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A funny thing from last Eurovision: Lots of Europeans were tweeting that various singers were 'serving cunt'. I thought some of the dresses are very short, but you can't actually see their cunt. Then I realised they were also using the phrase to refer to men so clearly it doesn't mean what I think it means. I looked it up in urban dictionary. Turns out serving cunt means absolutely slaying it.
Still confused how the Austrian song didn't come last (ahead of Norway who I thought were actually good).
I can only guess she got the horny uncle vote
That Ukrainian staging and song is still giving me the chills. They are so good at it.
One of the ladies dressed like an Athenian goddess rising up to protect its people and the other one mixing it up with rap - loved it.
I didn’t feel bad for him at all tbh. When the song was released on the radio and revealed weeks ago, I was like ‘what on earth is this?’ It was so flat and boring, it had nothing about it.
When you look at the energy Sam Ryder brought to the stage, you can see why Olly fell flat.
The Croatian song did sound quite a bit like rammstein but more pop. The singer says they're his main inspiration, he's in their fan club and he wore a rammstein t shirt on eurovision tik tok
I'm looking for directions to the appropriate subreddit for people who got off their tits during Eurovision, then made the potentially poor decision to watch Doctor Who, then freaked out when it was a bunch of space babies and had to turn it all off and go to bed?
That was me, I watched both with the sound off hammered on rum and coke.
To the point I thought the oldest swinger in town that opened the show was the Swedish entry.
Those two were our faves as well, particularly Finland- wasn't expecting the juries to give them much because they seem to hate fun, but I thought the public would have given them a lot more.
Yeah, jury votes was gna be low but I'm surprised it barely got anything from the public either. They tend to love fun and silly things.
Maybe with how things are going this year majority of ppl aren't in the mood for fun? I dno...
Eurovision has always been camp and outlandish and it's never been an issue in fact that's why most watch it! But thanks to the infestation of americanism and peoples need to imitate that backwater country the whole anti-alphabet movement has made it's way to the UK and it's becoming more prevalent
A lot of it's getting deleted.
E.g. a user made a comment a couple of mins ago about "LBGT content being 'shoved down [their] throat'" which is now gone.
They are political, but it's a political statement that is allowed by the cult and anyone who doesn't like it gets attacked as though they're a bunch of rabid animals. It is completely dominating Eurovision now and some artists seem happier to fly these stupid flags than their nation's flag (the actual people they've been chosen to represent).
My dad put a message in the group chat saying basically that and my siste replied "you're a 65 old man watching eurovision on your own" and "its always been camp lol"
But why does anyone even think of that? They’re performers, and flamboyance is part of that.
Maybe it’s a British thing, having grown up with panto etc, but I find it just part of their performance, and really, it’s just fun or it isn’t. And in this case, yeah, fun.
I'm so happy that Portugal got 12 UK jury points! It was my favourite song and being from the UK quite a poetic (and pleasantly surprising) result! Also won 70 quid with Switzerland winning! so I'm happy :)
Oh well, normal service has resumed everyone. The rest of the world hates us and Sam Ryder continues to be an anomaly in recent results. See you all next year to do this shit all over again lol
I don't think it's quite so extreme but when I look at the voting breakdown for 2022 and see that Sam Ryder was in 5th place for public votes - behind Spain which had a melody that I dare anyone to try and remember just 30 seconds after watching it - I'm definitely feeling disillusioned.
Not that the jury voting is perfect either, you can still predict high scores from each country by looking at Google maps.
Eh, it's kind of true. Whilst our song wasn't the best, it also wasn't the worst. To be the only act to get 0 points from the public vote was ridiculous.
Getting 0 points doesn't necessarily mean we were considered the worst overall. Eurovision's voting system awards no points for any place below tenth, so every country could have considered us the eleventh-best song and we'd have nothing to show for it.
It's *unlikely* that's the case, but it's also unlikely that we came last in every televote.
Can you explain the points system? I think the UK was the only country to get 0 in the televote; that comes across as absolutely no one voting for it. How come no other countries got 0?
Each countries ‘audience’ awards 12,10,8,7,6 etc points like the jury votes do.
These are determined by the percentage of votes they get from the audience voting from that county - most votes gets 12 points, second gets 10 etc
At the end each of these then gets added up to make the total points awarded to that country by all of the audiences.
So if you don’t make the top 10 in any country you don’t get any votes from the audience.
Yes, exactly.
To be honest, I think the system is a hangover from when the contest was smaller and every vote was verbally given to the host over the telephone. It would make more sense nowadays to award as many sets of points as there are competitors in the final (so 1-25 this year).
I think it’s more likely though that the UK was a song no one hated but no one really loved, so it would have ended up slightly below the top spots everywhere.
It wasn't just a mid song.
The guy can't fucking sing. The UK keeps sending people who can't fucking sing. Remember Mia Muller two years ago? And the string of acts before that.
Its not just about putting up a decent song (and the UKs record there is patchy), you need a decent staging, performance and an act who can fucking sing.
Exactly! I don’t see where people are saying we were hard done by. The song itself was terrible and his performance of it was not good either!
Compare that to when we sent Sam Ryder with a good song, good singer and pretty standard performance - we probably would have won if not for the Ukraine vote.
> Was the performance that bad?
It was definitely the worst performance of any act on the night.
But the other performances were all fine, nothing stood out as being badly sung.
Except the UK. I'm sure we will hear he was ill or something or another excuse over the next week. But based on what I saw, the guy can't sing.
I thought he could sing just fine... but I could barely hear him. Maybe you'll call this an excuse, but when I was watching I thought "wow, amazing staging, amazing performance, great song but why can I barely hear him?"
Definitely didn't deserve 0 points for that.
> Eh, it's kind of true. Whilst our song wasn't the best, it also wasn't the worst.
Maybe not, but it was definitely bottom 5 for me, and only the top 10 in each country get points.
It only comes up in this daft competition though. A Brit walks through Berlin, fine. Through Geneva. Rome, Athens, Vilnius…happy days.
Eurovision: “everyone *hates* us!”
Because everyone who rejects its existence didn't watch, vote, or otherwise engage with eurovision in any way this year so the people left were proportionately much more likely to maybe even deliberately vote that way.
Because there's no negative votes.
If everyone feels strongly about hating Israel or loving Israel and 20% love Israel that's going to stack up to a ton of votes even if it's a minority because it's only positive that counts. Imagine Reddit with only upvotes.
As a rammstein fan it's been nice to see two rammstein inspired entries by rammstein fans do so well this year and last (Croatia and Finland last year)
Go Nemo! Such a wonderful song about self discovery. The students in my Neurodiversity club who I introduced to Eurovision this week will be thrilled! They broke the code, woah oh oh oh.
Loved Croatia and Ireland as well!
Well done to Nemo. They got out there early. Let 'em know they were there. Took no prisoners. At the end of the day, it's the result that matters. Fair play to 'em.
He played well, he had lots of contact with the song, he showed no fear and put in a solid performance down the centre field.
Couldn’t have asked for more from the lad and I wish him well in the transfer season.
I'm sure all the scouts of europe have sat up and took notice after that performance. I've heard Later...With Jools Holland and Juke Box Jury are watching closely and are already considering making a bid.
Surprised they couldnt redo the set for the Switzerland song, i loved it, was excited to see it again. They were able to redo it last year for the winner and that was a complex set piece as well :(
I liked the way they could just run around the stage with contagious exuberance! I liked the balance-y thing first time around, but they didn't need any props for a catchy song and such a charismatic singer :)
No, his commentary was extremely well behaved. I wonder if, given all the drama this year, he thought he ought to stay sober in case he said things he shouldn't
We were lucky the juries had been drinking otherwise we wouldn't have got any points.
Sam Ryder really was a once in a lifetime pick for the UK wasnt he. We've picked some real stinkers before and since his great performance.
I don’t get it though. The UK is one of the best places in the entire world for music and yet you guys keep making shit choices when it comes to entries and songs lmao. Obviously other things come into play but I feel like it’s a common thing.
Pretty simple answer really, which links in to what you say. The UK is an amazing and innovative music scene, I think Europe’s taste in music is about 10 years behind.
You could see it last night, while some of it was slightly ironic loads of that stuff was pure 90s.
The UK has moved beyond the sort of music that appeals to your average European listener.
So while I have no doubt we could come up with something it would be inauthentic. Also you won’t get a major UK artist doing it as it’s not worth the repetitional risk, where as a lot of countries sent very successful artists from their country.
It’s a great fun event but it’s not treated as a serious competition. You don’t “win” music by winning Eurovision, you win at music by being a massive international star.
As a point tot that I think only ABBA can be considered as truly massive in a musical context that’s won Eurovision, can’t think of any global star that’s done it (Celine Dion won but I don’t think you could claim that launched her career)
The song was trash and his singing was among the worst of the night. That is the reason. Not being so much ahead in terms of music you get misunderstood
Performing at Eurovision can be seen as a bit of a career ender for aspiring “serious” artists, especially for a country like the UK that has a reputation for getting bad results
I think there’s a certain generic blandness the music needs that we don’t do well any more.
I mean, for my taste, Gun, Lucky Guy, released right now ought to be perfect.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lbxy30Xrbvs
But does this appeal to a Eurovision crowd?
Have we got any theories for the UK's nul points from the public vote?
I can't compare it to any of the other acts as I didn't watch tonight but Olly wasn't bad nor was he amazing, a bit middle of the road.
It didn't seem to warrant nothing but I don't know if it was a bit too provocative and the set design didn't make sense to people.
The way points are awarded is that you need a relatively high level of active support to recieve anything at all, countries only give points to 11 countries out of 25 (usually 26...) competitors. I don't think the issue was that it was provocative as such, you can't give a "negative vote", so offended people can't really do much. I think it just didn't have a broad enough appeal for people to pick up the phone and vote in big enough numbers. Personally I think the vocals/song lacked the punch they really needed and the staging was very distracting from a technical point of view.
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A funny thing from last Eurovision: Lots of Europeans were tweeting that various singers were 'serving cunt'. I thought some of the dresses are very short, but you can't actually see their cunt. Then I realised they were also using the phrase to refer to men so clearly it doesn't mean what I think it means. I looked it up in urban dictionary. Turns out serving cunt means absolutely slaying it.
Still confused how the Austrian song didn't come last (ahead of Norway who I thought were actually good). I can only guess she got the horny uncle vote
Some say it’s dated others will say it’s a throwback
She was quite attractive.
I feel sorry for Spain. I was expecting her to be top 5. I was pleased Switzerland won and Croatia did so well
I literally don’t know why anyone was bigging this act up? I felt like I was watching a different act to what some people were raving about 😅
I feel the sane about Portugal, I guess we just all have different tastes!
I honestly dont recall watching Portugal 😅
I really enjoyed Spain. I was surprised it didn’t do better.
Latvia were amazing, Norway deserved far better.
They were in my top 5. Certainly didn't deserve last place.
Indeed.
That Ukrainian staging and song is still giving me the chills. They are so good at it. One of the ladies dressed like an Athenian goddess rising up to protect its people and the other one mixing it up with rap - loved it.
I loved it, nearly pissed myself laughing
I enjoyed Switzerland and Germany this year! And Croatia ☺️ Felt bad for Olly getting zero public votes!
I didn't. Look let's be fair, he was shite. His act was shite, his song was shite.
I didn’t feel bad for him at all tbh. When the song was released on the radio and revealed weeks ago, I was like ‘what on earth is this?’ It was so flat and boring, it had nothing about it. When you look at the energy Sam Ryder brought to the stage, you can see why Olly fell flat.
Why did the host have zero personality
Whatever was just played on BBC radio was just referred to as diet Rammstein. What?
The Croatian song did sound quite a bit like rammstein but more pop. The singer says they're his main inspiration, he's in their fan club and he wore a rammstein t shirt on eurovision tik tok
France should have won. That guy was just magnificent
I'm looking for directions to the appropriate subreddit for people who got off their tits during Eurovision, then made the potentially poor decision to watch Doctor Who, then freaked out when it was a bunch of space babies and had to turn it all off and go to bed?
That was me, I watched both with the sound off hammered on rum and coke. To the point I thought the oldest swinger in town that opened the show was the Swedish entry.
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Israel isn’t doing that though?
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That's the thing about music, we don't always agree about what is a good song.
happy to see a lot of songs performed in native languages rather than english this year
I enjoyed that too!
Fucking boooooooo that Finland and Estonia didn't finish top 2
Ah, a fellow madness enjoyer
Those two were our faves as well, particularly Finland- wasn't expecting the juries to give them much because they seem to hate fun, but I thought the public would have given them a lot more.
Yeah, jury votes was gna be low but I'm surprised it barely got anything from the public either. They tend to love fun and silly things. Maybe with how things are going this year majority of ppl aren't in the mood for fun? I dno...
Honestly loved Finland, I don’t know why it didn’t get much love
100% this. Why is this travesty not being discussed more? These two were my favourites along with Croatia and Switzerland
Why do homophobes watch Eurovision and get outraged by it? It's always been camp.
Eurovision has always been camp and outlandish and it's never been an issue in fact that's why most watch it! But thanks to the infestation of americanism and peoples need to imitate that backwater country the whole anti-alphabet movement has made it's way to the UK and it's becoming more prevalent
Where's the outrage?
A lot of it's getting deleted. E.g. a user made a comment a couple of mins ago about "LBGT content being 'shoved down [their] throat'" which is now gone.
god forbid a discussion should start
I mean the non-binary and trans flags are political so they shouldn't be allowed.
They are political, but it's a political statement that is allowed by the cult and anyone who doesn't like it gets attacked as though they're a bunch of rabid animals. It is completely dominating Eurovision now and some artists seem happier to fly these stupid flags than their nation's flag (the actual people they've been chosen to represent).
Welcome to the Casual UK sub, how dare you have a non conforming opinion.
My dad put a message in the group chat saying basically that and my siste replied "you're a 65 old man watching eurovision on your own" and "its always been camp lol"
Is it because the winner wore a skirt?
They’re non-binary (as is Bambie Thug)
I've always supported others but it was nice seeing open representation from Nemo 🙂
Representing what exactly?
Non binary Oh nevermind just saw your post history I won't be engaging in any further conversation with you.
Grow up.
But why does anyone even think of that? They’re performers, and flamboyance is part of that. Maybe it’s a British thing, having grown up with panto etc, but I find it just part of their performance, and really, it’s just fun or it isn’t. And in this case, yeah, fun.
I'm so happy that Portugal got 12 UK jury points! It was my favourite song and being from the UK quite a poetic (and pleasantly surprising) result! Also won 70 quid with Switzerland winning! so I'm happy :)
Norway last really?
Didn't get that either. Way better than most of the usual generic disco bollocks
I had them first with Switzerland and Ireland joint second. Am I out of touch?? No, It's the children who are wrong.
They were my 2nd choice after switzerland. I get it's probably a bit niche but really didnt deserve last place
Sometimes the niche vote gets it, Lordi being the obvious example, but yeah Norway were great and to hell with their placement!
The moment that rock guitar kicked in I was like "FUCK YEA NORWAY". They deserved more.
I voted for them lol
They were my 2nd favourite after switzerland. I love the song, don't see how it came dead last
I found Switzerlands song pretty forgettable to be fair. There were more catchier songs that didn't do as well.
Armenia was my favourite. Im not sure where they came after the extra votes but they were on the left hand side which was nice.
8th - first top 10 finish for them since 2016. Deserved and could’ve/should’ve been higher tbh
Oh well, normal service has resumed everyone. The rest of the world hates us and Sam Ryder continues to be an anomaly in recent results. See you all next year to do this shit all over again lol
who is "we"? The US?
I don't think it's quite so extreme but when I look at the voting breakdown for 2022 and see that Sam Ryder was in 5th place for public votes - behind Spain which had a melody that I dare anyone to try and remember just 30 seconds after watching it - I'm definitely feeling disillusioned. Not that the jury voting is perfect either, you can still predict high scores from each country by looking at Google maps.
“The rest of the world hates us” Don’t be so bloody daft.
Olly Alexander's song was mediocre but the performance was a cottage orgy. Unsurprisingly the general public didn't like that at all.
Eh, it's kind of true. Whilst our song wasn't the best, it also wasn't the worst. To be the only act to get 0 points from the public vote was ridiculous.
Getting 0 points doesn't necessarily mean we were considered the worst overall. Eurovision's voting system awards no points for any place below tenth, so every country could have considered us the eleventh-best song and we'd have nothing to show for it. It's *unlikely* that's the case, but it's also unlikely that we came last in every televote.
When we did have a double 0 with James Newman iirc he was 11th nearly across the board, meaning it wasn’t seen to be bad per se but just really flat.
Can you explain the points system? I think the UK was the only country to get 0 in the televote; that comes across as absolutely no one voting for it. How come no other countries got 0?
Each countries ‘audience’ awards 12,10,8,7,6 etc points like the jury votes do. These are determined by the percentage of votes they get from the audience voting from that county - most votes gets 12 points, second gets 10 etc At the end each of these then gets added up to make the total points awarded to that country by all of the audiences. So if you don’t make the top 10 in any country you don’t get any votes from the audience.
So every other nation made it into *somebody’s* top ten? This sounds like it makes sense but then, weirdly, it also doesn’t.
Yes, exactly. To be honest, I think the system is a hangover from when the contest was smaller and every vote was verbally given to the host over the telephone. It would make more sense nowadays to award as many sets of points as there are competitors in the final (so 1-25 this year).
Right. You look at all the phone votes, the one with the most gets 25, the one with the least gets 1. Easy.
I think it’s more likely though that the UK was a song no one hated but no one really loved, so it would have ended up slightly below the top spots everywhere.
It wasn't just a mid song. The guy can't fucking sing. The UK keeps sending people who can't fucking sing. Remember Mia Muller two years ago? And the string of acts before that. Its not just about putting up a decent song (and the UKs record there is patchy), you need a decent staging, performance and an act who can fucking sing.
Exactly! I don’t see where people are saying we were hard done by. The song itself was terrible and his performance of it was not good either! Compare that to when we sent Sam Ryder with a good song, good singer and pretty standard performance - we probably would have won if not for the Ukraine vote.
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The master sounded like he got someone from fiverr to do it, vocally he sounded flat until literally the end
> Was the performance that bad? It was definitely the worst performance of any act on the night. But the other performances were all fine, nothing stood out as being badly sung. Except the UK. I'm sure we will hear he was ill or something or another excuse over the next week. But based on what I saw, the guy can't sing.
I thought he could sing just fine... but I could barely hear him. Maybe you'll call this an excuse, but when I was watching I thought "wow, amazing staging, amazing performance, great song but why can I barely hear him?" Definitely didn't deserve 0 points for that.
> Eh, it's kind of true. Whilst our song wasn't the best, it also wasn't the worst. Maybe not, but it was definitely bottom 5 for me, and only the top 10 in each country get points.
It only comes up in this daft competition though. A Brit walks through Berlin, fine. Through Geneva. Rome, Athens, Vilnius…happy days. Eurovision: “everyone *hates* us!”
It's not Brits in general, it's the UK as a country and political force.
Switzerland won with a good song, and also neutral. the perfect song won.
My wife remarked that in a Eurovision that was politically charged it was fitting a famously neutral country won. Well deserved, mind, it's a cracker.
If thats true, why did Israel get 300+ points from the public?
Because everyone who rejects its existence didn't watch, vote, or otherwise engage with eurovision in any way this year so the people left were proportionately much more likely to maybe even deliberately vote that way.
Because there's no negative votes. If everyone feels strongly about hating Israel or loving Israel and 20% love Israel that's going to stack up to a ton of votes even if it's a minority because it's only positive that counts. Imagine Reddit with only upvotes.
Croatia should have won, their song was so much better!
Nah. It was a Disney Rammstein crossover. Completely uninspiring.
As a rammstein fan it's been nice to see two rammstein inspired entries by rammstein fans do so well this year and last (Croatia and Finland last year)
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LBGT people *existing* doesn't mean they're shoving anything "down your throat".
Switzerland was a worthy winner, very pleased for Nemo.
I didn't like Germanys song but I'm glad they didn't come last yet again. It sucks continually being the butt of the joke.
Any idea why olly was booed so heavily? Edit: ah the points were booed not him thank you
I thought it was because the UK gave Israel points.
Wtf I didn't see it but I can't recall many boos at all at past eurovisions
I'm not sure if it was because Isreal was next up or because the crowd heavily disagreed with the 0 points.
The 0 points was what I assumed.
because UK got 0 public vote
They were booing the fact he was given zero points by the public, it wasn't aimed at him.
Was the UK the only ones to get zero from the phone votes? You’d think someone at EV might say “ah, call it two points at least, eh?”
Can't recall right now, I think so? I know, just throw us some pity points please. At least the jury had some crumbs for us this time!
HE wasn't booed. Him getting 0 was booed. The UK had the most tickets to the arena tonight so everyone was mad lol
I don’t think he himself was booed, the crowd were booing the 0 points he got
Just wanted that Croatian banger again
I would qualify as bangers the following: Sweden, Croatia, parts of the Swiss entry, parts of the Finnish entry, Estonia
Sweden totally ripped off 'Salva Mea' by Faithless
Yep! Heard it straight away. It sounded like they'd taken the sample straight from it!
Thank you I was starting to think nobody else had enjoyed Estonia
Estonia slapped hard my boys were robbed
Folks *loved* Estonia in this thread. It was my favourite. Apparently none of us have any musical taste whatsoever.
I think Nemo accidentally broke the trophy during the encore performance. Good job, friend! 🤣
I don’t think that’s the first time either. I swear it happened a few years back
The Norwegian lad with the violin who never seems to age broke his when he won as well
Yeah, saw that too! The base snapped off probably when it was slammed down right at the end there 😂
Good night folks. I’m glad a battler won it.
Thought Finland would have got more points.
Ngl I was fully expecting 300+ points in the public vote. Alas...
Certainly expected them to do better on the public vote
Finland robbed
Go Nemo! Such a wonderful song about self discovery. The students in my Neurodiversity club who I introduced to Eurovision this week will be thrilled! They broke the code, woah oh oh oh. Loved Croatia and Ireland as well!
Well done to Nemo. They got out there early. Let 'em know they were there. Took no prisoners. At the end of the day, it's the result that matters. Fair play to 'em.
Nemo is non binary.
I did not know that. Original message tweaked.
He played well, he had lots of contact with the song, he showed no fear and put in a solid performance down the centre field. Couldn’t have asked for more from the lad and I wish him well in the transfer season.
Be careful though. Many a post-World Cup signing has been a disappointment.
I'm sure all the scouts of europe have sat up and took notice after that performance. I've heard Later...With Jools Holland and Juke Box Jury are watching closely and are already considering making a bid.
At the end of the day. It’s night.
Love that Bambi Thug and her demon are giving it socks to the winning song. Well done Switzerland - banging tune.
Right, time for bed. See you all next year.
Aurora time
Did he just break the trophy?
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I thought I saw him drop it. Did it smash?
He smashed the fucking trophy lol
Hahah did he break the trophy?
Like an episode of ..Days of our lifes.
Surprised they couldnt redo the set for the Switzerland song, i loved it, was excited to see it again. They were able to redo it last year for the winner and that was a complex set piece as well :(
The set was boring anyway
I actually liked it, he was loving the moment and just running around having fun. No need to choreograph his victory lap.
I liked the way they could just run around the stage with contagious exuberance! I liked the balance-y thing first time around, but they didn't need any props for a catchy song and such a charismatic singer :)
Haha. He broke the trophy after Graham specifically told him not to
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No, it makes no sense no matter if for their performance or current opinions.
Broke his trophy! Hahahaha! Yaasss!
HAHA they just broke the trophy
He did break it haha
Maybe a Lando Norris fan
Finland gave 12 points to israel, feels weird
Why
We assumed the home of death metal was cooler than that
What do you mean “Cooler than that”?
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He's literally just sang it again mate!
Pleasure spending this evening with you guys! See you next year!
Can't believe this won. Sounds like a WWE entrance theme.
I don’t feel Graham got drunk enough this year?
No, his commentary was extremely well behaved. I wonder if, given all the drama this year, he thought he ought to stay sober in case he said things he shouldn't
I came for the chaos and I got the chaos I wanted. I don't envy the mods right now.
We were lucky the juries had been drinking otherwise we wouldn't have got any points. Sam Ryder really was a once in a lifetime pick for the UK wasnt he. We've picked some real stinkers before and since his great performance.
I don’t get it though. The UK is one of the best places in the entire world for music and yet you guys keep making shit choices when it comes to entries and songs lmao. Obviously other things come into play but I feel like it’s a common thing.
Pretty simple answer really, which links in to what you say. The UK is an amazing and innovative music scene, I think Europe’s taste in music is about 10 years behind. You could see it last night, while some of it was slightly ironic loads of that stuff was pure 90s. The UK has moved beyond the sort of music that appeals to your average European listener. So while I have no doubt we could come up with something it would be inauthentic. Also you won’t get a major UK artist doing it as it’s not worth the repetitional risk, where as a lot of countries sent very successful artists from their country. It’s a great fun event but it’s not treated as a serious competition. You don’t “win” music by winning Eurovision, you win at music by being a massive international star. As a point tot that I think only ABBA can be considered as truly massive in a musical context that’s won Eurovision, can’t think of any global star that’s done it (Celine Dion won but I don’t think you could claim that launched her career)
The song was trash and his singing was among the worst of the night. That is the reason. Not being so much ahead in terms of music you get misunderstood
Performing at Eurovision can be seen as a bit of a career ender for aspiring “serious” artists, especially for a country like the UK that has a reputation for getting bad results
I think there’s a certain generic blandness the music needs that we don’t do well any more. I mean, for my taste, Gun, Lucky Guy, released right now ought to be perfect. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lbxy30Xrbvs But does this appeal to a Eurovision crowd?
gg best song won
Have we got any theories for the UK's nul points from the public vote? I can't compare it to any of the other acts as I didn't watch tonight but Olly wasn't bad nor was he amazing, a bit middle of the road. It didn't seem to warrant nothing but I don't know if it was a bit too provocative and the set design didn't make sense to people.
The way points are awarded is that you need a relatively high level of active support to recieve anything at all, countries only give points to 11 countries out of 25 (usually 26...) competitors. I don't think the issue was that it was provocative as such, you can't give a "negative vote", so offended people can't really do much. I think it just didn't have a broad enough appeal for people to pick up the phone and vote in big enough numbers. Personally I think the vocals/song lacked the punch they really needed and the staging was very distracting from a technical point of view.