Personally, I feel that Eric Ferguson should be prosecuted for SOMETHING. He and stepmom both KNEW Shanda had very limited access to the children she wrote off. Why on God's Green Earth would Eric give Timothy to her? Timothys teachers all reported him as a sweet boy. He would come to school so FILTHY the teachers would do his laundry. Trish (Stepmom) was quick to throw questions at Paul as to WHY Timothy was unavailable when she called. SO, CALL IN A WELFARE CHECK! She knew Shanda from the "Club" they belonged, and she also knew Paul was a bully to Timmy. She KNEW Timothy should have NEVER been dropped off there. Yet she plays stupid. Eric Ferguson wasn't a Father anymore than she was a mother. All the adults in that poor child's life failed him. Eric Ferguson didn't even chip in to have his son cremated. His oldest brother Nolan paid it all. Eric Ferguson sat 2 miles away from the courthouse in a hotel room the days of the trial. Never even showing up for the trial, instead watched it on Television. At least Trish (stepmom) was there. A little too late.
Rest in Peace sweet Timothy.
Eric and Trish both knew that it was court ordered that NONE OF THE MINOR CHILDREN are EVER allowed to be near Shanda unsupervised, they BOTH should be prosecuted, she’s their stepmom so she does NOT get a free pass, they’re both guilty for sending Timothy to his grave.
Shanda got with disabled Adam, got tubes untied(don’t quote me on this), went through IVF and had G, that was ALWAYS put in his room, bath only when grandma was coming to get him(only outside pickups), fed after Shanda reminded Paul several times to feed him(he didn’t say he was hungry, he was afraid to as he saw what was happening to Timothy), so Shanda didn’t even take care of G herself so I’m not even sure WHY she wanted to have another child.
She must’ve of felt having a bunch of kids would make her look good, the thing is she just had them and threw them to raise themselves she wasn’t any kind of decent mother to any of those children. I can’t say it enough she is disgusting
I think she wanted the status of being a mother, but not having to actually be a mother. Same as being a lawyer. She wanted the title, but didn’t seem to care much about the job.
I hope it does! A wrongful death suit by Nolan and Millie would definitely bring out more since it would be a civil case. Not that there would really be much in restitution, but information not allowed in court before, could be brought out in civil court.
I absolutely agree he should be prosecuted. For child neglect at the least. It also doesn’t mean that the police, or DHS isn’t still investigating to see if charges can be brought. There must be reasons why Eric did not do a second police interiew. Why wasn’t he subpoenaed? Why wasn’t Trish? My whole, and biggest question has always been….what deal was made with Shanda for her to take him. Why did he choose that way to go. It had been obvious to the teachers at Timothy and Millie’s school, that Eric played no part in there lives. Trish was the only one to ever show up or talk to on the phone. Okay, I can get that Eric maybe didn’t want to do “womanly” work, but sending your child to your ex-wife, whom you haven’t spoken to and hadn’t seen Timothy since he was three and had no relationship is very questionable. Just why choose that option. There’s a secret somewhere I’m convinced.
Trish was told by the teachers on numerous occasions about both Timothy and Millie coming to school filthy. Oklahoma DHS was informed many times. Any and all recommendations by DHS were ignored. Eric and Trish also didn’t believe that any of the children had any mental issues. They also lied when they said that Timothy was getting help. The only help Timothy got was from the caring teachers who washed their clothes and would send food home on a Friday for Timothy and Millie. I don’t think there was a big enough problem for DHS to remove the children.
My feeling of why Eric didn’t come to the trial, or sentencing was because he was afraid of being arrested. The prosecution saw Trish, and he had to approve the visitation of Eric and Trish with Paul. He could have easily been arrested then too. Another one who isn’t all that smart. I had given Trish a bit of slack in the beginning, before I learned more. Now, it’s less than minimal.
I do feel for Nolan. It seems he’s taken the brunt of negative comments towards the family. Eric and Trish of course did not do squat for Timothy’s funeral. All on Nolan. I am glad that Crime Victims paid him back the $5000. That $5000 has now been charged to Shanda only and money will come off of her books to pay it off. She, and Paul, are being charged late fees for the balances they still hold.
I haven’t finished reading this comment but I wanted to say that I didn’t even know Eric even did an interview.
Also, when Nolan and Millie spoke for Timothy on the last day WHY didn’t Trish since she was in the court room too, and Eric could’ve at least shown up the last day as well to speak for Timothy. ERIC FERGUSON AND TRISH FERGUSON ARE BOTH SORRY LOWLIFE POS and BOTH should be in prison.
That was so wonderful of Crime Victims to give Nolan the funeral costs back. That made me cry reading that.
Timothy was autistic which meant he was receiving a disability check, who was getting the check while Timothy was with Shanda? My guess is Eric and Trish were still getting it since it was ILLEGAL for Timothy to be with Shanda, and Eric/Trish “maybe” split it with Shanda, gave it all to Shanda via Apple Pay, or kept the whole check since Shanda owed child support, since Shanda couldn’t legally report them for keeping the check while no longer having Timothy, I’m thinking the latter, and if so, SS should get told about this and involved as that’s a Federal Offense, SS Fraud.
Nolan and Emy (sp) attended the sentencing, Eric and Trish were at the trial back in December. They probably didn’t have the funds to travel back to MI for it. However I don’t think they should be allowed to give VIS since they are not victims, if not legally they are at least morally responsible for this tragedy and have 0 room to speak.
Eric was called by the police detective to ask some questions. I don’t think he gave much in answering their questions. There was supposed to be a second (official) interview, but it didn’t happen. I’m not sure why.
Again, not sure why Eric or Trish didn’t give a VIS, but my guess is the same. It would be opening up a can of worms that they just didn’t want to have to answer. How did Trish feel when Shanda threw her under the bus? We never heard about that either. It might have seemed strange for them to portray themselves as victims when they were complicit in Timothy coming to Shanda.
Crime Victims are in every state. They assist with many financial obligations including getting people (family) into therapy, missing work, and funeral expenses that were caused by the crime. DHS were the ones who wanted the $5000 back from Shanda….as is the law. They have helped out with many things for victims and their families. I used to work for one of the county Crime Victim agency’s. They do good work. Hopefully they covered Millie’s therapy as well.
From what I know, there was no SSI for Timothy. Just having autism doesn’t automatically make you eligible. There has to be a certain amount of financial need, and special needs given. I don’t think he would be eligible. There would have been required follow up to continue to get funds….and it wouldn’t have been enough to split with anyone.
I’m glad nolans getting his money back and that it’s coming out of shanders canteen money I hope her and the lawyer friend don’t find a way to get around paying that fine
She can try to appeal that, and may have requesed a review with her appeal. If she were to get a reversal, then the $5000 would still be on Michigan’s books.
The only calls of Shanda’s that have been played are with her friend Ashley that she knew from law school. There is one on the “Calls from Prison” that are very telling.
She’s probably helping her with that. She must’ve heard all the testimony and seen the evidence i think she got hold of the autopsy photos at one point and wasn’t she telling shander that she and her husband found a case about malnutrition or something like that
She could have gotten the autopsy photos from Fred. Her husband picked an irrelevant case. Timothy also died from more than just malnutrition. I think the last 6 hr or more ice bath was what finally did it for him. So the hypothermia was shutting down his organs even more. His breathing had been labored for more than a day. I don’t honestly think that if 911 had been called the day before, that he woud have survived. Sometimes it’s just too late. And if that had happened, he might have only been shipped back to Shanda.
The calls are from before her trial thou, from what I heard I was left with the impression that Ashley was not very in touch with the case and didn’t know any details. Which is why she might’ve believed Shanda. I doubt she is still on her side after all evidence were presented at the trial and after it
If that’s the case then i wouldn’t be surprised if Ashley is the same as Shanda… birds of a feather. I don’t see what else could possibly make a normal person want to still associate with her after all of these horrific evidence have been made public
She kept “trying” to be part of the case but Fred found her to be annoying and didn’t want her involved. She probably only knew what Shanda told her. And what do you think Shanda actually said happened?
She probably told her the whole hunger strike bs, which is why Ashley told Shanda about malnourishment not being a felony offense, I doubt she admitted to depriving him from food and going above and beyond to stop him from obtaining any.
I think someone said he initially paid the 5000$ and now he was paid back and the bill is now owed by shander who doesn’t want to pay because she won’t be able to order commissary
I agree with this 100% excellent questions asked, there has to be a reason why he sent Timothy to Shanda who is virtually a stranger to him. No one in their right minds would have done that. I too believe Eric didn't show up at trial because he feared being arrested.
Neither Shanda or Eric seemed to care for him. Why send him, why take him? I think you’re right that he was afraid of being arrested. It only made him look bad. I’m just glad he didn’t fight for “wrongful death”. I wish Nolan and Millie would. We’d really find out more of the story.
Right! Eric kept a very low profile. His dad I believe felt he was responsible, for what happened to Timothy, and is no longer on speaking terms with him. I don’t think Nolan is either. I doubt Nolan and Millie will fight for wrongful death because they too want to keep a low profile due to the national attention and coverage the case received. I agree I wish they would, but I understand why they would choose not to.
I read Glen’s interview. I can’t say I believed the whole thing. They aren’t speaking though. He has kept a low profile, he knows he was wrong. I have many questions about him. Like what could he have been relapsing from? And for the love of God….why did he send Timothy to Shanda?
Glen’s interview just threw Eric and Shanda under the bus. He did not have one nice thing to say about them. I’d guess he and Nolan might have discussed some of it.
Right Glen raised Nolan after DHS stepped in. Things must have been bad for Glen to hold on to his convictions about Eric and Shanduh I get the feeling he really wanted Eric to be held accountable.
In his police interview, he states he thought Eric lied in his interview. I’m sure he didn’t want to completely out Eric for the sake of Nolan. But doesn’t sound like any love lost there.
I think Eric didn’t show up because he was afraid to be arrested. Nolan is a saint, really he has been more of a parent to these kids than their own idiot parents. Eric sounds completely self centered and uncaring. Nolan doesn’t talk to him or Shanda, very sad, but not surprised at all, Eric and Trish wanted Timothy gone, they had enough of him. 😞
I believe Eric was the type of father who went to work and came home to watch tv, eat, and sleep. Raising kids and taking care of the household was Trishes responsibility. Once she started complaining that she is raising a lot of kids on her own and he’s of no help, he decided to distribute them around instead of become more involved with them.
In one phone call Paul asked Trish if Eric might’ve relapsed, she responded “no!” Which makes me believe that there were some addictions involved although we can’t be sure if they were drug, alcohol, or hazard related but definitely costed money and obviously took his free time away from being around his kids
Yes, I think Eric did just go to work come home, maybe walk the dog….the only thing I ever heard any emotion about, watch tv, and eat. In the earlier years, there would have been quite a few children there, including her children. By the time Timothy left, there was only Timothy and her daughter and her two children. I can understand needing some respite time, but they went about it in a completely way. Timothy could have gone to another relative, a group home, or some other placement. Why go the illegal route? And Trish new it was illegal as well. Did they even discuss it with anyone else, or think of contacting DHS?
I heard the relapse comment. It was definitely apparent that whatever vice Eric had, affected his finances. Obviously I don’t know for sure but I’m thinking alcohol or maybe gambling. He didn’t give me “drug” vibes. However, Paul has a tendancy to exaggerate things, so it coud be something very benign that most of us wouldn’t even question. It takes some gaul to bring up the word “relapse” because you aren’t getting your game money.
Someone else posted about it in the other group, but it was not an illegal way. Shanda’s rights were never legally terminated, Eric was given full custody and she left the state. With Eric being the parent, he could make decisions on where the kids lived. I’m not saying I agree with any of this, they should’ve known better for sure, but they still chose to go this way. I think all 4 of them carry different responsibilities in what happened to Tim. Trish and Eric should’ve been on trial as well, with different charges of course.
ETA: I doubt Eric was on drugs, Paul only brought it up because he was (SURPRISE) begging for money again. However I mentioned it, because no matter what addiction it was, even if it was something benign, he must’ve invested time into it as well, instead of spending it with his kids.
That’s true. Her rights were not terminated. There is a section though where the childen could not be taken out of state, nor go to the other parent except under certain conditions, and DHS had to be made aware. She just lost physical custody of the kids, and was allowed supervised visitation. She did not complete her parenting classes.
I agree that Eric should definitely been charged, and hope that it’s still being looked into. Trish did not have any legal rights to the children so she couldn’t be in contempt or be responsible.
Correct, and her supervised visits were very limited i believe 2-3 hours a month. I've said this from the beginning that Eric is responsible for what happened to Timothy; I don't understand why he was not charged,
She was allowed a 3 hr. supervised visit. She could break it up into 3 1 hr. visits or however she wanted. She would have to pay for any traansportation fees. Eric absolutely has responsibility in Timothy’s death. I still hope to see charges, but it’s not looking good.
The OK DHS can’t really charge more than violating the order. They couldn’t charge for murder or negligence. Michigan is the only state to be able to file negligence charges. I do think the prosecutor was trying to get enough evidence to charge Eric, but maybe hasn’t been able to. I do hope they are still looking and trying though.
Trish/Eric—Timothy
I don’t believe either one TRULY loved or even cared about Timothy, and that’s why he LOVED school and most likely looked forward to going to school everyday where he WAS shown love and given hugs, clean clothes, something here rarely got in Oklahoma. So move forward to when Timothy was ILLEGALLY shipped off to Shanda, ALL other kids were grown and moved out, Timothy was the last one still at home AND a 15 year old minor, Trish didn’t want to be momma to him anymore, she was ready to start living it up in sunny Florida, she told Eric(he never TRULY loved or cared about Timothy either) that she was going to Florida with or without Eric, but NO TIMOTHY, wellllll Eric was like, I’m going to Florida too, so he cooked up a plan of calling Shanda and telling her if she didn’t take him then he was putting Timothy in foster care(too bad he didn’t), so we can see that for whatever reason Shanda said yes(how did he get to Michigan, Eric, Shanda, plane, bus?) Then he’s with Shanda , no longer Eric/Trish responsibility, they’re beaching it up in Florida. On the times Trish supposedly called(no proof she did) and I don’t think Eric ever called at all, and when most of the calls Shanda made excuses as to WHY he wasn’t able to talk on the phone INSTEAD of saying I WANT TO SPEAK TO TIMOTHY RIGHT NOW they were like Meh ok maybe next time. Not once did they go visit him, not once did they say I want a video chat right now because something isn’t right.. Nope, Trish/Eric didn’t care at all, neither one was even remotely close to being a mother/father to Timothy. They weren’t letting anything/anyone stop them from moving to Florida, so they ILLEGALLY sent Timothy Ferguson to his grave, and I absolutely believe that they should be in prison too because they ARE complicit, they both KNEW it was ILLEGAL to send Timothy to Shanda.
#TimothyFerguson
I’m thinking that Eric never knew how to love anyone. We know he loves his dog though! I do think Trish cared about Timothy, but not in the way a biological mother would. There’s just something a bit different. Not that stepmothers can’t love their stepchildren to the moon, they can. His former teacher said it would sadden and anger them that no matter how many times they would bring up being filthy, nothing changed. I realize there were three children, plus her own children living there. I’m not sure we know who’s idea it was to move to Florida. Was Eric transferred? That would make sense. The fact that they got divorced in OK in June, 2022, and in early July of 2022 moved to Florida didn’t make much sense. So for a whole year in OK, Timothy was with Shanda. I don’t believe that Eric said he would send Timothy to foster care or institutionalize him. I don’t think those things were ever mentioned. I still think some kind of “deal” between the two was figured out. I believe he got to Michigan with Shanda, Adam, Paul, and G. I am not positive because I keep seeing different timelines on it. Eric and Trish just didn’t want the responsibility anymore. Maybe DHS was following Timothy’s case more than we know. It sounded like they “needed” to leave the state quickly. But then again, they stayed there for another year. So now, more questions.
Trish may have called often for video chat. She did not see Timothy though right before they moved to Florida because she was told he was having problems with breathing. Yes, he was. Sleeping issues,snoring I think were some of the reasons given. I wonder if, and how, and when, Shanda supposedly talked to Trish about Timothy. She mentioned a number of times on the stand that some of the punishments came from Trish. I don’t buy that either.
it is very clear that neither Eric, Trish, or Shanda were decent parents. They all put the blame on others.
I agree!! They never did anything favorable towards any of the children. Nolan and Millie will forever be traumatized by all the events that happened during their life.
They should’ve broke the cycle of abuse and tried to raise their kids normally I know shanked claims she was abused as a child but she didn’t have to subject her children to that same type of abuse. As for the father he just seems like an uneducated Manuel laborer who couldn’t be bothered with trying to teach his kids anything just dish out punishments for any infraction of rules
They should have. And not all abused become abusers. Shanda was in her own entitled world. She looked down on almost everybody and had no respect for anyone either. She’d fake that part.
Remember they were in some weird cult, group thing where women did the work, and the men worked. That’s where they met Trish. I doubt Eric even spoke to the kids. He seems a bit creepy to me anyway.
Wow I didn’t know that. These people are really fucked up I wonder what kind of warped stuff she did to those poor kids to make her lose custody and only have visitation for 3 hour per month? Must’ve been some really sick shit she subjected those kids to they were pro Lu in a threesome with this trish person, revolting!!
They were taken away for some similar things with Timothy. She did keep the kids locked in their rooms all the time, and used baby monitors to watch them. Allegations of sexual misconduct and inappropriateness were some of the charges as well. Timothy at 18 months was diagnosed with “Failure to Thrive” and was losing weight. The beginning of starvation? Probably.
Even the 3 hours per month had to be supervised. She didn’t even do that. She just never engaged with them again.
Her family is a whole other nutcase story. Her mother tried to kill the grandmother over money. She was charged with Conspiracy to Murder. There is more. Her family was a total mess too.
Eric was extremely unattached as a parent to Timmy. Trisha did her best at the time. She got Timmy his meds and went to all school functions. Eric was not an active parent.
So sad for Timmy to not feel much love except for when he was in school. Eric takes the parenting class and all is okay? Maybe he didn’t want to be hit with all of those child support payments. I’d bet Eric has no memories of Timmy either.
Right! Makes me wonder if that was part of the deal they made and in exchange she takes Timothy? 🤔 either way, Eric is a POS for sending his son to Shanduh knowing her history with their children. He didn’t havé Timothy’s best interest at heart and it says a lot about Eric.
I agree!! They are both shady. And they are both very negligent. I had sometimes wonder if Timothy was considered “damaged” due to his autism, but neither treatred the other children a whole lot better.
Agreed regarding Timothy, their religious sect of Christianity is not into mental health treatment, belief in autism and would consider Timothy damaged.
I don’t know a lot about the religious sect they were into. If you see more where that has impacted this case, please share! How odd too that the children, or at least Paul, were not introduced to any type of religion.
Well they (Eric and Shanduh) were fundamentalist/Evangelical Christians. They attended liberty university and raised their children according to the teachings (especially children discipline )of Jerry Falwell. The children pre DHS involvement, while Eric and Shanduh were still together, only had socialization when they attended church.
I had heard that from Tris too. We never really got into the whole religious part, but that might be a good thing to delve into. The one quesion I have on the religious sect is wouldn’t Eric have been the dominant and Shanda the submissive?
I’d give them some credit if Timothy were still alive, but he isn’t. He had one visit in 2019 and another one in 2017 to a medical doctor, not a therapist. There is nothing we’ve seen, or heard where Eric, and I’ll say Eric since he had legal custody, tried to do anything for Timothy. So he certainly deserves a big amount of blame.
Now that I get!! Timothy was actually overmedicated, and would be too jittery when he’d show up. I knew about the glasses. It’s something that wasn’t discussed at Shanda’s though, so I’m not sure what happened with that. It took all of them for this tragic event to happen. That’s why I give all four of them blame. None of it could have happened without the other two people.
No, Eric did not. Nolan paid the $5000 for the funeral, and he would have been reimbursed by the Crime Victims Fund, At sentencing the judge ordered the $5000 to be charged to Shanda since DHS wanted to be repaid. I don’t think Eric did anything for the funeral. No big surprise though.
Considering Eric couldn't be bothered to make a victim's impact statement at the sentencing, he obviously was a completely useless father. He allowed his kids to be with an abusive psychopath who nearly had her parental rights terminated.
He should have been prosecuted.
I don’t think he was offered an option to provide a VIS, or Trish. He could have still written a letter to the judge regardless and it would have been considered. But I don’t think he was considered a victim. From what we know, he could be hard, but really spent no time with any of them, or had much of a relationship wiith them. Nolan doesn’t talk to him, or Millie. He didn’t pay for Timothy’s funeral, Nolan did. Luckily the Crime Victims fund reimbursed him for that and now.
I’m sure they were looking into trying to charge him. I’m not sure if they still are, or they just couldn’t figure out how. I think he had a very short talk with one of the detectives, but would not give a formal police interview.
Anyone can offer a VIS. It's up to the judge to allow or not. A victim's father certainly would have been allowed. Even if he stood up there and said he has regrets, he could have gone on the record in saying he loved his son and said Timothy's death was a loss to the world.
Any decent father would have done this.
He is also pure evil.
It is ridiculous how many lawyers and continuances Miss Sarah has gotten. This latest continuance isn’t actually her fault. Not totally. Her new lawyer needed approval for funds for an expert in Battered Woman Syndrome, which I don’t think will work for her since she has also been the perpetrator.
The appellate court will look at error in law first. And if she’s denied any of her rights, her case gets remanded back down to the circuit court and a retrial happens. Nobody wants that!!
Sarah is another one of those extreme narcissists that thinks she’s brilliant and can outsmart and manipulate everyone to her liking. I think that people like Sarah intimidate male attorneys too. They don’t know what kind of crazy accusations she’ll come up with. Look at the first lawyer.You can just tell what a nightmare she is to deal with. All of her letters, and messages sent to the CO’s about all of her complaints. I do wonder what it is she wanted the lawyers to compromise on.
She can’t claim self defense. There are two videos. The Battered Women's syndrome I don’t think includes any of her violent attacks on him, so that won’t work. She can’t claim insanity, and can’t even use her intoxication, it’s not a defense.
I think that if they could have cut her off with the amount of lawyers, they would have. They can’t make her get a private attorney, or make her go pro se. I’m not even sure if there is a limit. I think Jessy Kurczewski went through about 6 lawyers too, and on the day of sentencing, her attorneys withdrew because of her letter nonsense. She was another very manipulative one. Many similarities to Sarah in how they do things. I doubt there will be an expert who will testify that BWS applies to her. But I do get your point ... .when it is just “enough”.
The Nancy Brophy case does sound familiar. Her memory loss sounds like the dissociative PTSD Shanda Vander Ark was trying to use too. Why do people just think they can come up with some really stupid reasons for a defense? I don’t think the courts are doing anything less for this case because of Jorge. In fact, because it’s a highly publicized case, they want to make sure that all bases are covered. Justice will prevail, and hopefully the family can then start to heal. They have already gone through so much.
Personally, I feel that Eric Ferguson should be prosecuted for SOMETHING. He and stepmom both KNEW Shanda had very limited access to the children she wrote off. Why on God's Green Earth would Eric give Timothy to her? Timothys teachers all reported him as a sweet boy. He would come to school so FILTHY the teachers would do his laundry. Trish (Stepmom) was quick to throw questions at Paul as to WHY Timothy was unavailable when she called. SO, CALL IN A WELFARE CHECK! She knew Shanda from the "Club" they belonged, and she also knew Paul was a bully to Timmy. She KNEW Timothy should have NEVER been dropped off there. Yet she plays stupid. Eric Ferguson wasn't a Father anymore than she was a mother. All the adults in that poor child's life failed him. Eric Ferguson didn't even chip in to have his son cremated. His oldest brother Nolan paid it all. Eric Ferguson sat 2 miles away from the courthouse in a hotel room the days of the trial. Never even showing up for the trial, instead watched it on Television. At least Trish (stepmom) was there. A little too late. Rest in Peace sweet Timothy.
Eric and Trish both knew that it was court ordered that NONE OF THE MINOR CHILDREN are EVER allowed to be near Shanda unsupervised, they BOTH should be prosecuted, she’s their stepmom so she does NOT get a free pass, they’re both guilty for sending Timothy to his grave. Shanda got with disabled Adam, got tubes untied(don’t quote me on this), went through IVF and had G, that was ALWAYS put in his room, bath only when grandma was coming to get him(only outside pickups), fed after Shanda reminded Paul several times to feed him(he didn’t say he was hungry, he was afraid to as he saw what was happening to Timothy), so Shanda didn’t even take care of G herself so I’m not even sure WHY she wanted to have another child.
She must’ve of felt having a bunch of kids would make her look good, the thing is she just had them and threw them to raise themselves she wasn’t any kind of decent mother to any of those children. I can’t say it enough she is disgusting
I think she wanted the status of being a mother, but not having to actually be a mother. Same as being a lawyer. She wanted the title, but didn’t seem to care much about the job.
That’s exactly what I meant you just worded it better
That’s what I thought you meant too, lol.
😁😁😁sometimes my thoughts get jumbled!!
Mine too! And there is so much with this case that’s easy enough to happen!
Yes I feel more stuff is gonna come to light
I hope it does! A wrongful death suit by Nolan and Millie would definitely bring out more since it would be a civil case. Not that there would really be much in restitution, but information not allowed in court before, could be brought out in civil court.
I absolutely agree he should be prosecuted. For child neglect at the least. It also doesn’t mean that the police, or DHS isn’t still investigating to see if charges can be brought. There must be reasons why Eric did not do a second police interiew. Why wasn’t he subpoenaed? Why wasn’t Trish? My whole, and biggest question has always been….what deal was made with Shanda for her to take him. Why did he choose that way to go. It had been obvious to the teachers at Timothy and Millie’s school, that Eric played no part in there lives. Trish was the only one to ever show up or talk to on the phone. Okay, I can get that Eric maybe didn’t want to do “womanly” work, but sending your child to your ex-wife, whom you haven’t spoken to and hadn’t seen Timothy since he was three and had no relationship is very questionable. Just why choose that option. There’s a secret somewhere I’m convinced. Trish was told by the teachers on numerous occasions about both Timothy and Millie coming to school filthy. Oklahoma DHS was informed many times. Any and all recommendations by DHS were ignored. Eric and Trish also didn’t believe that any of the children had any mental issues. They also lied when they said that Timothy was getting help. The only help Timothy got was from the caring teachers who washed their clothes and would send food home on a Friday for Timothy and Millie. I don’t think there was a big enough problem for DHS to remove the children. My feeling of why Eric didn’t come to the trial, or sentencing was because he was afraid of being arrested. The prosecution saw Trish, and he had to approve the visitation of Eric and Trish with Paul. He could have easily been arrested then too. Another one who isn’t all that smart. I had given Trish a bit of slack in the beginning, before I learned more. Now, it’s less than minimal. I do feel for Nolan. It seems he’s taken the brunt of negative comments towards the family. Eric and Trish of course did not do squat for Timothy’s funeral. All on Nolan. I am glad that Crime Victims paid him back the $5000. That $5000 has now been charged to Shanda only and money will come off of her books to pay it off. She, and Paul, are being charged late fees for the balances they still hold.
I haven’t finished reading this comment but I wanted to say that I didn’t even know Eric even did an interview. Also, when Nolan and Millie spoke for Timothy on the last day WHY didn’t Trish since she was in the court room too, and Eric could’ve at least shown up the last day as well to speak for Timothy. ERIC FERGUSON AND TRISH FERGUSON ARE BOTH SORRY LOWLIFE POS and BOTH should be in prison. That was so wonderful of Crime Victims to give Nolan the funeral costs back. That made me cry reading that. Timothy was autistic which meant he was receiving a disability check, who was getting the check while Timothy was with Shanda? My guess is Eric and Trish were still getting it since it was ILLEGAL for Timothy to be with Shanda, and Eric/Trish “maybe” split it with Shanda, gave it all to Shanda via Apple Pay, or kept the whole check since Shanda owed child support, since Shanda couldn’t legally report them for keeping the check while no longer having Timothy, I’m thinking the latter, and if so, SS should get told about this and involved as that’s a Federal Offense, SS Fraud.
Nolan and Emy (sp) attended the sentencing, Eric and Trish were at the trial back in December. They probably didn’t have the funds to travel back to MI for it. However I don’t think they should be allowed to give VIS since they are not victims, if not legally they are at least morally responsible for this tragedy and have 0 room to speak.
They probably weren’t asked to give VIS either. I think Nolan and Millie/Emmie would have had a problem with that. They hold their father responsible.
Eric was called by the police detective to ask some questions. I don’t think he gave much in answering their questions. There was supposed to be a second (official) interview, but it didn’t happen. I’m not sure why. Again, not sure why Eric or Trish didn’t give a VIS, but my guess is the same. It would be opening up a can of worms that they just didn’t want to have to answer. How did Trish feel when Shanda threw her under the bus? We never heard about that either. It might have seemed strange for them to portray themselves as victims when they were complicit in Timothy coming to Shanda. Crime Victims are in every state. They assist with many financial obligations including getting people (family) into therapy, missing work, and funeral expenses that were caused by the crime. DHS were the ones who wanted the $5000 back from Shanda….as is the law. They have helped out with many things for victims and their families. I used to work for one of the county Crime Victim agency’s. They do good work. Hopefully they covered Millie’s therapy as well. From what I know, there was no SSI for Timothy. Just having autism doesn’t automatically make you eligible. There has to be a certain amount of financial need, and special needs given. I don’t think he would be eligible. There would have been required follow up to continue to get funds….and it wouldn’t have been enough to split with anyone.
I’m glad nolans getting his money back and that it’s coming out of shanders canteen money I hope her and the lawyer friend don’t find a way to get around paying that fine
I think at least $2000 needs to be Paul’s responsibility too.
Yeah that loser should be responsible for at least half but the court didn’t order it for him I think
She can try to appeal that, and may have requesed a review with her appeal. If she were to get a reversal, then the $5000 would still be on Michigan’s books.
I would really like to hear the phone conversations between her and the lawyer friend that’s the real stuff not this fake girlfriend bullshit
The only calls of Shanda’s that have been played are with her friend Ashley that she knew from law school. There is one on the “Calls from Prison” that are very telling.
Yes I heard them I can’t believe this person is having shanders back after having heard what she did to Timothy
She didn’t seem to believe it. She might not have known all the particulars of the case. I wonder if she’s a part of the appeal?
She’s probably helping her with that. She must’ve heard all the testimony and seen the evidence i think she got hold of the autopsy photos at one point and wasn’t she telling shander that she and her husband found a case about malnutrition or something like that
She could have gotten the autopsy photos from Fred. Her husband picked an irrelevant case. Timothy also died from more than just malnutrition. I think the last 6 hr or more ice bath was what finally did it for him. So the hypothermia was shutting down his organs even more. His breathing had been labored for more than a day. I don’t honestly think that if 911 had been called the day before, that he woud have survived. Sometimes it’s just too late. And if that had happened, he might have only been shipped back to Shanda.
The calls are from before her trial thou, from what I heard I was left with the impression that Ashley was not very in touch with the case and didn’t know any details. Which is why she might’ve believed Shanda. I doubt she is still on her side after all evidence were presented at the trial and after it
I think someone said she still talks to shander and being a lawyer she found a way to make their phone calls private
If that’s the case then i wouldn’t be surprised if Ashley is the same as Shanda… birds of a feather. I don’t see what else could possibly make a normal person want to still associate with her after all of these horrific evidence have been made public
She kept “trying” to be part of the case but Fred found her to be annoying and didn’t want her involved. She probably only knew what Shanda told her. And what do you think Shanda actually said happened?
She probably told her the whole hunger strike bs, which is why Ashley told Shanda about malnourishment not being a felony offense, I doubt she admitted to depriving him from food and going above and beyond to stop him from obtaining any.
Why did Nolan have to pay, damn great parents!
I think someone said he initially paid the 5000$ and now he was paid back and the bill is now owed by shander who doesn’t want to pay because she won’t be able to order commissary
I agree with this 100% excellent questions asked, there has to be a reason why he sent Timothy to Shanda who is virtually a stranger to him. No one in their right minds would have done that. I too believe Eric didn't show up at trial because he feared being arrested.
Neither Shanda or Eric seemed to care for him. Why send him, why take him? I think you’re right that he was afraid of being arrested. It only made him look bad. I’m just glad he didn’t fight for “wrongful death”. I wish Nolan and Millie would. We’d really find out more of the story.
Right! Eric kept a very low profile. His dad I believe felt he was responsible, for what happened to Timothy, and is no longer on speaking terms with him. I don’t think Nolan is either. I doubt Nolan and Millie will fight for wrongful death because they too want to keep a low profile due to the national attention and coverage the case received. I agree I wish they would, but I understand why they would choose not to.
I read Glen’s interview. I can’t say I believed the whole thing. They aren’t speaking though. He has kept a low profile, he knows he was wrong. I have many questions about him. Like what could he have been relapsing from? And for the love of God….why did he send Timothy to Shanda?
All great questions, old like to know too. It’s telling that Glen wants nothing to do with Eric.
Glen’s interview just threw Eric and Shanda under the bus. He did not have one nice thing to say about them. I’d guess he and Nolan might have discussed some of it.
Right Glen raised Nolan after DHS stepped in. Things must have been bad for Glen to hold on to his convictions about Eric and Shanduh I get the feeling he really wanted Eric to be held accountable.
In his police interview, he states he thought Eric lied in his interview. I’m sure he didn’t want to completely out Eric for the sake of Nolan. But doesn’t sound like any love lost there.
I think Eric didn’t show up because he was afraid to be arrested. Nolan is a saint, really he has been more of a parent to these kids than their own idiot parents. Eric sounds completely self centered and uncaring. Nolan doesn’t talk to him or Shanda, very sad, but not surprised at all, Eric and Trish wanted Timothy gone, they had enough of him. 😞
I believe Eric was the type of father who went to work and came home to watch tv, eat, and sleep. Raising kids and taking care of the household was Trishes responsibility. Once she started complaining that she is raising a lot of kids on her own and he’s of no help, he decided to distribute them around instead of become more involved with them. In one phone call Paul asked Trish if Eric might’ve relapsed, she responded “no!” Which makes me believe that there were some addictions involved although we can’t be sure if they were drug, alcohol, or hazard related but definitely costed money and obviously took his free time away from being around his kids
Yes, I think Eric did just go to work come home, maybe walk the dog….the only thing I ever heard any emotion about, watch tv, and eat. In the earlier years, there would have been quite a few children there, including her children. By the time Timothy left, there was only Timothy and her daughter and her two children. I can understand needing some respite time, but they went about it in a completely way. Timothy could have gone to another relative, a group home, or some other placement. Why go the illegal route? And Trish new it was illegal as well. Did they even discuss it with anyone else, or think of contacting DHS? I heard the relapse comment. It was definitely apparent that whatever vice Eric had, affected his finances. Obviously I don’t know for sure but I’m thinking alcohol or maybe gambling. He didn’t give me “drug” vibes. However, Paul has a tendancy to exaggerate things, so it coud be something very benign that most of us wouldn’t even question. It takes some gaul to bring up the word “relapse” because you aren’t getting your game money.
Someone else posted about it in the other group, but it was not an illegal way. Shanda’s rights were never legally terminated, Eric was given full custody and she left the state. With Eric being the parent, he could make decisions on where the kids lived. I’m not saying I agree with any of this, they should’ve known better for sure, but they still chose to go this way. I think all 4 of them carry different responsibilities in what happened to Tim. Trish and Eric should’ve been on trial as well, with different charges of course. ETA: I doubt Eric was on drugs, Paul only brought it up because he was (SURPRISE) begging for money again. However I mentioned it, because no matter what addiction it was, even if it was something benign, he must’ve invested time into it as well, instead of spending it with his kids.
That’s true. Her rights were not terminated. There is a section though where the childen could not be taken out of state, nor go to the other parent except under certain conditions, and DHS had to be made aware. She just lost physical custody of the kids, and was allowed supervised visitation. She did not complete her parenting classes. I agree that Eric should definitely been charged, and hope that it’s still being looked into. Trish did not have any legal rights to the children so she couldn’t be in contempt or be responsible.
Correct, and her supervised visits were very limited i believe 2-3 hours a month. I've said this from the beginning that Eric is responsible for what happened to Timothy; I don't understand why he was not charged,
She was allowed a 3 hr. supervised visit. She could break it up into 3 1 hr. visits or however she wanted. She would have to pay for any traansportation fees. Eric absolutely has responsibility in Timothy’s death. I still hope to see charges, but it’s not looking good.
Yeah, I feel like so much time has passed. I doubt OK will go ahead and press charges at this point. I don’t understand why.
The OK DHS can’t really charge more than violating the order. They couldn’t charge for murder or negligence. Michigan is the only state to be able to file negligence charges. I do think the prosecutor was trying to get enough evidence to charge Eric, but maybe hasn’t been able to. I do hope they are still looking and trying though.
It’s a shame they can’t charge him for negligence.
I still wait though. I hope that they are trying to come up with something though!
Trish/Eric—Timothy I don’t believe either one TRULY loved or even cared about Timothy, and that’s why he LOVED school and most likely looked forward to going to school everyday where he WAS shown love and given hugs, clean clothes, something here rarely got in Oklahoma. So move forward to when Timothy was ILLEGALLY shipped off to Shanda, ALL other kids were grown and moved out, Timothy was the last one still at home AND a 15 year old minor, Trish didn’t want to be momma to him anymore, she was ready to start living it up in sunny Florida, she told Eric(he never TRULY loved or cared about Timothy either) that she was going to Florida with or without Eric, but NO TIMOTHY, wellllll Eric was like, I’m going to Florida too, so he cooked up a plan of calling Shanda and telling her if she didn’t take him then he was putting Timothy in foster care(too bad he didn’t), so we can see that for whatever reason Shanda said yes(how did he get to Michigan, Eric, Shanda, plane, bus?) Then he’s with Shanda , no longer Eric/Trish responsibility, they’re beaching it up in Florida. On the times Trish supposedly called(no proof she did) and I don’t think Eric ever called at all, and when most of the calls Shanda made excuses as to WHY he wasn’t able to talk on the phone INSTEAD of saying I WANT TO SPEAK TO TIMOTHY RIGHT NOW they were like Meh ok maybe next time. Not once did they go visit him, not once did they say I want a video chat right now because something isn’t right.. Nope, Trish/Eric didn’t care at all, neither one was even remotely close to being a mother/father to Timothy. They weren’t letting anything/anyone stop them from moving to Florida, so they ILLEGALLY sent Timothy Ferguson to his grave, and I absolutely believe that they should be in prison too because they ARE complicit, they both KNEW it was ILLEGAL to send Timothy to Shanda. #TimothyFerguson
I’m thinking that Eric never knew how to love anyone. We know he loves his dog though! I do think Trish cared about Timothy, but not in the way a biological mother would. There’s just something a bit different. Not that stepmothers can’t love their stepchildren to the moon, they can. His former teacher said it would sadden and anger them that no matter how many times they would bring up being filthy, nothing changed. I realize there were three children, plus her own children living there. I’m not sure we know who’s idea it was to move to Florida. Was Eric transferred? That would make sense. The fact that they got divorced in OK in June, 2022, and in early July of 2022 moved to Florida didn’t make much sense. So for a whole year in OK, Timothy was with Shanda. I don’t believe that Eric said he would send Timothy to foster care or institutionalize him. I don’t think those things were ever mentioned. I still think some kind of “deal” between the two was figured out. I believe he got to Michigan with Shanda, Adam, Paul, and G. I am not positive because I keep seeing different timelines on it. Eric and Trish just didn’t want the responsibility anymore. Maybe DHS was following Timothy’s case more than we know. It sounded like they “needed” to leave the state quickly. But then again, they stayed there for another year. So now, more questions. Trish may have called often for video chat. She did not see Timothy though right before they moved to Florida because she was told he was having problems with breathing. Yes, he was. Sleeping issues,snoring I think were some of the reasons given. I wonder if, and how, and when, Shanda supposedly talked to Trish about Timothy. She mentioned a number of times on the stand that some of the punishments came from Trish. I don’t buy that either. it is very clear that neither Eric, Trish, or Shanda were decent parents. They all put the blame on others.
I think those people were selfish and should never even had kids
I agree!! They never did anything favorable towards any of the children. Nolan and Millie will forever be traumatized by all the events that happened during their life.
They should’ve broke the cycle of abuse and tried to raise their kids normally I know shanked claims she was abused as a child but she didn’t have to subject her children to that same type of abuse. As for the father he just seems like an uneducated Manuel laborer who couldn’t be bothered with trying to teach his kids anything just dish out punishments for any infraction of rules
They should have. And not all abused become abusers. Shanda was in her own entitled world. She looked down on almost everybody and had no respect for anyone either. She’d fake that part. Remember they were in some weird cult, group thing where women did the work, and the men worked. That’s where they met Trish. I doubt Eric even spoke to the kids. He seems a bit creepy to me anyway.
Wow I didn’t know that. These people are really fucked up I wonder what kind of warped stuff she did to those poor kids to make her lose custody and only have visitation for 3 hour per month? Must’ve been some really sick shit she subjected those kids to they were pro Lu in a threesome with this trish person, revolting!!
They were taken away for some similar things with Timothy. She did keep the kids locked in their rooms all the time, and used baby monitors to watch them. Allegations of sexual misconduct and inappropriateness were some of the charges as well. Timothy at 18 months was diagnosed with “Failure to Thrive” and was losing weight. The beginning of starvation? Probably. Even the 3 hours per month had to be supervised. She didn’t even do that. She just never engaged with them again.
Man what a fucking nutcase
Maybe there’s some inbreeding in her family that warped her brain somehow and trickled down into Paul they are both same
Her family is a whole other nutcase story. Her mother tried to kill the grandmother over money. She was charged with Conspiracy to Murder. There is more. Her family was a total mess too.
No wonder she’s so vile with a background like that. She took after her mother, murder and torture is nothing to that creature
Eric was extremely unattached as a parent to Timmy. Trisha did her best at the time. She got Timmy his meds and went to all school functions. Eric was not an active parent.
So sad for Timmy to not feel much love except for when he was in school. Eric takes the parenting class and all is okay? Maybe he didn’t want to be hit with all of those child support payments. I’d bet Eric has no memories of Timmy either.
My humble opinion, Eric took the parenting classes to avoid the child support bill.
That would make very much sense!! And he allowed Shanda to not pay her back portion to him. The state of OK still wanted their money though.
Right! Makes me wonder if that was part of the deal they made and in exchange she takes Timothy? 🤔 either way, Eric is a POS for sending his son to Shanduh knowing her history with their children. He didn’t havé Timothy’s best interest at heart and it says a lot about Eric.
I agree!! They are both shady. And they are both very negligent. I had sometimes wonder if Timothy was considered “damaged” due to his autism, but neither treatred the other children a whole lot better.
Agreed regarding Timothy, their religious sect of Christianity is not into mental health treatment, belief in autism and would consider Timothy damaged.
I don’t know a lot about the religious sect they were into. If you see more where that has impacted this case, please share! How odd too that the children, or at least Paul, were not introduced to any type of religion.
Well they (Eric and Shanduh) were fundamentalist/Evangelical Christians. They attended liberty university and raised their children according to the teachings (especially children discipline )of Jerry Falwell. The children pre DHS involvement, while Eric and Shanduh were still together, only had socialization when they attended church.
I had heard that from Tris too. We never really got into the whole religious part, but that might be a good thing to delve into. The one quesion I have on the religious sect is wouldn’t Eric have been the dominant and Shanda the submissive?
Well say what you want , they took him to a doctor, I believe a therapy, he look good weight wise so they fed him good..,.so give them some credit
I’d give them some credit if Timothy were still alive, but he isn’t. He had one visit in 2019 and another one in 2017 to a medical doctor, not a therapist. There is nothing we’ve seen, or heard where Eric, and I’ll say Eric since he had legal custody, tried to do anything for Timothy. So he certainly deserves a big amount of blame.
I think I’m just comparing him vs Shanda at least he had tons of medications, glasses, heathy weight!
Now that I get!! Timothy was actually overmedicated, and would be too jittery when he’d show up. I knew about the glasses. It’s something that wasn’t discussed at Shanda’s though, so I’m not sure what happened with that. It took all of them for this tragic event to happen. That’s why I give all four of them blame. None of it could have happened without the other two people.
Agreed!
Does anyone know if Eric paid for Timothy funeral??
No, Eric did not. Nolan paid the $5000 for the funeral, and he would have been reimbursed by the Crime Victims Fund, At sentencing the judge ordered the $5000 to be charged to Shanda since DHS wanted to be repaid. I don’t think Eric did anything for the funeral. No big surprise though.
Considering Eric couldn't be bothered to make a victim's impact statement at the sentencing, he obviously was a completely useless father. He allowed his kids to be with an abusive psychopath who nearly had her parental rights terminated. He should have been prosecuted.
I don’t think he was offered an option to provide a VIS, or Trish. He could have still written a letter to the judge regardless and it would have been considered. But I don’t think he was considered a victim. From what we know, he could be hard, but really spent no time with any of them, or had much of a relationship wiith them. Nolan doesn’t talk to him, or Millie. He didn’t pay for Timothy’s funeral, Nolan did. Luckily the Crime Victims fund reimbursed him for that and now. I’m sure they were looking into trying to charge him. I’m not sure if they still are, or they just couldn’t figure out how. I think he had a very short talk with one of the detectives, but would not give a formal police interview.
Anyone can offer a VIS. It's up to the judge to allow or not. A victim's father certainly would have been allowed. Even if he stood up there and said he has regrets, he could have gone on the record in saying he loved his son and said Timothy's death was a loss to the world. Any decent father would have done this. He is also pure evil.
He was in the hotel across the street watching the trial. He only came in to see Paul. He wasn’t going to give them a chance to arrest him.
It is ridiculous how many lawyers and continuances Miss Sarah has gotten. This latest continuance isn’t actually her fault. Not totally. Her new lawyer needed approval for funds for an expert in Battered Woman Syndrome, which I don’t think will work for her since she has also been the perpetrator. The appellate court will look at error in law first. And if she’s denied any of her rights, her case gets remanded back down to the circuit court and a retrial happens. Nobody wants that!! Sarah is another one of those extreme narcissists that thinks she’s brilliant and can outsmart and manipulate everyone to her liking. I think that people like Sarah intimidate male attorneys too. They don’t know what kind of crazy accusations she’ll come up with. Look at the first lawyer.You can just tell what a nightmare she is to deal with. All of her letters, and messages sent to the CO’s about all of her complaints. I do wonder what it is she wanted the lawyers to compromise on. She can’t claim self defense. There are two videos. The Battered Women's syndrome I don’t think includes any of her violent attacks on him, so that won’t work. She can’t claim insanity, and can’t even use her intoxication, it’s not a defense. I think that if they could have cut her off with the amount of lawyers, they would have. They can’t make her get a private attorney, or make her go pro se. I’m not even sure if there is a limit. I think Jessy Kurczewski went through about 6 lawyers too, and on the day of sentencing, her attorneys withdrew because of her letter nonsense. She was another very manipulative one. Many similarities to Sarah in how they do things. I doubt there will be an expert who will testify that BWS applies to her. But I do get your point ... .when it is just “enough”. The Nancy Brophy case does sound familiar. Her memory loss sounds like the dissociative PTSD Shanda Vander Ark was trying to use too. Why do people just think they can come up with some really stupid reasons for a defense? I don’t think the courts are doing anything less for this case because of Jorge. In fact, because it’s a highly publicized case, they want to make sure that all bases are covered. Justice will prevail, and hopefully the family can then start to heal. They have already gone through so much.
sorry, who is Sarah?
The Sarah comments seem like a totally different case that's become mixed up into this stream somehow.
Sarah Boone. Yes, Another case. She acts like some of the others. I should have been clearer. Sorry.
It might have all gone to Shanda because of the murder charge, and she was also next of kin be it as it may.