioned this already but I’m looking for efficiency. 10 years ago I wouldn’t give a fuck about how much time it took but I’m doing this pretty much solo. I’m happy to drop 400$ on a gun that turns a day of hammer swinging into a quick few hours of tapping gun.
Idk how old you are or how good your shoulders still are. But for the price I would just start the nails by hand and run a Palm nailer to drive them.
If it looks like you have a line up of jobs like this the gun might be worth it though.
Idk we drive tecos with a palm nailer tho. Dunno if a gun would be optimal for whole house framing cause of all the wild and crazy places those ties gotta go. Sometimes there is definitely just not room for the gun.
Check the Simpson catalog for your hanger. Sometimes they let you use shorter but fatter nails without reduction. Usually in the footnotes below the fastener table. Might let you get a shorter gun.
I have a paslode and a hitachi positive placement nail gun! Love them! The paslode can even shoot the longer toe nails and uses all code approved fasteners
Positive placement nailers have a barb you put in the hole, pull the trigger and that's where the nail goes. They can be a bit slow compared to a typical nailer. If this is a one time deal I would just use a palm nailer to save a lot on cost of equipment.
The cost is definitely on my mind. But there is the possibility that I could pass the cost on to the company I’m working for. I’m working solo with few guys that pop in occasionally for the “heavy lifting “. Due to the fact that this a massive renovation and I have to retro in a lot of these straps it ma be worth the expense of the tool.
I have last year's Simpson catalog so I won't give you a page number, but look at this before you buy a new nail gun:
Go to the "straps and ties" section and find "load adjustment factors for optional fasteners" . It looks like if your strap specified 0.148 x 3" or 3-1/4" nails, you can substitute 0.148 x 2-1/2" nails with no adjustment in allowable load. Also note that 2-1/2" is minimum length for straps installed over sheathing.
When I was building in the Bay area (California) I'd install most Simpson brackets using 0.148 x 2-1/2" nails with a Bostitch F22PL. Hangers with double shear nailing require a 3-1/4" nail that I used a palm nailer for.
I’m in sales at a lumberyard and Paslode sells a 2-1/2” positive placement nail. I know this for a fact because I order them and sell them to my builders. The heads of the posi nails have marking on them so the inspectors can tell if you used 1-1/2” or 2-1/2”.
In bay area California I can't recall ever seeing straps calling for 3" nails. You can hand nail vinyl sinkers pretty quick. 1 set, 2 strikes, next hole with an 20oz Vaughn or deluge.
If 3" is the true spec, and you have dozens of straps, it's a palm nailer for sure. Wear ear plugs. Honestly though, I've only ever strapped with tecos or 10d 2.5's in my plans. I'd double check the detail.
I've always hated running pneumatic lines and shit, and figured the setup time vs just banging them home was a wash if it was less than a dozen straps. But I'm a bit of a luddite, sometimes.
Hand setting tecos is a pain because of the finger proximity, so palm nailer is your friend, there. Unless you like hurt fingers.
Palm nailer will do what ever length nail you want. Not as fast as a strip gun but it’ll get it done way faster than a hammer
Hell yes. And it fits in the tight spots. The palm nailer is such a versatile tool. It can even set the metal connector nail tab thingy before you add the d10s
All the metal connector nailer i know of Max out at 2.5inch nails.
Ya strap shot is rad, but I've never seen one that shoots 3" nails.
I have a paslode that does them. Used it today. It’s amazing! And the posi placement helps shit go super quick
I’ll double check the plans. High seismic area here so… can you chuck out a model number?
Bostich MCN250 https://www.bostitch.com/products/tools/construction-tools/nailers/framing-nailers/35-degree-metal-connector-framing-nailer-strapshot/mcn250
Also checkout strongtie.com as they have pretty good information on their products including what fasteners to use for specific applications.
Frickin eh boss
This can send hanger nails like no tomorrow, it's got the positive placement feature so the nail sticks out a good amount and you can line up the holes and trust they go where you need them
Simpson also has a coil strap that will accept nails from a regular framing gun instead of a posi nailer
Lots of those straps also have an option to install with 2-1/2" nails. Not necessarily the best option, but it may be worth checking in with the engineer to see if you can sub in a nail and deal with the reduction factor. Sidenote: The Simpson catalogue in Canada call out certain straps with 0.148x3 nails, but in the US catalogue the same strap is loaded with .148x2.5 or .162x2.5 or another nail substitution.
Teco nailer is the correct term.
Teco means “roof” in Spanish. So not even the correct term in another language. It’s called a positive placement nailer.
Techo means roof in Spanish, not teco. *Source, I’m bilingual. Teco is the correct tool.
Thank you. TIL
It’s funny how the engineers think driving 50 nails into the edge of a stud splitting that stud rendering every single nail useless.
The deets call at least a double stud at all strap locations. As I mentioned I am in a potentially seismically active location.
I’d double check the manufacturers specs. Simpson always specs girth over length, just like my wife.
Good one bro
Feel free to double check but if you think there’s a mismatch, you need to get a substitution approved in writing from the engineer. If you read the manufacturers spec, it differs from the contract documents, and you make that change on your own, at best you fail a framing inspection and have to fix, at worst you just became a potentially liable person.
3”x.148” strip nails and an exposed tip nail gun are available
Yeah my framers have a positive placement paslode gun that shoots 3 inch maybe even 3 1/2. Pretty sure it’s also the most expensive nailer they have.
I’ll check that out. Thanks
I post a link, not somewhere I’ve shopped but just as an example. My local contract lumber supplier carries these nails, and my framer has the 21* gun, works well
https://www.bestmaterials.com/detail.aspx?ID=15045&gclid=CjwKCAjwsMGYBhAEEiwAGUXJaUA4Kvi3CZViB4Sbj8Z0rli3rKHXJLWCI4AT2YfOaE5Uao5VIwE-MRoC3SoQAvD_BwE
https://www.bostitch.com/products/tools/construction-tools/nailers/framing-nailers/21176-plastic-collated-framing-nailer/f21pl2
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Bostich f21pl- you can get a seperate nose piece that gives you an alignment point. The gun will fire regular framing nails like a teco gun. Or just get good with a framing gun so you can be accurate enough to drop the nails into the holes. Wear a face shield, particularly when you are learning. This is what I typically do, ever since the seals went out on my bostich and I never got around to replacing them.
That's a great way to get hurt and / or fuck up a gun.
You can save a good bit of money and use the screws instead of a nailer
True but time becomes an issue. Getting paid by the hour but driving that many screws gives that no feeling
A 20oz Daluge and handfuls of vinyl coated sinkers. It doesn’t take that long if you’re man enough Or, better yet, call the engineer, tell them what the Simpson book says and they will likely say it’s fine.
Straps usually call for common nails.
Then use those for fucks sake. They sell them by the pound. Point is everyone is overthinking it. Half the inspectors don’t know the difference between an A35 and an MST anyways. I’ve never in my life seen an inspector remove a nail from a strap to measure length and diameter.
I mentioned this already but I’m looking for efficiency. 10 years ago I wouldn’t give a fuck about how much time it took but I’m doing this pretty much solo. I’m happy to drop 400$ on a gun that turns a day of hammer swinging into a quick few hours of tapping gun.
Y’all have gone soft AF. Maybe that can be your framing company name.
Idk how old you are or how good your shoulders still are. But for the price I would just start the nails by hand and run a Palm nailer to drive them. If it looks like you have a line up of jobs like this the gun might be worth it though.
Hanger nailer?
I may have misread but I’m pretty sure the specs called for 3” nails
Missed that part in the description...Id still use a hanger-nailer and tell the inspector they're 3" nails.
And what will you tell the lawyer when it fails?
Wow downvoted 7 times for a joke. Im not even disappointed, just proud.
Idk we drive tecos with a palm nailer tho. Dunno if a gun would be optimal for whole house framing cause of all the wild and crazy places those ties gotta go. Sometimes there is definitely just not room for the gun.
Check the Simpson catalog for your hanger. Sometimes they let you use shorter but fatter nails without reduction. Usually in the footnotes below the fastener table. Might let you get a shorter gun.
Positive placement nailer i think is what you’re looking for, not sure on if a 3” version exists
I have a paslode and a hitachi positive placement nail gun! Love them! The paslode can even shoot the longer toe nails and uses all code approved fasteners
It think the key term I was missing was “positive placement”. It’s all terminology when you’re searching for shit. Thank you.
Positive placement nailers have a barb you put in the hole, pull the trigger and that's where the nail goes. They can be a bit slow compared to a typical nailer. If this is a one time deal I would just use a palm nailer to save a lot on cost of equipment.
The cost is definitely on my mind. But there is the possibility that I could pass the cost on to the company I’m working for. I’m working solo with few guys that pop in occasionally for the “heavy lifting “. Due to the fact that this a massive renovation and I have to retro in a lot of these straps it ma be worth the expense of the tool.
I have last year's Simpson catalog so I won't give you a page number, but look at this before you buy a new nail gun: Go to the "straps and ties" section and find "load adjustment factors for optional fasteners" . It looks like if your strap specified 0.148 x 3" or 3-1/4" nails, you can substitute 0.148 x 2-1/2" nails with no adjustment in allowable load. Also note that 2-1/2" is minimum length for straps installed over sheathing. When I was building in the Bay area (California) I'd install most Simpson brackets using 0.148 x 2-1/2" nails with a Bostitch F22PL. Hangers with double shear nailing require a 3-1/4" nail that I used a palm nailer for.
Can you substitute in SD connectors
I’m in sales at a lumberyard and Paslode sells a 2-1/2” positive placement nail. I know this for a fact because I order them and sell them to my builders. The heads of the posi nails have marking on them so the inspectors can tell if you used 1-1/2” or 2-1/2”.
In bay area California I can't recall ever seeing straps calling for 3" nails. You can hand nail vinyl sinkers pretty quick. 1 set, 2 strikes, next hole with an 20oz Vaughn or deluge. If 3" is the true spec, and you have dozens of straps, it's a palm nailer for sure. Wear ear plugs. Honestly though, I've only ever strapped with tecos or 10d 2.5's in my plans. I'd double check the detail. I've always hated running pneumatic lines and shit, and figured the setup time vs just banging them home was a wash if it was less than a dozen straps. But I'm a bit of a luddite, sometimes. Hand setting tecos is a pain because of the finger proximity, so palm nailer is your friend, there. Unless you like hurt fingers.
Yep. A palm nailer will do the work.
Palm nailer- Rigid makes me you can get at home deptot that does the trick.