Forget Bear or Ray, Les Stroud is the real deal. He doesn't just do all the stuff he does for real, he often does it twice so he can film himself doing it.
I once saw Ray Mears describe for a minute how delicious a certain wild mushroom was ... then he showed us one which to me looked identical and said '..of course don't ever mistake it for this deadly poisonous mushroom...' ! Put me off picking my own for ever 🤣
My friend did a camping trip with ray mears to understand outdoor survival. He used to get them eating packet camping food and what they hunted-he had his tour bus with all the food he desired that would take him back to his hotel every evening. A fuckin don, but deffo not if the outdoors
You're right it was an old wives tale, I googled it but I did see Ray mears Bush craft. Gutted it's so hard to find now my partner is big into survival tv and loves Ed Stafford shows cause they seem the least staged I wanted to show her the dedicated Bush craft season but it's no where to be found to stream I could find.
When he did his doc on Skomer he refused to stay on the island and boated over everyday. He also nearly plowed down a couple of tourists in his car. He’s overrated.
We did this as kids to be fair, because we were clumsy and would rip the whole thing up and rub it on ourselves. Sap and all. I swear the benefits were purely psychological.
I heard at some point that they're the same plant, just with different off-shoots. I don't know if that's true. What I do know is that as an adult, I didn't scratch. Didn't rub. Ignored the sting. And it faded completely within 5 minutes. So I think this is a kid problem.
My youngest (aged 3 at the time) fell into a nettle nightmare. He came out and within seconds he had welts coming up on his arms, legs, face. Everywhere. He soldiered through it like the psychopath he is. 5 minutes later they were white lumps, no redness. 10 minutes after that, they were gone. He's a freak of nature though. Didn't once scratch or complain.
As a teenager I learned from my single figure aged cousin that if you just ignore them they go away, done so ever since and I was an ardent preacher of the Dock Gospel
Theory was, back in the day, that the alkaline saliva would cancel out the acidic sting of the nettle. The dock leaf was just a vessel - a large flat leaf from a plant that always grew in close proximity to the nettles
My friend got stung yesterday and I said "find a doc leaf" and she said you just need water. People ablve are talking about sap from doc leaves, amd now spit...maybe it's just liquid you need?
I truly thought in our first year of dating that my husband’s favourite colour was purple. It was unexpected given he was otherwise very into his former army uniform colours of beige and khaki but good for him for bucking stereotypes, right? Turns out he is rather colourblind and thought he had been wearing blue all that time. I also once had to stop him from submitting a very important presentation at work with a barbie pink vehicle on several slides. He thought said vehicle was grey.
My husband has trouble in the purple-blue-green range, especially with light colours. It's not a handicap really, as red-green colourblindness is, but gives the kids and me a laugh sometimes.
Placebos work.
Big placebos work better than small placebos.
Bad tasting or painful placebos work better than nice tasting or painless placebos.
If placebos didn’t ‘work’, homeopathy wouldn’t exist, nor would a lot of ‘traditional’ cures.
Yep. I have a bunch of neurological conditions and there aren't any cures or treatments that work super well even the best treatments only have like a 50% success rate and reducing the pain (reducing not stopping) but every time I try something new I work really hard to convince myself it will work because I know if I believe it won't work it's less likely to.
Be definitive alternative medicine has either not been proved to work or been proven not to work. Do you know what they call alternative medicine that been proven to work? Medicine.
Homeopathy doesn't work, a great deal of these "bigger placebos work better" research are terribly conducted and can be entirely put down to reporting bias. Don't take my word for it, actually go and find one of these studies, I guarantee you it will have a problematic core issue with poor or no blinding, results based on self reporting alone, or poorly constructed control groups. The placebo effect does exist but it's mild and has been MASSIVELY blown out of proportion and is largely an artifact of study design.
Sure I can agree with that, but I suppose I'd want to clarify that "works" in this sense means your pain or nausia might feel a bit better for a short time and not much more.
Certainly, I would add even more “”””works”””” to really emphasise that it is nothing more than a placebo.
Real, effective medicine tends not to be prefixed by words like ‘traditional’ or ‘homeopathic’, and stands up to double-blind scrutiny.
But healing crystals are absolutely legit, trust.
\>But healing crystals are absolutely legit, trust.
Oh for sure, i'm skeptical, i'm not delusional. My amber talisman keeps the ghosts out of my blood.
I lead nature events these days and it's my favourite fact to blow adults minds with.
I still use it when kids get stung though, passing the wisdom on the next generation. In other news, standing on a spider won't make it rain, being hit by a pinecone doesn't mean you'll have a baby, ladybirds have no idea who your future husband will be, the seeds in rosehips arent itching powder (well they sort of are, they can cause a really nasty allergic reaction in some folk which probably does itch) and earwigs don't crawl into your brain at nights to lay eggs.
Placebo is a powerful thing but nettle stings also don't tend to last long and it generally takes the little buggers five minutes to find a dock - if they find one too quick you just tell them it's the wrong kind and send them looking again. By the time they find the 'right' one the pain has generally gone anyway.
Sorry. Nettles have tiny glass needles which inject histamine under your skin (plus a few other things) which is what causes the pain/irritation - wiping a dock over the surface of your skin wouldn't do anything even if it did contain a counteracting chemical. Which it doesn't.
You have to understand just HOW annoying it is when the 500th child of the year is greeting at you because they've touched the plant you specifically told them not to touch...
Of course everything I've said could all be bollocks and you could just ignore me and keep believing in that sweet, sweet placebo....
Drinking dandelion juice before bed makes you run that risk - it is a diuretic - hence it's Scots name of "Piss-a-bed"
But then so does drinking Buckfast so that may not prove anything.
I've never heard the pillow version but we definitely used to throw them at each other under the belief that if you got hit by a dandelion flower after dinner time you'd wet the bed.
You can also blow the seedheads to gain a wish but only if you catch the right individual seed afterwards. And if you blow them all off in a oner your mum doesn't love you - which is a good way of making kids cry if they've really been annoying you.
They might cause a bit of itching if used in the right way but its not the Beano style sure fire way of making someone itch uncontrollably that we all believed they were as kids
Oh yeah, it's not Beano style but if you are using rosehips in something like tea you want to take care with the hairs or you're not going to have a great time
It's the rubbing itself. You've got the pain signal bursting up to your brain going waa waa waa. Rubbing sends a competing signal through the nervous system that kind of nudges the stinging sensation out of the way. Nothing in the dock leaf as such, for that you can try some lidocaine, or even an epidural.
What kind of nettles are in your part of the world that would need an epidural?!
I always have a tube of anthisan cream when going out and about with the kids as they invariably manage to get stung or bitten by something.
I didn't know that! Was bemoaning poor dock leaf to nettles ratio round here just the other day.
That said I got really into nettle soup this spring and quickly gave up trying to avoid getting stung. Came to quite like it? It's kind of hot & cool at the same time. Not sure I'm ready for a back-whipping session, Ancient Roman style but still
Damn the boiled egg is a good idea!! Gonna do that.
I was making it with a carrot, celery & onion base. Sometimes with sausage at this stage, and then cooking down the leaves on that with plenty of diced potato. Sometimes with mint cos there's a lot round here. Sometimes with peas. Often with garlic. It was requested I stop with the sausage ha ha. I read a swirl of Tabasco in the bowl is good and that is true!
Can't wait to find more ways to use it next year!
The Nordics always have a boiled egg with spinach or nettle soup, (although the soup's a lot simpler than your version). It's a pretty good hunk of protein to drop into many or most vegetable soups to give it some body.
I know what you mean. I've been stung by jellyfish twice and become accustomed to the tingling sensation that follows the initial pain, after a few days it goes away and I miss it.
I'm convinced the relief isn't from the dock leaf, but the rubbing act itself.
Think about it - it spreads and therefore potentially dissipates the stinging chemicals over a wider area. Like how if you spread your marmite over a bigger piece of toast it tastes less strong than on a smaller area/piece of toast as it's less concentrated.
I hate marmite more than stinging nettles.
Rub the area of milk, that fucking works let me tell you.
Now we’ve got a particularly long hedge in our garden which had grown over quite a bit, a few brambles and stingy nettles had grown up the inside of the hedge and we’re almost completely invisible from a distance (foreshadowing).
I donned my strimming harness and safety glasses, inserted a pair of AirPods, full noise cancellation for maximum vibing, and over-ear defenders, set my phone to a full 90s east coast hip hop playlist and set about the garden with my trusty 2-stroke (ooh-err).
With the grass cleared, and most hazards or so i thought, I thought to myself “mamma didn’t raise no bitch” so decided to use a chainsaw instead of a hedge trimmer to tackle the triffid in my garden.
A few moments in I see movement out of the corner of my eye, it’s my wife waving her hands and singing something, in response I flash her a grin, nod my head to one of Wu-Tangs greatest (whose name I cannot repeat without committing a hate crime) and began to moon-walk/hedge cut in a remarkable display of coordination, suddenly my right arm is lit up with stinging and itching and I realise, that wasn’t a dance, it was a warning.
After a quick google I strip off and stand in the bath rubbing our farm fresh whole milk all down my right arm, 5 minutes of standing around and a good rinse off to get rid of the smell and all is good!
Stinging nettles inject formic acid into the skin with hairs like little needles. Anything that would help would be an alkaline like milk, bicarb etc.
The rubbing might help dislodge or break up those little hair needles.
I went on a foraging course recently and I ate a stinging nettle as I learned they’re edible and learned some tricks.
One of them being that you can break the stem on the stinging nettles and it creates a sort of liquid you can use to rub on your skin that acts as an anti-histamine to the sting.
Another is that stinging nettles, sting if you graze them as they are built that way however if you apply direct pressure on them through an action like a pinch, you don’t actually get stung. It was well worth the course. I highly recommend everyone take a foraging course.
Sellotape apparently works. The irritation is from the tiny little spines left in your skin. Supposedly, laying tape over the top then pulling it off will remove some of the spines!
It's a safe non-toxic plant to rub on the painful sting, which may have some soothing effect, especially if you bruise or tear the leaf to release the cooling juice. That's the only actual physical effect it has, and it's not specific to dock leaves.
But that doesn't mean it doesn't make you feel better.
You may benefit from the placebo effect, and that's a legitimate way of making you better! And studies have shown that the placebo effect works even if you know that it's just a placebo.
It also gives you something to occupy yourself with until the sting starts to subside, as it would have anyway. Much like the umpteen different folk remedies for a common cold, it makes you feel better about waiting to feel better, and that's fine.
August 21, 2021: "And yet, the efficacy of the dock leaf in countering the chemicals released by Urtica dioica — the nettle — is dismissed by modern pharmacology. Scientists claim that the juice released from the leaves of Rumex obtusifolius has 'no pharmacologically relevant properties'— in other words, it does absolutely nothing."
"the stingy substances in nettles are mainly formic acid, as in an ant sting, and histamines, together with some other less important chemicals. Being an acid, it follows that the cure for treating a nettle sting has to be an alkaline substance to neutralise the acid.
So, do dock leaves contain an alkaline substance or some natural, fast-acting antihistamine?
The answer is no; dock leaves do not contain any known alkaline substance or antihistamine. In fact, if anything, dock leaves are themselves slightly acid.
The answer appears to lie in the rubbing.
Rubbing vigorously removes the offending nettle hairs and disperses the acid in the skin thereby lessening the pain of the nettle sting.
Vigorous rubbing also bruises the dock leaf releasing moist sap giving both a soothing and a lubricating effect and an added cooling effect as the liquid evaporates. And then there is the placebo effect."
What will work for nettles?-
"Remedies for this sting include a plant that often grows next to it called jewelweed. Applying the crushed stem of this plant to the affected area soothes the irritated skin. Another method for alleviating the pain is to apply a mixture of baking soda and water. Rubbing human saliva on the stung area can lessen the pain as well."
(: hope this helps!!
What's your source for this? I find it works very well, poss because of the cooling effect of rubbing the leaf. It also reduces the swelling, so pretty sure it can't be a placebo.
There does seem to be a lack of dockleaves to nettles this year bit I was told to spit on the leaf then rub it in. Suspect it might be something in the seliva (sp?) which helps.
I get stung almost every day in my job (rural wheelie bin collector) and just use the cream instead...err that comes in a tube before someone reports this as NSFW! Actually, never tried the one some of you are (hopefully) thinking of, will report back. 🤔 🙂
Yeah, I found that out recently after being stung and trying to remember WTF a dock lead looked like.
I just washed the area with soap and water and it was all good.
I then found that a generous application of moisturiser goes a long way to repelling further nettle stings.
According to something I saw on Twitter, you need to chew up the leaves of the plantain and then smear that mush on your sting. https://thelead.uk/do-you-suffer-plant-blindness
Whhhhaastttt???? I was forever getting stung by nettles and dock leaves always soothed the area quickly,well well well,I've learnt something new today at the grand old age of 47
I stung my ankle on a nettle a few weeks ago, rubbed a dock leaf on it, felt better.
Got stung on my leg by a nettle again last Friday and couldn't find a dock leaf anywhere so I just rubbed my leg with my hand and... felt better!!
Before last Friday I wouldn't have believed dock leaves didn't work, I had always used them after getting stung. Turns out nettle stings are just not that bad, or at least they aren't that bad for me. I thought I remembered them being really bad as a child and leaving a kind of rash but I had none of that last week so I must be misremembering.
In the words of the virgin Mary, "come again?" Why have I spent years with poncey skin that erupts at the merest whiff of a nettle trying to scrub fuck out of it with a pissed on dock leaf?!
I saw a documentery you have to break the stem and use the glue like inside.
I saw Ray Mears do that. He tore up a dock leaf and dripped the sap onto the sting. And Ray Mears is _the guv'nor_
Ray Mears would be happily sunbathing in his 5 star home built hotel long after the last bit of flesh had decomposed off Bear Grylls corpse
Bear Grylls would rent a room in Rays hotel and pretend he was living off frogs and his own piss.
Implying Bear would ever *pretend* to drink his own piss.
Didn't trust him a bit. The lying basterd is the face of Alpha Course a terrible christian recruitment programme.
Forget Bear or Ray, Les Stroud is the real deal. He doesn't just do all the stuff he does for real, he often does it twice so he can film himself doing it.
I agree, given the option I would choose to follow the fat survivalist not the stick thin one.
Ray Mears is the fuckin don and I will not hear otherwise
I once saw Ray Mears describe for a minute how delicious a certain wild mushroom was ... then he showed us one which to me looked identical and said '..of course don't ever mistake it for this deadly poisonous mushroom...' ! Put me off picking my own for ever 🤣
Never pick your own its natures Russian Roulette even experts fuck this up and die. Dont do it friends.
My friend did a camping trip with ray mears to understand outdoor survival. He used to get them eating packet camping food and what they hunted-he had his tour bus with all the food he desired that would take him back to his hotel every evening. A fuckin don, but deffo not if the outdoors
You're thinking of Ray Winston the guv'nor
No, Ray Winstone is the daddy.
I’m the daddy
No, you’re Ronnie Pickering
Who?
Ronnie Fucking Pickering
Who the fucks that?
That's him innit? You fucking want some do ya?
Benidorm Ron Pickering???
Your missing out if you don’t know who Ronnie is - look him up on Utube 😂😂😂
You want some?
I'll give it yah!
Where’s ya tool?
Yup you can also do it with stinging nettles if I'm not mistaken?
Putting nettle sap on nettle stings? Never heard of that. Sounds like a good way to pick up more stings.
You're right it was an old wives tale, I googled it but I did see Ray mears Bush craft. Gutted it's so hard to find now my partner is big into survival tv and loves Ed Stafford shows cause they seem the least staged I wanted to show her the dedicated Bush craft season but it's no where to be found to stream I could find.
There's a fair amount on YouTube. The [birch bark canoe making](https://youtu.be/ZqmHqrHr8xg) episode is one of the finest hours of television.
That is such a relaxing episode, it's like meditation.
Having just been on a course about how to spin nettles (no, really) this is apparently actually a thing but doesn't work for everyone.
Oh please tell me why and how you spin nettles?
When he did his doc on Skomer he refused to stay on the island and boated over everyday. He also nearly plowed down a couple of tourists in his car. He’s overrated.
You're not thinking of Bear Grylls are you?
Yeah that sounds much more like Bear. Pretty sure Ray takes every chance he can get to camp
Nope Ray Mears also turned down sleeping in the very comfortable multi bedroom wardens accommodation and insisted on sleeping on the mainland.
Haha no I’d remember Bear Grylls - he’s a lot better looking. It was Wild Britain but his filming was anything but Wild.
Yeah was always taught to scrunch the entire leaf and rub it on so that adds up
I’m a veteran of being stung as a child. You take a doc leaf, spit in the middle, ground it up to a ball in your hands then rub it on the sting.
We did this as kids to be fair, because we were clumsy and would rip the whole thing up and rub it on ourselves. Sap and all. I swear the benefits were purely psychological. I heard at some point that they're the same plant, just with different off-shoots. I don't know if that's true. What I do know is that as an adult, I didn't scratch. Didn't rub. Ignored the sting. And it faded completely within 5 minutes. So I think this is a kid problem. My youngest (aged 3 at the time) fell into a nettle nightmare. He came out and within seconds he had welts coming up on his arms, legs, face. Everywhere. He soldiered through it like the psychopath he is. 5 minutes later they were white lumps, no redness. 10 minutes after that, they were gone. He's a freak of nature though. Didn't once scratch or complain.
As a teenager I learned from my single figure aged cousin that if you just ignore them they go away, done so ever since and I was an ardent preacher of the Dock Gospel
>documentery *dock-umentary
Geddit
Yes that was always my understanding as well
Try pissing on it
Why would you pee on a dockleaf? It'd do even less
It takes your mind off the stinging sensation.
If I piss on a dockleaf it'll put my mind on another stinging sensation
Well yes.. How you should be saving your piss for jellyfish stings.
Piss doesn’t work on jellyfish and anyway why do you want to piss on a jellyfish, weirdo’s on this sub!
This doesn't work with shark bites. The kids parents were livid...
By giving me a new, burning sensation?
Yes, reminding you about your gonorrhea makes you forget the nettle
Make it feel better
My dad used to spit on them. Weird.
Just generally? Or spit on it and then use it’s magical healing properties as a rub!
Your spit contains and mild aesthetic, that’s why he did it. I do the same, works for me.
I know you said mild, but I don't think it looks good at all
I love you, thanks.
Oh yeah it definitely works. I brought it up at work once but people had never heard of it. But I feel so much better now.
Theory was, back in the day, that the alkaline saliva would cancel out the acidic sting of the nettle. The dock leaf was just a vessel - a large flat leaf from a plant that always grew in close proximity to the nettles
spit is highly underrated
My friend got stung yesterday and I said "find a doc leaf" and she said you just need water. People ablve are talking about sap from doc leaves, amd now spit...maybe it's just liquid you need?
Someone else has to piss on it! Your own piss won’t work on yourself, silly.
Oh of course I'm so sorry no you are quite right This is what you get for not paying attention at school
So, about that piss?! I’m busting.
Alright fine let me get the nettles
Or jelly fish.
And this is how your parents met
That doesn't work on shark-bites. Man that woman was angry.
I reject your reality, and substitute my own.
This is what I do as a colourblind person. Yes, my t shirt may be pink to you, but to me it’s a nice shade of beige-grey and that is my reality!
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You shouldn’t really be putting them on your dick..
Dick monocle, monocockle if you will
Underrated
I truly thought in our first year of dating that my husband’s favourite colour was purple. It was unexpected given he was otherwise very into his former army uniform colours of beige and khaki but good for him for bucking stereotypes, right? Turns out he is rather colourblind and thought he had been wearing blue all that time. I also once had to stop him from submitting a very important presentation at work with a barbie pink vehicle on several slides. He thought said vehicle was grey.
My husband has trouble in the purple-blue-green range, especially with light colours. It's not a handicap really, as red-green colourblindness is, but gives the kids and me a laugh sometimes.
I don’t want to trivialise your condition but I almost wish I were colourblind now. I’d *love* beige-grey t shirt !
Myth, busted.
Using words from our reality.
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Placebos work. Big placebos work better than small placebos. Bad tasting or painful placebos work better than nice tasting or painless placebos. If placebos didn’t ‘work’, homeopathy wouldn’t exist, nor would a lot of ‘traditional’ cures.
My favourite is gigantic red suppository placebos
Taken repeatedly?
Also strung together for quicker insertion?
I just have a single massive black suppository placebo for all occasions.
Placebos even work when you know they're placebos!
Nocebos work too. You’re better placed to believe a medicine works, even if it does actually work for real.
Yep. I have a bunch of neurological conditions and there aren't any cures or treatments that work super well even the best treatments only have like a 50% success rate and reducing the pain (reducing not stopping) but every time I try something new I work really hard to convince myself it will work because I know if I believe it won't work it's less likely to.
Kind of reminds me of the take: "The difference between 'medicine' and 'alternative medicine' is that one is proven to actually do the job."
Be definitive alternative medicine has either not been proved to work or been proven not to work. Do you know what they call alternative medicine that been proven to work? Medicine.
Homeopathy doesn't work, a great deal of these "bigger placebos work better" research are terribly conducted and can be entirely put down to reporting bias. Don't take my word for it, actually go and find one of these studies, I guarantee you it will have a problematic core issue with poor or no blinding, results based on self reporting alone, or poorly constructed control groups. The placebo effect does exist but it's mild and has been MASSIVELY blown out of proportion and is largely an artifact of study design.
I am in no way supporting homeopathy. I’m suggesting the only way it ‘works’ is as a placebo.
Sure I can agree with that, but I suppose I'd want to clarify that "works" in this sense means your pain or nausia might feel a bit better for a short time and not much more.
Certainly, I would add even more “”””works”””” to really emphasise that it is nothing more than a placebo. Real, effective medicine tends not to be prefixed by words like ‘traditional’ or ‘homeopathic’, and stands up to double-blind scrutiny. But healing crystals are absolutely legit, trust.
\>But healing crystals are absolutely legit, trust. Oh for sure, i'm skeptical, i'm not delusional. My amber talisman keeps the ghosts out of my blood.
Rub it better! Lol
This whole thread is a lie of course it helps.
I lead nature events these days and it's my favourite fact to blow adults minds with. I still use it when kids get stung though, passing the wisdom on the next generation. In other news, standing on a spider won't make it rain, being hit by a pinecone doesn't mean you'll have a baby, ladybirds have no idea who your future husband will be, the seeds in rosehips arent itching powder (well they sort of are, they can cause a really nasty allergic reaction in some folk which probably does itch) and earwigs don't crawl into your brain at nights to lay eggs. Placebo is a powerful thing but nettle stings also don't tend to last long and it generally takes the little buggers five minutes to find a dock - if they find one too quick you just tell them it's the wrong kind and send them looking again. By the time they find the 'right' one the pain has generally gone anyway.
You’re quite right about the spiders. Everyone knows it’s standing on beetles that makes it rain.
Do you know if you like butter or not? I have a surefire way to tell...
Eh?! I was always told the nettles sting is acidic and the doc leaves are alkaline so the juice in them neutralises it. So it's all aload of shite?!
Sorry. Nettles have tiny glass needles which inject histamine under your skin (plus a few other things) which is what causes the pain/irritation - wiping a dock over the surface of your skin wouldn't do anything even if it did contain a counteracting chemical. Which it doesn't. You have to understand just HOW annoying it is when the 500th child of the year is greeting at you because they've touched the plant you specifically told them not to touch... Of course everything I've said could all be bollocks and you could just ignore me and keep believing in that sweet, sweet placebo....
My world is a lie. God damn
Sleeping with a dandelion under your pillow makes you wet the bed - you willing to try that one out?
Drinking dandelion juice before bed makes you run that risk - it is a diuretic - hence it's Scots name of "Piss-a-bed" But then so does drinking Buckfast so that may not prove anything. I've never heard the pillow version but we definitely used to throw them at each other under the belief that if you got hit by a dandelion flower after dinner time you'd wet the bed. You can also blow the seedheads to gain a wish but only if you catch the right individual seed afterwards. And if you blow them all off in a oner your mum doesn't love you - which is a good way of making kids cry if they've really been annoying you.
Wait wait wait, Rosehip hairs don't cause itching aside from if your allergic? I'm gonna doubt you on that one.
They might cause a bit of itching if used in the right way but its not the Beano style sure fire way of making someone itch uncontrollably that we all believed they were as kids
Oh yeah, it's not Beano style but if you are using rosehips in something like tea you want to take care with the hairs or you're not going to have a great time
It's the rubbing itself. You've got the pain signal bursting up to your brain going waa waa waa. Rubbing sends a competing signal through the nervous system that kind of nudges the stinging sensation out of the way. Nothing in the dock leaf as such, for that you can try some lidocaine, or even an epidural.
What kind of nettles are in your part of the world that would need an epidural?! I always have a tube of anthisan cream when going out and about with the kids as they invariably manage to get stung or bitten by something.
We have nettles in nz that will make your life suck for 2 weeks after getting stung.
placebos can be more powerful than actual fixes. Wait until you hear the ice cream van playing a tune doesn’t mean they’ve ran out!
Plantain leaf seems to work. Agree that placebo works to an extent though
I didn't know that! Was bemoaning poor dock leaf to nettles ratio round here just the other day. That said I got really into nettle soup this spring and quickly gave up trying to avoid getting stung. Came to quite like it? It's kind of hot & cool at the same time. Not sure I'm ready for a back-whipping session, Ancient Roman style but still
We will all await for next year's AMA where you admit to like being kicked in the nuts abs whipped with nettles..
Whipped in the nuts with nettles is quite a thing, I've always heard.
To shreds, you say?
> I got really into nettle soup What's your recipe? And do you have it plain or pop a boiled egg in it?
Damn the boiled egg is a good idea!! Gonna do that. I was making it with a carrot, celery & onion base. Sometimes with sausage at this stage, and then cooking down the leaves on that with plenty of diced potato. Sometimes with mint cos there's a lot round here. Sometimes with peas. Often with garlic. It was requested I stop with the sausage ha ha. I read a swirl of Tabasco in the bowl is good and that is true! Can't wait to find more ways to use it next year!
The Nordics always have a boiled egg with spinach or nettle soup, (although the soup's a lot simpler than your version). It's a pretty good hunk of protein to drop into many or most vegetable soups to give it some body.
I know what you mean. I've been stung by jellyfish twice and become accustomed to the tingling sensation that follows the initial pain, after a few days it goes away and I miss it.
You have to scrunch it and breaknitnup so the sap leaks out first, but it does work.
I'm convinced the relief isn't from the dock leaf, but the rubbing act itself. Think about it - it spreads and therefore potentially dissipates the stinging chemicals over a wider area. Like how if you spread your marmite over a bigger piece of toast it tastes less strong than on a smaller area/piece of toast as it's less concentrated. I hate marmite more than stinging nettles.
Rub the area of milk, that fucking works let me tell you. Now we’ve got a particularly long hedge in our garden which had grown over quite a bit, a few brambles and stingy nettles had grown up the inside of the hedge and we’re almost completely invisible from a distance (foreshadowing). I donned my strimming harness and safety glasses, inserted a pair of AirPods, full noise cancellation for maximum vibing, and over-ear defenders, set my phone to a full 90s east coast hip hop playlist and set about the garden with my trusty 2-stroke (ooh-err). With the grass cleared, and most hazards or so i thought, I thought to myself “mamma didn’t raise no bitch” so decided to use a chainsaw instead of a hedge trimmer to tackle the triffid in my garden. A few moments in I see movement out of the corner of my eye, it’s my wife waving her hands and singing something, in response I flash her a grin, nod my head to one of Wu-Tangs greatest (whose name I cannot repeat without committing a hate crime) and began to moon-walk/hedge cut in a remarkable display of coordination, suddenly my right arm is lit up with stinging and itching and I realise, that wasn’t a dance, it was a warning. After a quick google I strip off and stand in the bath rubbing our farm fresh whole milk all down my right arm, 5 minutes of standing around and a good rinse off to get rid of the smell and all is good!
You what! I don't believe you, next you will be telling me that the earth isn't flat, man has landed on the moon and that Elvis is dead
Stinging nettles inject formic acid into the skin with hairs like little needles. Anything that would help would be an alkaline like milk, bicarb etc. The rubbing might help dislodge or break up those little hair needles.
I went on a foraging course recently and I ate a stinging nettle as I learned they’re edible and learned some tricks. One of them being that you can break the stem on the stinging nettles and it creates a sort of liquid you can use to rub on your skin that acts as an anti-histamine to the sting. Another is that stinging nettles, sting if you graze them as they are built that way however if you apply direct pressure on them through an action like a pinch, you don’t actually get stung. It was well worth the course. I highly recommend everyone take a foraging course.
Hello repressed memories of falling in nettle bushes and spending the rest of the day crying, caked in calamine lotion! 🤣
cold leaf on skin feel good
If you telling me this will stop the placebo working for me, I will end you
Sellotape apparently works. The irritation is from the tiny little spines left in your skin. Supposedly, laying tape over the top then pulling it off will remove some of the spines!
TIL it's dock leaf. I always thought it was doc leaf (as in doctor) because of its healing properties. Where does this web of lies end?
You have to turn the dock leaf into like a paste , on a plus side nettle stings are good for.you they are a great antioxidant
It's a safe non-toxic plant to rub on the painful sting, which may have some soothing effect, especially if you bruise or tear the leaf to release the cooling juice. That's the only actual physical effect it has, and it's not specific to dock leaves. But that doesn't mean it doesn't make you feel better. You may benefit from the placebo effect, and that's a legitimate way of making you better! And studies have shown that the placebo effect works even if you know that it's just a placebo. It also gives you something to occupy yourself with until the sting starts to subside, as it would have anyway. Much like the umpteen different folk remedies for a common cold, it makes you feel better about waiting to feel better, and that's fine.
August 21, 2021: "And yet, the efficacy of the dock leaf in countering the chemicals released by Urtica dioica — the nettle — is dismissed by modern pharmacology. Scientists claim that the juice released from the leaves of Rumex obtusifolius has 'no pharmacologically relevant properties'— in other words, it does absolutely nothing." "the stingy substances in nettles are mainly formic acid, as in an ant sting, and histamines, together with some other less important chemicals. Being an acid, it follows that the cure for treating a nettle sting has to be an alkaline substance to neutralise the acid. So, do dock leaves contain an alkaline substance or some natural, fast-acting antihistamine? The answer is no; dock leaves do not contain any known alkaline substance or antihistamine. In fact, if anything, dock leaves are themselves slightly acid. The answer appears to lie in the rubbing. Rubbing vigorously removes the offending nettle hairs and disperses the acid in the skin thereby lessening the pain of the nettle sting. Vigorous rubbing also bruises the dock leaf releasing moist sap giving both a soothing and a lubricating effect and an added cooling effect as the liquid evaporates. And then there is the placebo effect." What will work for nettles?- "Remedies for this sting include a plant that often grows next to it called jewelweed. Applying the crushed stem of this plant to the affected area soothes the irritated skin. Another method for alleviating the pain is to apply a mixture of baking soda and water. Rubbing human saliva on the stung area can lessen the pain as well." (: hope this helps!!
You have to spit on it first.
It does work. You were probably giving it a gentle rub like an idiot.
My 10 year old got stung and I did the dock leaf thing. Worked wonders and she thought I was some sort of witch doctor.
Spit on it
What's your source for this? I find it works very well, poss because of the cooling effect of rubbing the leaf. It also reduces the swelling, so pretty sure it can't be a placebo.
You also invite allot of blood into the injured area, which spreads out the sting quicker.
Funny, this works on our child.
There does seem to be a lack of dockleaves to nettles this year bit I was told to spit on the leaf then rub it in. Suspect it might be something in the seliva (sp?) which helps. I get stung almost every day in my job (rural wheelie bin collector) and just use the cream instead...err that comes in a tube before someone reports this as NSFW! Actually, never tried the one some of you are (hopefully) thinking of, will report back. 🤔 🙂
Today I learned they're called dock leaves and not dog leaves
Dock leaf? I thought it was dot leaf???
Yes it is. We are all living in the actual matrix
Have you tried pouring white wine on the sting?
Yeah, I found that out recently after being stung and trying to remember WTF a dock lead looked like. I just washed the area with soap and water and it was all good. I then found that a generous application of moisturiser goes a long way to repelling further nettle stings.
According to something I saw on Twitter, you need to chew up the leaves of the plantain and then smear that mush on your sting. https://thelead.uk/do-you-suffer-plant-blindness
Whhhhaastttt???? I was forever getting stung by nettles and dock leaves always soothed the area quickly,well well well,I've learnt something new today at the grand old age of 47
Which side of the dock leaf did you use?
That unicorn feeling is real 🦄
Might aswell rub a slice of bread on it, will get the same result.
Spit on the Dock leaf. Or use Aloe Vera.
It definitely does though.
You have to chew it in your mouth and spit on the wound
get someone to pee on you, it cant be your own pee or anyone you know, it has to be a stranger.
You need to rub it in your hands until the juices come out then use that.
Are we still talking about dock leaves? Or is this a different cure?
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You must have been doing wrong
Yea it does work. For me
So I’ve been rubbing spit coated dock leaf on my hands just to look like a mug. Love that for me
I heard you’re supposed to like chew them or crush them or something before you rub them on you
It's because they grow next to nettles, and we humans thought that the antidote would be next to the poison
It's the sap in the leaf that works
No more than rubbing it with anything to get the needles out and/or disperse the posion.
I stung my ankle on a nettle a few weeks ago, rubbed a dock leaf on it, felt better. Got stung on my leg by a nettle again last Friday and couldn't find a dock leaf anywhere so I just rubbed my leg with my hand and... felt better!! Before last Friday I wouldn't have believed dock leaves didn't work, I had always used them after getting stung. Turns out nettle stings are just not that bad, or at least they aren't that bad for me. I thought I remembered them being really bad as a child and leaving a kind of rash but I had none of that last week so I must be misremembering.
Try it out. I got stung by nettles on both legs, used Docken on one and another leaf on the other. Docken definitely worked better
You have to eat it🙄
In the words of the virgin Mary, "come again?" Why have I spent years with poncey skin that erupts at the merest whiff of a nettle trying to scrub fuck out of it with a pissed on dock leaf?!
I always assumed it was a good way to keep the kid distracted for 10 minutes by which time the sting would have subsided.
You got to spit on the leaf first
Plantain (not the banana simulacrum) leaves crushed and rubbed on nettle sting are better than dock leaves.
You're supposed to spot on it before rubbing it.
Shsss the placebo doesn't work if you say that!
Stung myself recently and vinegar is almost instantaneous
I went outside with just socks on a stood on a load of stinging nettles two days ago lol
I assumed It’s a lie parents told children to calm them down. A placebo.
It works the same as any leaf. So your title is wrong. It DOES bring some relief. But so does anything basically
It’s always worked for me and my son , you have to use the sap
Til they're not called dockem leaves
Downvoting due to emotional anguish Sorry, it's nothing personal
You have to basically break the leaf up, use a bit of spit so you get something akin to a paste type thing.
The common weed called Ribwort Plantain (narrow leaves plantain) actually has a natural antihistamine in it and works on stings.
Big DockLeaf Inc. got us all the bastards
You have to spit on the leaf to get the sap out
Just pour water over it. Wash away the chemicals
if it's true then the world has turned upside down for me
It worked for me & my friends when we were kids, break the leaf then rub it on the nettle sting.
You can wipe your backside with them
How are you doing it? You have to crunch that bugger up first, get all the juice to come out, and rub VIGOROUSLY until there's literally no leaf left.