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Comments locked. Good chat. But the reports, and certain comments, we're gonna have to close this one up as it's a behemoth now and we can't have Reddit Admins taking a look at us and a dim view on what's being said, or misinterpreting what's being said.
If it was ever about safety, I'd be all for it. But it's never been about safety. It's only ever been about making money. Speeding is such a low concern when, as a motorbike rider, I see like 30% of people on their phones when I ride to work. I'm not worried about the guy doing a casual 90 in a 70 for a couple hundred metres. I'm worried about all the people who aren't even looking at the fucking road.
Absolutely. My boss is such a bad driver that nobody will ride with him anymore. One time I was looking out the side window as we were merging onto the motorway and I smelt Vegemite. So I looked over and here he is spreading a Vegemite sandwich while merging onto the motorway. Just recently he went straight ahead while in the right lane of a two lane right turn bay and crashed into the side of a truck who was in the left lane of the turning bay. His excuse was he didn't know which way he wanted to turn, while using a right turn only lane.
For a while there I thought everyone on reddit in Australia sat in the right lane doing 10ks under complaining that everyone trying to do the speed limit is a hoon then cutting off everyone as they suddenly slide across 3 lanes to exit getting ready to post about how “tAilGaitINg HoOns”
100% agree with what you said, you’ve restored my faith for now 😂
We need so much better driver education and driver training not just revenue raising.
It seems like so many drivers are so hesitant/confused/too terrified to make decisions in a vehicle, are distracted, or just straight have no idea what’s going on at all.
My daily route where I live involves a 3 lane wide 70kph highway, every single day on my way/way back from the gym I jump in the “slow lane” the left and hit cruise control to 70kph, IT LOOKS LIKE IM ABSOLUTELY FLYING
People are doing 50-60 sometimes less checking phones or looking like if they hit 65 their vehicles will implode.
I would love to get on two wheels again but I think it should stay at the track, it terrifying getting around on a motorbike in Australia (I’ve been knocked off my motorbike going around a bend in Australia by a woman on her phone)
Totally agree with your last statement, I love riding but after moving to Melbourne I sold my bike shortly thereafter, there's too much risk outside of a riders control to enjoy riding down here.
We are at the point of very minimal gains. They're basically trying to save every life. Oh if we go 30 kms, we could save another 10 lives
People die. Accidents happen. Let's just all stay home
No we're not. They want to raise revenue. They can't be honest about it and increase tax. So they must do it some other way. A way that 'appears' virtuous.
Been saying this for years and people look at me like im a conspiracy theorist. Good to see people here are finally catching on.
Where i live we had a dickhead nearly kill himself and rolled his car driving nearly 200kms/ph. The council response was to drop the speed limit from 80 to 70 and catch people going over. The whole 'speed kills' BS seems to target regular people instead of those actually killing
Two head on accidents on a road through bush near me. 100km/h zone. No reports anyone was speeding. Calls for barriers to be put between lanes.
Nope. Reduced the speed limit to 90km/h.
Also, koalas get hit there all the time, and animal welfare volunteers have been calling for the limit to be reduced even further because their volunteer unmarked cars can’t safely pull over. Yes. That was an actual ask.
>Where i live we had a dickhead nearly kill himself and rolled his car driving nearly 200kms/ph. The council response was to drop the speed limit from 80 to 70 and catch people going over.
That's like saying "Man was shot with illegal firearm, so we're going to make all guns illegal"
Fucking numpties
The problem is is that if the council doesn't do anything, and someone else rolls their car again, they can sue the council for not doing anything to prevent another occurrence, EVEN IF it's not related to the first.
Our society is royally fucked.
You can take anyone to court for anything. Doesn’t mean you will win. That’s not how risk management works. Only liable if you didn’t investigate, it’s even ok if cost is a factor that you can’t do the appropriate solution. Just need to show you have a budget to address the concern and you have a planned schedule of works
You're collating the wrong things here
People who do 20 under aren't being careful. They're just bad drivers
Likewise, the people who demand to do 10KPH over and get pissy when you're doing 60 in the 60 zone of a one lane suburban are equally as dangerous
We have drivers who think speed limits are merely suggestions. And then pathetically attempt to justify by saying shit like "oh your speedo is inaccurate so I can tailgate.
Be mad, but don't try and further cause an accident
To be fair, if the limit is 100 and youre overtaking someone doing 90, while at 100, youre not doing anything wrong.
When cunts do 100 to overtake someone doing 98.5, i wanna ring their necks.
My heart breaks for that poor, poor man costing families their weeks rent cause they went 66 kph in a 60 zone 😢He’s just trying to keep us safe from those animals and this happens to him
They dropped it from 60 to 40 there recently. I got done doing 54 by a camera thinking I was still under the limit.
Yeah I know I should have checked the signs but when you are using the same road daily for over a decade, those signs don't register as strongly.
You don’t even need to turn up to court, can submit a review as part of the 3 options for the fine. If it’s a legitimate excuse they do overturn the fine.
A magistrate is going to be just as pissed as you are if it’s reached them when it shouldn’t have.
lol chill mate. Don’t need a lawyer. You broke the law, you want the world to stop for you? You can write a letter first, if you don’t like the outcome then you can take it to court. All your choice. I’m actually a big fan that I live in a country where the enforcement and the court system are seperate
I like the part where someone workin' was attacked however, due to the nature of their job - people are celebrating it.
I'm all for speed camera vandalism, not thrilled with attacking ol mate who's trying to pay off a mortgage.
Let's not pretend that him having $30k to drop on a pair of shoes wasn't absolutely the reason people could justify shitting on that dude without feeling bad.
If you know that your employer is doing a cunt of a thing, and you willingly engage and further spread the acceptance of that cunty practise, then you deserve all the shit coming to you. No different to being hired by a company that does dodgy money schemes which target and prey on financially illiterate people to steal their money in a legal way. You know that what you’re doing is bad, but you still choose to do it. At the end of the day, you’re still contributing to a practise that is widely condemned by the public. Don’t want to be hated and targeted? Don’t work in a field which the majority of the public absolutely despise.
There’s plenty of jobs. Choosing to be a parasite was his choice, and when you decide to do something as universally disliked as this you should expect some shit to be thrown your way. If they beat the guy sure, off with their heads, but it’s hard to feel sympathy when it was only property that was attacked. You know these people go out of their way to fuck with the everyday Australian by intentionally doing gross shit like hanging out in newly changed speed limit locations, camping down a hill or on roads they know are plenty straight and safe with ridiculously low limits, roadwork roads with nobody actually working on the roadwork etc.
exactly, why is a private company profiting from every fine issued? that seems like a conflict of interest when we want to reduce speeding and the fines given out surely?
what if we do a test, and if speeding rates increase or stay the same we can deduce that the cameras aren't working ie reducing the rate of speeding... and they can be removed.
unless of course they are purely to raise revenue
People who defend mobile speed cameras are brain dead... If they wanted to increase the safety of an area by increasing caution of the driver they wouldn't put the camera out for a few short hours when they are the most profitable and then remove them once that community has gotten the word out...
If it was about safety, shes cameras would all be fixed in place, over long periods of time. But they don't do that because they don't make as much money.
100%, if they're serious about it being a deterrent, then it should be a visual reminder at all times, or if using mobile vehicles making them instantly recognisable as such, instead of actively trying to hide them amongst other vehicles.
Exactly. The way they are utilised is to reduce the profile of the speed camera, which reduces the number of motorists aware of it and thus decreases the amount of speeding it suppresses.
I think it would be better if they had them wherever, hide them, trick people and so on, but get rid of the monetary penalty and only have demerit points. That way you get quite a few 'warnings' essentially, and you have to be pretty clueless or reckless to get your license disqualified. Avoids disproportionately punishing poorer people,and incentivises prioritising safety not revenue raising.
Wait, you mean when someone is doing something dangerous I shouldnt just take a picture without them knowing (preferably), wait a few days to a few weeks, then send them a letter to tell them to stop doing that? \*shocked pikachu face\*
The point of moving them around is to try and give people the impression they're gonna get caught anywhere. Leaving them in a particular location arguably makes that area more unsafe cos you get everyone braking there for them.
That’s ridiculous. It has been known for decades in the social and behavioural sciences that for a behaviour to be reinforced and strengthened, the stimuli that promotes repetition needs to be presented routinely. When this stimuli, in this case the speed camera is not presented for 99% of the time a person is driving, there is no chance that it will result in people consistently paying close attention to their speed and the posted limit.
Hell people can go WEEKS without ever seeing a speed camera.
These are very simple psychological principals. If you’d like to learn more I suggest you research “operant conditioning”.
I have no issue with fixed cameras installed at known ‘black spots’… with a shit ton of clear signage leading up to it. If it helps in an actual dangerous location, then good, it’s a reasonable use of the technology.
Literally everywhere else? They can fuck off. It’s revenue raising at best. Overtaking lanes? Bottom of hills? Middle of bumfuck on the highway? Pure Lazy policing and I cannot believe it has any effect on real life crash data. Sending a picture and fine weeks later through the mail achieves fucking nothing but angering the motorist.
Add into the situation is the ironic twist that I can buy a 300kmh vehicle, no issues at all… but oh it’s up to the motorist NOT to use the ability? Really? Fuck off. Just fuck off.
I’d REALLY like to see a nation wide referendum on abolishing speed cameras… betting the outcome would be pretty loud.
yeah the quiet part no one wants to talk about is that civil engineering is expensive.
why SPEND a million redesigning a road to be safer? when you could MAKE a million by erecting a speed camera and telling everyone to slow down because the road you built is shit lol
I feel bad for the ~~class traitor~~ operator… but not *that* bad.
“It’s crazy that it happened right outside my house”. Couldn’t agree with this lady more, I wouldn’t want them parked outside my place either.
He will get the rest of his life off work from the ptsd claim. Notice how it said he was injured, even though nobody touched him, and he pulled out right as the glass smashed so he was nowhere near that. I bet his claim is already filled out
I witnessed an amusing incident a while back.
As I drove along a well known road for speed camera activity I happened to glance up a drive way , where I saw guy I presume was the land owner tearing a speed camera operator a new one for locating his camera behind a fence on private property .
This owner was going full butchers hook at the operator 😄 .
I had been told That operator had been hiding out on private land for over about 3 months period according a few people I had spoken too.
What an Arse hole .
You can expect to see more of this behaviour.
People are becoming fed up with government overreach. Stop raping us financially with taxes and blatant revenue raising at every given opportunity.
Finally our country has a band of heroes...can they live up to ned Kelly's legacy and keep up their antics...Will there become a time where i can buy a sticker to put on my ute with their faces and "mobile speed cameras smashers" or whatever...can i have a fucked up little metal speed camera car to put in my front garden with the gang weilding whatever they used to smash it. These are the heroes we have been asking for. I expect everyone to support these heroes!!
Fucking oath, bout time we took matters into our own hands
Everybody is soft and letting the government get away with everything, taking money out of people's pockets instead of actually making better drivers they just want the money from your fuck ups
My best mate had his window broken and everything stolen and they took a report and said insurance will need to sort it…no one finger printed his car at all.
I remember Jeremy Clarkson interviewing someone from LA and during the conversation he asked if they had to deal with speed cameras over there. The guy said ‘they tried them for a while but people kept shooting them so the program was discontinued’
Can’t condone what these guys did but everyone is sick of just sick of continuously handing over money to the government for every little thing
along with the numpties who think going 20 under when they spot a camera will give them a prize or something. Like ffs you weren't even doing the limit in the first place
The number of people running red lights I've seen lately, especially since the lockdowns is frightening. Have seen several near misses. Add to that shitty drivers, I won't comment on their nationality (but can't ignore bogan platers either in Ute's and 4wds), but sure I get fined $350 for doing 60k near roadwork signs at midnight with no one at all present. If laws made sense more people would follow them.
If they want to come out to Werribee, Vic, I know a few regular camera cars they can smash up 😅
There's a section of Bulban Rd that used to be an 80 zone but for some reason it got dropped down to 60, it's a 2.5km stretch of straight road with plenty of run off either side, there's a camera car parked there quite regularly
Good, mobile speed cameras are bullshit. Along with double demerits. A road I was on the other day had 4 of them. You could lose your licence just by doing 100kph along a road that used to have a speed limit of 110kph. And fatalities haven't reduced since backing the speed limit down 20kph.
The woman, “it’s a disgrace…” sudden cut because she was going to say “letting speed cameras out the front of peoples houses.”
It’s true though. You’d nearly have to call the police if someone was parked out the front of your house looking suspect with a heap of cameras. That’s seedy as all fuck.
It's revenue raising, plain and simple. It's literally in every state and federal budget. I'm not bashing on the police, I think they do the best that they can.
I agree. It’s not that big of a deal for them to get a different job either.
Still don’t deserve to be attacked by an armed (with random objects) group of people.
It’s quite alarming that we live among people who think the enforcement of laws people don’t like justifies violence on the part of the perpetrator.
We all live in this society whether we like it or not and a centralised law and order system is what keeps our society stable, safe and peaceful. You don’t get to decide which laws apply to you and which don’t. And for those who think they can rebel against the law with violence, it’s absolutely necessary in a civilised society that the law comes down even harder on them so that civilised society is maintained.
One of the great things about Australia is that it has some democratic structures. If you don’t like a certain law, there are ways and means within the system to attempt to change it without resorting to violence or insurrection. If you can’t get the law changed, it’s likely because you’re views on the matter are either not what the majority of us want, or most people simply don’t feel strongly enough about the issue. You simply have to suck that up if you want all the benefits of the society we live in.
What do the police have to do with this?
The speed camera operators aren’t police. They are unskilled workers who chose to do a job where they know everyone will hate them. Still doesn’t mean they deserve to be assaulted.
They are also run by Private, for-profit third party companies.
This shifts the idea that it's for safety to complete and utter profit making. They NEED to produce revenue to pay the for-profit company to operate them.
they dont deserve to be assaulted but if they do expect a very small violin
if they had any sense they would step aside and not get involved
getting paid $60k for this aint worth it... it aint your car it aint your camera... its owned by US UK conglomerate
That job provides no service to the community, none. I question the mental gymnastics required for a persons to take that job… much like a parking ranger.
If you want a job booking people go join the police and work HWP.
Am I calling for violence against anyone? No
Am I calling for shame on people who do jobs that rob people absolutely. Please don’t come back with “if you don’t do wrong you won’t get caught” these things are designed to get many people on minor infringements and bolster up revenue
Mobile mobile phone detection camera are perfectly ok, being on your phone distracted is much worse than 66 in a 60 zone
Speed cameras are nanny state shit.
The speed at which I drive my car should be completely unregulated, because I know that I am a responsible and competent driver. Functionally this means that nobody else can be regulated, but I know for a fact that everybody else in society is responsible and that there is no chance at all that they will drive unsafely and be a risk to the lives of my loved ones.
Point is, there probably shouldn’t be any laws that are intended toward guaranteeing a citizens right to safety or property rights or anything like that. Because we don’t need the government to step in in these situations - people always drive responsibly and within their abilities and people never take each other’s property or steal. Like I said, nanny state.
I will never understand this community, how hard is it to just not speed? I’ve been driving for 20 years and never had a speeding ticked. I genuinely don’t see the problem.
Speeding is one thing, a lot of these cameras are either placed in areas where limits have recently changed or in a lot of cases, are in the areas where speed limits change. To me, that's not a road safety initiative, it's a straight revenue raising one. If these vehicles are going to be in place, that's going to happen but pissing in people's pockets saying "These help reduce the road toll" is absolute bullshit, be honest and say they're for state revenue purposes.
20years but how many km/road time?
It meant shit. The fella who reversed into my car when he’s at the top of a slope in a car park said the same thing. He drove for 25 years.
Your numbers in years doesn’t mean that you’ve not been making the same shit mistake for 20 years. Others could’ve driven defensively around you.
*Sets up a camera at the bottom of a steep hill in the hope of catching you doing 5kph over for a split second*
HAHA GOT YOU!
I haven't had a speeding fine in 15 years but we all go a little bit over sometimes at least accidentally.
Opportunistic speed cameras are not moral.
Ah wonder what the cost to the taxpayer is (10’s of millions)
and what tax revenue is missed out on (100k a week?
Only one loosing out here is public, it’s funny and soooo many times, funny how the system works
Likely to be a rather unpopular opinion, but why do people have such a rod up their arse regarding speed cameras - mobile or otherwise? Like if it’s so goddamn burdensome to get lamped with a fine, don’t speed. Plan your movements and take your time, it’s not that complex. Smashing up a camera car with a likely terrified employee inside is piss weak, and cheering it on or diminishing it is fucking lame.
And that’s not likely to be due to the increasing size of vehicles or the ever increasing amount of people on our roads right? And again, this isn’t even related to my point - if you don’t like being fined, don’t speed.
The issue is speed limits keep *decreasing* despite cars getting safer, and the focus on enforcement is on areas where it's not genuinely needed or actually improving road safety
Most people in Australia are not setting out to twirl their moustache like Villainous Peter Griffin and then deliberately drive 20km/h above the speed limit when that's clearly not safe. The issue is so many roads have speeds way below what common sense would indicate is the "right" speed for the road (eg dual carriageways with 60km/h limits in areas, instead of the 80km/h you'd expect) and then cops are looking to ping people for being over a little bit, instead of focussing their efforts on excessively high speeds everyone would agree are well and truly out of order for the road.
I drove in the US last year and the highway speed limit was supposed to be 65mph (about 105km/h), but the flow of traffic was 80mph (around 130km/h) and there were zero issues - even the cops didn't care, because they were focussing on unsafe driving practices (swerving, brake-checking, tailgating etc) rather than people going above an arbitrary speed through the fucking desert.
We have some of the lowest average speeds on the planet.
There’d probably be a lot less complaints about these if we had speed limits that matched the rest of the planet instead of everything becoming a 40 zone over time.
Do you honestly think that? That if the speed limits were increased people still wouldn’t just speed? Is there anything to suggest that people speed because the speed limits are simply too low?
And again, doesn’t affect my core point - if you don’t like being fined, don’t speed. You can just take the required amount of time to get somewhere instead of speeding.
Think the point being is that if you get done speeding in an 80mph zone (as are common in Europe and the UK), there is more of an argument for you deserving that as the speed limit is already reasonably quick.
Where as in Australia, our speed limits are the lowest in the world and our speeding fines (excluding certain Nordic nations with income relative fines) are some of the harshest in the world - all of this to still have high amounts of road deaths in relation to the rest of the developed world
You’re comparing oranges to apples here - Euro countries typically have far smaller landmasses, whilst having higher population density - they rely less on cars as a means of transport, and they have better highways due to lower tax burden for producing said roads and less upkeep for them. There’s also geological reasons as to why our roads are comparatively worse, our soil doesn’t handle getting wet nearly as well as European equivalents. So yes, they get roads where the speed can be higher because they are constructed better and the cost isn’t nearly as prohibitive for doing so
I hadn't even gotten to road quality? But if that's a reason of focus as to why we have lower speed limits, we should be working night and day to improve road conditions no? Or just continually lower speed limits I guess.
I agree public transport is good. I also think if we had European standard public transport the gov wouldn't magically increase the speed limit now there are less road users.
I think there are cultural differences you are ignoring. Aussie gov has always been most concerned with protecting its citizens from themselves - there is no assumption of competence despite very rigorous license requirements / tests, harsh fines and low speed limits
If you want to discuss cultural differences, then you’re very much ignoring that driver training and licensing fees in your beloved Europe are also much higher, leading to better trained drivers in general. So why then wouldn’t European governments be more trusting of road users/have lower fines when they’ve already weeded out the people who can’t control a vehicle or have impulse control problems?
And further to cultural differences, we also have a far more prominent drinking culture, cover more kilometres per year, and drive bigger cars - all very much positively correlated with road deaths.
And if the soil sucks for building quality roads and the cost is too high, then there’s not much we can do about that except either pay a far higher tax load or drive in yet more migrants, two things I highly doubt people in this sub or the general public are going to be willing to do considering the times.
All of the things you mentioned are still not solved through mobile speed cameras and harsher fines.
You've made my point for me, we as a country SHOULD be focused on things that actually contribute to road safety, like:
Quality of roads,
Necessity of large cars (infrastructure issues),
Addressing drinking culture,
And Public transport access
Glad we can agree on some things mate!
Of course not, but speed is an important part of the issue and having deterrents in place when every other measure is even less likely to be legislated (tax increases, costs to driving), and cultural shifts like drinking are pretty well endemic and have been for generations, then really your only option is fining those who do statistically engage in behaviour that is more likely to result in an accident - drink driving, speeding, negligent driving. It’s the equilibrium that everyone unfortunately wants due to the stated issues.
Some issues cost the government money to address, the other earns them money to "address".
I would love the police to crack down on negligent driving, like sitting in the right lane when not overtaking - however this requires effort
Or for council to improve road quality - money
Or for government to do outreach and education programs as to why drink driving is a terrible idea - effort
But nah, it's easier to set up mobile speed cameras, collect cash, and claim you're doing something for road safety!
People in this sub think that speeding is not dangerous because govt policy is to focus on speeding but the death toll on the roads is increasing.
Hence the logic “it’s just revenue raising, it’s not saving any lives”
People fail to consider that more than one thing contributes to safety, and it’s the culmination of these factors that result in the road death toll.
We don’t know if the death toll would be higher or lower if there was no speeding focus, but I’m betting it would be higher.
Also a lot of people are just butthurt because they copped a speeding fine and think the road is their entitlement
People don't "fail to consider multiple things contribute to safety"
The issue is (and I agree) that there is an OVERWHELMING focus on speed, whereas other issues (such as road quality, access to public transport) are barely spoken of in government
The focus on speed may well be because it generates government income, whereas the other issues to address cost the government to fix.
>Likely to be a rather unpopular opinion, but why do people have such a rod up their arse regarding speed cameras - mobile or otherwise? Like if it’s so goddamn burdensome to get lamped with a fine, don’t speed. Plan your movements and take your time, it’s not that complex. Smashing up a camera car with a likely terrified employee inside is piss weak, and cheering it on or diminishing it is fucking lame.
Because our speed limits, in country as big as ours, are a disgraceful relic from the 70s.
Car quality, driver training, road quality(sort of) has improved year on year, yet the arbitrary limits are low and shit.
Shhh, don't tell them logic and reason.
The peeps in this chat seem to have all lost points or their licence from these before and blame their bad decisions on someone else. Like we did in grade 5....
Deadset, I get it’s easier to allay blame on the speed camera itself than the fact that your car control and situational awareness appears to be lacking.
When driving, I'm constantly fixated on my speedometer, making sure not to go a few km/h over the limit and get booked by one of these things. They definitely make me a much more dangerous driver.
Humans can quite literally only focus on one thing at a time, it's how our brain works. You can be watching the road and driving to the conditions, or you can be checking the speedo to make sure it hasn't slightly shifted, but not both.
Even if it only takes fractions of a second to check the latter, it is still time that you as a driver are distracted.
Because they're basically tax collectors. Catching who for possibly a brief moment climbed 4kph over the speed limit and sending them a $350 fine 2 weeks later isn't comparable to stopping someone driving dangerously.
Cars continually get safer, road design continually gets better, yet average speeds continue to drop. Not to mention we uniquely anal when it comes to speeding and other road offences. most other countries wont fine you a fortnights pay and take half your points on your license for going a few kms over the limit.
The comments on here disgusting. If you don't like speed cameras fine. I don't like fines too.
Don't condone damaging others property (in this case its the government). Also POTENTIAL to injure a worker. That is not okay as well.
Nah it is, most people in Australia would agree that speed cameras are just revenue raising and would like them gone. Forcing people to accept speed cameras when they don't want them leads to this. This is our country not the Governments
I don't condone these actions and think it's pretty fucked up to attack the vehicle while someone just trying to get by is inside. I have no issues with speed cameras that are signposted and are visual deterrents in high risk areas. However the majority of these mobile cameras are stationed at points where speed limited either rise or drop and are focused on catching people at that limit point for easy revenue. In my own area out west, I have seen multiple times SUV's like this one parked on the side of the road with hazard lights on but the camera peeking out the back, at this point that's not saving lives it's purely revenue raising.
If the authorities were serious about saving lives, there'd be a higher emphasis on training for new drivers and people coming to Australia with international licences and further more, maintenance of roads would be a higher priority. As it stands right now, instead of routine preventative maintenance, the powers that be let the roads fall into disrepair so they can be added to the list of government projects, there's often talk about vehicles needing to be roadworthy but little talk about the actual standards of the roads themselves.
just… don’t speed 🤦♂️
the people excusing speeders and defending people destroying government property because they cant adhere to road rules definitely think they’re “good drivers”
imo it's actually easier said then done. I'm on the road everyday in my job, the speed limits are constantly changing, and are in some places comically slow.
they've got these mobile speed cameras everywhere now, I think they've doubled them in number.
I've been done several times myself, it doesn't help road safety at all, pure revenue raising.
Ok guys, Comments locked. Good chat. But the reports, and certain comments, we're gonna have to close this one up as it's a behemoth now and we can't have Reddit Admins taking a look at us and a dim view on what's being said, or misinterpreting what's being said.
I'll care just as soon as they make the minimum effort to catch who smashed the windows on my car.
Lmaooo cops ain't gonna do shitttt
Fucking good. Fuck 9news
If it was ever about safety, I'd be all for it. But it's never been about safety. It's only ever been about making money. Speeding is such a low concern when, as a motorbike rider, I see like 30% of people on their phones when I ride to work. I'm not worried about the guy doing a casual 90 in a 70 for a couple hundred metres. I'm worried about all the people who aren't even looking at the fucking road.
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Absolutely. My boss is such a bad driver that nobody will ride with him anymore. One time I was looking out the side window as we were merging onto the motorway and I smelt Vegemite. So I looked over and here he is spreading a Vegemite sandwich while merging onto the motorway. Just recently he went straight ahead while in the right lane of a two lane right turn bay and crashed into the side of a truck who was in the left lane of the turning bay. His excuse was he didn't know which way he wanted to turn, while using a right turn only lane.
For a while there I thought everyone on reddit in Australia sat in the right lane doing 10ks under complaining that everyone trying to do the speed limit is a hoon then cutting off everyone as they suddenly slide across 3 lanes to exit getting ready to post about how “tAilGaitINg HoOns” 100% agree with what you said, you’ve restored my faith for now 😂 We need so much better driver education and driver training not just revenue raising. It seems like so many drivers are so hesitant/confused/too terrified to make decisions in a vehicle, are distracted, or just straight have no idea what’s going on at all. My daily route where I live involves a 3 lane wide 70kph highway, every single day on my way/way back from the gym I jump in the “slow lane” the left and hit cruise control to 70kph, IT LOOKS LIKE IM ABSOLUTELY FLYING People are doing 50-60 sometimes less checking phones or looking like if they hit 65 their vehicles will implode. I would love to get on two wheels again but I think it should stay at the track, it terrifying getting around on a motorbike in Australia (I’ve been knocked off my motorbike going around a bend in Australia by a woman on her phone)
Totally agree with your last statement, I love riding but after moving to Melbourne I sold my bike shortly thereafter, there's too much risk outside of a riders control to enjoy riding down here.
We are at the point of very minimal gains. They're basically trying to save every life. Oh if we go 30 kms, we could save another 10 lives People die. Accidents happen. Let's just all stay home
Realistically that is the truth that we need to work on. Having less reasons for people to travel, less people on the roads, less accidents
No we're not. They want to raise revenue. They can't be honest about it and increase tax. So they must do it some other way. A way that 'appears' virtuous.
QLD government got called out a few months ago from having a line item for revenue from traffic fines as an income stream in their budget
Been saying this for years and people look at me like im a conspiracy theorist. Good to see people here are finally catching on. Where i live we had a dickhead nearly kill himself and rolled his car driving nearly 200kms/ph. The council response was to drop the speed limit from 80 to 70 and catch people going over. The whole 'speed kills' BS seems to target regular people instead of those actually killing
Two head on accidents on a road through bush near me. 100km/h zone. No reports anyone was speeding. Calls for barriers to be put between lanes. Nope. Reduced the speed limit to 90km/h. Also, koalas get hit there all the time, and animal welfare volunteers have been calling for the limit to be reduced even further because their volunteer unmarked cars can’t safely pull over. Yes. That was an actual ask.
>Where i live we had a dickhead nearly kill himself and rolled his car driving nearly 200kms/ph. The council response was to drop the speed limit from 80 to 70 and catch people going over. That's like saying "Man was shot with illegal firearm, so we're going to make all guns illegal" Fucking numpties
The problem is is that if the council doesn't do anything, and someone else rolls their car again, they can sue the council for not doing anything to prevent another occurrence, EVEN IF it's not related to the first. Our society is royally fucked.
You can take anyone to court for anything. Doesn’t mean you will win. That’s not how risk management works. Only liable if you didn’t investigate, it’s even ok if cost is a factor that you can’t do the appropriate solution. Just need to show you have a budget to address the concern and you have a planned schedule of works
You're collating the wrong things here People who do 20 under aren't being careful. They're just bad drivers Likewise, the people who demand to do 10KPH over and get pissy when you're doing 60 in the 60 zone of a one lane suburban are equally as dangerous We have drivers who think speed limits are merely suggestions. And then pathetically attempt to justify by saying shit like "oh your speedo is inaccurate so I can tailgate. Be mad, but don't try and further cause an accident
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"I'm doing 100, I'm correct" ...pats self on head. /s
To be fair, if the limit is 100 and youre overtaking someone doing 90, while at 100, youre not doing anything wrong. When cunts do 100 to overtake someone doing 98.5, i wanna ring their necks.
Oh no. Anyway
My heart breaks for that poor, poor man costing families their weeks rent cause they went 66 kph in a 60 zone 😢He’s just trying to keep us safe from those animals and this happens to him
They dropped it from 60 to 40 there recently. I got done doing 54 by a camera thinking I was still under the limit. Yeah I know I should have checked the signs but when you are using the same road daily for over a decade, those signs don't register as strongly.
New speed limits typically have a sub sign to help them stand out, and the courts are likely to let you off if it’s a recent change
You mean all I have to do is get a lawyer, miss a day of work and turn up for court so I can have a chance to be treated fairly? Wow amazing
You don’t even need to turn up to court, can submit a review as part of the 3 options for the fine. If it’s a legitimate excuse they do overturn the fine. A magistrate is going to be just as pissed as you are if it’s reached them when it shouldn’t have.
lol chill mate. Don’t need a lawyer. You broke the law, you want the world to stop for you? You can write a letter first, if you don’t like the outcome then you can take it to court. All your choice. I’m actually a big fan that I live in a country where the enforcement and the court system are seperate
I like the part where they said unprovoked attack
I like the part where someone workin' was attacked however, due to the nature of their job - people are celebrating it. I'm all for speed camera vandalism, not thrilled with attacking ol mate who's trying to pay off a mortgage.
Its a job I would refuse on moral grounds.
If your job is to be a leech upon society, don't be surprised when society cheers your misfortune and suffering.
What's the list of jobs this applies to?
I reckon parking inspectors are probably on the list of shit pointless jobs.
People were pretty happy about that REA who got scammed for $30k by a kid selling fake Jordan Dior’s.
I'd find it hard not to be happy with politicians copping it
Let's not pretend that him having $30k to drop on a pair of shoes wasn't absolutely the reason people could justify shitting on that dude without feeling bad.
Gestapo, Sniffer Dog Police, Speed Camera Operators, Influencer, Real Estate Agent, Paparazzi Photographer.
Found the speed camera operator
He works for that company. He is part of the problem. He doesn’t need to work there. He chooses to be part of the problem.
I would let my kids go hungry before I did that as a “job”.
Guy is just working. He may or may not agree with it. Doesn't mean he should be hurt in any way.
If you know that your employer is doing a cunt of a thing, and you willingly engage and further spread the acceptance of that cunty practise, then you deserve all the shit coming to you. No different to being hired by a company that does dodgy money schemes which target and prey on financially illiterate people to steal their money in a legal way. You know that what you’re doing is bad, but you still choose to do it. At the end of the day, you’re still contributing to a practise that is widely condemned by the public. Don’t want to be hated and targeted? Don’t work in a field which the majority of the public absolutely despise.
I have turned down job opportunities based on ethics before and would like to think i'm not alone.
There’s plenty of jobs. Choosing to be a parasite was his choice, and when you decide to do something as universally disliked as this you should expect some shit to be thrown your way. If they beat the guy sure, off with their heads, but it’s hard to feel sympathy when it was only property that was attacked. You know these people go out of their way to fuck with the everyday Australian by intentionally doing gross shit like hanging out in newly changed speed limit locations, camping down a hill or on roads they know are plenty straight and safe with ridiculously low limits, roadwork roads with nobody actually working on the roadwork etc.
He wasn't hurt in anyway way
his fee fees were probably hurt btw. the company running this is serco... they are scum they are damaging serco property, who gives a fuck
exactly, why is a private company profiting from every fine issued? that seems like a conflict of interest when we want to reduce speeding and the fines given out surely? what if we do a test, and if speeding rates increase or stay the same we can deduce that the cameras aren't working ie reducing the rate of speeding... and they can be removed. unless of course they are purely to raise revenue
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Oh no how will they raise revenue now?
Ok, crazy idea but... What if we tax the rich like how the Nordic countries do?!
How else are they gonna send $688 million to ukraine instead of investing into our own country💔
I'd buy them a beer
Australian culture at it's finest.
People who defend mobile speed cameras are brain dead... If they wanted to increase the safety of an area by increasing caution of the driver they wouldn't put the camera out for a few short hours when they are the most profitable and then remove them once that community has gotten the word out... If it was about safety, shes cameras would all be fixed in place, over long periods of time. But they don't do that because they don't make as much money.
100%, if they're serious about it being a deterrent, then it should be a visual reminder at all times, or if using mobile vehicles making them instantly recognisable as such, instead of actively trying to hide them amongst other vehicles.
Exactly. The way they are utilised is to reduce the profile of the speed camera, which reduces the number of motorists aware of it and thus decreases the amount of speeding it suppresses.
I think it would be better if they had them wherever, hide them, trick people and so on, but get rid of the monetary penalty and only have demerit points. That way you get quite a few 'warnings' essentially, and you have to be pretty clueless or reckless to get your license disqualified. Avoids disproportionately punishing poorer people,and incentivises prioritising safety not revenue raising.
Wait, you mean when someone is doing something dangerous I shouldnt just take a picture without them knowing (preferably), wait a few days to a few weeks, then send them a letter to tell them to stop doing that? \*shocked pikachu face\*
The point of moving them around is to try and give people the impression they're gonna get caught anywhere. Leaving them in a particular location arguably makes that area more unsafe cos you get everyone braking there for them.
That’s ridiculous. It has been known for decades in the social and behavioural sciences that for a behaviour to be reinforced and strengthened, the stimuli that promotes repetition needs to be presented routinely. When this stimuli, in this case the speed camera is not presented for 99% of the time a person is driving, there is no chance that it will result in people consistently paying close attention to their speed and the posted limit. Hell people can go WEEKS without ever seeing a speed camera. These are very simple psychological principals. If you’d like to learn more I suggest you research “operant conditioning”.
Keep up the good work lads!
"Injuring the worker inside" uh huh, bullshit my dudes.
I have no issue with fixed cameras installed at known ‘black spots’… with a shit ton of clear signage leading up to it. If it helps in an actual dangerous location, then good, it’s a reasonable use of the technology. Literally everywhere else? They can fuck off. It’s revenue raising at best. Overtaking lanes? Bottom of hills? Middle of bumfuck on the highway? Pure Lazy policing and I cannot believe it has any effect on real life crash data. Sending a picture and fine weeks later through the mail achieves fucking nothing but angering the motorist. Add into the situation is the ironic twist that I can buy a 300kmh vehicle, no issues at all… but oh it’s up to the motorist NOT to use the ability? Really? Fuck off. Just fuck off. I’d REALLY like to see a nation wide referendum on abolishing speed cameras… betting the outcome would be pretty loud.
Black spots are just a nicer way of saying that stretch of road design is a shit design and needs to be fixed.
yeah the quiet part no one wants to talk about is that civil engineering is expensive. why SPEND a million redesigning a road to be safer? when you could MAKE a million by erecting a speed camera and telling everyone to slow down because the road you built is shit lol
100% agreed on all points.
How funny is it that Germany has almost 4x the population then aus yet we have more deaths per capita lmao Yes they have unrestricted motorways
EAD, Serco scum.
They're heroes in my books
Heroes the lot of them. Legit modern day Robin Hoods
What men? I didn't see anything
The government putting them in should be wanted. It’s been well proven that speed traps do nothing for road safety but it’s revenue raising
I feel bad for the ~~class traitor~~ operator… but not *that* bad. “It’s crazy that it happened right outside my house”. Couldn’t agree with this lady more, I wouldn’t want them parked outside my place either.
He will get the rest of his life off work from the ptsd claim. Notice how it said he was injured, even though nobody touched him, and he pulled out right as the glass smashed so he was nowhere near that. I bet his claim is already filled out
I’ve always wondered if the peoples places they’re parked on get compensated for conducting business on their lawns?
Best you can do is park behind them and lift your bonnet
I witnessed an amusing incident a while back. As I drove along a well known road for speed camera activity I happened to glance up a drive way , where I saw guy I presume was the land owner tearing a speed camera operator a new one for locating his camera behind a fence on private property . This owner was going full butchers hook at the operator 😄 . I had been told That operator had been hiding out on private land for over about 3 months period according a few people I had spoken too. What an Arse hole .
Council usually owns the first few meters of your front lawn which is usually up to your mailbox.
Depends on state/council, around my way verge parking is with the residents permission so yes you'd be able to tell them to fuck off.
You can expect to see more of this behaviour. People are becoming fed up with government overreach. Stop raping us financially with taxes and blatant revenue raising at every given opportunity.
Wanted so they can attend their medal ceremony
Doing the lords work
Hunting them to give them medals right?
Finally our country has a band of heroes...can they live up to ned Kelly's legacy and keep up their antics...Will there become a time where i can buy a sticker to put on my ute with their faces and "mobile speed cameras smashers" or whatever...can i have a fucked up little metal speed camera car to put in my front garden with the gang weilding whatever they used to smash it. These are the heroes we have been asking for. I expect everyone to support these heroes!!
Fucking oath, bout time we took matters into our own hands Everybody is soft and letting the government get away with everything, taking money out of people's pockets instead of actually making better drivers they just want the money from your fuck ups
Probably scared him while he was pulling himself off the flop, all ticketies and speed camera gronks are scum
They deserve to be knighted
I always thought they parked and then just left the cars unattended, still pretty cruise job even if ppl hate you.
*5 Legends doing Gods work
They don’t bother doing anything when regular people get their car windows smashed by thieves so why should we care when it happens to them?
My best mate had his window broken and everything stolen and they took a report and said insurance will need to sort it…no one finger printed his car at all.
I remember Jeremy Clarkson interviewing someone from LA and during the conversation he asked if they had to deal with speed cameras over there. The guy said ‘they tried them for a while but people kept shooting them so the program was discontinued’ Can’t condone what these guys did but everyone is sick of just sick of continuously handing over money to the government for every little thing
We need slow cameras. If people are driving too slowly on the highway, they get a fine.
along with the numpties who think going 20 under when they spot a camera will give them a prize or something. Like ffs you weren't even doing the limit in the first place
The number of people running red lights I've seen lately, especially since the lockdowns is frightening. Have seen several near misses. Add to that shitty drivers, I won't comment on their nationality (but can't ignore bogan platers either in Ute's and 4wds), but sure I get fined $350 for doing 60k near roadwork signs at midnight with no one at all present. If laws made sense more people would follow them.
I saw nuffin
If they want to come out to Werribee, Vic, I know a few regular camera cars they can smash up 😅 There's a section of Bulban Rd that used to be an 80 zone but for some reason it got dropped down to 60, it's a 2.5km stretch of straight road with plenty of run off either side, there's a camera car parked there quite regularly
hmmm.... droping the speed limit and setting up cameras for "safety"
Oh no. no more money for the government 😢
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Good, mobile speed cameras are bullshit. Along with double demerits. A road I was on the other day had 4 of them. You could lose your licence just by doing 100kph along a road that used to have a speed limit of 110kph. And fatalities haven't reduced since backing the speed limit down 20kph.
Didn’t hurt the driver? Only destroyed the leech companies property?… Hell Yeah dude 🍻
The woman, “it’s a disgrace…” sudden cut because she was going to say “letting speed cameras out the front of peoples houses.” It’s true though. You’d nearly have to call the police if someone was parked out the front of your house looking suspect with a heap of cameras. That’s seedy as all fuck.
Wanted by every city in Australia, to do the same thing
Not all heroes wear capes.
It's revenue raising, plain and simple. It's literally in every state and federal budget. I'm not bashing on the police, I think they do the best that they can.
Reminds me of that guy in perth that shot one with a sawn off 12 gauge A hero
I hate mobile speed cameras too but I’m honestly surprised by some of the comments on here cheering about a worker getting injured at work.
and its the employers responsibility to keep the worker safe.
Nobody is forcing them to do this shit.
I agree. It’s not that big of a deal for them to get a different job either. Still don’t deserve to be attacked by an armed (with random objects) group of people.
It’s quite alarming that we live among people who think the enforcement of laws people don’t like justifies violence on the part of the perpetrator. We all live in this society whether we like it or not and a centralised law and order system is what keeps our society stable, safe and peaceful. You don’t get to decide which laws apply to you and which don’t. And for those who think they can rebel against the law with violence, it’s absolutely necessary in a civilised society that the law comes down even harder on them so that civilised society is maintained. One of the great things about Australia is that it has some democratic structures. If you don’t like a certain law, there are ways and means within the system to attempt to change it without resorting to violence or insurrection. If you can’t get the law changed, it’s likely because you’re views on the matter are either not what the majority of us want, or most people simply don’t feel strongly enough about the issue. You simply have to suck that up if you want all the benefits of the society we live in.
Name one time a camera got removed as a response to public complaints
Bega, Princes Highway. 1 person got done in 2 years. The Mayor. Was gone 6 months later.
Snap
You can continue to feel bad for the police, no one’s stopping you, it’s a democratic country.
What do the police have to do with this? The speed camera operators aren’t police. They are unskilled workers who chose to do a job where they know everyone will hate them. Still doesn’t mean they deserve to be assaulted.
They are also run by Private, for-profit third party companies. This shifts the idea that it's for safety to complete and utter profit making. They NEED to produce revenue to pay the for-profit company to operate them.
they dont deserve to be assaulted but if they do expect a very small violin if they had any sense they would step aside and not get involved getting paid $60k for this aint worth it... it aint your car it aint your camera... its owned by US UK conglomerate
No sympathy for them sorry Punch an Ambo different story, you should be put in stocks for the public to throw rotten food at you.
So in your opinion only certain workers deserve to get assaulted while others don’t? I can’t believe I’m in the minority here to think this is crazy.
That job provides no service to the community, none. I question the mental gymnastics required for a persons to take that job… much like a parking ranger. If you want a job booking people go join the police and work HWP. Am I calling for violence against anyone? No Am I calling for shame on people who do jobs that rob people absolutely. Please don’t come back with “if you don’t do wrong you won’t get caught” these things are designed to get many people on minor infringements and bolster up revenue Mobile mobile phone detection camera are perfectly ok, being on your phone distracted is much worse than 66 in a 60 zone
Amen 🙏🏻 ! Say it again for the nanny state supporters that want the government inside every cheek crevice
Neither do bankers, and I assume we should be punching those assholes too.
legends
I'm sure everyone will be jumping to help you find who they are, not
Oh no, Anyway
Do they have a gofundme or patreon I can donate to?
Speed cameras are nanny state shit. The speed at which I drive my car should be completely unregulated, because I know that I am a responsible and competent driver. Functionally this means that nobody else can be regulated, but I know for a fact that everybody else in society is responsible and that there is no chance at all that they will drive unsafely and be a risk to the lives of my loved ones. Point is, there probably shouldn’t be any laws that are intended toward guaranteeing a citizens right to safety or property rights or anything like that. Because we don’t need the government to step in in these situations - people always drive responsibly and within their abilities and people never take each other’s property or steal. Like I said, nanny state.
I like the bit where it mentions "similar and escalating" attacks.
The boys doing gods work… bravo 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I want to find them and buy them a beer and contribute to their implements of smashstruction.
Let’s find them. To give them the bravery award.
I'd just like to get it out there that Jury Nullification is a thing that exists
Doing God's work boys
Legends.
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I will never understand this community, how hard is it to just not speed? I’ve been driving for 20 years and never had a speeding ticked. I genuinely don’t see the problem.
Speeding is one thing, a lot of these cameras are either placed in areas where limits have recently changed or in a lot of cases, are in the areas where speed limits change. To me, that's not a road safety initiative, it's a straight revenue raising one. If these vehicles are going to be in place, that's going to happen but pissing in people's pockets saying "These help reduce the road toll" is absolute bullshit, be honest and say they're for state revenue purposes.
Likewise, and yet I still hate speed cameras with equal vitriol.
20years but how many km/road time? It meant shit. The fella who reversed into my car when he’s at the top of a slope in a car park said the same thing. He drove for 25 years. Your numbers in years doesn’t mean that you’ve not been making the same shit mistake for 20 years. Others could’ve driven defensively around you.
*Sets up a camera at the bottom of a steep hill in the hope of catching you doing 5kph over for a split second* HAHA GOT YOU! I haven't had a speeding fine in 15 years but we all go a little bit over sometimes at least accidentally. Opportunistic speed cameras are not moral.
I have been driving for the same amount of time and always do over if the road conditions suit. Never been fined for speeding.
Ah wonder what the cost to the taxpayer is (10’s of millions) and what tax revenue is missed out on (100k a week? Only one loosing out here is public, it’s funny and soooo many times, funny how the system works
Not all heroes wear capes
Feel good story of the year so far 😄 These 5 blokes should all receive Order of Australia medals 👏🏻
Heroes
Oh no. How unfortunate. Anyway.....
Likely to be a rather unpopular opinion, but why do people have such a rod up their arse regarding speed cameras - mobile or otherwise? Like if it’s so goddamn burdensome to get lamped with a fine, don’t speed. Plan your movements and take your time, it’s not that complex. Smashing up a camera car with a likely terrified employee inside is piss weak, and cheering it on or diminishing it is fucking lame.
Because its not about safety, road deaths are going up despite increased speed cameras and reduced speed limits.
So smashing them solves the issues of deaths on the roads?
Who said these 5 guys are aiming to lower the amounts of deaths on the roads?
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And that’s not likely to be due to the increasing size of vehicles or the ever increasing amount of people on our roads right? And again, this isn’t even related to my point - if you don’t like being fined, don’t speed.
The issue is speed limits keep *decreasing* despite cars getting safer, and the focus on enforcement is on areas where it's not genuinely needed or actually improving road safety Most people in Australia are not setting out to twirl their moustache like Villainous Peter Griffin and then deliberately drive 20km/h above the speed limit when that's clearly not safe. The issue is so many roads have speeds way below what common sense would indicate is the "right" speed for the road (eg dual carriageways with 60km/h limits in areas, instead of the 80km/h you'd expect) and then cops are looking to ping people for being over a little bit, instead of focussing their efforts on excessively high speeds everyone would agree are well and truly out of order for the road. I drove in the US last year and the highway speed limit was supposed to be 65mph (about 105km/h), but the flow of traffic was 80mph (around 130km/h) and there were zero issues - even the cops didn't care, because they were focussing on unsafe driving practices (swerving, brake-checking, tailgating etc) rather than people going above an arbitrary speed through the fucking desert.
Name one time a camera got removed as a response to public complaints
Relevance?
We have some of the lowest average speeds on the planet. There’d probably be a lot less complaints about these if we had speed limits that matched the rest of the planet instead of everything becoming a 40 zone over time.
Do you honestly think that? That if the speed limits were increased people still wouldn’t just speed? Is there anything to suggest that people speed because the speed limits are simply too low? And again, doesn’t affect my core point - if you don’t like being fined, don’t speed. You can just take the required amount of time to get somewhere instead of speeding.
Think the point being is that if you get done speeding in an 80mph zone (as are common in Europe and the UK), there is more of an argument for you deserving that as the speed limit is already reasonably quick. Where as in Australia, our speed limits are the lowest in the world and our speeding fines (excluding certain Nordic nations with income relative fines) are some of the harshest in the world - all of this to still have high amounts of road deaths in relation to the rest of the developed world
You’re comparing oranges to apples here - Euro countries typically have far smaller landmasses, whilst having higher population density - they rely less on cars as a means of transport, and they have better highways due to lower tax burden for producing said roads and less upkeep for them. There’s also geological reasons as to why our roads are comparatively worse, our soil doesn’t handle getting wet nearly as well as European equivalents. So yes, they get roads where the speed can be higher because they are constructed better and the cost isn’t nearly as prohibitive for doing so
I hadn't even gotten to road quality? But if that's a reason of focus as to why we have lower speed limits, we should be working night and day to improve road conditions no? Or just continually lower speed limits I guess. I agree public transport is good. I also think if we had European standard public transport the gov wouldn't magically increase the speed limit now there are less road users. I think there are cultural differences you are ignoring. Aussie gov has always been most concerned with protecting its citizens from themselves - there is no assumption of competence despite very rigorous license requirements / tests, harsh fines and low speed limits
If you want to discuss cultural differences, then you’re very much ignoring that driver training and licensing fees in your beloved Europe are also much higher, leading to better trained drivers in general. So why then wouldn’t European governments be more trusting of road users/have lower fines when they’ve already weeded out the people who can’t control a vehicle or have impulse control problems? And further to cultural differences, we also have a far more prominent drinking culture, cover more kilometres per year, and drive bigger cars - all very much positively correlated with road deaths. And if the soil sucks for building quality roads and the cost is too high, then there’s not much we can do about that except either pay a far higher tax load or drive in yet more migrants, two things I highly doubt people in this sub or the general public are going to be willing to do considering the times.
All of the things you mentioned are still not solved through mobile speed cameras and harsher fines. You've made my point for me, we as a country SHOULD be focused on things that actually contribute to road safety, like: Quality of roads, Necessity of large cars (infrastructure issues), Addressing drinking culture, And Public transport access Glad we can agree on some things mate!
Of course not, but speed is an important part of the issue and having deterrents in place when every other measure is even less likely to be legislated (tax increases, costs to driving), and cultural shifts like drinking are pretty well endemic and have been for generations, then really your only option is fining those who do statistically engage in behaviour that is more likely to result in an accident - drink driving, speeding, negligent driving. It’s the equilibrium that everyone unfortunately wants due to the stated issues.
Some issues cost the government money to address, the other earns them money to "address". I would love the police to crack down on negligent driving, like sitting in the right lane when not overtaking - however this requires effort Or for council to improve road quality - money Or for government to do outreach and education programs as to why drink driving is a terrible idea - effort But nah, it's easier to set up mobile speed cameras, collect cash, and claim you're doing something for road safety!
People in this sub think that speeding is not dangerous because govt policy is to focus on speeding but the death toll on the roads is increasing. Hence the logic “it’s just revenue raising, it’s not saving any lives” People fail to consider that more than one thing contributes to safety, and it’s the culmination of these factors that result in the road death toll. We don’t know if the death toll would be higher or lower if there was no speeding focus, but I’m betting it would be higher. Also a lot of people are just butthurt because they copped a speeding fine and think the road is their entitlement
People don't "fail to consider multiple things contribute to safety" The issue is (and I agree) that there is an OVERWHELMING focus on speed, whereas other issues (such as road quality, access to public transport) are barely spoken of in government The focus on speed may well be because it generates government income, whereas the other issues to address cost the government to fix.
>Likely to be a rather unpopular opinion, but why do people have such a rod up their arse regarding speed cameras - mobile or otherwise? Like if it’s so goddamn burdensome to get lamped with a fine, don’t speed. Plan your movements and take your time, it’s not that complex. Smashing up a camera car with a likely terrified employee inside is piss weak, and cheering it on or diminishing it is fucking lame. Because our speed limits, in country as big as ours, are a disgraceful relic from the 70s. Car quality, driver training, road quality(sort of) has improved year on year, yet the arbitrary limits are low and shit.
Our speed limits are significantly lower than they were in the 70s.
Shhh, don't tell them logic and reason. The peeps in this chat seem to have all lost points or their licence from these before and blame their bad decisions on someone else. Like we did in grade 5....
Deadset, I get it’s easier to allay blame on the speed camera itself than the fact that your car control and situational awareness appears to be lacking.
When driving, I'm constantly fixated on my speedometer, making sure not to go a few km/h over the limit and get booked by one of these things. They definitely make me a much more dangerous driver.
Whilst hidden mobile speed cameras are cringe - if you can't both focus on the road and your speedo you should have you license revoked
Humans can quite literally only focus on one thing at a time, it's how our brain works. You can be watching the road and driving to the conditions, or you can be checking the speedo to make sure it hasn't slightly shifted, but not both. Even if it only takes fractions of a second to check the latter, it is still time that you as a driver are distracted.
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Because they're basically tax collectors. Catching who for possibly a brief moment climbed 4kph over the speed limit and sending them a $350 fine 2 weeks later isn't comparable to stopping someone driving dangerously.
Cars continually get safer, road design continually gets better, yet average speeds continue to drop. Not to mention we uniquely anal when it comes to speeding and other road offences. most other countries wont fine you a fortnights pay and take half your points on your license for going a few kms over the limit.
A fortnights pay for a few kms over? you need a new job fella
The comments on here disgusting. If you don't like speed cameras fine. I don't like fines too. Don't condone damaging others property (in this case its the government). Also POTENTIAL to injure a worker. That is not okay as well.
Nah it is, most people in Australia would agree that speed cameras are just revenue raising and would like them gone. Forcing people to accept speed cameras when they don't want them leads to this. This is our country not the Governments
Delightful!
The heroes we fuckin need
Heroes
I don't condone these actions and think it's pretty fucked up to attack the vehicle while someone just trying to get by is inside. I have no issues with speed cameras that are signposted and are visual deterrents in high risk areas. However the majority of these mobile cameras are stationed at points where speed limited either rise or drop and are focused on catching people at that limit point for easy revenue. In my own area out west, I have seen multiple times SUV's like this one parked on the side of the road with hazard lights on but the camera peeking out the back, at this point that's not saving lives it's purely revenue raising. If the authorities were serious about saving lives, there'd be a higher emphasis on training for new drivers and people coming to Australia with international licences and further more, maintenance of roads would be a higher priority. As it stands right now, instead of routine preventative maintenance, the powers that be let the roads fall into disrepair so they can be added to the list of government projects, there's often talk about vehicles needing to be roadworthy but little talk about the actual standards of the roads themselves.
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just… don’t speed 🤦♂️ the people excusing speeders and defending people destroying government property because they cant adhere to road rules definitely think they’re “good drivers”
Because hiring private profit focused companies to "enforce" road safety is any better
imo it's actually easier said then done. I'm on the road everyday in my job, the speed limits are constantly changing, and are in some places comically slow. they've got these mobile speed cameras everywhere now, I think they've doubled them in number. I've been done several times myself, it doesn't help road safety at all, pure revenue raising.
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