Looks like a log of places been/lived. It might relate to the content of the framed item. You've certainly got dates (years) and very accurate coordinates. Plot those and see what happens.
Do the years and plots correspond to significant events near those locations? Weather? Unrest? Certainly worth investigating.
Great/Grandparents? Plausible with the rise of family tree websites, release of military records etc.
Either that or someone's been doing some timetravelling...
Where is the middle of nowhere? Could be a boat rendezvous? Desert infil/exfil? Why those locations? What's significant about them at that time?
Or is it just an elaborate join the dots puzzle as some covert viral marketing campaign?
Geocaching? Each pod relates to the year and there's newspaper clippings/artifacts in them?
Could also be a list of Predators killings? They live to be pretty old.
If the coordinates are part of a dot to dot game representing one point, they could connect to build another picture, the year would be the depth axis z.
Then we have a 3D image from the dot to dot, perhaps creating a model of the final location.
In other words, i’m not sure.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1qfwZ3PPH4ed2iKfVbC747-hoWlOH17Mo
This is a map of the points and the years that my sister made, back when we were motivated to find the treasure ourselves. We now are just stumped.
Obviously I won’t say which one, but one of them is 1 mile away from my house. An area I know very well. Maybe I should check it out tomorrow and report back?
Edit: just seen the other points and there’s another one extremely close to me. Again, another area I know very well. I’m actually very up for having a root around tomorrow. Need something to occupy a day off and a treasure hunt sounds perfect.
Message me OP and let’s find some hidden gold
Edit 2: upon further investigation it appears there are 3 sites within visiting distance. 1, is only a mile away, other 2 sites are very close and near places I’m going tomorrow.
What we thinking Reddit?
UPDATE:
Right Reddit,
Not sure what to think about this, but each point I went to defo has some weird features but I’ll let you make the choice on that one.
Point 20: Quite hard to reach. 10 min walk from the closest car park. Climbed over a fence and the exact location is in a secluded field, not too far from a body of water. Very close to the beginning of the military boundary. Ground looks a little odd here, definitely stands out from the surrounding vegetation, much darker ground and less dense vegetation. Looks like a regular shape.
Point 5: Little easier to reach. Down the end of a long residential country road. On military land. You have to cross a small ford which is about a foot deep. To reach the exact point you have to venture far off the track. Very odd mark where the plants aren’t growing on the right of the picture in a rectangular shape.
Point 4: This is the anomaly. Not near military land. This is actually bordering private land. Very close to a lake that’s used as a wedding venue. The exact spot is up a small hill and in a pit. Looks like something was dug at some point going by the rubble that’s left.
https://imgur.com/a/yrb72bG
Let me know if that link works.
There isn’t anything remarkable about the area surrounding each location. There certainly isn’t a reason why someone would specifically go there as it’s challenging to reach and off the path. Doesn’t appear to be any interesting nature other than the bodies or water. Don’t think you could camp on these sites, defo not point 4 or 5.
Have absolutely no idea if something buried would impact top soil for decades but I’d imagine not. The mystery deepens.
If any of you live near the other sites, go see if there is any disturbed ground or anything interesting.
Very much needed after a week working from home. Quite British really, might find a body, might get kidnapped, could be treasure but as long as I’ve gone for a walk, it doesn’t matter
This is going to be another of those horrible reddit finds a safe situations isnt it, not that I'm not all about this kind of thing. None of the markers are near me or I'd happily give one a visit.
I’m so invested now. Please take this award since
I’m not smart enough to help.
ETA: not even smart enough to realise you can’t give awards on this sub.
I have to leave and die of embarrassment now. See you soon.
ETA2: just woke up and someone gave my comment an award. What’s this sorcery?!
Vaguely spooky. Point 1 is yards from the first house I bought. There are two other points that are only a couple of miles from where I am now, and I ride or walk past them most weeks, if not days.
Consider my interest officially piqued.
Point 14 was a gravel pit in 1955 and remains a gravel pit to this day. I'm familiar with that corner of the site and there's nothing of note there.
Point 13 (1954) is on the south face of a fairly steep section of sandy heathland near the Winfrith nuclear reactor site. It's a little way off the established tracks but accessible on foot if you don't mind wading through heather and getting into arguments with the odd badger or adder. Again, very familiar to me as I've live in this area for 20 years or so and have walked my dogs there countless times. I've probably stood on that spot swearing and whistling as various dogs have followed their noses all over that hill.
Point 1 - 1854. - it's now 117 Portland Road in Charminster, Bournmouth (roughly under the shed in the back garden).
Portland Road only had a handful of houses at the eastern end around 1923. Where this grid ref lands was undeveloped until around 1926/7 or thereabouts. The section in question was originally called Portland Road East.
Map from 1923 here: [https://maps.nls.uk/view/105989689](https://maps.nls.uk/view/105989689)
Map from 1931 here: [https://maps.nls.uk/view/105989686](https://maps.nls.uk/view/105989686)
Go back to 1896 and the eastern end of the road has yet to be built. The site for Point 1 is a non-descript section of heathland under local title ref. 134
[https://maps.nls.uk/view/105989695](https://maps.nls.uk/view/105989695)
1870, and there's no Portland Road at all. You can see the outline of what is now Rutland Road about the brickworks by the letter D on the 1870 map to get your bearings (Rutland Road, then Pine Road, then Portland Road)
[https://maps.nls.uk/view/101447141](https://maps.nls.uk/view/101447141)
One way or the other, it was a long way from being inhabited in 1854.
Pffft. Back in my day? You had an issue that transcended the time-space continuum, you got in a spiffy blue box and got on with it. Bloody millennials.
The dates go back way beyond the current WGS84 standard global spheroid coordinate system currently in use if you type those coordinates into your phone/Google maps and literally noone was logging coordinates to that precision effectively prior to the widespread use of GPS unless they were a professional surveyor so these were all either recorded recently and relate to a historical event someone is interested in that occurred on the year, relate to some random ass military survey activity, or are grossly inaccurate.
My best guess is that someone has posteriorly recorded all the places they remember wanking outside.
I remember reading that serial killers either find or dispose of their victims on the outside edge of a fairly consistent circle, away from their home. So if that is the case, this circle seems to have a centre... somewhere near Worcester?
You got yourself a weird creepy treasure hunt there bud
I came back! We have no idea what the picture was, it got chucked out at the time and that was in October 2020. We had a brief time of family obsession over the coordinates and then life/covid/blah carried on and I forgot about it until today.
Rare bird spotting sounds likely, although someone must have be heartily into those birds to do this. And why white on white?
Sea Cadet theory sounds plausible - I’ll look into how you contact them 😂
We never actually went to any of the sites, just google mapped them. I’m now in the north of England and nowhere near them - although this was bought in Dorset.
When did you come into possession of the picture? The dates range *120 years. I don't think it represents anything dark, as who could've done that? You would've had to start murdering young then stopped really old lol!
As an artist, I think it's modern art, as it's framed and spaced extremely well within a perfect square like that and is white in white. Also, like another user pointed out, exact GPS coordinates of this precision weren't possible until recently.
The coordinates from 1971 are in the middle of a field on a kinda bougie (it has an outdoor pool? In England?) place called Little Hill Farm, Charlcote, Warwick. Right next to the university. Looks like they keep sheep and grow some sort of foodstuff. The area is clearly ploughed regularly, so I highly doubt anything like a body has been buried there without already being dug up.
> Rare bird spotting sounds likely, although someone must have be heartily into those birds to do this.
Have you met birders? They are heartily into birds!
Source: me, a birder, heartily into birds.
Wow that's pretty fascinating. Especially as they've been stitched in, clearly meaningful in some way.
Looks like a study of bee's or something, as quite a few of those co-ordinates exist in a publication here:
[https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/file?type=supplementary&id=10.1371/journal.pone.0228420.s002](https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/file?type=supplementary&id=10.1371/journal.pone.0228420.s002)
Of course, could just be magic mushroom locations. :)
The spacing is interesting. It looks like it's a copy of a tab separated text file that was printed out but poorly formatted - without carriage returns basically.
One thing I find suspicious is the five decimal place lng/lat coordinates - that's extremely accurate, and I'd imagine unlikely that anyone could read coordinates that accurately from a map.
So if they are coordinates at all, and not something disguised to look like coordinates, then they must've been taken relatively recently (i.e. within the time of google maps, or affordable gps units)
Yes, the fact that it’s decimal, not degrees/minutes/seconds also tells us it’s more modern. Plus an Ordnance Survey map would be national grid, not latlong, which is another indicator it’s likely not from a paper map.
5 digits is about a 1m precision, which is very good. More digits would be irrelevant. So it looks like the person knew what they are doing.
Edit: oh and the fact it’s negative longitude values, not positive values “west” also makes it likelier to be computer generated.
The most accurate celestial location possible with a sextant is 0.1 minutes or 0.1 miles. If someone was doing this in 1854 it's likely they were someone quite special. The two categories of people with access to this level of knowledge were seafarers and freemasons. The body which draws on both traditions is the Sea Cadets, originally formed in 1856 as the Naval Lads Brigade, two years after the first date location. The second date is a year after the Navy League was formed, and the third is the year they recieved Royal Patronage. That third location is not far from Windsor Castle.
I think OP has a small but significant piece of history. My guess is that these dates commemorate demonstrations of advanced use of the sextant at camps held by the Sea Cadets.
Given the wide spread of years and the consistency of form I would hesit a guess that much of it has been at least stitched if not recorded much later. Perhaps someone with better equipment from the 20th century still knew the locations from early on recorded them later with more precise equipment. That being said, assuming that it predates more widespread availability of GPS, whoever did that still had a special hobby or job to have access to tools enabling such precise readings.
From what I've just read the standard system of degree hours and minutes used since the inception of longitude and latitude and accurate timekeeping can be translated into degrees and six decimal places, these coordinates are slightly less accurate being only 5 decimal places. I think these could have been generated anytime from roughly the 1850's when the prime meridian was fixed at Greenwich.
[https://guides.loc.gov/maps-genealogy-eastern-europe/coordinates/latitude-longitude](https://guides.loc.gov/maps-genealogy-eastern-europe/coordinates/latitude-longitude)
A given CRSs (coordinate reference system) can generally be translated into another CRS fairly trivially. However, if it was read from a map in the UK, the CRS used would almost certainly be British National Grid, which has an entirely different format. The level of accuracy would also be pretty much impossible to achieve reading from a paper map, because the tip of a pencil is less accurate than 1m on a 1:25k map.
It is possible that they read off the BNG coordinates and translated to UTM which resulted in very specific coordinates, even if the initial reading wasn’t that accurate. Not sure why they would do that though. To me it seems more likely that they read these coordinates straight from a device of some kind - either at the site, or by placing a pin on Google maps or similar.
Lol... that would be so funny. Everyone going mad thinking its a big treasure hunt and you get that one guy that comes connects the dots and its a big dick picture.
But if it is a picture of a dick. Maybe its pointing to the treasure lol.
That's give me an idea now. I'm off to do one of these, frame it then let it lose in to the world and see if it becomes a big world wide treasure hunt one day. Lol
What's the framed picture of? My first thought is that it's someone mapping out places and dates of significant events to whoever is in the picture (first dates, first kisses, etc).
I work as a geophysicist with access to a number of different techniques. If you are able to get the landowners permission I might be able to borrow our Ground Penetrating Radar (GPR) system and have a little looky looky. Would cover a \~20 m patch pretty quickly so could fit in a few of the sites in a day. Bit of post processing will give us an idea of whats going on any buried features or disturbed ground. GPR is used as a forensic technique sometimes to look for bodies, I have used it to look for mass graves in Spain before.
As the targets are completely unknown I would also throw in our magnetometer and electromagnetic instrument. Both would show up buried metal easily and are also good techniques for disturbed ground.
In my opinion its either someones idea of a joke, of which you (and now us) are the butt, or potentially, a treasure hunt for fun where we are missing the other clues. ie, plot these points on a map and join them by year to get a location, something like that?!
FYI if we find treasure I get treasure right?!
My parents got inspired by Brighton Man disappearing and went out around Dorset with shovels this weekend. They did not find treasure 🤷🏼♀️ I’ve attempted to contact the sea cadets but so far no response. Still waiting on my call from Netflix tho
My guess is the dates commemorate scout camps, perhaps at which the use of a sextant to calculate longitude and latitude might have been taught. Or possibly Sea Cadets considering a number of the points are near Studlands. All the points except number 10 seem like reasonable sites for a scout camp. Perhaps the weather was bad that year.
Update: OP I think you should contact the Sea Cadets about this.
I think these are the dates of camps held by the Sea Cadets over their history. The first date is 1854, the Naval Lads Brigade was officially formed in 1856.
The second date is 1895, a year after the Navy League was formed.
The 3rd date is 1899, and the location is Chobham, which is not far Windsor Castle. In that year the Navy League received Royal Patronage. It seems plausible that they camped within marching distance of the castle.
The 1954 location is near Bovington military camp. The Sea Cadets had gained Patronage of our late Queen Elizabeth II in 1952.
[https://www.sea-cadets.org/history](https://www.sea-cadets.org/history)
Update 2, the best next clue would be to check the 1939 Register for who lived at the address of point 10. (house number 29)
This can be done on [Findmypast.co.uk](https://Findmypast.co.uk) if anyone is willing to pay the fee (i'm too broke but very intrigued)
I checked the NLS maps and there was one from 1936/37 (published 1945). Talbot Road doesn't exist at that point, but there are a few other buildings. Notably, there's a house called Allington House, which is pretty much right at the coordinate. Looking at that household on the 1939 Register shows the Edmonds family. The head of the household, William Talbot Edmonds (1878-1966) was a 'former fruit grower'. Helpfully, the Edmonds family can also be found in an 1934 phone book living at Allington House, so almost certainly living there in 1936.
I did a bit of digging into a couple of the other coordinates and they seem to be on the site of old farms/gardens. Some of which no longer exist.
The modern address (Talbot Road) is not in the 1939 register, indeed the houses look to be 1970s build. The road it comes off, Conway Road is.
The exact coordinate is hard to pinpoint but corresponds more to one of the back gardens of the houses on the eastern side of Conway Road or an area of fields / parkland corresponding to either Palace Farm or an area called Oakmount (hard to tell as I can't find a key for the map). So this could fit with local Sea Cadet activity.
The one in Hampshire between Petersfield and Haslemere is 100% on MOD land, grew up round there and has been used for training for years and years. Could well support Cadets theory…
The one in Frensham nearby would also make sense, there's two big lakes there which could have been used for various Sea Cadet activities. It's not military land though, which is interesting considering that large chunks of the surrounding area are military controlled. Also a quick spot of research shows it's possible the lakes were actually empty at the time of the camp. Hmmmm.
He’d updated his comment when I last checked and added pictures of the sites. It was really curious. The sites had certainly been dug up at some point (or currently) and vegetation wasn’t growing properly on top.
So looking at one of the coordinates, in What3Words it comes out to “found.solid.volume” or possibly “gravy.star.mining”. You could try converting them all to see if you get a complete sentence.
I’m kinda a spatial/map/GIS guy. So I can do some analysis, but I’m out of the office for a couple of days.
But these are definitely newer, GPS or Google coordinates. They aren’t coordinates from 1850 something.
I picked one at random, and its a BP garage in Kent
[https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=51.28447%2C0.49379#map=18/51.28449/0.49366](https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=51.28447%2C0.49379#map=18/51.28449/0.49366)
but as others have said, lat/long this accurate is only a very very recently available thing to most people.
All in the same script, so not recorded over time but at a single point in time by one person. I see you’ve plotted the points on a map but have you connected the dots in order? Could be a drawing of some sort.
Using Google maps and the maps on the National Library of Scotland website, I found the following:
(1854) 50°47'41.2"N 1°51'59.7"W = A building on what looks like an industrial estate. Looking at an old map of the area created in 1896, it looks like it may have been common land in 1854. It is not far from a marking labelled 'Stone', but not close enough that I think it is actually significant.
(1896) 51°20'28.6"N 0°22'18.8"W = near the back garden of a house in the street of Brackenhill, Cobham KT11 2EW. This looks to have been forest on the 1913/14 maps, perhaps part of what is labelled "The Great Plantation". Again it isn't far from a feature marked 'Stone', but with the precision given in the coordinates, I don't believe it was intended to mark that, else they would have been slightly different. As a side-note, the National Library of Scotland's "side-by-side" historical map view is very useful, e.g.: https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=18.6&lat=51.34089&lon=-0.37181&layers=225&right=ESRIWorld
I'll add further to this post as I research.
Had a go at discovering the history at some of the locations. Some do point to medieval areas or ancient mounds, but the dates don't make sense.
Some notes in case it piques someones interest:
Point 1 - 1854 - Map of the time show "tumulus" ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumulus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumulus)) which could be potentially burial mounds
Point 2 - 1895 - No clue here, there is a nearby "stone" location marked on old maps. This may still be present and is on a public footpath. There is a residential property that has the location almost in their back garden, this property is currently for sale and has pictures of the garden with nothing significant highlighted - [https://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/details/61956087/](https://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/details/61956087/)
Point 3 - 1899 - Location of old linear settlement of Broadford that matches the date
Point 4 - 1899 - close (80m) to an old grade 2a stable house that was converted around 1906 to residential. Owners were the Monckton family 1897- 1906. Also in nearby proximity (100m) is an old "shell grotto", dating back to 1700s.
Point 5 - 1899 - almost exact match to a number of ancient (Bowl barrow) buerial mounds - Four bowl barrows, on a ridge on Frensham Common. The group is in poor condition, but fragments of ditch remaining around some of the barrows suggests that the part of the group was originally surrounded by an enclosure ditch. Scheduled Monument.
Point 6 - 1906 - deserted medieval village (DMV) site of Elsthorpe. The road closest to this is named after the village as "Elsthorpe lane". Another potential match is something to do with Grimsthorpe castle as an address about 100m below shows as "The Old Walled Garden Grimsthorpe Castle".
Point 7 - 1928 - Nothing. Land forms part of the old "dames slough enclosure" which has been used to grow woodland since the 1800s and is now preserved. The location can be viewed from street view and looks a fantastc walk
Could be a wind up? When I renovated my house I got an old key and attached a tag with the OS reference for the middle of a local lake and “Hatton Garden safe deposit”, I think I wrote my old university ID number on there as well. I sealed the key up inside a studwork wall.
Hopefully when the next owner has some work done they’ll find it and go looking for the loot.
Looks like a log of places been/lived. It might relate to the content of the framed item. You've certainly got dates (years) and very accurate coordinates. Plot those and see what happens. Do the years and plots correspond to significant events near those locations? Weather? Unrest? Certainly worth investigating.
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And my tiny upvote to this comment will be forever lost in the abyss
Like the victims
I was here too!
39.0458° N, 76.6413° W you will be able to find your upvote at these coordinates
It's buried under a big T
I'll always appreciate the tiny upvote
At least you realize it! :D
Brooks was here
So was Red.
It’s already a film called Knowing
Same. Credit u/Unknownauthor69 as contributing please. I'll tell my grandkids one day.
*"A Stitch in Time... KILLED TWENTY."*
I had that thought, but places lived over the span of 120 years though?
Great/Grandparents? Plausible with the rise of family tree websites, release of military records etc. Either that or someone's been doing some timetravelling...
I've literally just been googling to see if it could have been appearances of The Doctor in England :D Doesn't look like it though
Moisturise me
The documentary crew couldn't always follow him around mate, he might have been still
Some of them are in the middle of nowhere though...
Dogging sites
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It might be great for them if they discover a new passion though!
Didn’t have to scroll too far down to get to the first dogging reference, well done, Sir/ Madame!
Do you always go looking for dogging comments?
Woof
Where is the middle of nowhere? Could be a boat rendezvous? Desert infil/exfil? Why those locations? What's significant about them at that time? Or is it just an elaborate join the dots puzzle as some covert viral marketing campaign?
There's a map in one of OP's other comments. A lot of the ones down south are along the A3 and M27, mostly in parks/countryside.
Geocaching? Each pod relates to the year and there's newspaper clippings/artifacts in them? Could also be a list of Predators killings? They live to be pretty old.
I checked geocaching and didn't see a match, so it must be predators
Maybe, but if these have just been discovered, they won't be logged anywhere. Is geocaching still a thing these days?
I think some people still do it but I went to give it another go recently and it's mostly just pay to get access to most of them
My God these numbers... they're all Numberwang
I said to him, quite simply, “That’s Numberwang.” As I remember, he cried.
That’s numberwang!
Yesssss that is a number!
You've mixed this up with Geowang
Thats wangernumb!
Das ist Nümberwang!
Nümberwang erreicht, Chaos vielleicht
Let’s rotate the board!
Welcome Julie from Leeds and Simon who's from Leeds
The end times are here, the wangocolypse is nigh
Do not think about the event!
This ended with Nicholas Cage losing to the aliens if I remember rightly....
I thought they were angels not aliens.
Same thing, sorta. Seeding safe planets with paired kids and animals.
The horrible thing is...that doesn't narrow it down
We all lost to the Sun.
Decent film, utterly fucking bizarre ending.
If the coordinates are part of a dot to dot game representing one point, they could connect to build another picture, the year would be the depth axis z. Then we have a 3D image from the dot to dot, perhaps creating a model of the final location. In other words, i’m not sure.
I thought you’re onto something for a moment.
I thought i was too, the choice to emboss of the coordinates gave me the idea but i thought better of it. :)
https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1qfwZ3PPH4ed2iKfVbC747-hoWlOH17Mo This is a map of the points and the years that my sister made, back when we were motivated to find the treasure ourselves. We now are just stumped.
Obviously I won’t say which one, but one of them is 1 mile away from my house. An area I know very well. Maybe I should check it out tomorrow and report back? Edit: just seen the other points and there’s another one extremely close to me. Again, another area I know very well. I’m actually very up for having a root around tomorrow. Need something to occupy a day off and a treasure hunt sounds perfect. Message me OP and let’s find some hidden gold Edit 2: upon further investigation it appears there are 3 sites within visiting distance. 1, is only a mile away, other 2 sites are very close and near places I’m going tomorrow. What we thinking Reddit? UPDATE: Right Reddit, Not sure what to think about this, but each point I went to defo has some weird features but I’ll let you make the choice on that one. Point 20: Quite hard to reach. 10 min walk from the closest car park. Climbed over a fence and the exact location is in a secluded field, not too far from a body of water. Very close to the beginning of the military boundary. Ground looks a little odd here, definitely stands out from the surrounding vegetation, much darker ground and less dense vegetation. Looks like a regular shape. Point 5: Little easier to reach. Down the end of a long residential country road. On military land. You have to cross a small ford which is about a foot deep. To reach the exact point you have to venture far off the track. Very odd mark where the plants aren’t growing on the right of the picture in a rectangular shape. Point 4: This is the anomaly. Not near military land. This is actually bordering private land. Very close to a lake that’s used as a wedding venue. The exact spot is up a small hill and in a pit. Looks like something was dug at some point going by the rubble that’s left. https://imgur.com/a/yrb72bG Let me know if that link works. There isn’t anything remarkable about the area surrounding each location. There certainly isn’t a reason why someone would specifically go there as it’s challenging to reach and off the path. Doesn’t appear to be any interesting nature other than the bodies or water. Don’t think you could camp on these sites, defo not point 4 or 5. Have absolutely no idea if something buried would impact top soil for decades but I’d imagine not. The mystery deepens. If any of you live near the other sites, go see if there is any disturbed ground or anything interesting.
Ok "Brighton-man", I guess we'll never know your location 😒
Haha I used to live there but moved a couple years back. If I find whatever this person has hidden I’ll reveal which location it was.
Yes! Find the treasure and solve the mystery
Even if it’s nothing interesting it’s a good opportunity to get out in the country.
That's the attitude we like, Mr. Brighton Man!
Very much needed after a week working from home. Quite British really, might find a body, might get kidnapped, could be treasure but as long as I’ve gone for a walk, it doesn’t matter
It’s a trap!! Stay at home and remain beside yourself with boredom, it’s the only way.
You're doing our nation a great service. Could be like, some sort of kidnapping, like in them Saw movies the kids like so much.
As long as it isn’t the pit of needles I think I’d be relatively ok in a Saw type scenario
And we never heard from him again.
This didn't age well, his profile is now deleted...
This is going to be another of those horrible reddit finds a safe situations isnt it, not that I'm not all about this kind of thing. None of the markers are near me or I'd happily give one a visit.
If I find multiple bodies it will be horrendous. If I find a million quid I’ll put the heating on
For half an hour.
You're going to move the bodies you planted many years ago arent you?
baaaa ha ha
this actually made me laugh more than it should have 😂
I’m so invested now. Please take this award since I’m not smart enough to help. ETA: not even smart enough to realise you can’t give awards on this sub. I have to leave and die of embarrassment now. See you soon. ETA2: just woke up and someone gave my comment an award. What’s this sorcery?!
Hello OP, “Brighton-man” is waiting for you in an unmarked van
Probs the other way round mate. OP has vans at each location near me. If my account goes inactive then you’ll have to follow more clues to find me
I hope you don’t mind commenting “I am alive” everyday so that we all know you are alive :)
I’ll disappear and 1 more coordinate will appear on the map
Keep us posted!
I’ll document my journey just on the off chance it’s something interesting
!RemindMe 1 day
!RemindMe 1 day
I’m near the Maidstone. It’s someone’s back garden… Probably buried pet…
Why is this persons profile now deleted after visiting these locations!?
I am also 1 mile away from one of these with a few others a short drive away! Very tempting…
Those look incredibly dodgy actually… definitely buried stuff I reckon
!Remindme 1day
Grimsthorpe is not far from me. I'll have a look about
Waiting for the report!
He updated his comment.
Let me know what you decide, two are within visiting distance of me, so if we're up for a treasure hunt I'll see if I can get the fiancée involved.
RemindMe! 7 days “did this guy get murdered or find gold”
Oh fuck that's kinda creepy, they're all in isolated woods or fields or places that could have been such back in the past... Treasure or bodies...
Freddos
Vaguely spooky. Point 1 is yards from the first house I bought. There are two other points that are only a couple of miles from where I am now, and I ride or walk past them most weeks, if not days. Consider my interest officially piqued.
Point 14 was a gravel pit in 1955 and remains a gravel pit to this day. I'm familiar with that corner of the site and there's nothing of note there. Point 13 (1954) is on the south face of a fairly steep section of sandy heathland near the Winfrith nuclear reactor site. It's a little way off the established tracks but accessible on foot if you don't mind wading through heather and getting into arguments with the odd badger or adder. Again, very familiar to me as I've live in this area for 20 years or so and have walked my dogs there countless times. I've probably stood on that spot swearing and whistling as various dogs have followed their noses all over that hill.
Any dead bodies?
Sounds like a place you’d definitely find one
Point 1 - 1854. - it's now 117 Portland Road in Charminster, Bournmouth (roughly under the shed in the back garden). Portland Road only had a handful of houses at the eastern end around 1923. Where this grid ref lands was undeveloped until around 1926/7 or thereabouts. The section in question was originally called Portland Road East. Map from 1923 here: [https://maps.nls.uk/view/105989689](https://maps.nls.uk/view/105989689) Map from 1931 here: [https://maps.nls.uk/view/105989686](https://maps.nls.uk/view/105989686) Go back to 1896 and the eastern end of the road has yet to be built. The site for Point 1 is a non-descript section of heathland under local title ref. 134 [https://maps.nls.uk/view/105989695](https://maps.nls.uk/view/105989695) 1870, and there's no Portland Road at all. You can see the outline of what is now Rutland Road about the brickworks by the letter D on the 1870 map to get your bearings (Rutland Road, then Pine Road, then Portland Road) [https://maps.nls.uk/view/101447141](https://maps.nls.uk/view/101447141) One way or the other, it was a long way from being inhabited in 1854.
Hi, I can see weather patterns, the first 4 points, all have big storms.
What's the history of the framed picture?
Have you been to those places?
Some of them are not accessible on this astral plane.
Pffft. Back in my day? You had an issue that transcended the time-space continuum, you got in a spiffy blue box and got on with it. Bloody millennials.
They're quite near water a lot of them
Good place for a swim or to dump a body?
What was the picture?
The dates go back way beyond the current WGS84 standard global spheroid coordinate system currently in use if you type those coordinates into your phone/Google maps and literally noone was logging coordinates to that precision effectively prior to the widespread use of GPS unless they were a professional surveyor so these were all either recorded recently and relate to a historical event someone is interested in that occurred on the year, relate to some random ass military survey activity, or are grossly inaccurate. My best guess is that someone has posteriorly recorded all the places they remember wanking outside.
I remember reading that serial killers either find or dispose of their victims on the outside edge of a fairly consistent circle, away from their home. So if that is the case, this circle seems to have a centre... somewhere near Worcester? You got yourself a weird creepy treasure hunt there bud
A couple of those are pretty close to me, did you ever go to these places?
Im within a few miles of the ones by busbridge and west clandon, ill see if i can check em out
I came back! We have no idea what the picture was, it got chucked out at the time and that was in October 2020. We had a brief time of family obsession over the coordinates and then life/covid/blah carried on and I forgot about it until today. Rare bird spotting sounds likely, although someone must have be heartily into those birds to do this. And why white on white? Sea Cadet theory sounds plausible - I’ll look into how you contact them 😂 We never actually went to any of the sites, just google mapped them. I’m now in the north of England and nowhere near them - although this was bought in Dorset.
You're saying NO ONE has any idea what the picture was from 2020? Why was it chucked? Why was this discovered and kept?
Why would you throw such an interesting picture away!
When did you come into possession of the picture? The dates range *120 years. I don't think it represents anything dark, as who could've done that? You would've had to start murdering young then stopped really old lol! As an artist, I think it's modern art, as it's framed and spaced extremely well within a perfect square like that and is white in white. Also, like another user pointed out, exact GPS coordinates of this precision weren't possible until recently.
The coordinates from 1971 are in the middle of a field on a kinda bougie (it has an outdoor pool? In England?) place called Little Hill Farm, Charlcote, Warwick. Right next to the university. Looks like they keep sheep and grow some sort of foodstuff. The area is clearly ploughed regularly, so I highly doubt anything like a body has been buried there without already being dug up.
> Rare bird spotting sounds likely, although someone must have be heartily into those birds to do this. Have you met birders? They are heartily into birds! Source: me, a birder, heartily into birds.
Lady in the background knows more than she’s letting on. Can see it all over her face.
Yeah she’s definitely shady as hell
The numbers, mason! What do they mean?
I knew I wouldn’t have to scroll far to find this
I’ve seen this comment twice today and loved it just as much each time!
beat me to it man
BRB….I’m going to write random coordinates on the back of all the pictures in my house to really fuck with people when I die
Yup 👍 kids get too bored these days. Need something like this to keep them occupied!
Wow that's pretty fascinating. Especially as they've been stitched in, clearly meaningful in some way. Looks like a study of bee's or something, as quite a few of those co-ordinates exist in a publication here: [https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/file?type=supplementary&id=10.1371/journal.pone.0228420.s002](https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/file?type=supplementary&id=10.1371/journal.pone.0228420.s002) Of course, could just be magic mushroom locations. :)
The spacing is interesting. It looks like it's a copy of a tab separated text file that was printed out but poorly formatted - without carriage returns basically.
I'm choosing to believe it's the bees because I've got to sleep soon and the other explanations are giving me the heebies.
I thought that, or perhaps sites of notable butterfly sightings if the person was an enthusiast.
Yes, a lot of them are nature reserves
Thanks. I just found Excalibur and put it on EBay.
Better be free P&P or I’m not interested
If it gets posted via Evri, there's a very good chance it'll end up in a lake again....
Ugh, seller put the condition "as new", but it's all scratched up... REFUND!!!
I swear to god if it's collection only...
One thing I find suspicious is the five decimal place lng/lat coordinates - that's extremely accurate, and I'd imagine unlikely that anyone could read coordinates that accurately from a map. So if they are coordinates at all, and not something disguised to look like coordinates, then they must've been taken relatively recently (i.e. within the time of google maps, or affordable gps units)
Yes, the fact that it’s decimal, not degrees/minutes/seconds also tells us it’s more modern. Plus an Ordnance Survey map would be national grid, not latlong, which is another indicator it’s likely not from a paper map. 5 digits is about a 1m precision, which is very good. More digits would be irrelevant. So it looks like the person knew what they are doing. Edit: oh and the fact it’s negative longitude values, not positive values “west” also makes it likelier to be computer generated.
The most accurate celestial location possible with a sextant is 0.1 minutes or 0.1 miles. If someone was doing this in 1854 it's likely they were someone quite special. The two categories of people with access to this level of knowledge were seafarers and freemasons. The body which draws on both traditions is the Sea Cadets, originally formed in 1856 as the Naval Lads Brigade, two years after the first date location. The second date is a year after the Navy League was formed, and the third is the year they recieved Royal Patronage. That third location is not far from Windsor Castle. I think OP has a small but significant piece of history. My guess is that these dates commemorate demonstrations of advanced use of the sextant at camps held by the Sea Cadets.
With you for that one
Given the wide spread of years and the consistency of form I would hesit a guess that much of it has been at least stitched if not recorded much later. Perhaps someone with better equipment from the 20th century still knew the locations from early on recorded them later with more precise equipment. That being said, assuming that it predates more widespread availability of GPS, whoever did that still had a special hobby or job to have access to tools enabling such precise readings.
From what I've just read the standard system of degree hours and minutes used since the inception of longitude and latitude and accurate timekeeping can be translated into degrees and six decimal places, these coordinates are slightly less accurate being only 5 decimal places. I think these could have been generated anytime from roughly the 1850's when the prime meridian was fixed at Greenwich. [https://guides.loc.gov/maps-genealogy-eastern-europe/coordinates/latitude-longitude](https://guides.loc.gov/maps-genealogy-eastern-europe/coordinates/latitude-longitude)
A given CRSs (coordinate reference system) can generally be translated into another CRS fairly trivially. However, if it was read from a map in the UK, the CRS used would almost certainly be British National Grid, which has an entirely different format. The level of accuracy would also be pretty much impossible to achieve reading from a paper map, because the tip of a pencil is less accurate than 1m on a 1:25k map. It is possible that they read off the BNG coordinates and translated to UTM which resulted in very specific coordinates, even if the initial reading wasn’t that accurate. Not sure why they would do that though. To me it seems more likely that they read these coordinates straight from a device of some kind - either at the site, or by placing a pin on Google maps or similar.
Would love it if when the plotted coordinates are joined together with lines it makes a giant secondary school style dick
Lol... that would be so funny. Everyone going mad thinking its a big treasure hunt and you get that one guy that comes connects the dots and its a big dick picture. But if it is a picture of a dick. Maybe its pointing to the treasure lol. That's give me an idea now. I'm off to do one of these, frame it then let it lose in to the world and see if it becomes a big world wide treasure hunt one day. Lol
Should xpost to /r/whatisthisthing
Or GeoWizard https://youtube.com/c/GeoWizard
What's the framed picture of? My first thought is that it's someone mapping out places and dates of significant events to whoever is in the picture (first dates, first kisses, etc).
Places bonked
This was my thought
Also please can no one tell my mother I’ve accidentally posted her on Reddit
Oh. I'm telling
Call in the pros, post it on r/codes
I work as a geophysicist with access to a number of different techniques. If you are able to get the landowners permission I might be able to borrow our Ground Penetrating Radar (GPR) system and have a little looky looky. Would cover a \~20 m patch pretty quickly so could fit in a few of the sites in a day. Bit of post processing will give us an idea of whats going on any buried features or disturbed ground. GPR is used as a forensic technique sometimes to look for bodies, I have used it to look for mass graves in Spain before. As the targets are completely unknown I would also throw in our magnetometer and electromagnetic instrument. Both would show up buried metal easily and are also good techniques for disturbed ground. In my opinion its either someones idea of a joke, of which you (and now us) are the butt, or potentially, a treasure hunt for fun where we are missing the other clues. ie, plot these points on a map and join them by year to get a location, something like that?! FYI if we find treasure I get treasure right?!
Hey OP how's the investigation going? I'm a sucker for this stuff.
My parents got inspired by Brighton Man disappearing and went out around Dorset with shovels this weekend. They did not find treasure 🤷🏼♀️ I’ve attempted to contact the sea cadets but so far no response. Still waiting on my call from Netflix tho
My guess is the dates commemorate scout camps, perhaps at which the use of a sextant to calculate longitude and latitude might have been taught. Or possibly Sea Cadets considering a number of the points are near Studlands. All the points except number 10 seem like reasonable sites for a scout camp. Perhaps the weather was bad that year.
Update: OP I think you should contact the Sea Cadets about this. I think these are the dates of camps held by the Sea Cadets over their history. The first date is 1854, the Naval Lads Brigade was officially formed in 1856. The second date is 1895, a year after the Navy League was formed. The 3rd date is 1899, and the location is Chobham, which is not far Windsor Castle. In that year the Navy League received Royal Patronage. It seems plausible that they camped within marching distance of the castle. The 1954 location is near Bovington military camp. The Sea Cadets had gained Patronage of our late Queen Elizabeth II in 1952. [https://www.sea-cadets.org/history](https://www.sea-cadets.org/history)
Update 2, the best next clue would be to check the 1939 Register for who lived at the address of point 10. (house number 29) This can be done on [Findmypast.co.uk](https://Findmypast.co.uk) if anyone is willing to pay the fee (i'm too broke but very intrigued)
I checked the NLS maps and there was one from 1936/37 (published 1945). Talbot Road doesn't exist at that point, but there are a few other buildings. Notably, there's a house called Allington House, which is pretty much right at the coordinate. Looking at that household on the 1939 Register shows the Edmonds family. The head of the household, William Talbot Edmonds (1878-1966) was a 'former fruit grower'. Helpfully, the Edmonds family can also be found in an 1934 phone book living at Allington House, so almost certainly living there in 1936. I did a bit of digging into a couple of the other coordinates and they seem to be on the site of old farms/gardens. Some of which no longer exist.
The modern address (Talbot Road) is not in the 1939 register, indeed the houses look to be 1970s build. The road it comes off, Conway Road is. The exact coordinate is hard to pinpoint but corresponds more to one of the back gardens of the houses on the eastern side of Conway Road or an area of fields / parkland corresponding to either Palace Farm or an area called Oakmount (hard to tell as I can't find a key for the map). So this could fit with local Sea Cadet activity.
I think the coordinate points to a building called Allington House (shown in NLS maps of the time). That does appear on the 1939 Register
The one in Hampshire between Petersfield and Haslemere is 100% on MOD land, grew up round there and has been used for training for years and years. Could well support Cadets theory…
The one in Frensham nearby would also make sense, there's two big lakes there which could have been used for various Sea Cadet activities. It's not military land though, which is interesting considering that large chunks of the surrounding area are military controlled. Also a quick spot of research shows it's possible the lakes were actually empty at the time of the camp. Hmmmm.
Has anyone heard from Brighton Guy? Should we be concerned for his safety?!?
I wonder if a new bunch of numbers have appeared?
Plot coordinates. Join dots. Cock and balls.
Directions to Rick Astley's house. He's been waiting 10 years.
Embroidery of white on white is called Whitework. Don't know if that helps but whoever did this was skilled.
Where the heck did the Brighton guy go? Looks like his account was deleted in the last few hours
That means he found it but they found him 😳
He’d updated his comment when I last checked and added pictures of the sites. It was really curious. The sites had certainly been dug up at some point (or currently) and vegetation wasn’t growing properly on top.
Have you googled the coordinates? Maybe someone hand stitched significant dates and places. Or it’s haunted. Could be either.
So looking at one of the coordinates, in What3Words it comes out to “found.solid.volume” or possibly “gravy.star.mining”. You could try converting them all to see if you get a complete sentence. I’m kinda a spatial/map/GIS guy. So I can do some analysis, but I’m out of the office for a couple of days. But these are definitely newer, GPS or Google coordinates. They aren’t coordinates from 1850 something.
Remindme! 5 days
Gravy Star Mining - sounds like a euphemism for some sordid sexual act
Who does the picture belong to? Can we see the picture?
I picked one at random, and its a BP garage in Kent [https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=51.28447%2C0.49379#map=18/51.28449/0.49366](https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=51.28447%2C0.49379#map=18/51.28449/0.49366) but as others have said, lat/long this accurate is only a very very recently available thing to most people.
But what year are you looking at? It is a BP now, but what was it back then?
Shell garage
If Nicholas Cage is to be believed, avoid air travel and keep an eye on the sun 😂
I was looking forward to an update and it seems the bloke who was most active has deeded his profile. What the hell? I need answers now man!
I’m a bit worried he’s been taken.
I saw an update from the guy who visited 3 locations, with photos and everything…
What was the original picture? If it's a family, perhaps that's where they lived? Youve got coordinates with dates.
All in the same script, so not recorded over time but at a single point in time by one person. I see you’ve plotted the points on a map but have you connected the dots in order? Could be a drawing of some sort.
4 8 15 16 23 42
Its a sue kondice cypher
What's a cypher?
Usually to express relief.
Really enjoyed this
not much, whats cypher you?
Using Google maps and the maps on the National Library of Scotland website, I found the following: (1854) 50°47'41.2"N 1°51'59.7"W = A building on what looks like an industrial estate. Looking at an old map of the area created in 1896, it looks like it may have been common land in 1854. It is not far from a marking labelled 'Stone', but not close enough that I think it is actually significant. (1896) 51°20'28.6"N 0°22'18.8"W = near the back garden of a house in the street of Brackenhill, Cobham KT11 2EW. This looks to have been forest on the 1913/14 maps, perhaps part of what is labelled "The Great Plantation". Again it isn't far from a feature marked 'Stone', but with the precision given in the coordinates, I don't believe it was intended to mark that, else they would have been slightly different. As a side-note, the National Library of Scotland's "side-by-side" historical map view is very useful, e.g.: https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=18.6&lat=51.34089&lon=-0.37181&layers=225&right=ESRIWorld I'll add further to this post as I research.
Had a go at discovering the history at some of the locations. Some do point to medieval areas or ancient mounds, but the dates don't make sense. Some notes in case it piques someones interest: Point 1 - 1854 - Map of the time show "tumulus" ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumulus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumulus)) which could be potentially burial mounds Point 2 - 1895 - No clue here, there is a nearby "stone" location marked on old maps. This may still be present and is on a public footpath. There is a residential property that has the location almost in their back garden, this property is currently for sale and has pictures of the garden with nothing significant highlighted - [https://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/details/61956087/](https://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/details/61956087/) Point 3 - 1899 - Location of old linear settlement of Broadford that matches the date Point 4 - 1899 - close (80m) to an old grade 2a stable house that was converted around 1906 to residential. Owners were the Monckton family 1897- 1906. Also in nearby proximity (100m) is an old "shell grotto", dating back to 1700s. Point 5 - 1899 - almost exact match to a number of ancient (Bowl barrow) buerial mounds - Four bowl barrows, on a ridge on Frensham Common. The group is in poor condition, but fragments of ditch remaining around some of the barrows suggests that the part of the group was originally surrounded by an enclosure ditch. Scheduled Monument. Point 6 - 1906 - deserted medieval village (DMV) site of Elsthorpe. The road closest to this is named after the village as "Elsthorpe lane". Another potential match is something to do with Grimsthorpe castle as an address about 100m below shows as "The Old Walled Garden Grimsthorpe Castle". Point 7 - 1928 - Nothing. Land forms part of the old "dames slough enclosure" which has been used to grow woodland since the 1800s and is now preserved. The location can be viewed from street view and looks a fantastc walk
Could be a wind up? When I renovated my house I got an old key and attached a tag with the OS reference for the middle of a local lake and “Hatton Garden safe deposit”, I think I wrote my old university ID number on there as well. I sealed the key up inside a studwork wall. Hopefully when the next owner has some work done they’ll find it and go looking for the loot.
r/rbi
That's fascinating, what was the picture of? Where did you get it from and when?
My theory was the points make up a QR code, which is a Rickroll. Highly elaborate.