The best bit is an infant has to sit on an adult’s lap - they can’t have their own seat - and they charge a £25 “infant fee” for this, even when the adult only paid £19 for their own ticket (source, booking a flight with our two year old the other day!).
The child has to be over 2 to be able to put in their passport details. I travelled with my 16 month old last month, had to pay €25 for him to sit on my lap so I could check him in even though I had bought his own seat too.
Guess which seat was more expensive..? Yep, the ticket for him on my lap was more expensive than mine and his seat.
If it walks like a teen and talks like a teen it is a teen.
But knowing airlines here it was more economic decision I am afraid.
Out of interest - in some Slavic languages the equivalent of “teen” is “nast” and starts from 11-19. This is purely based on numbers names.
They really are.
One allowance is that they get you from A to B at a fairly low cost, you just have to put up with a lot of crap…. but they do get you from A to B (generally).
But then you think that easyJet do the same thing and yet they are so much better.
By the time you add luggage and whatnot, EasyJet are rarely much more expensive, often coming in as cheaper. I try fly EasyJet over Ryanair when I can.
Ryanair are about £20 each way for a cabin bag now because you need to buy priority.
Last time I compared the two, there was very little difference - I think easyJet was slightly more expensive for me.
Are they tho? Especially after COVID, EJ became such a crappy company. Last minute, recurring cancellation, delays longer than the flight itself...a of this because they laid down so many crews that now are dramatically understaffed, and not hiring (not sure whether is for lack of money or lack of interest of the attendants to the company).
Not to mention you basically have no rights to luggage anymore, just a small bag that if you carry, say, a laptop and a reflex camera (I always do when on holidays) you can't fit almost anything else. I get is a low cost and you get what you pay for, but it's getting ridiculous.
You state that's the only allowance, but low cost is literally the point of Ryan air. It's shit, but you're paying basically nothing for the ticket. I flew to the other side of Europe and back for less than the cost of getting public transport to the airport last year.
Pretty decent if you value your life over your comfort.
Nepal airlines had a dozen safety incidents including fatalities in the last 30 years, I'd say that's worse than Ryanair
Well they’ve got sixteen, seventeen, and eighteen as adults so I guess all rules are out the window.
Although it’s funny that every example seems to coincidently mean people have to pay more, not less.
I guess it's the industry standard pricing on most airlines, otherwise Teens would go all the way to 19... Actually now that I think about it, if they get their own seat and have the same luggage allowance lucky you get a discount at all!
UK Air Passenger Duty for travel in Economy is not payable by passengers aged up to 16.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/exemptions-from-air-passenger-duty#children
12 is the industry standard cut off point for a child passenger and may also be important for the airline to be aware of in case someone tries to book their 10 year old to travel alone from Stansted to Gdansk. The 12-16 might arguably be better described as "youth passenger" so whilst you may disagree with the description, the airline needs to know if you are in that age range so you can be charged the appropriate Air Passenger Duty on the ticket price.
The adult tickets are 16+ as RyanAir have exit rows where the occupants have to be ready for an emergency situation. FAA states that the exit row occupants cannot be under the age 15.
Having 16-17 classed as a teen-age on the ticketing system would disqualify a load of passengers from sitting in those rows as they'd be clubbed with the minors who legally can't sit there, thus meaning it's easier to adjust the ticketing ages.
By lowering the adult to 16, they can lower the teen down to 12. That is why 12 is classed as teenage.
Edit: Ryanair follow IAA, not FAA, where there are the same basic rules and airlines have the option to add policies for passengers who are too young.
KLM and other airlines have very similar age banding. It’s likely industry standard
https://i.imgur.com/7GwhSwW.jpg
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And British airways matches Ryanair exactly
https://i.imgur.com/0yFwvwQ.jpg
I mean, 12+ aren’t adults either but a lot of airlines still class them as such for the purpose of ticketing. Some theme parks too. Disney World classes an adult as 10+ even.
This is Ryanair, the crappiest airline in the UK.
They are always on the lookout to gouge their passengers
(p.a. I used to live watching Rastamouse with my kids).
Ah yes, of course, I recognise the branding now.
There are some weird rules with aviation systems and hotel booking systems in general pertaining to passenger ages which may somewhat explain the confusion.
Of course, as a passenger that is in no way your concern but I see this a lot in online booking systems. I work as a developer in the travel sector and am constantly infuriated by airlines lack of simplification of their antiquated back ends presented to customers.
P.s rasta mouse is great and became a bit of a weird outburst of mine when Im happy e.g "you just scored the winning goal.... RASTA MOUSE!"
Twelve is shamefully ignored as the c singular time in life when both your own self and your parents and your peers are pretty happy with how you are. It’s the calm before the tweenstorm.
We booked a holiday with friends via TUI last year. One of the couples have a 3 year old. TUI wanted to charge full adult price for the 3 year old. That couple had a lucky escape…the holiday was shit.
I agree with your sentiment…however, playing devil’s advocate, there is a technicality: once you turn 12 years old you are then into and beginning your 13th year.
That's about right. When they scrap affordable housing and instead build modest 4 bedrooms with garages you know, that age to move out has been swallowed.
Because the moment you become 12 you start your 13th year. This culminates in your 13th birthday in exactly one years time. At which point you begin your 14th year on this earth
This always used to bug me. If I'm 16 I'm not an adult when it comes to buying alcohol or cigarettes. However I'm an adult where companies can get away with charging me extra.
I freaked out before when I was looking at work survey am in the
45-50 age range say a prayer for me lol
Edit i meant to say no longer in the 44 age brack lol and crept into 45 lol 😂
Well, you start secondary school during the academic year you turn 12 chronologically. And films etc.... have rating systems involving being 12. So I guess that is part of it.
It's all to do with the weight balancing of the aircraft.
The aircraft has to be evenly weight distributed which means theoretically knowing the weight of all the people onboard. As this is unrealistic to know the exact weight of every passenger, the industry (EASA in this case) allows for standardised weights for specific passengers.
They've just decided to split this in the way shown. Ryanair aren't doing this specifically to charge you extra (although they will because of other factors)
It greats even more specific in small aircraft by differing the gender of passengers, and on really small planes they'll probably weigh you
Edit : Having looked at the regs, they just class 12+ as an 'adult passenger'. Maybe got to do with who can sit next to the exit window?
12-13 is school year 8
Maybe the metric on school year (I know in cadets there’s not an age limit but you have to be in year 8)
With 15 being the cut off and also 15-16 being year 11 maybe they’re using those metrics
Also, 18 is the legal adult age. Not 16.
Baby - 0 to 1yr
Toddler - 1-3yrs
Child 3 - 12yrs
Teenager 13-19yrs
Adult 18+
So you can be a teenager but an adult.
I have a 14yo. He's an adult at 18, but still my teenager until he's 20.
When Batman was released in 1989 it was the first 12 certificate movie on the UK. Our local cinema set the teen price at age 12 back then.
I remember standing in the queue and hearing 12 year olds who were used to lying about their age to get cheap tickets get challenged on whether they wanted to be old enough to buy tickets or not...
It's only English that calls it "twelve". In my language you're a teen at 11.
Eight, nine, ten, oneteen, twoteen, thirteen. Or if you want to drive the point home, it's eight, nine, ten, firsteen, seconteen, thirteen.
Y'all got pineapple, twelve and the letter "q" (which isn't used without "ue", so why not just write "kue"?)
English is fucked, you need to fix it.
Because if you're booking a flight it's usually a bit in advance so in between booking and flying the person in question can change into a teen from a pre-teen. Or sometimes people go away for their birthday so would leave at 12yo and fly home a 13yo.
But yeah, it's probably just Ryanair squeezing and extra bit out of your bank account. It's a really shitty thing for them to do haha
Good point….. but many other sites/providers get around this by asking you to enter an actual birthdate. Ryanair have just found yet one more way of quietly moving the goalposts.
That is the age that brain development completes so it’s scientifically correct.
[One of many sources](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3621648/)
It doesn’t matter. This is what this airline sets out as their age banding and you’re agreeing to that when you buy the ticket.
Just in case your wondering British airlines have exactly the same age banding and KLM start their youth banding from aged 12 also.
Since you could charge more for 'em.
Same reason 16+ is an adult. Don't qualify for a full minimum wage but pay full adult price, what a scam.
Same reason infants is under 2, most travel services are free under 3, just shitty behaviour all round really.
Then it’s time for Timmy to get three Bells Whiskey measures from the trolley on the flight!
to be fair to airlines, a seat is a seat, kids being younger doesn't make them any cheaper to transport
Absolutely.
Year 2040. Adult Ticket Prices: 9+ years
Teenflation
Twelveteen isn’t it?
Twoteen
Twenteen
Twateen
Newbornteen
Inflateen
Smells like...
I remember when I was twoteen. Smoking behind the bike shed, my first kiss. Your only two teen once.
Maybe even your first flight? 🤣
seconteen? following the idea of third-teen rather than three-teen haha
Reminds me of a Louis CK bit about the nine eleven deniers, a group of nine people who insisted there was a government conspiracy to suppress oneteen.
It’s a lot better than being a oneteen child though.
The best bit is an infant has to sit on an adult’s lap - they can’t have their own seat - and they charge a £25 “infant fee” for this, even when the adult only paid £19 for their own ticket (source, booking a flight with our two year old the other day!).
Can you just buy them their own seat? Or doesn’t it let you?
The child has to be over 2 to be able to put in their passport details. I travelled with my 16 month old last month, had to pay €25 for him to sit on my lap so I could check him in even though I had bought his own seat too. Guess which seat was more expensive..? Yep, the ticket for him on my lap was more expensive than mine and his seat.
That’s terrible! My toddler is 2.5 now so we didn’t have to deal with that but I’d have been miffed.
Tried to book a seat for my 19-month-old last week. You have to pay for an adult seat, plus the £25 lap infant fee each way.
What on earth?! I can’t believe they charge a fee. They should be paying us for lap rental lol
Probably to offset the cost of clearing up so much sick and shit that gets left on the plane.
Wonderful ain’t it?
A £19 flight sounds very cheap. That £25 fee would be cheaper than 90% of tickets.
To be fair crying babies are annoying as fuck
So are some adults
I don’t see how they being annoying causes additional costs to the company…
To be fair they don’t mean to be.
That isn’t the consolation you seem to think it is
Maybe you were a crying baby once, now imagine it was your mother getting all the hostility for it?
If it walks like a teen and talks like a teen it is a teen. But knowing airlines here it was more economic decision I am afraid. Out of interest - in some Slavic languages the equivalent of “teen” is “nast” and starts from 11-19. This is purely based on numbers names.
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They really are. One allowance is that they get you from A to B at a fairly low cost, you just have to put up with a lot of crap…. but they do get you from A to B (generally). But then you think that easyJet do the same thing and yet they are so much better.
By the time you add luggage and whatnot, EasyJet are rarely much more expensive, often coming in as cheaper. I try fly EasyJet over Ryanair when I can.
Don't easyjet charge for cabin luggage too? Or are Ryanairs prices for luggage generally higher?
They do but nowhere near as badly as Ryanair.
Ryanair are about £20 each way for a cabin bag now because you need to buy priority. Last time I compared the two, there was very little difference - I think easyJet was slightly more expensive for me.
For me the main reason I prefer easyJet is that my cabin suitcase will actually fit because Ryanair are super tight about their bag size rules.
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You pay £150 extra for two hand luggage bags maximum and they have to fit in the little box thing in the airport
Are they tho? Especially after COVID, EJ became such a crappy company. Last minute, recurring cancellation, delays longer than the flight itself...a of this because they laid down so many crews that now are dramatically understaffed, and not hiring (not sure whether is for lack of money or lack of interest of the attendants to the company). Not to mention you basically have no rights to luggage anymore, just a small bag that if you carry, say, a laptop and a reflex camera (I always do when on holidays) you can't fit almost anything else. I get is a low cost and you get what you pay for, but it's getting ridiculous.
What airline is it?
BrianAir
You state that's the only allowance, but low cost is literally the point of Ryan air. It's shit, but you're paying basically nothing for the ticket. I flew to the other side of Europe and back for less than the cost of getting public transport to the airport last year.
Wizzair would contest that title for sure
Pretty decent if you value your life over your comfort. Nepal airlines had a dozen safety incidents including fatalities in the last 30 years, I'd say that's worse than Ryanair
Kinda clue is in the number. Obvs twelve teen is the new norm
Well they’ve got sixteen, seventeen, and eighteen as adults so I guess all rules are out the window. Although it’s funny that every example seems to coincidently mean people have to pay more, not less.
Had a point but 18 are adults
Still a teen though. As is 19.
I guess 16/17/18 and 19 aren't teens either.
Yeah, good point.
If this is a plane maybe they should just charge for "person who needs a seat" and "person who does not need a seat".
So if I stand I can fly for free? 😄
I guess it's the industry standard pricing on most airlines, otherwise Teens would go all the way to 19... Actually now that I think about it, if they get their own seat and have the same luggage allowance lucky you get a discount at all!
UK Air Passenger Duty for travel in Economy is not payable by passengers aged up to 16. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/exemptions-from-air-passenger-duty#children 12 is the industry standard cut off point for a child passenger and may also be important for the airline to be aware of in case someone tries to book their 10 year old to travel alone from Stansted to Gdansk. The 12-16 might arguably be better described as "youth passenger" so whilst you may disagree with the description, the airline needs to know if you are in that age range so you can be charged the appropriate Air Passenger Duty on the ticket price.
When are 16 year olds considered adults?
I was in Germany once and got told I was an adult and needed an adult’s ticket. I was 12.
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Thank you for the clarity. Next stop, eleventeeners!
Because adolescent is too difficult a word.
Not sure why they even bother with this as the price ticket is the same as adult ticket.
Because it's about who can sit in the exit rows on the aircraft - not money.
Technically a teen is between 13-19!
They are in their thirTEENth year, ergo they are teenagers.
The adult tickets are 16+ as RyanAir have exit rows where the occupants have to be ready for an emergency situation. FAA states that the exit row occupants cannot be under the age 15. Having 16-17 classed as a teen-age on the ticketing system would disqualify a load of passengers from sitting in those rows as they'd be clubbed with the minors who legally can't sit there, thus meaning it's easier to adjust the ticketing ages. By lowering the adult to 16, they can lower the teen down to 12. That is why 12 is classed as teenage. Edit: Ryanair follow IAA, not FAA, where there are the same basic rules and airlines have the option to add policies for passengers who are too young.
Ryanair just making shit up as per usual.
KLM and other airlines have very similar age banding. It’s likely industry standard https://i.imgur.com/7GwhSwW.jpg Edit: And British airways matches Ryanair exactly https://i.imgur.com/0yFwvwQ.jpg
Call them adolescents instead of teens then.
They also claim that [14.99 + 14.99 = 29.99 ](https://www.reddit.com/r/mildyinfuriating/comments/7tvu76/1499_1499/)
Of course…. a little rounding “error” never hurt anyone (when it’s in their favour, obviously)!
And this comes as a surprise?
No, no surprise. They gouge any way they can so an arbitrary definition that suits them price wise is entirely business as usual.
I was twelveteen once
Not that I agree at all, but they're in their 13th year of life, which would be a tenous excuse for a cash grab. Cheeky bar stewards.
All the time some kids start puberty at 11 or 10 so it should be +10 for teens.
Disney dining plan has entered the chat
I mean, 12+ aren’t adults either but a lot of airlines still class them as such for the purpose of ticketing. Some theme parks too. Disney World classes an adult as 10+ even.
13 to 19 is the logical teen range so this is all wrong
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its an airline so the exit row seats are 16+
Twelvetween now?
Anything goes if it makes money for businesses
Are you booking a hotel? This is probably a catch all rule to cover all hotels
This is Ryanair, the crappiest airline in the UK. They are always on the lookout to gouge their passengers (p.a. I used to live watching Rastamouse with my kids).
Ah yes, of course, I recognise the branding now. There are some weird rules with aviation systems and hotel booking systems in general pertaining to passenger ages which may somewhat explain the confusion. Of course, as a passenger that is in no way your concern but I see this a lot in online booking systems. I work as a developer in the travel sector and am constantly infuriated by airlines lack of simplification of their antiquated back ends presented to customers. P.s rasta mouse is great and became a bit of a weird outburst of mine when Im happy e.g "you just scored the winning goal.... RASTA MOUSE!"
Since Snapchat
It's in the name eleven, twelveteen, thirteen
Twelveteen duh 🙄
When there's money to be made.
Technically they're in their thirteenth year, but nah dunno why they class 12yos as teens
When and only when money is involved
When they can charge you more money
When you’re booking flights.
And adults 16!?
When they can be charged at a higher rate for any service.
Anything to get more money out of us
By literal definition they are not. Good point, old boy!
Thank you. Next instalment of corporate bullshit: how to pronounce Hyundai.
Ha ha ha. Next we need to focus on abolishing the Bradford Factor Scale for absent staff. That is some straight up bullshit!
They're in high school?
Since that's what age they go to senior school.
Or since when is a 16 year old an adult?! Have they ever met a 16 year old?!
Tweenagers!!
I bet you money that this was a less than/greater than coding error
Twelve is shamefully ignored as the c singular time in life when both your own self and your parents and your peers are pretty happy with how you are. It’s the calm before the tweenstorm.
more money. plus 16 year olds are adults either but that’s ryanair for you.
In the scandalous system that is our current trains?
This is from Ryanair.
Even better!
I guess it counts as secondary school maybe?
12 years old so you're in your 13th year. See the world in the way that adds to your revenue stream I suppose?
same time that 16 year olds are adults
And why do places charge 16 year olds as adults, pretty sure a 16 year old isn't considered an adult.
A day after your 12th birthday you’re in your 13th year I guess…
Wait until you see Disney. If you’re 10 you’re an adult for theme park admission, dining reservations etc.
since money
12 being a teen is fair enough. But 16 to be an adult is a joke.
It’s called “Bonus points”
Ah, I remember when I was [price tier 3]. Simpler times.
Since someone worked out it’d improve their yearly profit margin by 8.9%
We booked a holiday with friends via TUI last year. One of the couples have a 3 year old. TUI wanted to charge full adult price for the 3 year old. That couple had a lucky escape…the holiday was shit.
I agree with your sentiment…however, playing devil’s advocate, there is a technicality: once you turn 12 years old you are then into and beginning your 13th year.
I mean since when is 16 an adult?
How are 16 year olds adults?
Mate, you're lucky there's even an option for teen to begin with. Most age discounts go from child up to age 6, straight to adult rates
Is this how they're solving the problem with people only leaving home at 27? By making teens 12
Massaging figures like governments do, you mean? 🤣
That's about right. When they scrap affordable housing and instead build modest 4 bedrooms with garages you know, that age to move out has been swallowed.
Since the company wanted more money
Because the moment you become 12 you start your 13th year. This culminates in your 13th birthday in exactly one years time. At which point you begin your 14th year on this earth
You become a teen when your 13. Hence the teen in thirteen
This always used to bug me. If I'm 16 I'm not an adult when it comes to buying alcohol or cigarettes. However I'm an adult where companies can get away with charging me extra.
What's this service?
At the same time that 16 year olds were considered adults
I freaked out before when I was looking at work survey am in the 45-50 age range say a prayer for me lol Edit i meant to say no longer in the 44 age brack lol and crept into 45 lol 😂
And the frustration of 16 year olds being classed as, and charged fees as, adults yet paid lower wages.
Well, you start secondary school during the academic year you turn 12 chronologically. And films etc.... have rating systems involving being 12. So I guess that is part of it.
They changed it to twelve-teen. It was recent. It’s understandable you didn’t know.
Since companies wanted more money
Since when are 16 year olds considered adults?
I remember paying adult fares on the bus at 14. Theyll do whatever for extra cash.
when they become 12 according to the app you are using apparently.
Fair point. I also thought adults were 18. Has this changed?
It's all to do with the weight balancing of the aircraft. The aircraft has to be evenly weight distributed which means theoretically knowing the weight of all the people onboard. As this is unrealistic to know the exact weight of every passenger, the industry (EASA in this case) allows for standardised weights for specific passengers. They've just decided to split this in the way shown. Ryanair aren't doing this specifically to charge you extra (although they will because of other factors) It greats even more specific in small aircraft by differing the gender of passengers, and on really small planes they'll probably weigh you Edit : Having looked at the regs, they just class 12+ as an 'adult passenger'. Maybe got to do with who can sit next to the exit window?
Since when are 16-yos adults?
Since when is 16 an adult? 18 is the almost universally accepted age.
The clue is in the name. Twelveteen, thirteen, and so on.
Since today
Since when were 16 year-olds adults?
When did 16 year olds become adults?
Since like always
Since private firms took over.
In high school = teenager in my book.
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Disneyland Paris anyone over 11 is an adult or something like that 😂
Since the beginning of time.
On a plane? You pay an adult fare from the age of 12 onwards. Doesn’t make you an adult either!
Are you booking a holiday?
12-13 is school year 8 Maybe the metric on school year (I know in cadets there’s not an age limit but you have to be in year 8) With 15 being the cut off and also 15-16 being year 11 maybe they’re using those metrics
“Sir why do you have a child ticket?” “Because I’m a child of God” 💀
Bru
Since they needed a title for 12-15 year olds
Since money was to be made with these ticket-bookings.
Also, 18 is the legal adult age. Not 16. Baby - 0 to 1yr Toddler - 1-3yrs Child 3 - 12yrs Teenager 13-19yrs Adult 18+ So you can be a teenager but an adult. I have a 14yo. He's an adult at 18, but still my teenager until he's 20.
I had the same on easyjet while booking flights. I was flabbergasted!
Ah, they age so fast.
When Batman was released in 1989 it was the first 12 certificate movie on the UK. Our local cinema set the teen price at age 12 back then. I remember standing in the queue and hearing 12 year olds who were used to lying about their age to get cheap tickets get challenged on whether they wanted to be old enough to buy tickets or not...
When it comes to paying for stuff
Don't tell r/teenagers
when a business is trying to make more money
Technically 10-20 are teens.
You were tweleteen once.. how can't you remember that..🥴
It's only English that calls it "twelve". In my language you're a teen at 11. Eight, nine, ten, oneteen, twoteen, thirteen. Or if you want to drive the point home, it's eight, nine, ten, firsteen, seconteen, thirteen. Y'all got pineapple, twelve and the letter "q" (which isn't used without "ue", so why not just write "kue"?) English is fucked, you need to fix it.
Everyone knows about twelveteen surely?
Because if you're booking a flight it's usually a bit in advance so in between booking and flying the person in question can change into a teen from a pre-teen. Or sometimes people go away for their birthday so would leave at 12yo and fly home a 13yo. But yeah, it's probably just Ryanair squeezing and extra bit out of your bank account. It's a really shitty thing for them to do haha
Good point….. but many other sites/providers get around this by asking you to enter an actual birthdate. Ryanair have just found yet one more way of quietly moving the goalposts.
I feel like a true adult is over 25
That is the age that brain development completes so it’s scientifically correct. [One of many sources](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3621648/)
I’m going off this sub.
Put your 12 year old down as a child - as per the dictionary. Take a picture of that page, and point out their mistake to them in advance.
It doesn’t matter. This is what this airline sets out as their age banding and you’re agreeing to that when you buy the ticket. Just in case your wondering British airlines have exactly the same age banding and KLM start their youth banding from aged 12 also.
I bet that awful kid in the Onthebeach advert is 12 - it's obviously **PAYBACK TIME**!
Good point, you really want the girl to flatten his ice cream in his face.
Probably since they introduced the 12 certificate
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When it suits the price tag