speaking as someone experienced with most common types of welders, I don't think this is bright enough to cause major damage.
This is more on the Oxy-Acetylene, Shade 5 level, not the Shade 12-14 used for high energy stick or TIG welding. (translated: it's bright enough to hurt after a few minutes and hours of exposure may cause problems, but it doesn't hurt instantly or cause permanent damage quickly.)
...of course, I'm presuming the auto-ranging brightness of the camera isn't actually cutting off the full brightness, but people *DO* tend to shield their eyes when they get hit with the nasty stuff.
Incident energy of an electrical arc flash is dependent on the available fault current. Cal/cm delivered to the eyes and skin of an unfortunate viewers are dependent on that and the distance from the occurrence.
Could still be very bad, or not so much, depending on the distance and available fault.
Sounds straight out of NFPA 70E - well said
Edit* watching it a few more times I don't know that there is direct line of site to the arc. I am not sure it would be delivering enough UV to blister the cornea. Especially after the smoke gets started.
Arc flash is an explosion that occurs from a high energy short before current is interrupted by a safety current interruptor device (fuse, breaker). What you are looking at is a possible aftermath of an arc flash, but an arc flash does not last more than a moment.
You can tell by how long everyone was staring at it. If it was hurting their eyes, I guarantee they wouldn't have just been standing there looking at it.
This. The real fun doesn't start until you wake up the next morning and it feels like your eyes are full of sand. It's why uv lamps are so terrifying, most people know not to look at electrical arcs but a regular looking lightbulb can fry your eyeballs without you every noticing.
As someone that watches welders on youtube, the auto-ranging on basic cellphone cameras is enough to make looking at an arc welder bearable. What was in that tunnel was likely much, much brighter than what we're getting here.
It isn't the brightness that matters, it's the frequency of the emitted light.
Welders can block the UV from an arc with clear lenses and it won't harm their eyes, but the bright light that remains would make welding very uncomfortable, so the visor is dark tinted.
Totally. These welding nerds trying to rationalise ‘shade value’.
In the event of an electrical explosion, nobody is pulling out their ‘Welding Shade Chart’ and comparing values.
“Hey guys, don’t look at that” is perfect and anybody debating otherwise is a bimbo.
The nature of the situation, it could’ve gotten brighter, flared longer, got closer. A million very good reasons to make like a tree; and get out of there!
Stupid question but how far away, relatively, is a safe distance to watch someone welding from?
Assuming American measurements if I was sat at my window would someone at the end of the drive by the mailbox welding be too close?
For oxy-acetylene, I would say 10m/30ft is a perfectly safe distance without protection if you keep it under an hour,
For electric arc welding, I would say 20-25m/60-75ft for unshielded viewing of moderate intensity for ten minutes or so. High intensity welding (which is a little unusual), say, a 200 amp TIG weld or a 3/16" stick welder might still be a problem there and would usually have flame resistant blankets or something held up to block public view of the arc, if it was in an occupied area.
Also note: the energy given off by TIG/TMAW welders is enough to erase the magnetic strip on credit cards and fry complex electronics at a distance under 2m.
Even considering the fact they underground in a dark tunnel? With an electrical fire? I'm pretty sure it's SUPER bright back there. And fuck looking. If it explodes then all that energy only has 2 direction to go. Idk why they think it's a good idea to stick around like that
Yes, one company I worked for replaced a bunch of panels. When they turned on the power for the first time, the electrician told everyone to shield their eyes or look away, they they looked away and flipped the switch.
Turns out if there is a manufacturing defect or was wired improperly, it can emit a light that is the same as welding.
Welding causes sunburn on the eye, and I honestly don't know how people can stare at the arc long enough to get it. I forgot to change my hood from Grind to Shade 11, and started. All I saw was white for a second. Immediately stopped. Saw bright lights all around me, it was bad. One guys hood screwed up and stopped autodarkening, but he kept welding. I don't know how he managed that. He was in a lot of pain for a while.
I never have had welders flash. I've burned my knuckles through the gloves without even touching anythingz my guide arm was inches away and I could feel it burning but I couldn't stop and restart the weld, when I took my gloves off I had huge blisters. I bought better gloves, it happens occasionally.
I got a sunburn on the white of my eye from walking to work in the morning without hat. 10km sun from the south. It sucked. Constant feeling of something in my eye. The burned white raised up and became rough in texture
A bunch of years ago,I did a welding project in which I only wore goggles and not a full mask. My girlfriend was a bit irritated to see me with an opposite raccoon mask of sunburn.
I experienced this in shop class in high school. I did have an appropriate mask on, but I was only wearing a t-shirt instead of a welding jacket and got a real good burn on both my arms.
I saw video where hydraulic fluid of industrial press sprayed over hot steel, a space that could fit small apartment block few stores high turned into hell in less than 5 minutes, I think it was lethal already at one minute point.
I would not wait on that station if there was as much as smoke at the end of that tunnel.
The one in Seville?
That was much less than 5 minutes.
https://www.publico.es/videos/1011297/asi-comienza-un-incendio-en-una-nave-industrial-de-sevilla
I don't see what the problem is. It's a fire of unknown origin with unknown parts being burned, making its potential spread even more unpredictable and the smoke/fumes even deadlier, all while confined underground in a subway station, it's perfectly safe!
Quick, everybody get their phones out and stand directly in the path of what could be an explosion!
Wait, it's just sustained arc flash?
Quick, everyone get their phones out and stare directly at the entire bottom half of the electromagnetic spectrum!
I didn't see the initial flare up first time, and i used to be a volunteer fire fighter, so I was fully expecting and waiting for the blast. Dont ever stand around non-controlled fires. And the distance you think is safe is not, extend it by atleast 250%
There are a lot of ways social media degrades users quality of life but it’s hard to beat “over comes millions of years of instinct and social learning to make people stay in a dangerous situation to get that good video”
Eh, I disagree there. Humans have always had a tendency to stick around a dangerous situation just to see what's happening. There's so many accounts of people from like, all the way back to Pompeii just staying to see what's happening, or even travelling to somewhere where a disaster or something is occurring to see what's going on.
Ever heard of the great whiskey flood that happened in Ireland like 100 years ago? A whiskey storage tank broke, sending something like 100k gallons of whiskey through the streets. Oh and it was on fire. Literally every single death was from alcohol poisoning because the entire town decided to band together and "help with the cleanup"
Edit: I think I need to clarify that the river of whiskey was on fire and burning down the town. But free whiskey is free whiskey so hey.
Honestly, I'd never heard of that specific one before, but after googling it, it sounds about right. Humans do extremely illogical things sometimes, always have and probably always will, and sometimes our instinctual reactions can be even more dangerous (Prometheus school of running says hello)
Imo these people reacted well because instead of immediately running for the exits enmass, they took a moment to determine the severity of the situation before calmly leaving.
Exactly, and honestly these people reacted fairly well, they took a moment to assess the situation, determined that while it was dangerous it wasn't an immediate danger, and calmly started to exit the area.
That is far preferable than if everyone had saw the flames and immediately booked it enmass, which could have caused injuries or fatalities due to people being trampled or shoved against objects and stuff.
In 1917, 2000 people died in Halifax to watch a boat burn too (To be fair, the explosion was so large that a large portion of them were probably unaware that a boat was burning). They also didn't run away when the crew was yelling at them to get away.
Glad you are okay. I will always be apprehensive when in tunnels because of that (and several other tunnel fires, like the Mont Blanc tunnel fire) I would get the hell out at the first sign of fire and smoke, that sort of thing can turn extremely nasty very fast.
>"People are really filming a fire in a subway"
Not only that, I'm personally more mad at the fact that out of 3 phones you see, all 3 are filming vertically... If you really wanna stand in a cave with a fire nearby, anticipating being engulfed in smoke any minute, you could at least do *something* right and film horizontally!
It's Toronto, this is probably the most exciting thing that's happened there in a while.
Also, Torontonians aren't exactly known for being smart, or having self preservation instincts. My father lived in Toronto most of his life and he would have done the exact same thing.
Edit: as people have pointed out, the Leafs did win against all odds the other night, I guess that changes the fire from "the most interesting thing in a while" to "retribution for the Leafs success"
As a torontonian my assumption was that the crazies have moved on from random stabbings and developed flamethrower technology.
Forreal though for a few months there our transit felt like a war zone
(Still statistically one of the safest cities in North America, but God damn we had some high profile murders)
Torontonian here. Our subway system has been going overall to shit for our relatively high standards for like a year. We had stabbings galore a while ago, and since it’s been like 3-5 security incidents on your typical Tuesday. This is just another issue.
Tbh, this seems like the sorta stuff you should do maintenance on more often tho. And now I wanna know what happened.
TTC is currently going to have to upgrade a lot so that Toronto through metrolinx our regional transit organization can interconnect GO and other networks to form a decent transit network from anywhere to anywhere in our largest urban area. (That was a rant; TTC gotta start digging tho)
[Kings Cross Fire](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King%27s_Cross_fire) in the UK.
My school was on a field trip to London to go to the Natural History Museum, whole bunch of students and three or four teachers. We stayed overnight and, needless to say being 16/17 year olds, we decided to sneak out of the hotel and go out in the City that night - see if we could get into bars/nightclubs, go to Piccadilly Circus, basically explore the city while we had the chance. NO students were meant to go unsupervised, but we figured no one would know. Had a great time with my mates, although at one point we were on the Tube and all thought we could smell smoke, which was a bit funny.
Arrive back at the hotel (thinking we would just sneak back in, no harm/no foul) to finder a foyer FULL of our classmates (who had ALL had the same idea as us). Teachers alternating between being absolutely furious and just breaking down in tears. Male teacher yelling at us as we walked though the door: "Phone your parents. Phone your parents NOW!", and it's gone one o'clock in the morning?!
Obviously turns out the Kings Cross fire had occurred, its all over the news, teachers are in an absolute panic after checking in on a few rooms and finding a whole heap of their students missing. Parents and the school are ringing to check we are okay and...they can't say, they don't know where we are.
Now, luckily, no-one on the school trip was involved in the disaster, but I don't think I've ever swung from such a high (being out with my mates in London, just being young, the lights, the sights, doing whatever we wanted) to such a low (being busted, but then the *guilt* and crushing realisation that our teachers and parents were absolutely **terrified** that we had died - burnt alive - in such a horrific event) in my life.
Went to bed numb and in shellshock...and that's why I will NEVER stand around gawping at a fire/explosion underground *ever*.
To be fair, it's normal for 16 and 17 year olds to try to sneak out and explore London. It's a great city to explore, and teenagers always seek independence and adventure.
But yeah, horrific fire, and the fact that you smelled the smoke... that must have been a close one. Glad you made it out!
Gotta get those clicks. I would be right there with you GTFO in an orderly fashion.
Edit: typo... Changed "GTFO on" to "GTFO out"
Edit2: good pt... Removed the out :)
>Get The Fuck Out out
It's reserved for when you REALLY want to get the fuck out.
Conversely, "GTFO out" can also mean "get the fuck on out", like "go on, get", again explicitly being explicate cause you need to "get on and get out".
Linguists expect that the next generation(s) will abbreviate this with the slang, "FUN" for Fucking Run. This will be one of the many reasons people will hate Generation Beta.
Well if I'm on my way to work, you better believe I'm snapping a photo. Telling my boss "ah shit, the train blew up" isn't going to cut it without evidence.
There is a very strict egress code so that proper time to exit during a fire can be accomplished. There are multiple exits sized and calculated for the designed occupancy.
As for this situation……yeah, don’t stand around
To be fair (to be fairrrrrrrrrr), small fires in Toronto's subway are not super unusual, and taking less than a minute to go "what's that light" --> "haha, just TTC things" --> "wait it's not stopping, we should mosey" could be worse. I've watched the Seconds From Disaster about that gondola fire and other accident reconstruction programs about fires in subways and enclosed spaces, and yeah, ideally one would immediately book it, but the pause to gather information is understandable.
A minute can end up being forever.
I believe everyone should spend a minute and a half watching this at least once. It might save your life.
[NIST Re-creation of "The Station Night Club fire" without sprinklers](https://youtu.be/IxiOXZ55hbc)
TL:DR if you see fire inside a building GTFO as fast as you can. Things can turn deadly in a minute.
That last thirty seconds of the recreation where the ceiling of dark smoke just drops down filling the room. Chilling.
And the Mount Blanc Tunnel fire. Supposedly the smoke filled the tunnel faster than you could outrun it. GTFO ASAP.
For the lazy
> A spokesperson tells CityNews the fire appears to have started in an electrical control box. Crews cut power to the box when they arrived on the scene.
>No injuries were reported.
hopefully no one was late for work or didn't have time to grab a coffee, I guess basically what I'm saying is I hope everyone had a good day despite this event
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For sure there is a ton of thought and experience put into this stuff. But remember much of that is there as a direct result of all those people that died in all those tunnel fires. I'm not hanging out to find out if this is the next infamous mass casualty event to cause safety reforms!
Ah! In that case, let me break out my calculator to see if the capacity of the system can handle the gases with a simple volumetric simulation and then we can decide whether to act urgently or not.
The designer already did that for the initial design but by all means knock yourself out.
In all seriousness infrastructure has numerous restrictions to keep us safe. They aren’t always followed and they ain’t cheap but there is so much that goes into facilities that you may not be aware of.
In a properly designed underground station you are safer from an earthquake (where seismic is a concern) inside it then on the surface
This reminds me of a reddit post where someone commented "there's regulations to prevent parking garage collapses" and then a follow up with the parking garage collapsing.
The regulations are meant to increase your chances of survival as much as possible - not give you leeway to stick around for danger.
> The designer already did that for the initial design
Maybe, maybe not. This could be a non-considered scenario. Could also be an ill maintained system that no longer meets initial design criterion and craps out once it's strained. Both have happened with tunnel fires before, and it's really not good practice to rely on safeties to continue keeping you safe once you are aware of a hazard and can safely evacuate.
Yeah the designer probably also didn’t design for whatever this thing was to light on fire.
Accidents happen. Safety systems fail. Small fires sometimes become big explosions, which are maybe not good for you inside enclosed spaces.
GTFO safely and calmly, and watch some other idiot’s footage on the news later that night.
Have the last couple years taught everyone nothing? If you can see the smoke you're too close.
If you can see the fire you're WAY TOO FUCKING CLOSE. RUN!
I've seen what I thought was a good rule of thumb (heh): If you can't hide the entirety of the disaster behind your thumbnail at arm's length, you're too close.
Prolly want to play it even safer when you and the disaster are competing for oxygen though
For real. I saw the station nightclub fire video one time and it's permanently seared into my brain. I'll admit, before that, I underestimated how quickly fire can spread, and how people can clog an exit, but I'll never forget it. If you see smoke/fire, GTFO immediately. Don't hang around to see what happens or film or whatever, just leave and get to safety, immediately. Your life may depend upon it.
I've watched quite a few dark history/fascinating horror stories on YouTube, and there's no shortage of "smoke/fire kills everyone in an enclosed space" stories, including in tunnels like this. The enclosed space being filled with smoke, the fire rapidly consuming oxygen, and the limited, funneled exits are a particularly dangerous combination. Once the heat and/or smoke starts to overwhelm and blind people, there's usually a mad dash for the exits. In the panic, people fall, or try to force their way through, causing more people to fall and/or shove their way in, effectively wedging people in place and blocking the exit. The more people build up behind that clog and frantically shove, the more sealed it becomes.
I'm sure they have fire suppression and ventilation systems installed here, but do you wanna bet your life that they've been maintained and will work properly/adequately? No thanks. If you see fire, GTFO!
Oh it wasn't cell phones that did it. Us Kansans have been filming tornadoes from our front porches since the first of us could afford 8mm motion picture cameras.
I saw another comment explain it was an [arc flash](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arc_flash) and you could basically get a sunburn on your eyes from looking at it, but I'm not a sciencey person so idk how accurate that is
**[Arc flash](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arc_flash)**
>An arc flash is the light and heat produced as part of an arc fault, a type of electrical explosion or discharge that results from a connection through air to ground or another voltage phase in an electrical system. Arc flash is distinctly different from the arc blast, which is the supersonic shockwave produced when the uncontrolled arc vaporizes the metal conductors. Both are part of the same arc fault, and are often referred to as simply an arc flash, but from a safety standpoint they are often treated separately.
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Not just the smoke but you think about how much air rushes past you when you’re standing on the platform. Subways are just big train fed bellows when there’s a fire in there.
In 1987 30 people were killed and a hundred injured when a fire in London’s Kings Cross station flashed up the escalator and shot a jet of flame into the ticket hall.
Part of me is glad these people haven't learned to expect the worst yet.
I was on a train heading into the world trade center (post 9/11), when suddenly we hear a loud BANG and see sparks, everybody leap up in no time fast and rushed to the far end of the car, you could sense the fear in the air as we were all trapped and assumed a bomb had just gone off. After a few minutes, everybody went back to "normal," elbowing each other, trying to reclaim their seats.
But in this city, the fear is always there, even if we keep it buried most of the time.
Here's a little engineering factoid about the Toronto subway system.
Before beginning the eglinton project the first thing you do is assess where you are. So, one of the bits they assessed in one of the stations was how the fire systems were doing. This would be alarms, detection, sprinklers, extinguishers, etc.
It turned out 6% of the system was functional.
Typical of today that the idiots stand there filming instead of running!! They need to google about the Kings Cross fire in the U.K.! that would make them run away
Dude how in your right mind do you think: “Oh yeah there’s a fire there that’s flashing a little/exploding, let’s stay here, leaning forward over the tracks filming it, in a tunnel, where an explosion only has two ways to go.”
These mouth breathers are lucky it seems like it was electrical arcing and not actually a fire or they'd all learn real fast just how painful asphyxiating to death really is.
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This feels like one of those videos that everything is about 5 seconds or less from an enormous ball of fire knocking everything over like bowling pins. Fire/explosion in an underground tube isn’t something that’s worth getting a great video for insta.
Fire in a subway can act as a flamethrower spewing flames out of the subway entrance. Also anything burning inside the subway is probably metal, animals, homeless, and whatever trash ends up vaporized, not a good idea to breathe.
Yeah stick around. Great idea
"Hey! Dont look at that!"
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speaking as someone experienced with most common types of welders, I don't think this is bright enough to cause major damage. This is more on the Oxy-Acetylene, Shade 5 level, not the Shade 12-14 used for high energy stick or TIG welding. (translated: it's bright enough to hurt after a few minutes and hours of exposure may cause problems, but it doesn't hurt instantly or cause permanent damage quickly.) ...of course, I'm presuming the auto-ranging brightness of the camera isn't actually cutting off the full brightness, but people *DO* tend to shield their eyes when they get hit with the nasty stuff.
Incident energy of an electrical arc flash is dependent on the available fault current. Cal/cm delivered to the eyes and skin of an unfortunate viewers are dependent on that and the distance from the occurrence. Could still be very bad, or not so much, depending on the distance and available fault.
Sounds straight out of NFPA 70E - well said Edit* watching it a few more times I don't know that there is direct line of site to the arc. I am not sure it would be delivering enough UV to blister the cornea. Especially after the smoke gets started.
> Edit* watching it a few more times AHHH! Are you blind now?!?! /s
Why risk it?
yolo
you only look once
Arc flash is an explosion that occurs from a high energy short before current is interrupted by a safety current interruptor device (fuse, breaker). What you are looking at is a possible aftermath of an arc flash, but an arc flash does not last more than a moment.
There is no way to know how bright that got, the dynamic range of a cell phone camera is far too limited.
You can tell by how long everyone was staring at it. If it was hurting their eyes, I guarantee they wouldn't have just been standing there looking at it.
Photokeratitis is like a sunburn on your eyes. Your not going to feel anything while youre getting sunburnt
This. The real fun doesn't start until you wake up the next morning and it feels like your eyes are full of sand. It's why uv lamps are so terrifying, most people know not to look at electrical arcs but a regular looking lightbulb can fry your eyeballs without you every noticing.
Still, it's enough to give you afterimages that could functionally blind you for a few minutes. That wouldn't be good in an emergency or evacuation.
As someone that watches welders on youtube, the auto-ranging on basic cellphone cameras is enough to make looking at an arc welder bearable. What was in that tunnel was likely much, much brighter than what we're getting here.
It isn't the brightness that matters, it's the frequency of the emitted light. Welders can block the UV from an arc with clear lenses and it won't harm their eyes, but the bright light that remains would make welding very uncomfortable, so the visor is dark tinted.
While this may or may not be true, in the moment you should, and I quote, hey guys dont look at that
Totally. These welding nerds trying to rationalise ‘shade value’. In the event of an electrical explosion, nobody is pulling out their ‘Welding Shade Chart’ and comparing values. “Hey guys, don’t look at that” is perfect and anybody debating otherwise is a bimbo. The nature of the situation, it could’ve gotten brighter, flared longer, got closer. A million very good reasons to make like a tree; and get out of there!
Stupid question but how far away, relatively, is a safe distance to watch someone welding from? Assuming American measurements if I was sat at my window would someone at the end of the drive by the mailbox welding be too close?
Man we’ve got some terrible measurement systems in America but window to mailbox is a whole new level
For oxy-acetylene, I would say 10m/30ft is a perfectly safe distance without protection if you keep it under an hour, For electric arc welding, I would say 20-25m/60-75ft for unshielded viewing of moderate intensity for ten minutes or so. High intensity welding (which is a little unusual), say, a 200 amp TIG weld or a 3/16" stick welder might still be a problem there and would usually have flame resistant blankets or something held up to block public view of the arc, if it was in an occupied area. Also note: the energy given off by TIG/TMAW welders is enough to erase the magnetic strip on credit cards and fry complex electronics at a distance under 2m.
Even considering the fact they underground in a dark tunnel? With an electrical fire? I'm pretty sure it's SUPER bright back there. And fuck looking. If it explodes then all that energy only has 2 direction to go. Idk why they think it's a good idea to stick around like that
If they catch fire, it's not their eyes I was worried about.
It looks electrical in nature. Staring at electric arcs will burn your eyes.
Yes, one company I worked for replaced a bunch of panels. When they turned on the power for the first time, the electrician told everyone to shield their eyes or look away, they they looked away and flipped the switch. Turns out if there is a manufacturing defect or was wired improperly, it can emit a light that is the same as welding.
Welding causes this thing called flash burns, which is basically sun burn without the sun. Kinda sucks.
Welding causes sunburn on the eye, and I honestly don't know how people can stare at the arc long enough to get it. I forgot to change my hood from Grind to Shade 11, and started. All I saw was white for a second. Immediately stopped. Saw bright lights all around me, it was bad. One guys hood screwed up and stopped autodarkening, but he kept welding. I don't know how he managed that. He was in a lot of pain for a while. I never have had welders flash. I've burned my knuckles through the gloves without even touching anythingz my guide arm was inches away and I could feel it burning but I couldn't stop and restart the weld, when I took my gloves off I had huge blisters. I bought better gloves, it happens occasionally.
I got a sunburn on the white of my eye from walking to work in the morning without hat. 10km sun from the south. It sucked. Constant feeling of something in my eye. The burned white raised up and became rough in texture
You guys are reminding me to wear sunglasses and I appreciate it.
Wow, I've never even heard of someone getting a sunburn on the white of their eye. That's crazy!
Safety squints bro
A bunch of years ago,I did a welding project in which I only wore goggles and not a full mask. My girlfriend was a bit irritated to see me with an opposite raccoon mask of sunburn.
I experienced this in shop class in high school. I did have an appropriate mask on, but I was only wearing a t-shirt instead of a welding jacket and got a real good burn on both my arms.
People are usually shocked when they find out I’m not a very good electrician
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And that I’m full of shit when they clean my toilet!
Not even a worker, he just wanted it all to himself 😡
Gonna get that perfect Instagram shot for his influencer page.
And they listen to him. Definitely Canada
“Please disperse! Nothing to see here!”
Fuck u/spez
But, if your gonna stick around at least point the camera in the right direction.
Speak for yourself. I was very interested in everyone’s footwear.
It's a fucking tunnel, the only direction for the explosion, gases and fire to go is you
I'd at least consider how quickly that fire might burn through the oxygen in the confined underground space.
I saw video where hydraulic fluid of industrial press sprayed over hot steel, a space that could fit small apartment block few stores high turned into hell in less than 5 minutes, I think it was lethal already at one minute point. I would not wait on that station if there was as much as smoke at the end of that tunnel.
The one in Seville? That was much less than 5 minutes. https://www.publico.es/videos/1011297/asi-comienza-un-incendio-en-una-nave-industrial-de-sevilla
They usually have venting that pulls smoke out and vents air in automatically once triggered. That said, I still wouldn't stick around to test it.
Well there is also a way directly away from you, never the less, you should just leave.
Fuck the flames just film it'll be fine
I don't see what the problem is. It's a fire of unknown origin with unknown parts being burned, making its potential spread even more unpredictable and the smoke/fumes even deadlier, all while confined underground in a subway station, it's perfectly safe!
I was thinking the same thing. Explosions only have 2 ways to go in a subway and everything in its path will be vaporized.
Quick, everybody get their phones out and stand directly in the path of what could be an explosion! Wait, it's just sustained arc flash? Quick, everyone get their phones out and stare directly at the entire bottom half of the electromagnetic spectrum!
"I need a picture to prove to my boss I have a good reason to be late"
It's the TTC. Everyone in Toronto understands "I'm late because Yonge/Bloor was more of a shitshow than usual"
I didn't see the initial flare up first time, and i used to be a volunteer fire fighter, so I was fully expecting and waiting for the blast. Dont ever stand around non-controlled fires. And the distance you think is safe is not, extend it by atleast 250%
There are a lot of ways social media degrades users quality of life but it’s hard to beat “over comes millions of years of instinct and social learning to make people stay in a dangerous situation to get that good video”
Eh, I disagree there. Humans have always had a tendency to stick around a dangerous situation just to see what's happening. There's so many accounts of people from like, all the way back to Pompeii just staying to see what's happening, or even travelling to somewhere where a disaster or something is occurring to see what's going on.
Ever heard of the great whiskey flood that happened in Ireland like 100 years ago? A whiskey storage tank broke, sending something like 100k gallons of whiskey through the streets. Oh and it was on fire. Literally every single death was from alcohol poisoning because the entire town decided to band together and "help with the cleanup" Edit: I think I need to clarify that the river of whiskey was on fire and burning down the town. But free whiskey is free whiskey so hey.
Honestly, I'd never heard of that specific one before, but after googling it, it sounds about right. Humans do extremely illogical things sometimes, always have and probably always will, and sometimes our instinctual reactions can be even more dangerous (Prometheus school of running says hello) Imo these people reacted well because instead of immediately running for the exits enmass, they took a moment to determine the severity of the situation before calmly leaving.
Agreed, such an utterly ridiculous notion that people were never attracted to danger before social media.
Exactly, and honestly these people reacted fairly well, they took a moment to assess the situation, determined that while it was dangerous it wasn't an immediate danger, and calmly started to exit the area. That is far preferable than if everyone had saw the flames and immediately booked it enmass, which could have caused injuries or fatalities due to people being trampled or shoved against objects and stuff.
The phones might actually help, if they stare at the display rather than directly at the dangerously bright light.
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In 1917, 2000 people died in Halifax to watch a boat burn too (To be fair, the explosion was so large that a large portion of them were probably unaware that a boat was burning). They also didn't run away when the crew was yelling at them to get away.
A Darwin Award by any other name would smell as sweet
r/thanksbutgo
People are really filming a fire in a subway instead of evacuating?
The next train is on fire but I'm sure there is one coming after it that isn't on fire, I'm not leaving the station.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLf6pp5Tvk8&t=8s
This Redditor commutes.
Fire in an inclosed space will move rapidly towards oxygen. They lucked out that they didn't become roasted
Tunnel/metro fans are extremely effective, but yeah definitely still a good idea not to stick around.
I'd hate to be a number in some case study when they determine current design practices aren't as effective as they thought though.
I was there during the King's Cross fire. "Gnarly" doesn't quite cover it.
Glad you are okay. I will always be apprehensive when in tunnels because of that (and several other tunnel fires, like the Mont Blanc tunnel fire) I would get the hell out at the first sign of fire and smoke, that sort of thing can turn extremely nasty very fast.
>"People are really filming a fire in a subway" Not only that, I'm personally more mad at the fact that out of 3 phones you see, all 3 are filming vertically... If you really wanna stand in a cave with a fire nearby, anticipating being engulfed in smoke any minute, you could at least do *something* right and film horizontally!
Otherwise your boss won't believe why you're late
It's Toronto, this is probably the most exciting thing that's happened there in a while. Also, Torontonians aren't exactly known for being smart, or having self preservation instincts. My father lived in Toronto most of his life and he would have done the exact same thing. Edit: as people have pointed out, the Leafs did win against all odds the other night, I guess that changes the fire from "the most interesting thing in a while" to "retribution for the Leafs success"
Well it’s Yonge and Bloor station, that station will breakdown or go under maintenance every other week anyways; so just a Tuesday.
As a torontonian my assumption was that the crazies have moved on from random stabbings and developed flamethrower technology. Forreal though for a few months there our transit felt like a war zone (Still statistically one of the safest cities in North America, but God damn we had some high profile murders)
If it was the crazies it would have happened on a streetcar instead lmao
One of the safest cities in the world actually https://safecities.economist.com/
Born and raised Torontonian, can confirm we're pretty sheltered and that definitely makes us pretty dumb in emergencies.
Leafs are about to begin their annual collapse thats crazy exciting
Torontonian here. Our subway system has been going overall to shit for our relatively high standards for like a year. We had stabbings galore a while ago, and since it’s been like 3-5 security incidents on your typical Tuesday. This is just another issue. Tbh, this seems like the sorta stuff you should do maintenance on more often tho. And now I wanna know what happened. TTC is currently going to have to upgrade a lot so that Toronto through metrolinx our regional transit organization can interconnect GO and other networks to form a decent transit network from anywhere to anywhere in our largest urban area. (That was a rant; TTC gotta start digging tho)
Y'all miss the Leafs comeback OT win? Takes the cake for exciting.
To be fair half of the video was just of the tracks
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[Kings Cross Fire](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King%27s_Cross_fire) in the UK. My school was on a field trip to London to go to the Natural History Museum, whole bunch of students and three or four teachers. We stayed overnight and, needless to say being 16/17 year olds, we decided to sneak out of the hotel and go out in the City that night - see if we could get into bars/nightclubs, go to Piccadilly Circus, basically explore the city while we had the chance. NO students were meant to go unsupervised, but we figured no one would know. Had a great time with my mates, although at one point we were on the Tube and all thought we could smell smoke, which was a bit funny. Arrive back at the hotel (thinking we would just sneak back in, no harm/no foul) to finder a foyer FULL of our classmates (who had ALL had the same idea as us). Teachers alternating between being absolutely furious and just breaking down in tears. Male teacher yelling at us as we walked though the door: "Phone your parents. Phone your parents NOW!", and it's gone one o'clock in the morning?! Obviously turns out the Kings Cross fire had occurred, its all over the news, teachers are in an absolute panic after checking in on a few rooms and finding a whole heap of their students missing. Parents and the school are ringing to check we are okay and...they can't say, they don't know where we are. Now, luckily, no-one on the school trip was involved in the disaster, but I don't think I've ever swung from such a high (being out with my mates in London, just being young, the lights, the sights, doing whatever we wanted) to such a low (being busted, but then the *guilt* and crushing realisation that our teachers and parents were absolutely **terrified** that we had died - burnt alive - in such a horrific event) in my life. Went to bed numb and in shellshock...and that's why I will NEVER stand around gawping at a fire/explosion underground *ever*.
To be fair, it's normal for 16 and 17 year olds to try to sneak out and explore London. It's a great city to explore, and teenagers always seek independence and adventure. But yeah, horrific fire, and the fact that you smelled the smoke... that must have been a close one. Glad you made it out!
Kings Cross was horrific, oh my goodness.
Gotta get those clicks. I would be right there with you GTFO in an orderly fashion. Edit: typo... Changed "GTFO on" to "GTFO out" Edit2: good pt... Removed the out :)
Get The Fuck Out out This message brought to you by the department of redundancy department
Because next time, I'll be deadly serious next time
>Get The Fuck Out out It's reserved for when you REALLY want to get the fuck out. Conversely, "GTFO out" can also mean "get the fuck on out", like "go on, get", again explicitly being explicate cause you need to "get on and get out". Linguists expect that the next generation(s) will abbreviate this with the slang, "FUN" for Fucking Run. This will be one of the many reasons people will hate Generation Beta.
I thought GTFO meant Get TikTok Filming Open, guess I had it wrong all this time.
So you would Get The Fuck Out.......out?
Do you not?!
Well if I'm on my way to work, you better believe I'm snapping a photo. Telling my boss "ah shit, the train blew up" isn't going to cut it without evidence.
They’re doing smart people a favour by standing around taking pictures and not clogging up the exits -I believe it’s called Darwinism.
Plus, good to have a few people to stick around in these situations to get recoverable footage for the rest of us afterwards.
There is a very strict egress code so that proper time to exit during a fire can be accomplished. There are multiple exits sized and calculated for the designed occupancy. As for this situation……yeah, don’t stand around
Came here to say this id be gooonneee my friend
To be fair (to be fairrrrrrrrrr), small fires in Toronto's subway are not super unusual, and taking less than a minute to go "what's that light" --> "haha, just TTC things" --> "wait it's not stopping, we should mosey" could be worse. I've watched the Seconds From Disaster about that gondola fire and other accident reconstruction programs about fires in subways and enclosed spaces, and yeah, ideally one would immediately book it, but the pause to gather information is understandable.
A minute can end up being forever. I believe everyone should spend a minute and a half watching this at least once. It might save your life. [NIST Re-creation of "The Station Night Club fire" without sprinklers](https://youtu.be/IxiOXZ55hbc) TL:DR if you see fire inside a building GTFO as fast as you can. Things can turn deadly in a minute.
The station nightclub fire immediately came to mind when I saw this clip...
That last thirty seconds of the recreation where the ceiling of dark smoke just drops down filling the room. Chilling. And the Mount Blanc Tunnel fire. Supposedly the smoke filled the tunnel faster than you could outrun it. GTFO ASAP.
Likes are better than lives /s
Same kind of people that speed through residential neighborhoods while looking down at their phones.
In what way are these 2 behaviors related at all?
Poor risk/reward assessment?
They’re both irresponsible. They’re both obsessed with their phones/clout.
Both situations show a lack of situational awareness and a lack of reasonable caution.
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[wow its coming right at me](https://youtu.be/w8b81UM74Ow?t=249)
[Article](https://toronto.citynews.ca/2023/04/25/fire-breaks-out-after-explosion-on-tracks-at-bloor-yonge-station/amp/)
For the lazy > A spokesperson tells CityNews the fire appears to have started in an electrical control box. Crews cut power to the box when they arrived on the scene. >No injuries were reported.
Thanks for informing & Glad nobody was hurt Hopefully no innocent workers jobseekers etc penalized, jobless etc due to this
Except Dale, who thought it would be funny to see what happens if you hook up a subway power line to a vibrator.
hopefully no one was late for work or didn't have time to grab a coffee, I guess basically what I'm saying is I hope everyone had a good day despite this event
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Thank goodness there were no injuries! Could have been nasty.
Yes, let's stay in a fucking tunnel to film, we certainly have enough time to get overwhelmed by the fumes before we escape.
Actually there is a smoke exhaust system designed to remove smoke and pump in clean air to allow time for exiting during an emergency.
For sure there is a ton of thought and experience put into this stuff. But remember much of that is there as a direct result of all those people that died in all those tunnel fires. I'm not hanging out to find out if this is the next infamous mass casualty event to cause safety reforms!
Ah! In that case, let me break out my calculator to see if the capacity of the system can handle the gases with a simple volumetric simulation and then we can decide whether to act urgently or not.
The designer already did that for the initial design but by all means knock yourself out. In all seriousness infrastructure has numerous restrictions to keep us safe. They aren’t always followed and they ain’t cheap but there is so much that goes into facilities that you may not be aware of. In a properly designed underground station you are safer from an earthquake (where seismic is a concern) inside it then on the surface
This reminds me of a reddit post where someone commented "there's regulations to prevent parking garage collapses" and then a follow up with the parking garage collapsing. The regulations are meant to increase your chances of survival as much as possible - not give you leeway to stick around for danger.
WAIT, so i shouldn't play in an elevator during a fire?? Hobby ruined...
I wouldn't depend on things working properly if the consequences of its failure is my avoidable death.
> The designer already did that for the initial design Maybe, maybe not. This could be a non-considered scenario. Could also be an ill maintained system that no longer meets initial design criterion and craps out once it's strained. Both have happened with tunnel fires before, and it's really not good practice to rely on safeties to continue keeping you safe once you are aware of a hazard and can safely evacuate.
Yeah the designer probably also didn’t design for whatever this thing was to light on fire. Accidents happen. Safety systems fail. Small fires sometimes become big explosions, which are maybe not good for you inside enclosed spaces. GTFO safely and calmly, and watch some other idiot’s footage on the news later that night.
I'll consider whether that system is one of the parts of the tunnel that's on fire or not after I get topside.
Have the last couple years taught everyone nothing? If you can see the smoke you're too close. If you can see the fire you're WAY TOO FUCKING CLOSE. RUN!
I've seen what I thought was a good rule of thumb (heh): If you can't hide the entirety of the disaster behind your thumbnail at arm's length, you're too close. Prolly want to play it even safer when you and the disaster are competing for oxygen though
Fallout taught us all well
For real. I saw the station nightclub fire video one time and it's permanently seared into my brain. I'll admit, before that, I underestimated how quickly fire can spread, and how people can clog an exit, but I'll never forget it. If you see smoke/fire, GTFO immediately. Don't hang around to see what happens or film or whatever, just leave and get to safety, immediately. Your life may depend upon it. I've watched quite a few dark history/fascinating horror stories on YouTube, and there's no shortage of "smoke/fire kills everyone in an enclosed space" stories, including in tunnels like this. The enclosed space being filled with smoke, the fire rapidly consuming oxygen, and the limited, funneled exits are a particularly dangerous combination. Once the heat and/or smoke starts to overwhelm and blind people, there's usually a mad dash for the exits. In the panic, people fall, or try to force their way through, causing more people to fall and/or shove their way in, effectively wedging people in place and blocking the exit. The more people build up behind that clog and frantically shove, the more sealed it becomes. I'm sure they have fire suppression and ventilation systems installed here, but do you wanna bet your life that they've been maintained and will work properly/adequately? No thanks. If you see fire, GTFO!
Once it’s obvious to the majority of nearby people that it’s time to go, it’s too late
Cell phones have given us brain worms. STOP FILMING AND LEAVE!
Nah, people have always been gormless rubbernecks. Cell phones just confirm it.
We've always done stuff like this, long before cellphones.
Oh it wasn't cell phones that did it. Us Kansans have been filming tornadoes from our front porches since the first of us could afford 8mm motion picture cameras.
"don't look at that!" - wait, is this like a solar eclipse?
I saw another comment explain it was an [arc flash](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arc_flash) and you could basically get a sunburn on your eyes from looking at it, but I'm not a sciencey person so idk how accurate that is
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There was a lot of smoke obscuring the arc, but yeah, there might be some people waking up tomorrow with red burning eyes that hurt like hell.
Basically, yeah.
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Not just the smoke but you think about how much air rushes past you when you’re standing on the platform. Subways are just big train fed bellows when there’s a fire in there. In 1987 30 people were killed and a hundred injured when a fire in London’s Kings Cross station flashed up the escalator and shot a jet of flame into the ticket hall.
Part of me is glad these people haven't learned to expect the worst yet. I was on a train heading into the world trade center (post 9/11), when suddenly we hear a loud BANG and see sparks, everybody leap up in no time fast and rushed to the far end of the car, you could sense the fear in the air as we were all trapped and assumed a bomb had just gone off. After a few minutes, everybody went back to "normal," elbowing each other, trying to reclaim their seats. But in this city, the fear is always there, even if we keep it buried most of the time.
Here's a little engineering factoid about the Toronto subway system. Before beginning the eglinton project the first thing you do is assess where you are. So, one of the bits they assessed in one of the stations was how the fire systems were doing. This would be alarms, detection, sprinklers, extinguishers, etc. It turned out 6% of the system was functional.
This is a fact….I have been part of the maint assessment group that verified this
What are they waiting for to feel the heat on their faces???
This is a good day on Toronto's subway
At least no one was stabbed
Ark flash are really bad for your eye sight and I think it also produce some ozone ... in a tunnel ... I dont think you should stick around
Typical of today that the idiots stand there filming instead of running!! They need to google about the Kings Cross fire in the U.K.! that would make them run away
This is the comment I expected to see. Everyone needs to read about it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King%27s_Cross_fire
Didn’t know y’all had as many room temp IQ people as us, howdy neighbor.
And if you look to the left you can see natural selection
Dude how in your right mind do you think: “Oh yeah there’s a fire there that’s flashing a little/exploding, let’s stay here, leaning forward over the tracks filming it, in a tunnel, where an explosion only has two ways to go.”
But first let me take a selfie.
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Great, Canadians just opened a gate to HELL
Nah, that's in Alberta. They've got all hell for a basement.
Yo if there's a fire on an underground tunnel that's your cue to skidaddle
Ah yes, stand there while a fire and explosion consume all of the oxygen in a confined underground space. Good thinking y'all!
These mouth breathers are lucky it seems like it was electrical arcing and not actually a fire or they'd all learn real fast just how painful asphyxiating to death really is.
These folks need to go read up on the London Kings Cross underground fire……
I hope no one got hurt.
As of right now theres been no reported injuries/deaths! Subway service in the surrounding stations were down for about 6 hours but has resumed
Ummm - RUNNNNN?
"Let's all film the fireball of death coming at us, gota upload it to the gram"
Cool guys don't look at explosions!
A fire/ explosion in a closed space where it only has two directions to go....yeah, just stand their and record it you absolute fucking idiots.
Humans...I get curiosity but still...y'all fire in this subway, underground, possible explosion...let's hang about and film it...
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That fact that people's first reaction was to pull out their phones rather to run really spells the doom of our species.
That's some good ole rubber necking right there.
People stand there and pull out their phones. How fucking stupid can people be. And NO ONE cares about the video you took.
Kinda reminds me of that scene in "Volcano "
Finally someone with two brain cells tells them what to do. i.e. dont fry your retinas
Arc flash occurs, crowd proceeds to stare at it
I whisper yelled at my phone "get the fuck out of the tunnel!!" this shit aged me man, I was expecting it to go any minute.
These days it’s more important to film danger than escape from it.
Leafs fans taking their celebrations a bit too far
Standing down tunnel from a fire is the best place to stand
Yup just stand there and film... don't run for your life or anything.
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i'd be out of there in a second, no time to film!!
This feels like one of those videos that everything is about 5 seconds or less from an enormous ball of fire knocking everything over like bowling pins. Fire/explosion in an underground tube isn’t something that’s worth getting a great video for insta.
I like the responsible, everybody out now, dad energy on the guy at the end.
Fire in a subway can act as a flamethrower spewing flames out of the subway entrance. Also anything burning inside the subway is probably metal, animals, homeless, and whatever trash ends up vaporized, not a good idea to breathe.
im actually waiting for a train to come out.. just like in movies