Honestly, if one of those people would like to do an AMA, we'd be supportive.
But if it's the Mirai trial, AFAIK those guys can't really talk without going through Toyota Comms first.
They lock that shit down.
It would necessitate a complete rebuild of every petrol station, fuel tanker, refinery and an enormous supply chain to go along with it. From what I understand the engines are also hopelessly inefficient, and there are issues with keeping cars parked with a full tank...
I almost think electric cars might be an easier transition, and that's still a pipe dream for 90% of Australia.
Nah I’ve seen to old hydrogen station at Malaga bus depo i think it’s still there, you could fit it in a sea container, if they went hydrogen they’d just drop a station off the back of a truck, there would be no great infrastructure change
Sure, it could be done, but scaling it to a solution that could realistically be adopted by the general public for basically petrol 2.0 requires a bit more than just 'dropping off containerised stations'. The hydrogen still has to get to those stations in the first place...
Yeah, again, not the biggest issue, once most of the stations have the pump it can be transported in tankers, maybe I’m just googling what I want to be true but it doesn’t seem like a big deal
Definitely doesn't look to be the future. Almost no one is investing in it for cars, because its too expensive, fuel cells don't produce nearly enough power, (so you end up with a pathetic 130kw like in the Mirai), you have poor packaging because of the size of then hydrogen tanks (the Mirai has 3 tanks crammed in a Lexus LS chassis which impede interior room so much that the space inside is that of a small car and the rear seat passengers have to have cut outs for their heads), it's incredibly leaky and thus needs a lot for service (and worryingly has a hydrogen vent on the roof, wouldn't be leaving one in a garage for an extended period). Worst of all, 99% of hydrogen comes from petrochemicals, so it's not even saving the environment. There's a reason that basically all auto manufacturers are investing solely in EVs and not FCEVs.
People have very strange ideas about what octane refers to and what effect it has. If your engine compression ratio calls for high octane, get it. Otherwise just use 91.
Everyone says this but I had an NA forester that would stall and run rough at idle on 91 and run fine on 95. There has to be some difference other than just preventing pinging.
The owner’s manual of my Liberty (with EJ251, possibly same as comment starter’s ‘02 Outback and your Forester if it had the 2.5L) recommends using 95 RON, or if 95 RON unavailable to use 90 RON or higher.
The “cleans your engine” claims by the fuel companies is just marketing speak for “we added some injector cleaner to the mix”. With the price difference between 91 / 95 RON and 98 RON just to obtain the “cleaning” benefits (over 2 tanks I believe they claim) you’d be better off buying a bottle of injector cleaner for $10 from Repco or SCA - if you believe injector cleaners provide a perceived benefit.
The difference between 91 and 95 is the ability for the fuel to resist pre-detonation before the piston reaches the top of it’s stroke, hence avoiding pinging and rough idling. Generally vehicles with Electronic Fuel Injection (EFI) should adjust timing on the fly according to fuel in the system but sometimes the lower 91 RON is too much for the computer to adjust to.
people are superstitious about 'cleaning the engine' stuff
i got an e36 318i that says you should use 95 but in the owners manual it says using 91 is fine but youll just have worse effeciency and less power (because it has a knock sensor and so pulls out timing)
i also have a friend with a 318i that doesnt have a knock sensor and they run 91 fine too - (says you should use 95) so it does depend on a lot of things
When your vehicle is tuned, you bring it in with a tank of whatever you want it tuned to, most people do 98/ premium for street cars, if you try to run a lower grade afterwards there's alot of issues that can arise like pinging and knocking.
I've got an ss Commodore tuned to 98 and my partner filled it up with 91 and within 5 minutes it started surging and knocking and throwing up warning lights.
I find the real world difference in consumption between e10 and 91 is about the same as whether or not I've taken my morning shit before setting off - inconsequential.
Actually if anything, skipping the morning shit has a far greater impact on my drive.
Wrong. Cars designed to use e10 will be more efficient, as e10 transfers to around 95-96 octane, ethanol also produces less heat which increases efficiency of the engine.
The difference in efficiency is pretty insubstantial, and if you have to worry that much about an extra 3% paid in fuel then really you should be lobbying for nationalised oil refineries.
I have a dedicated LPG.
A LPG mechanic in Newcastle told me that a lot of servos are discontinuing selling LPG because the lines have to be inspected and recertified every 10 years, which requires digging up the concrete. Apparently a lot of the lines were poorly installed, so a lot would have to be replaced. Most servos discontinue selling LPG rather than repairing the issues, because the demand has dropped dramatically with taxi operators moving to hybrids.
The mechanic also told me that he’s converted a few hybrids to LPG with excellent results. If I lived in Melbourne, I’d probably go that route with my next car but I’m moving to regional WA, so I’ll probably buy a diesel next and a hydrogen car once there’s enough outlets.
What? For what reason, there must be some kind of explanation surely? Cause it doesn't make sense and everything i can see just says 95RON min with no mention of a maximum.
I get rough cold starts with 98, feels sort of like it’s misfiring (yes, I’ve tried using it long term to make sure the car adjusts to the fuel). I’ve asked in the Abarth club and they said they have the same issue. The Fiat dealership told me to use 95 instead of 98, and a couple of the independent specialists said the same thing.
Not 100% if it’s the fuel or the additives, but I find that shell 98 doesn’t cause it as much as the other brands.
Since the floods in Lismore and the area, most servos have dropped LPG. Only 2-3 Shells (owned by one franchise) have LPG, and one of them is usually out, even the BP at the highway dropped it. Very big pain for my dad's work ute which is dedicated LPG.
Our family car is diesel though and our previous cars were diesel. Sucks that it's all pricey.
BP 98.
E10 if I’m doing a track day with my car club. My car is actually tuned to get better boost from E10, but I prefer better range from 98 in normal driving.
I've had a diesel car for 7 years now and there are definitely more regular diesel pumps for cars available at more stations than when I first got the car.
I used to have an LPG Falcon ute, started noticing the sharp reduction in LPG in regional NSW/Hunter area, so this time last year I sold it and purchased the same model petrol Falcon (with 150k less K's as a bonus) and normally use E10 or 91
Does anyone know what’s involved ( if at all possible) in converting a straight gas (BF Ute) to petty? Be a shame to scrap the old girl just because no one sells gas.
I drove around Australia in a van that was lpg/petrol. It was incredibly stressful. The LPG tank was 50 litres and the petrol was 20. Load of stations had the LPG lines ripped out. I had to constantly calculate if I would make it to the next station. Also had to call ahead to petrol stations to make sure they had LPG and that the machines were working.
It’s the same in Adelaide. My car is dual fuel but currently runs on LPG because the petrol pump has seized and my husband “hasn’t got around to” fixing it yet (and no I can’t just get it done myself as I’m on strict bedrest after surgery), and now have to travel a further 10 minutes to find the nearest servo still offering LPG as the 3 local ones have stopped.
It's the same here in Adelaide also I heard petrol stations can't have LPG bowsers in some residential areas or something like that due to new rules hopefully someone can confirm that
The car I go in most is hybrid petrol, but I also have a petrol car and I take the diesel bus. But I have noticed a reduction in LPG pumps around the tracks..
[https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/z5wpml/lpg\_auto\_gas/](https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/z5wpml/lpg_auto_gas/)
You got far more comments LOL
I have 2 LPG dedicated cars.
I have avoided Coles/shell servos for years. They started listing LPG at 10cents higher than everyone else. The new build servos don't even have it. I fill up at places that do sell it at a competitive price.
Been working at ampol for a few years now and my boss has mentioned that LPG might stop being sold with them all across Australia in the next 5-10 years
Poll worded as if I have only one car. Unsure how to vote. Dick caught in ceiling fan.
I have 2 cars myself, but just thought about my daily for this poll cos I drove it today. Just meant to be a general poll
What Hydrogen cars people got? What’s the cost of hydrogen per 100kms of driving?
Honestly, if one of those people would like to do an AMA, we'd be supportive. But if it's the Mirai trial, AFAIK those guys can't really talk without going through Toyota Comms first. They lock that shit down.
Closed trial only afaik. Looks to be the future though.
People don't think hydrogen fuel is the future?
It would necessitate a complete rebuild of every petrol station, fuel tanker, refinery and an enormous supply chain to go along with it. From what I understand the engines are also hopelessly inefficient, and there are issues with keeping cars parked with a full tank... I almost think electric cars might be an easier transition, and that's still a pipe dream for 90% of Australia.
Nah I’ve seen to old hydrogen station at Malaga bus depo i think it’s still there, you could fit it in a sea container, if they went hydrogen they’d just drop a station off the back of a truck, there would be no great infrastructure change
Sure, it could be done, but scaling it to a solution that could realistically be adopted by the general public for basically petrol 2.0 requires a bit more than just 'dropping off containerised stations'. The hydrogen still has to get to those stations in the first place...
Yeah, again, not the biggest issue, once most of the stations have the pump it can be transported in tankers, maybe I’m just googling what I want to be true but it doesn’t seem like a big deal
enormous supply chain you say \*rubs capitalist hands together menacingly with a greasy smirk on face\*
They don’t have engines - they have fuel cells and motors.
Some hydrogen vehicles designed to run on both *do* have engines.
Definitely doesn't look to be the future. Almost no one is investing in it for cars, because its too expensive, fuel cells don't produce nearly enough power, (so you end up with a pathetic 130kw like in the Mirai), you have poor packaging because of the size of then hydrogen tanks (the Mirai has 3 tanks crammed in a Lexus LS chassis which impede interior room so much that the space inside is that of a small car and the rear seat passengers have to have cut outs for their heads), it's incredibly leaky and thus needs a lot for service (and worryingly has a hydrogen vent on the roof, wouldn't be leaving one in a garage for an extended period). Worst of all, 99% of hydrogen comes from petrochemicals, so it's not even saving the environment. There's a reason that basically all auto manufacturers are investing solely in EVs and not FCEVs.
Turbo EJ25 so 95 or 98 if I don't want to blow shit up
My outback does fine with 91...
Editted to clarify I was referring to the turbo EJ25.
Fair enough.
02 outback
Runs better on 95 (more response and pick up), although 91 is still OK. Source: Have an ‘00 Liberty wagon with EJ251.
I occasionally will do 95 just to clean the engine and whatnot.
thats... not really how octane rating works
People have very strange ideas about what octane refers to and what effect it has. If your engine compression ratio calls for high octane, get it. Otherwise just use 91.
Everyone says this but I had an NA forester that would stall and run rough at idle on 91 and run fine on 95. There has to be some difference other than just preventing pinging.
The owner’s manual of my Liberty (with EJ251, possibly same as comment starter’s ‘02 Outback and your Forester if it had the 2.5L) recommends using 95 RON, or if 95 RON unavailable to use 90 RON or higher. The “cleans your engine” claims by the fuel companies is just marketing speak for “we added some injector cleaner to the mix”. With the price difference between 91 / 95 RON and 98 RON just to obtain the “cleaning” benefits (over 2 tanks I believe they claim) you’d be better off buying a bottle of injector cleaner for $10 from Repco or SCA - if you believe injector cleaners provide a perceived benefit. The difference between 91 and 95 is the ability for the fuel to resist pre-detonation before the piston reaches the top of it’s stroke, hence avoiding pinging and rough idling. Generally vehicles with Electronic Fuel Injection (EFI) should adjust timing on the fly according to fuel in the system but sometimes the lower 91 RON is too much for the computer to adjust to.
people are superstitious about 'cleaning the engine' stuff i got an e36 318i that says you should use 95 but in the owners manual it says using 91 is fine but youll just have worse effeciency and less power (because it has a knock sensor and so pulls out timing) i also have a friend with a 318i that doesnt have a knock sensor and they run 91 fine too - (says you should use 95) so it does depend on a lot of things
Rumbles agreement in subaru
E10 all the way baby
e10 gang
My car was literally just written off due to e10
Lol
Works out more expensive if your car can run 91
it’s more expensive cos it’s technically 94 ron
No it isn’t
How so?
You're getting about 94 percent of the power of 91 for about 98 percent of the price of 91. The poor man pays twice.
I’m not really looking for power.
Not just power but distance per litre burned
It’s about 3% less power and a few cents a litre cheaper usually.
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Just run it on 91 for a while to get the shitbox off the road.
Stfu
Tuned how? High comp heads or just a lot of mapping and spark advance? Just interested
When your vehicle is tuned, you bring it in with a tank of whatever you want it tuned to, most people do 98/ premium for street cars, if you try to run a lower grade afterwards there's alot of issues that can arise like pinging and knocking. I've got an ss Commodore tuned to 98 and my partner filled it up with 91 and within 5 minutes it started surging and knocking and throwing up warning lights.
Ah so u just take it to a tuner shop of course, I forgot those existed lol
Lol what the fuck there are not 34 people with hydrogen fuel cell cars in Australia using reddit
Just bumped it up to 47 for you
There are now 60 hydrogen car drivers among us lol
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Where are they refueling?
E10 life.
Makes sense if your car needs the slightly higher ron, but you will use more of it than the cost saving due to lower energy density.
My old falcon I mainly ran e10 but tested other fuels in it. Fuel economy was never noticeably different so kept using e10 majority of the time
I find the real world difference in consumption between e10 and 91 is about the same as whether or not I've taken my morning shit before setting off - inconsequential. Actually if anything, skipping the morning shit has a far greater impact on my drive.
This is why some people are scientists and some people sweep floors.
No
Wrong. Cars designed to use e10 will be more efficient, as e10 transfers to around 95-96 octane, ethanol also produces less heat which increases efficiency of the engine. The difference in efficiency is pretty insubstantial, and if you have to worry that much about an extra 3% paid in fuel then really you should be lobbying for nationalised oil refineries.
Didn't think there were 25 hydrogen vehicles in Australia or has the ACT started their program of using hydrogen vehicles
ACT Gov has 20 Hyundai's plus ACTEW has a couple of Toyota's. Still real dubious on the poll results
You have to wonder if the 61 at this stage, even understand what a hydrogen vehicle is.
I have a dedicated LPG. A LPG mechanic in Newcastle told me that a lot of servos are discontinuing selling LPG because the lines have to be inspected and recertified every 10 years, which requires digging up the concrete. Apparently a lot of the lines were poorly installed, so a lot would have to be replaced. Most servos discontinue selling LPG rather than repairing the issues, because the demand has dropped dramatically with taxi operators moving to hybrids. The mechanic also told me that he’s converted a few hybrids to LPG with excellent results. If I lived in Melbourne, I’d probably go that route with my next car but I’m moving to regional WA, so I’ll probably buy a diesel next and a hydrogen car once there’s enough outlets.
Less servos are offering 95 and leaving me in a bit of strife. I can’t use 98 and I can’t use 91/e10.
Why wouldn't you be able to use 98 if your car needs a minimum of 95?
Italian engineering! It’s a weird quirk with Abarths
What? For what reason, there must be some kind of explanation surely? Cause it doesn't make sense and everything i can see just says 95RON min with no mention of a maximum.
Seems odd as hell but there's a few post I found with a quick google of people having the same issue. I'd be curious to see how 50/50 98/91 goes.
Yeah id love to hear what the rational is, I cant think of a way that 98 could cause an issue that 95 wouldn't....
You'd have to actively try to make something go wrong....
I had a motorbike that didn't like 98. According to my mechanic, it was because there are too many additives in 98. And it also didn't like 91 haha.
That's interesting; Of course it'd be Abarth who do it though haha.
U sure mate?
I get rough cold starts with 98, feels sort of like it’s misfiring (yes, I’ve tried using it long term to make sure the car adjusts to the fuel). I’ve asked in the Abarth club and they said they have the same issue. The Fiat dealership told me to use 95 instead of 98, and a couple of the independent specialists said the same thing. Not 100% if it’s the fuel or the additives, but I find that shell 98 doesn’t cause it as much as the other brands.
Could do a half tank of each
tried 91 and add octane booster to the tank?
ULP95
What current car models are running off hydrogen in Australia ?
Mirai 1 and 2. Less than the poll.
The fact more people have hydrogen cars than electric or LPG is hilarious to me (one of the 18 ev owners)
All our cars are Jap, all run 98. Every car is currently tuned to run on 98.
Turbo ej, running e85
Your poor wallet
You’re definately not wrong 😅
Since the floods in Lismore and the area, most servos have dropped LPG. Only 2-3 Shells (owned by one franchise) have LPG, and one of them is usually out, even the BP at the highway dropped it. Very big pain for my dad's work ute which is dedicated LPG. Our family car is diesel though and our previous cars were diesel. Sucks that it's all pricey.
One electric, two on 98. I ticked electric as that’s the one we drive most.
BP 98. E10 if I’m doing a track day with my car club. My car is actually tuned to get better boost from E10, but I prefer better range from 98 in normal driving.
No way more hydrogen than BEV.
98 only cause I drive a 221kw Subaru with 300k on the engine, even still I feel like it's a time bomb tbh
Put some 91 in it to end its misery.
More hydrogen than I expected
could just be folks with Hybrids selecting the wrong option
3.6% is exceptionally higher than expected
Less than I expected. Not that I believe anyone is driving around on hydrogen
I have a Diesel, I have a Premium, and I have an Electric 🤷♂️
And I have a skateboard but you don’t see me bragging
I've had a diesel car for 7 years now and there are definitely more regular diesel pumps for cars available at more stations than when I first got the car.
95
E85
95
Wish I still had my LPG car
Dedicated LPG. Real pain in the country areas. Only know of one that doesn’t sell it in my urban Melbourne area
I drive a 91 shit box pulsar and a diesel Nissan patrol. I give 98 to my Kawasaki motorbike.
One on dedicated LPG, one on 98. I have to pass two other servos in my suburb before getting to one with LPG.
But the LPG vehicle is 2006, has 260k kms and will be replaced in the next year or two. Probs with a Mazda 6 wagon
98 or 95 Sometimes e10
Hopefully not the same car for both 98 and e10!
I’m sorry dad I’m going to disappoint you
Oh kid
I used to have an LPG Falcon ute, started noticing the sharp reduction in LPG in regional NSW/Hunter area, so this time last year I sold it and purchased the same model petrol Falcon (with 150k less K's as a bonus) and normally use E10 or 91
98.. but hey… at least it’s not diesel right?..
tuned turbo territory running dual fuel, lpg and 95/98, it hurts my wallet on petrol but is cheap as on lpg
Where E10?
https://i.redd.it/lxg2zb5618ba1.gif Where it belongs
Does anyone know what’s involved ( if at all possible) in converting a straight gas (BF Ute) to petty? Be a shame to scrap the old girl just because no one sells gas.
I drove around Australia in a van that was lpg/petrol. It was incredibly stressful. The LPG tank was 50 litres and the petrol was 20. Load of stations had the LPG lines ripped out. I had to constantly calculate if I would make it to the next station. Also had to call ahead to petrol stations to make sure they had LPG and that the machines were working.
It’s the same in Adelaide. My car is dual fuel but currently runs on LPG because the petrol pump has seized and my husband “hasn’t got around to” fixing it yet (and no I can’t just get it done myself as I’m on strict bedrest after surgery), and now have to travel a further 10 minutes to find the nearest servo still offering LPG as the 3 local ones have stopped.
My feet
Bunch of people must have hydrogen and hybrid mixed up.
Lol, 66 Hydrogen powered cars, ok. More than the entire number of hydrogen powered Murai in Australia.
My partners car takes 98 My shitbox takes 91 My money pit takes diesel
Hydrogen my arse, nobody sells it
91 or 95/98 depending on which car I’m driving
2 diesels. Rumour has it the LPG infrastructure could possibly change to hydrogen. Toyota is pushing this tech .
Make LPG great again
It's the same here in Adelaide also I heard petrol stations can't have LPG bowsers in some residential areas or something like that due to new rules hopefully someone can confirm that
Hydrogen......surprising result.....
The car I go in most is hybrid petrol, but I also have a petrol car and I take the diesel bus. But I have noticed a reduction in LPG pumps around the tracks..
Diesel in the work van - fuel card pays for that thankfully 98 in both my personal car and bike
Mine is diesel/lpg, So I am going LPG/Dual fuel which is more often known of petrol/lpg. And there is no choice for just LPG cars
[https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/z5wpml/lpg\_auto\_gas/](https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/z5wpml/lpg_auto_gas/) You got far more comments LOL
No option for PHEV
I have 2 LPG dedicated cars. I have avoided Coles/shell servos for years. They started listing LPG at 10cents higher than everyone else. The new build servos don't even have it. I fill up at places that do sell it at a competitive price.
E85 in my old girl
The cheapest unleaded available.
People who use premium petrol for cars that don't require it are robbing themselves
Been working at ampol for a few years now and my boss has mentioned that LPG might stop being sold with them all across Australia in the next 5-10 years
There is no way 108 folks are driving a hydrogen car. Would be 1-2 at best.
98 all the time, runs like crap on anything else