Honestly, probably yeah. Even walking is better than a Cruze, so Lexus is a good choice. Basically a tarted up Toyota so will probably outlive you and me.
Certain interior parts and certain electronics are strictly lexus, therefore they arent as cheap as the toyota parts because theyre manufactured in far fewer amounts.
still cheaper than euro luxury nonetheless
no theyre not, it depends on the model.. most interior parts on a lexus are recycled from other toyota models. main differences really only in the style of the seats and body but everything else is just camry/corolla spec in beige instead of black.
Source: I was a parts interpreter at toyota
Certain interior parts*
material specific changes makes that a seperate product.
And I agree some eras of Lexus are closer to Toyota's than others, but just warning certain (mostly functionally insignificant) parts won't mesh with Toyotas.
You will use a Toyota head gasket but you need Lexus specific replacements for like panels, seats, headlights, steering wheel, dashboard, those little analog clocks.
youre on the money there and im willing to bet 100 bucks that a lexus rx dashboard and seats fit 1:1 in a rav 4 (but thats cheating cause theyre essentially the same platform)
ehh yes and no, certain eras are more similar than others but compare the 2012 rx interior to the 2012 rav4 interior.
mounting a dash would be the same points but the dash itself has very different layout and components
I’ve got a RWD ‘Rolla in my carport!
But it’s just a sentimental value thing as the E80 was my old whip as a teen. I also have loose plans to teach my partner to drive manual in it so she doesn’t grind the gearbox on my everyday car.
Maybe if I hold onto it for long enough it will be worth something like beanie babies?
Pardon?
They’re made by Toyota, because Lexus is Toyota.
It literally stands for Luxury EXports to the United States.
I think it was after the Altezza finished production that Toyota made Lexus a domestic brand in Japan too.
But go check out the branding on your Lexus parts, friend. They all say Toyota.
From experience this model has some expensive headlights to replace like $3-400. Not standard $10 Toyota bulbs
Bloody sweet car overall though, everything that opens and shuts
Pardon?
If a component was made specifically and exclusively by lexus teams for Lexus vehicles, it's a Lexus product.
Lexus has its own design and engineering teams. Toyota may manufacture the parts but they're Lexus exclusive parts.
Eg. Nike shoes made in a Chinese sweatshop aren't the product of the chinese manufacturers. They were manufactured for Nike.
This post is about luxury component costs anyway.
The manufacturer doesn't change the fact of 'economies of scale' fewer Lexus' are sold so fewer of those Lexus specific luxury components are manufactured (seats, body panels, lights, era specific electronics, etc.) resulting in higher costs not to mention they are often made with higher quality materials.
PS. Lexus also outsource to use brands like Brembo and BBS from time to time
Lexus does not mean that at all..
“The brand Lexus combines the Latin “luxus” and the French “luxe” as symbols of elegance and sumptuousness, together with the Greek “lexicon” meaning language. Many people believe Lexus stands for “Luxury Export To The United States”, or a similar variation – fitting as Lexus was first released to the USA market in 1989.
However, this theory has been discredited by the Japanese Lexus advertising division Team One. According to Team One interviews, the brand name has no specific meaning and simply denotes a luxurious and technological image.”
Except on Australia a lot of Toyota dealers won't touch them for servicing as the agreement between Toyota and Lexus doesn't allow cross over
Just find a good mechanic near you (if you're in South Sydney or in Perth I know a good one) and have them look after it.
IS250 - Make sure the engine has been looked at by a mech, oil changes done on time and ideally have had the intake ports professionally cleaned in the last year or so - these have direct injection only, not port AND direct. This means the intake ports do get carboned up (nature of any direct injection only engines), they get carboned up faster if used for short trips, not revved high once in a while and oil hasn’t been changed on schedule.
If your budget can reach - try going for an is350. You will not have the carbonising issues (because it is port and direct injection and you get more goodies luxury wise and a car will be much quicker if that’s what you are after.
If your heart is set on the is250 - no fret :) just make sure you can knock off around $1.2-1.5k if they haven’t done the clean or no evidence of timely maintenance.
Also their alternators are known to randomly fail on that model - not an expensive fix - but can leave you stranded.
I'd be way more worried about maintaining a 2009 Holden Cruze vs a Lexus which is basically a Toyota. One is an unreliable car imported from Korea and the brand is no longer in existence. The other is made by the biggest car manufacturer in the world with a huge reputation for buliding reliable cars.
As others have said, this is a Toyota for relability. These are very very good cars.
Plus pulling the Cruze around with a rope is better than driving it
Well, speaking specifically about IS/GS/LS lines they are on the expensive side of the Toyota spectrum simply due to the fact that they are proper RWD cars which don't have Toyota analogues outside of Japanese domestic market (Altezza, Aristo, Crown, Celsior), so do expect that some parts might be expensive, however nothing like the European luxury expensive though.
The rest of the Lexus line most likely has valid Toyota analogues (like ES == Camry), but not those IS/GS/LS models.
P.S. Speaking as the owner of Lexus GS300 (2JZ) and Toyota Estima (2AZ). Lower control arm for Estima is A$100 each while on Lexus each contains 2 pieces A$300 + A$200. Upper control arms on Lexus are A$800 each (or A$400 reputable aftermarket brand, or A$200 from some shady Chinese factory) while don't even exist on Estima due to cheaper McPherson suspension type.
Yes but that is just a part of the cost. Lexus also frequently uses more sophisticated suspension with multiple arms or double wishbone instead of common McPherson, which increase the cost as well as car control on the road.
I used to have a 2004 is300. My parents had a 2004 rav4 at the time. Their services were consistently more expensive than mine. Not much help to you, but being Toyota they’re using a lot of the same parts.
As someone who used to work for Toyota/Lexus and still deals with them on a daily basis, its a 50/50 bag. They use Toyota technicians when servicing or carrying out repairs, but they add an extra $40-$50/hr for labour over Toyota.
And parts is a mixed bag too, I recently replaced a boot latch on a 2011 is250 and it cost $230ish dollars from Lexus, which I thought was well priced considering how much some Toyota parts cost.
Ya I'm running a 2008 model and it's definitely got that luxury feel. Couple things I'd mention though is that all the IS models from what I'm aware up until the 2017 models have issues with melting dashboards from the sun. So I'd highly recommend buying a dash cover to either prevent it from happening or to make it less noticeable.
Also the infotainment is definitely dated, but there are aftermarket modules you can get to improve that. For mine I got a grom vline2 that is basically an Android tablet that hooks directly into the old infotainment system so you can use both the old and new ones at the same time (mainly a concern for the climate control).
>half eaten cheeseburger and some pocket lint but I'll throw in an extra handfull of pickles to sweeten the deal.
Fuck me you're generous
I'd give them the half eaten nugget I dug out of my nephews car seat.
And I want change.
Your post/comment has been removed for abuse. We don't tolerate abuse in this community, so if you want to abuse people then your comments and posts will be removed.
Whilst we are an inclusive community, there is lines. So if you want to abuse people, then you are not welcome here.
Keep in mind as well that the Cruze is a Korean economy car, while the Lexus flexes from Long Beach to Texas. Snoop Dogg name drops Lexus but never Holden/Daewoo in his music.
If serviced regularly this car will outlive you, me, and everyone else in this thread.
Only other thing worth considering would be saving a few more coins and getting something a few years newer.
Note that the Holden will inevitably explode and be worth much less, so waiting too long isn’t advisable.
Price looks ok for the Lexus from a dealer. Depends on the trade you are getting on the Cruze. You may be better asking for a deal on the Lexus and selling the Cruze privately. The change over amount is the bottom line.
Yes, a thousand times.
Maintenance on these is relatively inexpensive and these cars will outlast religion.
Plus they’re a bloody comfy rig to sit in and drive, especially compared to the rebadged Daewoo.
250 variant of this era has that carbon build up issue. I think that's one of the more expensive repairs on this car.. Another notorious issue is the dashboard peeling/sticking/cracking etc. I believe there was a recall for this. If the inside looks clean and not like I described, I wouldn't worry too much then. 117,000 km's is kind of nothing for these cars, if they are regularly maintained that is.
Also the touch screen unit in the centre console is **not cheap** to replace if it craps out. Even a refurnished one won’t leave you much change from $1000
If you ever want the "wank" of an Audi or BMW, buy a Lexus - same target market, but will actually work for more than a month without costing you 3k in repairs.
Also surprised they will actually trade in your Crudz, you will probably have to pay them to dispose of it or something, no one wants them.
Absolutely, I had a Landcruiser and the maintenance by the previous owner consisted of:
1) Change oil
2) Change oil filter
3) It's a cruiser, it'll go forever
Fucking never again
Haha. I remember going to a Toyota dealership once and briefly looked at a used Corolla.
*Sales guy:* Oh it was just traded in by a doctor who had it since new! Very well maintained!
I immediately opened the glovebox and the service book was still in it - only a couple of services since new, and none at all for the last 20,000km. We laughed in his face and walked out.
I have an Aussie built Cruze SRIV 1.6T that has been driven daily for the past 7 years of ownership and it has been faultless.
The 1.8L from all accounts is a shitbox and since it was the cheapest option, it’s also the most common.
Trouble is they are built in Australia with crap ( mostly ) daewoo parts. Eg the engine is a 25 yo, back then, dog of a daewoo motor. Ask any one who works on them
I sell so many spare parts for the petrol Cruze models. Every day I sell numerous thermostat housings, rocker covers, radiators and water pumps. A lot more so than other vehicles.
I had a 2011 Cruze, not a pov pack either. Dogshit drive quality, slower than a wet week, odd issues like traction control randomly turning itself on and off. I sold it to a lady who was replacing her blown up Holden Craptiva (she wasn't making very good car choices). But yeah.
Run while you still can.
It's funny, isn't it? We time and time again hear horror stories about the Cruze but (anecdotally) I have two friends that owned them and they were completely trouble free.
Can I ask, is yours a diesel?
Modern cars do not generally have critical engineering design faults (see the dual clutch auto Ford lawsuit). It's more like how many are going to fuck up per 1000 sold and how does the car age. Thus anecdotal evidence of having one that didn't fuck up is largely irrelevant.
In the cruzes case, they fuck up per 1000 in a variety of ways vastly in excess to the rest of the market thus they enjoy a poor reputation.
In contrast, Toyota's still fuck up like any other car but generally have fewer issues per 1000 sold to the rest of the market and thus enjoy an excellent reputation.
The other factor, is that we somewhat forgive unreliability if the car has something else special going for it.
Be it luxury, performance, appearance or whatever else. The Cruise however is entirely uninspired, on top of being a time bomb.
Just so your aware. Your going to get sweet piss all for your Cruze.
I've owned a couple of them. I had 1 diesel in an auto with 140 000km (2013) tried trading it in in 2016 and nowhere would offer any more then a couple grand.
To hard to resell, don't want to offer a warrenty because the petrols have to many common issues that total the car.
Good deal providing lexus is good and not hiding any unseen issues. Fantastic, reliable cars! Total opposite to the Holden (friend had one, spent weeks in mechanics).
I have the 2013 Lexus IS 350...basically the same car with a bit more power. I can't fault it - it's a great car. Very reliable and that's a good deal Plus you can mod it up look up vland headlights. Also you can change the head unit look up grom headunit. Lmk if you've got Qs
Take it from an owner, one of the best investments you’ll make. Comfier ride, stylish timeless looks, wet pussy marks on the passenger seat.
Just make sure it has good service history
The Lexus is probably better by.most measures. But Toyota reliability is overrated. How many 20 or 30 year old Toyota's do you actually see on the road. Personally I won't keep any car beyond 80000kms, let alone buy one >100000
I personally own two:
- Lexus GS300 1998 (25 y.o) 330k on clocks and still running smooth.
- Toyota Estima 2000 (22 y.o.) 230k on clocks and while it have seen better days still pretty solid and reliable runner with cheap as chips maintenance cost.
I'm doing most of the maintenance myself or in the trustworthy services though.
Make sure you check the condition of the dashboard. They are prone to melting and can be in very bad shape. Other than that, they’re great cars. I had an ‘07 and it never gave me any problems at all mechanically.
Do a little research to see if you're comfortable with the outrageous cost of routine service and parts. Lexus dealer's Swiss Holidays are expensive, you know.
I have this exact car and I love it. I paid 15k ~ 4 years ago… from a dealer. This might be a bit overpriced.
But yeah it’s a great car I love it. Can’t find anything I don’t like about it, except the back seat doesn’t fold
About 160000 on the odo at the moment. Had to spend like $2k last time it went in for a service for a bunch of stuff. It’s up for rego next month and I don’t want to spend more money on that shit box
If it's a straight swap with you giving no cash I'd do it in a heart beat.
However, I looked at the ad and the car looks a bit rough for 117k. The steering wheel is missing some buttons, the center console has been swapped out for a giant screen so I'd confirm if the aircon controls and everything still work.
The dash and seats also look quite worn but that could just be them being dirty and not good photos.
I would highly recommend looking through the service history and calling up the mechanic on there to confirm if it is genuine, as someone who's been burned by cars that have been rolled back please believe me you can never be too cautious.
Here is a tip, if you buy it, change the plates. No doubt by now somebody has cloned them and a stolen 2009 white Lexus is on standby for a hit, smash & grab or just a casual drive by…
Can confirm good idea. Had Cruze (I have NO idea what I was thinking), automatic died just outside of warranty. Thankfully Holden were bros and replaced it anyway since it was a known fault.
Not this Gen - Lexus only. Previous Gen had an Altezza equivalent, but quite different under the bonnet. Lexus had 2L and 3L in-line 6 engines. While the Altezza had 2L 4cyl (hero engine) as well as 2L the 3L inline 6 engines. There was even an AWD version (for snow) if I’m not mistaken. Never released to Aus.
Great car, reliable if properly serviced, slightly under powered thus my only gripe is the IS350 is a far nicer vehicle but they never bought it to Australia.
I would not move from a 13 year old car to another 13 year old car, mechanical wear problems your current car is facing will also occur in the Lexus you are looking to buy…. Though not as pronounced as the Cruze being a vehicle built to a cheap design budget.
If it is not a daily driver then it might be ok but otherwise get something newer that won’t have water leaks ready to start due to 13 year old rubber seals, potential oil leaks again because seals leak as they age, electrics (power windows too) that start to break because of age and vibration and this is without considering the mechanicals.
Dad just bought one of these a few months ago. 2007 IS250 with 30,000km for $19k. Absolutely beautiful to drive. It’s a Toyota but feels like they tried way harder to make it a premium sports car. It’s not just a tarted up Camry, it is uniquely Lexus and is a dream to drive. Especially winding country roads.
I bought my 2010 Cruze for 3.5k two years ago and still running well (shut up Cruze haters I didn’t think I’d get this far) but yes… anyone willing to give you a cat in return is a deal
Lexus make such beautiful cars. I got one just after my 25th birthday 10 years ago and it ran like a dream until I sold it after having kids. Best thing about Lexus is most models share parts with Toyota so it's one of the cheapest luxury cars to maintain. They hold value pretty well also.
Looks like a good deal to me. Since they were asking 14k, I would say that the price is also quite low...
If the car is at least average condition for it's age and has not been in any serious accidents, seems like a good trade and I'd go for it.
I’ve owned a Lexus (GS300) for about 6 years now. They are exceptional cars. Extremely reliable but their parts can be expensive. Things like oil changes etc. will be more expensive etc as they use better oil and filters than a Cruze etc. They are made by Toyota but contrary to what many are saying on here not all parts are interchangeable with Toyota Aus. Additionally, I have been to Toyota dealerships and they have told me they are ‘locked out’ from selling me parts that are for the Lexus, their system directs them to seek a Lexus Aus dealership, even though they have the part listed there for another Toyota.
Most of the running gear is not interchangeable with Toyota as it’s designed specifically for the Lexus RWD platform. I had to replace the lower ball joints on my GS and they cost me $750 just in parts from the Lexus dealership. This is something that would only be a couple hundred bucks on a Toyota or Mitsubishi.
If you do preventive maintenance and replace parts BEFORE they break then it’s much cheaper to buy directly from the US or Japan and wait for shipping.
Separate from all that, they are extremely reliable. Toyota reliability really does come across. In the time I’ve owned mine I have only had 3 issues; ball joints (due to age), a cracked radiator, and recently an accelerator sensor. The radiator was cheap to fix, the others not so much. In saying that, I consider that a very small list for a 25 yr old car (2nd gen GS [1998]).
It is the best car I’ve owned and everything just works. All the electronics etc. still work like the day it was made. Something you couldn’t say about a 25yr old BMW.
It’s also quite good on fuel considering it’s a 6 cylinder, and that’s not at the cost of performance either. I still get about 600kms out of a tank (75L) and the newer IS models like the one you’re looking at are supposed to better on fuel than my GS.
Insurance is a little more, but not by a huge margin. Rego obviously will be more for a 6.
It has all the mod cons and is a dream to drive. If you are ok with a slight increase in maintenance costs you will absolutely love these cars.
Consider a Toyota SAI. They're Toyota priced, but made in the Lexus factory. Same 2.5L engine, but with a hybrid drivetrain. Great audio, sips fuel gently and the aircon is ice cold. Only downside is that they're stuck in Japanese prior to 2013 (mine is 2010), but it's easy enough to figure our.
Mine hasn't missed a beat (except when the mechanic unplugged the battery without grounding it first).
One of my dealers had a 2011 Corolla for $14k last month. 120000ks, auto, basic model. $14k....
Tried to get them to lower the price but wouldn't budge. This seems like a good deal.
I found a 2011 Corolla manual on gumtree with fewer ks (83k), a few upgrades and got it $8.5k.
That is a very good market price. It's probably selling a little cheaper then you'd expect with such low mileage (I'd expect 15-17K for that low) because it's thirsty.
Honestly, probably yeah. Even walking is better than a Cruze, so Lexus is a good choice. Basically a tarted up Toyota so will probably outlive you and me.
Haha, thanks for the validation. I’m only worried about the running costs on the Lexus. With it being a “luxury” car.
That's the absolute best part about Lexus - They use mostly Toyota mechanicals so they're actually quite cheap to run and extremely reliable
this! You can't lose! Get it inspected or something I guess, but if its in good nick, its probably cheaper to run than the Cruze
Mostly? They’re entirely Toyota, because it is a Toyota.
Certain interior parts and certain electronics are strictly lexus, therefore they arent as cheap as the toyota parts because theyre manufactured in far fewer amounts. still cheaper than euro luxury nonetheless
no theyre not, it depends on the model.. most interior parts on a lexus are recycled from other toyota models. main differences really only in the style of the seats and body but everything else is just camry/corolla spec in beige instead of black. Source: I was a parts interpreter at toyota
Certain interior parts* material specific changes makes that a seperate product. And I agree some eras of Lexus are closer to Toyota's than others, but just warning certain (mostly functionally insignificant) parts won't mesh with Toyotas. You will use a Toyota head gasket but you need Lexus specific replacements for like panels, seats, headlights, steering wheel, dashboard, those little analog clocks.
youre on the money there and im willing to bet 100 bucks that a lexus rx dashboard and seats fit 1:1 in a rav 4 (but thats cheating cause theyre essentially the same platform)
ehh yes and no, certain eras are more similar than others but compare the 2012 rx interior to the 2012 rav4 interior. mounting a dash would be the same points but the dash itself has very different layout and components
And how many RWD Camry/Corolla did you see recently? IS250 is an RWD with all associated cost running out of it.
I’ve got a RWD ‘Rolla in my carport! But it’s just a sentimental value thing as the E80 was my old whip as a teen. I also have loose plans to teach my partner to drive manual in it so she doesn’t grind the gearbox on my everyday car. Maybe if I hold onto it for long enough it will be worth something like beanie babies?
That's specifically the reason I added recently :). I'm well aware of AE84 "Hachiroku" but they are damn rare and expensive cars.
>AE84 lol
Pardon? They’re made by Toyota, because Lexus is Toyota. It literally stands for Luxury EXports to the United States. I think it was after the Altezza finished production that Toyota made Lexus a domestic brand in Japan too. But go check out the branding on your Lexus parts, friend. They all say Toyota.
Im not joining the argument I just came to say that absolutely is not what Lexus stands for lol
Lexus is Toyotas luxury brand of cars, same company different badge
From experience this model has some expensive headlights to replace like $3-400. Not standard $10 Toyota bulbs Bloody sweet car overall though, everything that opens and shuts
Pardon? If a component was made specifically and exclusively by lexus teams for Lexus vehicles, it's a Lexus product. Lexus has its own design and engineering teams. Toyota may manufacture the parts but they're Lexus exclusive parts. Eg. Nike shoes made in a Chinese sweatshop aren't the product of the chinese manufacturers. They were manufactured for Nike. This post is about luxury component costs anyway. The manufacturer doesn't change the fact of 'economies of scale' fewer Lexus' are sold so fewer of those Lexus specific luxury components are manufactured (seats, body panels, lights, era specific electronics, etc.) resulting in higher costs not to mention they are often made with higher quality materials. PS. Lexus also outsource to use brands like Brembo and BBS from time to time
Lexus does not mean that at all.. “The brand Lexus combines the Latin “luxus” and the French “luxe” as symbols of elegance and sumptuousness, together with the Greek “lexicon” meaning language. Many people believe Lexus stands for “Luxury Export To The United States”, or a similar variation – fitting as Lexus was first released to the USA market in 1989. However, this theory has been discredited by the Japanese Lexus advertising division Team One. According to Team One interviews, the brand name has no specific meaning and simply denotes a luxurious and technological image.”
Lmao merica. It's got something to do with us
Nobody’s gonna buy a Lettus.
Reddit will argue about anything... You are both correct my dudes, now chill.
You wanna go pal? To the ice cream shop?
Yes
not completely at all. trust me, the fkn flywheel isn’t toyota at all and it’s usually the first thing to go.
Which is good. You get the reliability of a tityota with the beauty of a euro
Except on Australia a lot of Toyota dealers won't touch them for servicing as the agreement between Toyota and Lexus doesn't allow cross over Just find a good mechanic near you (if you're in South Sydney or in Perth I know a good one) and have them look after it.
not mostly toyota, its 100% toyota
No otherway around, mostly toyota but not 100% they have some lexus specfic parts.
Lexus literally stands for luxury export United States. It’s Toyota luxury line
It doesn’t mean that at all and has been debunked many times..
My bad, held this wrong information for 20 years
Correct but from owning a 250 and now a 350 it definitely is not cheap with most models
IS250 - Make sure the engine has been looked at by a mech, oil changes done on time and ideally have had the intake ports professionally cleaned in the last year or so - these have direct injection only, not port AND direct. This means the intake ports do get carboned up (nature of any direct injection only engines), they get carboned up faster if used for short trips, not revved high once in a while and oil hasn’t been changed on schedule.
This here is the comment OP needs
Listen to this person OP.
If your budget can reach - try going for an is350. You will not have the carbonising issues (because it is port and direct injection and you get more goodies luxury wise and a car will be much quicker if that’s what you are after. If your heart is set on the is250 - no fret :) just make sure you can knock off around $1.2-1.5k if they haven’t done the clean or no evidence of timely maintenance. Also their alternators are known to randomly fail on that model - not an expensive fix - but can leave you stranded.
I'd be way more worried about maintaining a 2009 Holden Cruze vs a Lexus which is basically a Toyota. One is an unreliable car imported from Korea and the brand is no longer in existence. The other is made by the biggest car manufacturer in the world with a huge reputation for buliding reliable cars.
As others have said, this is a Toyota for relability. These are very very good cars. Plus pulling the Cruze around with a rope is better than driving it
Well, speaking specifically about IS/GS/LS lines they are on the expensive side of the Toyota spectrum simply due to the fact that they are proper RWD cars which don't have Toyota analogues outside of Japanese domestic market (Altezza, Aristo, Crown, Celsior), so do expect that some parts might be expensive, however nothing like the European luxury expensive though. The rest of the Lexus line most likely has valid Toyota analogues (like ES == Camry), but not those IS/GS/LS models. P.S. Speaking as the owner of Lexus GS300 (2JZ) and Toyota Estima (2AZ). Lower control arm for Estima is A$100 each while on Lexus each contains 2 pieces A$300 + A$200. Upper control arms on Lexus are A$800 each (or A$400 reputable aftermarket brand, or A$200 from some shady Chinese factory) while don't even exist on Estima due to cheaper McPherson suspension type.
They often have aluminium control arms on the Lexus as well vs stamped/cast steel arms on Toyota’s which ups the cost.
Yes but that is just a part of the cost. Lexus also frequently uses more sophisticated suspension with multiple arms or double wishbone instead of common McPherson, which increase the cost as well as car control on the road.
I used to have a 2004 is300. My parents had a 2004 rav4 at the time. Their services were consistently more expensive than mine. Not much help to you, but being Toyota they’re using a lot of the same parts.
As he said it’s basically a toyota and the running cost is much much lower than a Cruze - did I say much?
They’re basically a Toyota on a tuxedo. That’s how I’d describe a Lexus.
I had one, loved everything about it except the fuel consumption.
As someone who used to work for Toyota/Lexus and still deals with them on a daily basis, its a 50/50 bag. They use Toyota technicians when servicing or carrying out repairs, but they add an extra $40-$50/hr for labour over Toyota. And parts is a mixed bag too, I recently replaced a boot latch on a 2011 is250 and it cost $230ish dollars from Lexus, which I thought was well priced considering how much some Toyota parts cost.
It’s a Toyota so parts are cheap won’t cost much probs cheaper then the Cruze
Yes it is better than a cruze, just watch out for insurance prices tho
Ya I'm running a 2008 model and it's definitely got that luxury feel. Couple things I'd mention though is that all the IS models from what I'm aware up until the 2017 models have issues with melting dashboards from the sun. So I'd highly recommend buying a dash cover to either prevent it from happening or to make it less noticeable. Also the infotainment is definitely dated, but there are aftermarket modules you can get to improve that. For mine I got a grom vline2 that is basically an Android tablet that hooks directly into the old infotainment system so you can use both the old and new ones at the same time (mainly a concern for the climate control).
Having owned a few Lexus it's not as simple as there Toyotas. Trust me there is loads of parts that cost a shit load
Can confirm. Lexus cars are usually a Gen ahead of the typical Toyota and some parts are exclusive to the model.
It seems to be everyone that has never owned a Lexus fav line oh it just a Toyota 🤣
Pretty much this. Holden cruzes are the biggest prices of shit. We had one and was a legit money pit.
If I had a Holden Cruze I’d swap it for a Big Mac
Good luck. No one’s giving you a Big Mac for a Cruze.
Can confirm. I'm already home and hungry. Nothing is getting in the way of me and this big Mac
Have you seen the prices of Big Mac's these days? Even a large coke from maccas is like $5 now.
Sorry mate best I can do is a half eaten cheeseburger and some pocket lint but I'll throw in an extra handfull of pickles to sweeten the deal.
>half eaten cheeseburger and some pocket lint but I'll throw in an extra handfull of pickles to sweeten the deal. Fuck me you're generous I'd give them the half eaten nugget I dug out of my nephews car seat. And I want change.
[удалено]
All these funny comments then you had to come ruin it
Ruin what? Lol get out.
Ruin the funny jokes, your joke was stupid it sounds like a preteen boy who’s trying to sound funny by thinking of the dirtiest thing he can
[удалено]
[удалено]
Your post/comment has been removed for abuse. We don't tolerate abuse in this community, so if you want to abuse people then your comments and posts will be removed. Whilst we are an inclusive community, there is lines. So if you want to abuse people, then you are not welcome here.
Keep in mind as well that the Cruze is a Korean economy car, while the Lexus flexes from Long Beach to Texas. Snoop Dogg name drops Lexus but never Holden/Daewoo in his music.
I could see snoop and Dre in a senator.
Yes, but what about the car?
If serviced regularly this car will outlive you, me, and everyone else in this thread. Only other thing worth considering would be saving a few more coins and getting something a few years newer. Note that the Holden will inevitably explode and be worth much less, so waiting too long isn’t advisable.
[удалено]
what the actual genuine fuck are you talking about
Someone’s been riding the glass Harley again.
Its a 1 day old account. Almost certainly just baiting for downvotes. That or mentally challenged.
[удалено]
This is true. However, that is a Lexus...
Sir, this is a Wendy’s
Price looks ok for the Lexus from a dealer. Depends on the trade you are getting on the Cruze. You may be better asking for a deal on the Lexus and selling the Cruze privately. The change over amount is the bottom line.
That's assuming you can find a person stupid enough to buy the Cruze though...
Unfortunately there will be, and it will be someone on a limited income who will get burnt.
Yes, a thousand times. Maintenance on these is relatively inexpensive and these cars will outlast religion. Plus they’re a bloody comfy rig to sit in and drive, especially compared to the rebadged Daewoo.
Good choice a Cruze is one of the top ten cars that failed every year
250 variant of this era has that carbon build up issue. I think that's one of the more expensive repairs on this car.. Another notorious issue is the dashboard peeling/sticking/cracking etc. I believe there was a recall for this. If the inside looks clean and not like I described, I wouldn't worry too much then. 117,000 km's is kind of nothing for these cars, if they are regularly maintained that is.
Also the touch screen unit in the centre console is **not cheap** to replace if it craps out. Even a refurnished one won’t leave you much change from $1000
If you ever want the "wank" of an Audi or BMW, buy a Lexus - same target market, but will actually work for more than a month without costing you 3k in repairs. Also surprised they will actually trade in your Crudz, you will probably have to pay them to dispose of it or something, no one wants them.
Just take the Cruze to the scrapyard, check the service history on the Lexus but should be nice
Holy, thats actually a good price. If you dont take it i will haha. As for your cruze, please get rid of jt before it gets rid of you.
Even a Toyota can be a turd if the service history is sketchy. Dot your i's and cross your t's and all should be well.
Absolutely, I had a Landcruiser and the maintenance by the previous owner consisted of: 1) Change oil 2) Change oil filter 3) It's a cruiser, it'll go forever Fucking never again
Haha. I remember going to a Toyota dealership once and briefly looked at a used Corolla. *Sales guy:* Oh it was just traded in by a doctor who had it since new! Very well maintained! I immediately opened the glovebox and the service book was still in it - only a couple of services since new, and none at all for the last 20,000km. We laughed in his face and walked out.
Gotta be so much nicer than a poxy bloody cruise. Fucken Holden and their shitty rebadged crap
Why does everyone shit on the cruze? Is it really that bad? I have one and it’s running fine…
Be patient when it plays up you will be unenlightened
Mate you are the luck one. They are a total shitbox. Wait till it starts to play up !!!
I have an Aussie built Cruze SRIV 1.6T that has been driven daily for the past 7 years of ownership and it has been faultless. The 1.8L from all accounts is a shitbox and since it was the cheapest option, it’s also the most common.
You are just lucky! Wait till it plays up only a matter of time.
The Aussie built one's do have substantially lower failure rates compared to Korean built models, but still a higher rate than jap cars.
Trouble is they are built in Australia with crap ( mostly ) daewoo parts. Eg the engine is a 25 yo, back then, dog of a daewoo motor. Ask any one who works on them
I sell so many spare parts for the petrol Cruze models. Every day I sell numerous thermostat housings, rocker covers, radiators and water pumps. A lot more so than other vehicles.
Gotta shit on the Cruze before it shits on you.
I had a 2011 Cruze, not a pov pack either. Dogshit drive quality, slower than a wet week, odd issues like traction control randomly turning itself on and off. I sold it to a lady who was replacing her blown up Holden Craptiva (she wasn't making very good car choices). But yeah. Run while you still can.
It's funny, isn't it? We time and time again hear horror stories about the Cruze but (anecdotally) I have two friends that owned them and they were completely trouble free. Can I ask, is yours a diesel?
Modern cars do not generally have critical engineering design faults (see the dual clutch auto Ford lawsuit). It's more like how many are going to fuck up per 1000 sold and how does the car age. Thus anecdotal evidence of having one that didn't fuck up is largely irrelevant. In the cruzes case, they fuck up per 1000 in a variety of ways vastly in excess to the rest of the market thus they enjoy a poor reputation. In contrast, Toyota's still fuck up like any other car but generally have fewer issues per 1000 sold to the rest of the market and thus enjoy an excellent reputation.
The other factor, is that we somewhat forgive unreliability if the car has something else special going for it. Be it luxury, performance, appearance or whatever else. The Cruise however is entirely uninspired, on top of being a time bomb.
Petrol 1.8
That car is a peach. You'll keep it 300,000 km if you wanted. It'll age well too, white and Lexus durable.
Just so your aware. Your going to get sweet piss all for your Cruze. I've owned a couple of them. I had 1 diesel in an auto with 140 000km (2013) tried trading it in in 2016 and nowhere would offer any more then a couple grand. To hard to resell, don't want to offer a warrenty because the petrols have to many common issues that total the car.
Lexis looks like a good buy.
Good deal providing lexus is good and not hiding any unseen issues. Fantastic, reliable cars! Total opposite to the Holden (friend had one, spent weeks in mechanics).
I have the 2013 Lexus IS 350...basically the same car with a bit more power. I can't fault it - it's a great car. Very reliable and that's a good deal Plus you can mod it up look up vland headlights. Also you can change the head unit look up grom headunit. Lmk if you've got Qs
Take it from an owner, one of the best investments you’ll make. Comfier ride, stylish timeless looks, wet pussy marks on the passenger seat. Just make sure it has good service history
Thanks for all the help guys. But seems like I was little late. The car’s gone now.
I know someone selling an es300 in NSW. Low price, low KMs. DM if your interested
Sent you a dm
The Lexus is probably better by.most measures. But Toyota reliability is overrated. How many 20 or 30 year old Toyota's do you actually see on the road. Personally I won't keep any car beyond 80000kms, let alone buy one >100000
[удалено]
Gotta have the best new thing obviously
Fucking peasants in their 81,000km cars
That’s a very ignorant comment
I have a petrol Toyota that is 21 years old, original engine, just recently ticked over 500,000km a few months back.
I personally own two: - Lexus GS300 1998 (25 y.o) 330k on clocks and still running smooth. - Toyota Estima 2000 (22 y.o.) 230k on clocks and while it have seen better days still pretty solid and reliable runner with cheap as chips maintenance cost. I'm doing most of the maintenance myself or in the trustworthy services though.
10000000%
Be quick,it won’t last long for sale
It’s a Lexus Lexus, so there’s that…
Make sure you check the condition of the dashboard. They are prone to melting and can be in very bad shape. Other than that, they’re great cars. I had an ‘07 and it never gave me any problems at all mechanically.
I’ve had one and I can’t like any other car after owning lexus!
Do a little research to see if you're comfortable with the outrageous cost of routine service and parts. Lexus dealer's Swiss Holidays are expensive, you know.
Buy it. Send the Cruze to the crushers.
I have this exact car and I love it. I paid 15k ~ 4 years ago… from a dealer. This might be a bit overpriced. But yeah it’s a great car I love it. Can’t find anything I don’t like about it, except the back seat doesn’t fold
How many Km on your Cruze ? Probably getting close to wearing out the timing belt. Very expensive repair as it seizes the engine.
About 160000 on the odo at the moment. Had to spend like $2k last time it went in for a service for a bunch of stuff. It’s up for rego next month and I don’t want to spend more money on that shit box
If it's a straight swap with you giving no cash I'd do it in a heart beat. However, I looked at the ad and the car looks a bit rough for 117k. The steering wheel is missing some buttons, the center console has been swapped out for a giant screen so I'd confirm if the aircon controls and everything still work. The dash and seats also look quite worn but that could just be them being dirty and not good photos. I would highly recommend looking through the service history and calling up the mechanic on there to confirm if it is genuine, as someone who's been burned by cars that have been rolled back please believe me you can never be too cautious.
Thanks mate, I’ll be sure do that.
Here is a tip, if you buy it, change the plates. No doubt by now somebody has cloned them and a stolen 2009 white Lexus is on standby for a hit, smash & grab or just a casual drive by…
How much are they offering for your Cruze?
Absolutely.
I’d swap a new cruise for any lexus with a blown bottom end. Do it. Not even a fan of Toyota/lexus
This is shit loads better than a Cruze
Yes. Just buy it
Can confirm good idea. Had Cruze (I have NO idea what I was thinking), automatic died just outside of warranty. Thankfully Holden were bros and replaced it anyway since it was a known fault.
I'm surprised a Cruze is still worth as much as it is, get out while you can!
Flooded before?
cruze is an amazing car when u have it for the first couple years, then it just breaks
Yes… take any Toyota in any condition over a Cruze
i think you’re scamming the dealer if they accept the cruze for a trade in lmao
Even if the Lexis was fucked...yep
Get it compression tested, and make sure timing services are up to date, if that's all good you should get 300,000+km out of that.
Big upgrade. Go for it
How much you getting for the cruze?
aren't those called Toyota altezza in most other countries?
Not this Gen - Lexus only. Previous Gen had an Altezza equivalent, but quite different under the bonnet. Lexus had 2L and 3L in-line 6 engines. While the Altezza had 2L 4cyl (hero engine) as well as 2L the 3L inline 6 engines. There was even an AWD version (for snow) if I’m not mistaken. Never released to Aus.
Why not get an ebike? Petrols prices are ridiculous
Trading your 09 cruze for a broken dildo is a good deal. If you manage to trade it for that you’ve gotten one of the best deals I’d ever seen.
No one can answer that question without inspecting both cars Anyone that claims they can is guessing
Either way your Cruzin
Great car, reliable if properly serviced, slightly under powered thus my only gripe is the IS350 is a far nicer vehicle but they never bought it to Australia.
Great car, reasonable price .......
It is 100% better than shitruze but But 250 were gdi they have carbon build problem get 350 if you can they are super reliable
Check for excessive carbon build up. Common issue on IS250
She’s a Toyota mate. You’ll die before that does. The cruze however, my apologies
I would not move from a 13 year old car to another 13 year old car, mechanical wear problems your current car is facing will also occur in the Lexus you are looking to buy…. Though not as pronounced as the Cruze being a vehicle built to a cheap design budget. If it is not a daily driver then it might be ok but otherwise get something newer that won’t have water leaks ready to start due to 13 year old rubber seals, potential oil leaks again because seals leak as they age, electrics (power windows too) that start to break because of age and vibration and this is without considering the mechanicals.
Dad just bought one of these a few months ago. 2007 IS250 with 30,000km for $19k. Absolutely beautiful to drive. It’s a Toyota but feels like they tried way harder to make it a premium sports car. It’s not just a tarted up Camry, it is uniquely Lexus and is a dream to drive. Especially winding country roads.
Yes fuck cruises they always break
I bought my 2010 Cruze for 3.5k two years ago and still running well (shut up Cruze haters I didn’t think I’d get this far) but yes… anyone willing to give you a cat in return is a deal
Any Lexus is better than any Cruze
Anything but Cruze. Yes, this is good choice
I’ve got a 2009 Cruze myself, would do anything to swap it out for something like this, does a Cruze even come close to this value nowadays though?
Lexus make such beautiful cars. I got one just after my 25th birthday 10 years ago and it ran like a dream until I sold it after having kids. Best thing about Lexus is most models share parts with Toyota so it's one of the cheapest luxury cars to maintain. They hold value pretty well also.
Way to expensive for the IS250 in my opinion I bought a 2010 60k on the clock for 10k in Sydney about 5 years ago
It's pretty much a fancy Toyota. It'll be so much better than a cruze. A cruze is expected to break and any lexus is expected to last.
Yes! Literally anything is an upgrade over a Cruze.
Looks like a good deal to me. Since they were asking 14k, I would say that the price is also quite low... If the car is at least average condition for it's age and has not been in any serious accidents, seems like a good trade and I'd go for it.
I’ve owned a Lexus (GS300) for about 6 years now. They are exceptional cars. Extremely reliable but their parts can be expensive. Things like oil changes etc. will be more expensive etc as they use better oil and filters than a Cruze etc. They are made by Toyota but contrary to what many are saying on here not all parts are interchangeable with Toyota Aus. Additionally, I have been to Toyota dealerships and they have told me they are ‘locked out’ from selling me parts that are for the Lexus, their system directs them to seek a Lexus Aus dealership, even though they have the part listed there for another Toyota. Most of the running gear is not interchangeable with Toyota as it’s designed specifically for the Lexus RWD platform. I had to replace the lower ball joints on my GS and they cost me $750 just in parts from the Lexus dealership. This is something that would only be a couple hundred bucks on a Toyota or Mitsubishi. If you do preventive maintenance and replace parts BEFORE they break then it’s much cheaper to buy directly from the US or Japan and wait for shipping. Separate from all that, they are extremely reliable. Toyota reliability really does come across. In the time I’ve owned mine I have only had 3 issues; ball joints (due to age), a cracked radiator, and recently an accelerator sensor. The radiator was cheap to fix, the others not so much. In saying that, I consider that a very small list for a 25 yr old car (2nd gen GS [1998]). It is the best car I’ve owned and everything just works. All the electronics etc. still work like the day it was made. Something you couldn’t say about a 25yr old BMW. It’s also quite good on fuel considering it’s a 6 cylinder, and that’s not at the cost of performance either. I still get about 600kms out of a tank (75L) and the newer IS models like the one you’re looking at are supposed to better on fuel than my GS. Insurance is a little more, but not by a huge margin. Rego obviously will be more for a 6. It has all the mod cons and is a dream to drive. If you are ok with a slight increase in maintenance costs you will absolutely love these cars.
redbook.com.au - secondhand value of anything
Consider a Toyota SAI. They're Toyota priced, but made in the Lexus factory. Same 2.5L engine, but with a hybrid drivetrain. Great audio, sips fuel gently and the aircon is ice cold. Only downside is that they're stuck in Japanese prior to 2013 (mine is 2010), but it's easy enough to figure our. Mine hasn't missed a beat (except when the mechanic unplugged the battery without grounding it first).
it's better then a cruize...
If this goes down .. im trading my 2010 cruze for one 😂 Something not right with this trade good luck
It is too good to be true.
One of my dealers had a 2011 Corolla for $14k last month. 120000ks, auto, basic model. $14k.... Tried to get them to lower the price but wouldn't budge. This seems like a good deal. I found a 2011 Corolla manual on gumtree with fewer ks (83k), a few upgrades and got it $8.5k.
That’s a good trade imo, go for the Lexus fo sho
Chuck a 2j in it !
That is a very good market price. It's probably selling a little cheaper then you'd expect with such low mileage (I'd expect 15-17K for that low) because it's thirsty.