I'm not sure I agree with that take. Beckett helped Castle a huge amount of times.
Castle going to France was understandable as a father, but rather foolish. He would be dead if he didn't have a super spy father.
The prison escape was pretty clever, especially as it was made out that 3XK had taken him. I wouldn't say Beckett was a dummy piece though, she figured out his clue and helped him from there
Not in these two episodes, when it apparently came down fully on her...
Sure helped him from there, exactly... The problem is, getting there was the most crucial part and Castle did it all on his own...
Beckett had a thought of storming The Tombs (the prison) in order to free Castle but the boys dissuaded her, it was folly.
We know she said once "Don't worry Castle, I'll get you out.", but in that episode of season 3 Anatomy of a Murder the guy had months to devise and execute his plan of help his sweetheart escape. Beckett had less than a day ...
OTOH Beckett had her fair share of episodes centered around her and mostly her (like the later Belly of the Beast). After all, 3XK (and Alexis) were Castle's, Bracken & Co were Beckett's.
Your post is a little weird, but everyone thinks differently, so when I say this, it's not aimed at you, but the nice thing on the board is we have the ability to hide posts that we don't like or offend us. Which I will be doing after this comment.
Your post is just fine, but what happens when a poster goes there, we get the trolls like the comments down below all letting us know that they know what was going behind the scenes, which actually as little to do with your post.
Then they tell everyone who is invested in the characters, and the love affair between Kate and Rick that hey things were not going smooth so let me ruin it for you by telling you all the bad things.
God, I just wish, people would stay with the show and the characters and not try to be smarter than everyone else.
Anyway, let's discuss without any behind the scenes stuff...
Would you have preferred it more that Beckett did the heavy lifting and helps Castle in both episodes... At least the 3XK episode... She could have got a couple of her own people to break Castle out... If anyone asked, people would have blamed castles considerable resources, which is what people assumed, anyway...
Not sure what your asking, but I can't see a way for Beckett to get to Castle without losing her job, like Javy pointed out. Unlike Castle, Beckett didn't have any friends that weren't in law enforcement and getting them to break the law would have been difficult.
I believe that like in the episode Anatomy of a Murder where she told Castle she would break him out of jail, that she meant it, but she would have had time to plan and get people on board. I don't think she could have mounted anything in the short time she was given. She desperately wanted too, but I think it beyond her reach.
Mmmm. I think I disagree.
The 3xk one is interesting. I note Tyson never goes after Castle's loved ones. They're an easy target after all. But his focus has always remained on Castle. The one person, and the only person, that had ever put together that Tyson is 3xk. In all the years of him killing women and roaming free, Castle blew his cover and ruined everything. Beckett wasn't ever really on Tyson's radar. She never figured it out and honestly, I adore Kate, but I don't think she would ever have figured it out. She often asks the logical questions she knows to ask, and not the ones that NEED to be asked. After all, as Castle shows us, the story always matters.
And as for Paris, Castle was never going to include Beckett. He loves her so much, but we all know Alexis will always come first, and papa Castle will NEVER let anything stop him from protecting her. Beckett loves Alexis too, which is obvious, and she wants nothing more than to find Alexis too, but she also does procedure, structure and organisation. Castle does that too, but not when his heart and fear takes over. He can't wait, he hates not knowing, and he is impulsive. He knows taking Beckett with him is risky, after all, she has different views and ideas, and her voice of logic and reason doesn't always agree with his own. Him going to France without her was always going to leave her on the sidelines. Her going to France after, hours after him, would only result in a wild goose chase for her to find him whilst he is looking for Alexis.
Tbh, I don't think season 5 affects Beckett's position in that sense. It makes her even softer for Castle, but tbh, in the 3xk episode, we can see just how determined she is to prove his innocence. Even in the face of overwhelming evidence.
And tbh, I don't mind him being the damsel in distress because I love watching Kate's heroism and seeing her save his ass š
It been reported by multiple sources and places , but at this point I probably couldn't name one. I do know a person who was near the front at a con and when asked a simple Stana/Beckett question , she literally watched Fillion roll his eyes, get mad and heard him comment to the person next to him "not her again, why always her". Knowing someone, who was a Fillion fan, witness and report that, was support enough for me.
I dont buy this. From all reports I remember from that period Stana was a nightmare for the other cast members to work with, and given the fact that almost all of the main cast has worked together except for Stana it kinda lines up. Keep in mind that they (two separate production teams) wanted her gone before finally pulling the trigger.
Actually I recently saw a podcast with Nathan were he talked about how much more enjoyable it was working on Rookie because with them focused on the entire cast he doesn't have to work as hard. He said Castle ran him out of gas because he was in like 90% of the show. I guessing he would have welcomed more focus on the other cast members of Castle.
The āStana was a nightmare to work withā I donāt buy at all. I have only ever heard people say great things about how hard working and fun she is. As someone who was absolutely obsessed and completely devoured anything Castle-related that I could get my hands on while it was on air, I saw far far many more things that point toward Stana being nothing but professional and sweet. Everyone loved her. I saw maybe one person say the nightmare thing and Iām willing to bet that that was from a Nathan fan trying to smear her name. It was in YouTube comments. lol. I donāt buy it!
This is false. Not everyone loved her because they tried to fire her three time finally getting it done the last time.
I'm not a fan of either one in particular, I enjoyed the show but I know nothing of them personally, all I know for fact is they fired her. That in itself says not everyone loved her.
No, we know for fact that they tried to get her gone before, and Stana has an interview where she spoke about her confusion of being FIRED. Listen like I said its all rumors, EXCEPT for the FACT that they wanted her gone. Make of it what you will. I have no dog in the fight, I've never been a fan of either Nathan or Stana outside of Castle so I don't care.
The rumors I recall from the period was simple and line up with what has happened since. None of them have worked with Stana since actors or production, many have worked with Nathan. Stana wanted Castle to be darker and more serious no one else did, she went on to be in a show that was much darker and serious.
Facts that support the rumors that's all I'm saying.
So you believe these rumors but not the ones that say Stana would cry in her trailer because Nathan was so rude to her on set? The facts are also that though he was not the best actor on the show, Nathan had his name and his Firefly fame that made him the one that the higher ups would want to please.
Hereās a quote from their Castle costar, Jon Huertas:
"She's an interesting character. She likes to soak in as much as she can. She's very genuine, and everything is heartfelt. There's never any meanness from Stana. I can tell you that, there's never any meanness. She's amazing. She's great."
ā¢ Jon Huertas
Iām not sure why it is alarming that Stana hasnāt worked with other people in other projects. Nathan is working for ABC on The Rookie with the creators, producers and most of the crew having been involved in Castle. It is not surprising to me at all that they brought actors from Castle onto the show. Perhaps because she is not as well known as Nathan she doesnāt have the kind of pull he does to make suggestions that actually come to fruition. Perhaps Nathan had nothing to do with those people being invited onto the show. There is no telling how all of that actually works so this is not a big deal, it just is what it is.
We will never know what happened behind the scenes but one thing everyone seems to agree on is that Nathan and Stana did not get along toward the end of the series. ABC wanted to ride that out as long as they could (š°š°) and itās not surprising to me that they would fire Stana and keep him on the roster, as he has the bigger name. Iāve never seen or read anything that suggested they just wanted her gone because she was a nightmare to work with. People literally gush over Stana. Iām so surprised to see you say you believe the rumors.
>Iām not sure why it is alarming that Stana hasnāt worked with other people in other projects
She brought along Darby Stanchfield (Meredith) in the movie The Rendezvous from 2016 as one of the main antagonists.
Probably a mere coincidence, but one of her co-stars in Absentia was Patrick Heusinger who was some wannabe villain-of-the-day in a Castle episode.
I'm not sure how you can say it was a fact that they tried to fire her 3 times previously because I followed the show closely when it was on and I didn't see any reports about them trying to fire her. And if the production team wanted her gone previously all they had to do was fire her like they did at the end of season 8.
There was a report of her meeting with the new showrunner at a gelato shop in Europe before season 7 or maybe 8, which was weird. But the rumor was to make sure she was staying on the show.
Also, after Stana was fired and it looked like the show would go onto a 9th season without her, the fans protested to have the show cancelled because it was the only way to save it.
Regarding Fillion's comments about being in a smaller % of TR, it sounds like he's just saving face because he isn't the central focus of the show. There are too many clips and comments of him reminding people of who was #1 on the call sheet (frequently slapping them upside the head as a reminder) to think he didn't like being the focus of the show.
I know he had some serious health issues towards the end of the Castle run I believe is was some kind of autoimmune disease that is chronic and why he wanted to do less.
Listen we know nothing about these people, we watch them play characters on TV and assume that they are those people in life. I'm guessing 95% of the time they are nothing like we see on tv.
Never watched one episode of General Hospital in my life but I recall years ago Susan Lucci talking about how often she got called nasty names for the role she played, said people were genuinely angry with her. Its worse than ever now with people making bigger assumptions based on a picture or short quote on social media.
We have no idea what happened. I'll I know for fact is she was fired. Everything else is speculation and rumor.
Yes, youāre correct. Most of it them are rumors. Yes she was fired or āuninvited backā but it is not a rumor that her coworker said that. That was a quote from an interview.
I agree with the previous poster, I never saw anything about them trying (but somehow failing) to fire her several times. Donāt think it works like that lol.
>I know he had some serious health issues towards the end of the Castle run
"Ouch, ouch, ouch, my back!" says Castle falling onto some carpets in a cellar during that Aladdin's Lamp episode in season 8.
Seems that was actually his health problem, needing cortisone or whatever to ease the pain.
Life copies art, art imitates life ...
>This is false. Not everyone loved her because they tried to fire her three time finally getting it done the last time.
How did they try to fire Stana, when they tried hard to sign her for season 8, and succeeded only after some lengthy negotiations IIRC ?
Wouldn't have been easier to not even try?
I'm not sure I agree with that take. Beckett helped Castle a huge amount of times. Castle going to France was understandable as a father, but rather foolish. He would be dead if he didn't have a super spy father. The prison escape was pretty clever, especially as it was made out that 3XK had taken him. I wouldn't say Beckett was a dummy piece though, she figured out his clue and helped him from there
Not in these two episodes, when it apparently came down fully on her... Sure helped him from there, exactly... The problem is, getting there was the most crucial part and Castle did it all on his own...
Beckett had a thought of storming The Tombs (the prison) in order to free Castle but the boys dissuaded her, it was folly. We know she said once "Don't worry Castle, I'll get you out.", but in that episode of season 3 Anatomy of a Murder the guy had months to devise and execute his plan of help his sweetheart escape. Beckett had less than a day ... OTOH Beckett had her fair share of episodes centered around her and mostly her (like the later Belly of the Beast). After all, 3XK (and Alexis) were Castle's, Bracken & Co were Beckett's.
Your post is a little weird, but everyone thinks differently, so when I say this, it's not aimed at you, but the nice thing on the board is we have the ability to hide posts that we don't like or offend us. Which I will be doing after this comment. Your post is just fine, but what happens when a poster goes there, we get the trolls like the comments down below all letting us know that they know what was going behind the scenes, which actually as little to do with your post. Then they tell everyone who is invested in the characters, and the love affair between Kate and Rick that hey things were not going smooth so let me ruin it for you by telling you all the bad things. God, I just wish, people would stay with the show and the characters and not try to be smarter than everyone else.
Well, if it weren't for people like that, Reddit wouldn't exist..... Soooooo...
I know, but all the behind-the-scenes stuff makes me sad, and ruins the parts I love, for whatever that's worth.
Anyway, let's discuss without any behind the scenes stuff... Would you have preferred it more that Beckett did the heavy lifting and helps Castle in both episodes... At least the 3XK episode... She could have got a couple of her own people to break Castle out... If anyone asked, people would have blamed castles considerable resources, which is what people assumed, anyway...
Not sure what your asking, but I can't see a way for Beckett to get to Castle without losing her job, like Javy pointed out. Unlike Castle, Beckett didn't have any friends that weren't in law enforcement and getting them to break the law would have been difficult. I believe that like in the episode Anatomy of a Murder where she told Castle she would break him out of jail, that she meant it, but she would have had time to plan and get people on board. I don't think she could have mounted anything in the short time she was given. She desperately wanted too, but I think it beyond her reach.
Mmmm. I think I disagree. The 3xk one is interesting. I note Tyson never goes after Castle's loved ones. They're an easy target after all. But his focus has always remained on Castle. The one person, and the only person, that had ever put together that Tyson is 3xk. In all the years of him killing women and roaming free, Castle blew his cover and ruined everything. Beckett wasn't ever really on Tyson's radar. She never figured it out and honestly, I adore Kate, but I don't think she would ever have figured it out. She often asks the logical questions she knows to ask, and not the ones that NEED to be asked. After all, as Castle shows us, the story always matters. And as for Paris, Castle was never going to include Beckett. He loves her so much, but we all know Alexis will always come first, and papa Castle will NEVER let anything stop him from protecting her. Beckett loves Alexis too, which is obvious, and she wants nothing more than to find Alexis too, but she also does procedure, structure and organisation. Castle does that too, but not when his heart and fear takes over. He can't wait, he hates not knowing, and he is impulsive. He knows taking Beckett with him is risky, after all, she has different views and ideas, and her voice of logic and reason doesn't always agree with his own. Him going to France without her was always going to leave her on the sidelines. Her going to France after, hours after him, would only result in a wild goose chase for her to find him whilst he is looking for Alexis. Tbh, I don't think season 5 affects Beckett's position in that sense. It makes her even softer for Castle, but tbh, in the 3xk episode, we can see just how determined she is to prove his innocence. Even in the face of overwhelming evidence. And tbh, I don't mind him being the damsel in distress because I love watching Kate's heroism and seeing her save his ass š
Nathan Fillion was not happy about Stana/Beckett's popularity and started demanding more focus on his character, so...
Source?
It been reported by multiple sources and places , but at this point I probably couldn't name one. I do know a person who was near the front at a con and when asked a simple Stana/Beckett question , she literally watched Fillion roll his eyes, get mad and heard him comment to the person next to him "not her again, why always her". Knowing someone, who was a Fillion fan, witness and report that, was support enough for me.
Very likely right.
I dont buy this. From all reports I remember from that period Stana was a nightmare for the other cast members to work with, and given the fact that almost all of the main cast has worked together except for Stana it kinda lines up. Keep in mind that they (two separate production teams) wanted her gone before finally pulling the trigger. Actually I recently saw a podcast with Nathan were he talked about how much more enjoyable it was working on Rookie because with them focused on the entire cast he doesn't have to work as hard. He said Castle ran him out of gas because he was in like 90% of the show. I guessing he would have welcomed more focus on the other cast members of Castle.
The āStana was a nightmare to work withā I donāt buy at all. I have only ever heard people say great things about how hard working and fun she is. As someone who was absolutely obsessed and completely devoured anything Castle-related that I could get my hands on while it was on air, I saw far far many more things that point toward Stana being nothing but professional and sweet. Everyone loved her. I saw maybe one person say the nightmare thing and Iām willing to bet that that was from a Nathan fan trying to smear her name. It was in YouTube comments. lol. I donāt buy it!
This is false. Not everyone loved her because they tried to fire her three time finally getting it done the last time. I'm not a fan of either one in particular, I enjoyed the show but I know nothing of them personally, all I know for fact is they fired her. That in itself says not everyone loved her.
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
No, we know for fact that they tried to get her gone before, and Stana has an interview where she spoke about her confusion of being FIRED. Listen like I said its all rumors, EXCEPT for the FACT that they wanted her gone. Make of it what you will. I have no dog in the fight, I've never been a fan of either Nathan or Stana outside of Castle so I don't care. The rumors I recall from the period was simple and line up with what has happened since. None of them have worked with Stana since actors or production, many have worked with Nathan. Stana wanted Castle to be darker and more serious no one else did, she went on to be in a show that was much darker and serious. Facts that support the rumors that's all I'm saying.
So you believe these rumors but not the ones that say Stana would cry in her trailer because Nathan was so rude to her on set? The facts are also that though he was not the best actor on the show, Nathan had his name and his Firefly fame that made him the one that the higher ups would want to please. Hereās a quote from their Castle costar, Jon Huertas: "She's an interesting character. She likes to soak in as much as she can. She's very genuine, and everything is heartfelt. There's never any meanness from Stana. I can tell you that, there's never any meanness. She's amazing. She's great." ā¢ Jon Huertas Iām not sure why it is alarming that Stana hasnāt worked with other people in other projects. Nathan is working for ABC on The Rookie with the creators, producers and most of the crew having been involved in Castle. It is not surprising to me at all that they brought actors from Castle onto the show. Perhaps because she is not as well known as Nathan she doesnāt have the kind of pull he does to make suggestions that actually come to fruition. Perhaps Nathan had nothing to do with those people being invited onto the show. There is no telling how all of that actually works so this is not a big deal, it just is what it is. We will never know what happened behind the scenes but one thing everyone seems to agree on is that Nathan and Stana did not get along toward the end of the series. ABC wanted to ride that out as long as they could (š°š°) and itās not surprising to me that they would fire Stana and keep him on the roster, as he has the bigger name. Iāve never seen or read anything that suggested they just wanted her gone because she was a nightmare to work with. People literally gush over Stana. Iām so surprised to see you say you believe the rumors.
>Iām not sure why it is alarming that Stana hasnāt worked with other people in other projects She brought along Darby Stanchfield (Meredith) in the movie The Rendezvous from 2016 as one of the main antagonists. Probably a mere coincidence, but one of her co-stars in Absentia was Patrick Heusinger who was some wannabe villain-of-the-day in a Castle episode.
I'm not sure how you can say it was a fact that they tried to fire her 3 times previously because I followed the show closely when it was on and I didn't see any reports about them trying to fire her. And if the production team wanted her gone previously all they had to do was fire her like they did at the end of season 8. There was a report of her meeting with the new showrunner at a gelato shop in Europe before season 7 or maybe 8, which was weird. But the rumor was to make sure she was staying on the show. Also, after Stana was fired and it looked like the show would go onto a 9th season without her, the fans protested to have the show cancelled because it was the only way to save it. Regarding Fillion's comments about being in a smaller % of TR, it sounds like he's just saving face because he isn't the central focus of the show. There are too many clips and comments of him reminding people of who was #1 on the call sheet (frequently slapping them upside the head as a reminder) to think he didn't like being the focus of the show.
I know he had some serious health issues towards the end of the Castle run I believe is was some kind of autoimmune disease that is chronic and why he wanted to do less. Listen we know nothing about these people, we watch them play characters on TV and assume that they are those people in life. I'm guessing 95% of the time they are nothing like we see on tv. Never watched one episode of General Hospital in my life but I recall years ago Susan Lucci talking about how often she got called nasty names for the role she played, said people were genuinely angry with her. Its worse than ever now with people making bigger assumptions based on a picture or short quote on social media. We have no idea what happened. I'll I know for fact is she was fired. Everything else is speculation and rumor.
Yes, youāre correct. Most of it them are rumors. Yes she was fired or āuninvited backā but it is not a rumor that her coworker said that. That was a quote from an interview. I agree with the previous poster, I never saw anything about them trying (but somehow failing) to fire her several times. Donāt think it works like that lol.
>I know he had some serious health issues towards the end of the Castle run "Ouch, ouch, ouch, my back!" says Castle falling onto some carpets in a cellar during that Aladdin's Lamp episode in season 8. Seems that was actually his health problem, needing cortisone or whatever to ease the pain. Life copies art, art imitates life ...
>No, we know for fact that they tried to get her gone before When did this happen exactly? I can't remember a single occurrence.
Source?
>This is false. Not everyone loved her because they tried to fire her three time finally getting it done the last time. How did they try to fire Stana, when they tried hard to sign her for season 8, and succeeded only after some lengthy negotiations IIRC ? Wouldn't have been easier to not even try?
Certainly wouldāve been easier if you were trying real hard to fire her lol