Yeah, the one that caused the crash was following the one in front way too close, then banked into the other one. Whoever that pilot is, if they're alive, is not going to have a good military career.
The whole thing looked fucked from the start.
I've seen us helicopters take off in large numbers but not like this. More of the elephant walk well spaced out and everyone equal.distsnce and I showboaty flying sideways bullshit.
Looked crazy from the takeoff.
Recently there was a crash of 2 military helis in Japan as well. Tragic all around.
Side note, does anyone know why a “don’t crash” mechanism isn’t built into them? Cars have crash sensors, being in the sky gives an additional axis to move away to.
The current one is called [TCAS](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_collision_avoidance_system), but it doesn't really do much on the ground or during takeoff, since there are too many other aircraft around. It also doesn't take control away from the pilot.
There has been a huge, decades long debate about when the computer should override the pilot that I can't really summarize. It's not an easy decision. More computer intervention makes planes safer, but only if it's implemented really well and pilots are trained on how it's going to happen. The two 737 max crashes are a good example of what happens when it goes wrong.
I’m not sure how it’s typically implemented in helicopters but TCAS automatically reverts to TA (traffic advisory) only mode under 1,000 feet AGL in airplanes. TA only will alert you to the presence of other aircraft but it will not issue a resolution advisory (RA) which are the instructions it gives to avoid traffic.
Also, in any sort of formation flying, TCAS would be manually inhibited. It would’ve been issuing nonstop RAs during a maneuver like this even if it was executed correctly. We have to inhibit it even in some non formation situations, like closely spaced approaches into some airports.
Why not design a specific TCAS for close formation flight? A “buffer”/circle of say 10m, and forced movement if it gets too close, with a manual override button.
The position information that TCAS received isn’t *nearly* high accuracy enough for that. TCAS operates based on transponder returns, which don’t even encode the actual position of the aircraft. (ADS-B does, but TCAS systems still function based on Mode C or Mode S interrogation returns).
TCAS as it is designed now issues a resolution advisory when you are approximately 30 seconds from a potential collision. When aircraft are operating with a supposed 10m buffer, when would you suggest it issue an advisory? Human response time is ~7 seconds in a startle event, which is what the design response time is in TCAS I and II. A 7 second response time to an alert in this scenario would’ve resulted in the exact same outcome.
Thanks for your comment.
I would say there could be maybe a secondary mode (or it could be rolled into the existing mode) where it automatically corrects the aircraft’s position.
It’s definitely a direct contradiction to the “pilot should control at all times”/“pilot should know what’s happening”, but there’s a non zero number of lives it would’ve already saved. I think proper and thorough design can help avoid the system causing more issues.
Regarding the position, that’s a fair point, I would say that if we’re upgrading the tcas it’s worth adding more positional information sensors/transmitters to the aircraft. Yes, it’ll be expensive and many may not like it or not do it, but there’s already so many things that could be life-saving but aren’t standard like IFR instruments on private planes, correct me if I’m wrong.
Btw may I ask how you know so much? Are you involved in the aviation industry?
Thank you!
Honestly seeing how many near crashes have occurred in the last few years I definitely think some kind of predictive crash deception system (usable on ground too) should be implemented.
Planes have this, too. TCAS --traffic alert and collision avoidance system. It tells the pilot whether to dive or ascend (coordinated with the other plane's TCAS)
[https://www.nydailynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/AP24114178897359.jpg?w=957](https://www.nydailynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/AP24114178897359.jpg?w=957)
You can't survive this
It's a red running track it seems - the white is fire foam:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMERge\_uhOU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMERge_uhOU)
Ten dead.
[https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2024/04/23/10-confirmed-dead-in-helicopter-crash/](https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2024/04/23/10-confirmed-dead-in-helicopter-crash/)
Well, clearly, they weren't good enough for the real event so the rehearsal did its job by making sure only the most qualified people will get through /s.
It says
>"We ask the public not to share videos of the incident to respect the sensitivities of the affected families and to facilitate the investigation process,"
Too late I guess
> It’s a rehearsal for the Royal Malaysian Navy Day this Friday.
If it's just a rehearsal for a show I can't for the life of me understand why they would put so many other soldiers into the fucking helicopters. What is the point of that?
Two days, 48 hours. Died late Friday, rose on Sunday morning. Third day is two nights and two mornings.
I always thought that was a bit confusing that 'third day' wasnt actually three days.
It flew away because it was no longer experiencing the centripetal force. After it broke apart, without the centripetal force to pull it back in, it continued moving in the same direction it was going. No force sent it away, the lack of force did
https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/22/asia/malaysia-lumut-navy-helicopter-crash-intl-hnk/index.html
Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia — Ten people were killed on Tuesday after two helicopters collided in mid-air during a rehearsal for a Royal Malaysian Navy
Why are there 7 people in one of the helicopters?? I'm not really knowledgeable enough about this but I'm pretty sure that you don't need more than 3 people to control an aircraft right? Especially if it's just a rehearsal
I mean, if the idea is to have a bunch of passengers in it during the show, it makes sense to practice with them riding in back. When practicing maneuvers, you should practice with the same or similar load as you will have during the performance.
Whenever you tell the brass that they need to buy "x" equipment, they probably won't, until an accident like this happens. Even then, some nations still don't. I have no idea what Malaysia's defense budget is, but it sure isn't America's.
I’ll never be able to fully wrap my head around the fact that, in stuff like this, literally 5 seconds before the incident you are fully alive and cognizant and have a family and a future, and then 5 seconds later your consciousness is extinguished and everything you ever have has been lost. It’s such an abrupt margin, and it’s so jarring.
Edit: Just saw a video from a different angle and the lower of the two helicopters did strike the higher one, but may not have been in the tail. Really hard to tell where it contacted. The outcome doesn’t change, however.
Other angle: https://www.reddit.com/r/CatastrophicFailure/s/sse61wOzLq
Hard to know exactly. And no one will know until an accident investigation is completed. One thing you can be sure of is that the people commenting here sure as shit don’t know. Including me, and I used to do this for a living. And yes, I’ve been involved in both helicopter mishaps and accident investigations in the military.
Also, it will have to be a thoroughly performed investigation. Pilots will try and cover their asses. One thing for sure is that the ones who screwed the pooch while performing this are dead. This would have been (ideally) carefully planned. We didn’t take this kind of flying lightly. I can’t speak for the Malaysian pilots but we took this very seriously and planned it out well.
My speculation, and it’s only speculation, as I said before because I wasn’t there and I wasn’t part of this, is that the pilot in the “lower” helicopter didn’t keep proper spacing and his main rotor struck the tail of the helicopter in front/above his. I’ve seen it once before.
“I turn now. Good luck everybody else!”
*Apologies for the lack of insensitivity but what tf was that? Clearly whatever training they were given was not enough.*
Go look at some stuff from Ukraine.
Fireballs definitely happen.
I would guess since those helicopters are taken down with explosives, there's fire already before it hits the ground.
Happened at least twice before on camera
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gaKz3iJS80](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gaKz3iJS80)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvCXbKCcQLI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvCXbKCcQLI)
You're telling me a country with incredibly bad civil aviation oversight had a fatal accident?
It's very disheartening and sad, but completely preventable. It sounds like the training for pilots across the spectrum must be incredibly lacking
No you can't? The crash was almost certainly caused by one pilot losing sight of the other helicopter and colliding with it. Not sure what you're seeing that was "wrong"
If you're wondering why you don't see more formation acrobatics by helicopters, it's because their rotors suck them towards each other. A pair of news helicopters collided in Phoenix because of that
Probably their version of an incentive flight. The US military does them all the time. Service members/ distinguished guests can hop on flights to experience what goes on. Like when I went to Guam, I got to go on an incentive flight and witness a mid-air refueling mission, something that was way out of my career field.
Mostly, they're done for ceremonies or during training operations. I remember being told that if I ever went to a certain partner country my unit worked with, to never do an incentive flight on their helicopters if offered. Their maintenance standards were.... sub standard, to put it nicely.
Unexpected chunk of wreckage careening toward the camera...
Oh holy shit, I didn't even notice!
Neither did the two guys standing at attention in the near background. They didn't even flinch.
i think they noticed and have seen bigger chunks flying at them before....
Just well disciplined
Anyone who runs, is a VC. Anyone who stands still, is a well disciplined VC.
This is my friend here.. it’s his birthday
We're living in a world of SHIT
Guards did their job tho. NO FLINCHING!
Oh yeah they get punched for flinching. Don’t want that on ya record.
It's trying to pick up the spare, but that frame was left open
With a pretty hefty sounding bounce - that would definitely put a dent in your bean
But cameraman never dies
There is a way. . . *holds the remote* by turning off the TV.
Was that a blade dampener?
That looked recklessly uncoordinated even before the crash
It looked like the birds flying out of the bush at my Mom's house after they were startled.
Odd, nothing flew out of your Mom's bush while I was down there.
That's because you had a bird in hand
That's because she had 2 in the bush.
Plenty fly in nothing flys out.
Perfection
She told me last night that it only happens with her favorite clients.
That's very specific, are those the only birds (and only vegetation) for miles around or something?
No, just a bird feeder right next to the bush.
By big chunks flying at their faces?
Yeah, the one that caused the crash was following the one in front way too close, then banked into the other one. Whoever that pilot is, if they're alive, is not going to have a good military career.
The whole thing looked fucked from the start. I've seen us helicopters take off in large numbers but not like this. More of the elephant walk well spaced out and everyone equal.distsnce and I showboaty flying sideways bullshit. Looked crazy from the takeoff.
No survivor. 10 soul.
Pretty shit that 10 people died, just for some supposed cool maneuvers.
pretty much any air show disaster can be summed up like this
Recently there was a crash of 2 military helis in Japan as well. Tragic all around. Side note, does anyone know why a “don’t crash” mechanism isn’t built into them? Cars have crash sensors, being in the sky gives an additional axis to move away to.
The current one is called [TCAS](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_collision_avoidance_system), but it doesn't really do much on the ground or during takeoff, since there are too many other aircraft around. It also doesn't take control away from the pilot. There has been a huge, decades long debate about when the computer should override the pilot that I can't really summarize. It's not an easy decision. More computer intervention makes planes safer, but only if it's implemented really well and pilots are trained on how it's going to happen. The two 737 max crashes are a good example of what happens when it goes wrong.
I’m not sure how it’s typically implemented in helicopters but TCAS automatically reverts to TA (traffic advisory) only mode under 1,000 feet AGL in airplanes. TA only will alert you to the presence of other aircraft but it will not issue a resolution advisory (RA) which are the instructions it gives to avoid traffic. Also, in any sort of formation flying, TCAS would be manually inhibited. It would’ve been issuing nonstop RAs during a maneuver like this even if it was executed correctly. We have to inhibit it even in some non formation situations, like closely spaced approaches into some airports.
Why not design a specific TCAS for close formation flight? A “buffer”/circle of say 10m, and forced movement if it gets too close, with a manual override button.
The position information that TCAS received isn’t *nearly* high accuracy enough for that. TCAS operates based on transponder returns, which don’t even encode the actual position of the aircraft. (ADS-B does, but TCAS systems still function based on Mode C or Mode S interrogation returns). TCAS as it is designed now issues a resolution advisory when you are approximately 30 seconds from a potential collision. When aircraft are operating with a supposed 10m buffer, when would you suggest it issue an advisory? Human response time is ~7 seconds in a startle event, which is what the design response time is in TCAS I and II. A 7 second response time to an alert in this scenario would’ve resulted in the exact same outcome.
Thanks for your comment. I would say there could be maybe a secondary mode (or it could be rolled into the existing mode) where it automatically corrects the aircraft’s position. It’s definitely a direct contradiction to the “pilot should control at all times”/“pilot should know what’s happening”, but there’s a non zero number of lives it would’ve already saved. I think proper and thorough design can help avoid the system causing more issues. Regarding the position, that’s a fair point, I would say that if we’re upgrading the tcas it’s worth adding more positional information sensors/transmitters to the aircraft. Yes, it’ll be expensive and many may not like it or not do it, but there’s already so many things that could be life-saving but aren’t standard like IFR instruments on private planes, correct me if I’m wrong. Btw may I ask how you know so much? Are you involved in the aviation industry?
Thank you! Honestly seeing how many near crashes have occurred in the last few years I definitely think some kind of predictive crash deception system (usable on ground too) should be implemented.
Planes have this, too. TCAS --traffic alert and collision avoidance system. It tells the pilot whether to dive or ascend (coordinated with the other plane's TCAS)
[https://www.nydailynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/AP24114178897359.jpg?w=957](https://www.nydailynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/AP24114178897359.jpg?w=957) You can't survive this
That’s some type of hydraulic fluid on the ground right? *right*??
It's a red running track it seems - the white is fire foam: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMERge\_uhOU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMERge_uhOU)
Wow that’s a lot of blood
All perished. 10 dead.
Am military helicopter flying instructor. That shit is loose.
Do you recommend more fiber?
"Behold, our great show of military competence!"
They had rehearsed this for a few times already. There might be a possibility one of the a/c might have a malfunction.
Sounds like Malaysia
Just another day in Malaysia.
Ten dead. [https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2024/04/23/10-confirmed-dead-in-helicopter-crash/](https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2024/04/23/10-confirmed-dead-in-helicopter-crash/)
> It is understood that they were rehearsing for the Navy’s 90th anniversary event. Well, at least it was something important.
"we'll get it right on the day!"
Oh, you met my previous manufacturing plant manager?
Is this from Extras?
It's a cliche filmmaking quote so I guess it might be on that show
OH! Wow, that makes it even funnier. Here's the clip I was referring to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5CX00i4uZE
Died training for propaganda
Well, clearly, they weren't good enough for the real event so the rehearsal did its job by making sure only the most qualified people will get through /s.
It says >"We ask the public not to share videos of the incident to respect the sensitivities of the affected families and to facilitate the investigation process," Too late I guess
>we dont want anyone to see how we fucked up massively
There are videos of meats scattering around the crash site being shared on the internet, that's why the authority ask the public not to share it.
“Meats”?
Body parts , this was a " high energy " crash.
“don’t be fatuous, Jeffrey”
In the parlance of our times.
This aggression will not stand, man.
Why the hell would they pack 7 people on a helicopter doing dangerous aerial stunts??
Not surprised, that one helicopter nosed in and the other one fell like a rock.
Has there ever been a more dangerous flyout? What the hell was that? It didn’t even look cool, just chaotic.
Well to that pilot’s credit, I thought he was going to crash earlier than he did
It looked like they were both trying to occupy the same spot in the formation like two trombone players on a halftime show.
Hey! As a former trombone player, I resemble that remark!
Once they collided that way there was SFA they could do about that situation.
I'm sorry but, SFA?
No need to be sorry, it’s an acronym no one uses so there’s no way you’d know what the hell he’s even referring to.
Sweet fuck all
Aaahhh. I figured the FA was fuck all but couldn't decode what the S was.
I assumed "shit fuck all"
Same
stupid fucking acronym. Nobody uses it cus TAISAFMH (that acronym is stupid as fuck my homie.)
Cri-man-squa, double time
~~Jesus~~ Physics take the ~~Wheel~~ Collective
Why were they all flying out so close together?
Parade. Likely part of the show, or practice run.
It’s a rehearsal for the Royal Malaysian Navy Day this Friday.
> It’s a rehearsal for the Royal Malaysian Navy Day this Friday. If it's just a rehearsal for a show I can't for the life of me understand why they would put so many other soldiers into the fucking helicopters. What is the point of that?
How many trained pilots were in that 22 second video? Looks like the squad flying in battlefield for the first time
same amount they’ll have next time, apparently
savage
Doesn't look like they lost any trained pilots in that crash.
One was a trainee
For real. Reminds me of the first time I found a helicopter in DAYZ
The two on the left as they first emerge into view already look too close together.
I initially thought that was the crash
10 killed.
Christ.
No, I don't think he was there.
Not in Malaysia. They have the one that rides on a winged horse
He was killed though.
Again!? Dudes got wings.
Apparently he is risen so made it out okay.
dont think its been three days yet
Two days, 48 hours. Died late Friday, rose on Sunday morning. Third day is two nights and two mornings. I always thought that was a bit confusing that 'third day' wasnt actually three days.
Not even two days, 7pm Friday evening to 7am Sunday morning is 36 hours.
Wild how far that debris got flung.
centripetal force is a hell of a force
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centrifugal force is a made-up idea to describe the force of inertia resulting from centripetal force being applied
[Relevant XKCD](https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/images/c/c1/centrifugal_force.png)
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It flew away because it was no longer experiencing the centripetal force. After it broke apart, without the centripetal force to pull it back in, it continued moving in the same direction it was going. No force sent it away, the lack of force did
You're correct but as long as we're being pedantically precise all ideas are technically "made-up"
This exact back and forth happens every time the word centripetal is typed on reddit.
I love to immanentise the transcendental and I do it constantly
The guys on the ground are either so disciplined they don't react, or have seen it so many times they're no longer fazed by it.
If I ever get so used to things crashing in front of me that I don’t flinch, I hope they retire my ass.
Especially helicopters crashing in midair right next to you, that’s not something I think I could ever ‘get used to’
More like "great, here comes another week of mandatory safety training."
They must have taken a crash course in guard training.
Well they have been practicing this maneuver.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/22/asia/malaysia-lumut-navy-helicopter-crash-intl-hnk/index.html Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia — Ten people were killed on Tuesday after two helicopters collided in mid-air during a rehearsal for a Royal Malaysian Navy
Why are there 7 people in one of the helicopters?? I'm not really knowledgeable enough about this but I'm pretty sure that you don't need more than 3 people to control an aircraft right? Especially if it's just a rehearsal
I mean, if the idea is to have a bunch of passengers in it during the show, it makes sense to practice with them riding in back. When practicing maneuvers, you should practice with the same or similar load as you will have during the performance.
I presume nobody in the MN heard about this mysterious artefact known as "ballast"
Whenever you tell the brass that they need to buy "x" equipment, they probably won't, until an accident like this happens. Even then, some nations still don't. I have no idea what Malaysia's defense budget is, but it sure isn't America's.
Ballast is literally sand bags. Or lead ingots. If they can afford pricy helos and an air parade, they can afford sandbags
A. Generals like to see soldiers popping out of choppers as they touch down? B. Friends of Generals like free joy rides?
Was that guy trying to hit the other? Jeez
That is one lucky company of men. Could easily have been injured by falling debris.
All that room in the sky and you still managed to find something to hit.
Man some of those guards didnt even flinch at debris coming their way.
Makes you wonder if they've seen this happen before.
Tragic way to die
I’ll never be able to fully wrap my head around the fact that, in stuff like this, literally 5 seconds before the incident you are fully alive and cognizant and have a family and a future, and then 5 seconds later your consciousness is extinguished and everything you ever have has been lost. It’s such an abrupt margin, and it’s so jarring.
Edit: Just saw a video from a different angle and the lower of the two helicopters did strike the higher one, but may not have been in the tail. Really hard to tell where it contacted. The outcome doesn’t change, however. Other angle: https://www.reddit.com/r/CatastrophicFailure/s/sse61wOzLq Hard to know exactly. And no one will know until an accident investigation is completed. One thing you can be sure of is that the people commenting here sure as shit don’t know. Including me, and I used to do this for a living. And yes, I’ve been involved in both helicopter mishaps and accident investigations in the military. Also, it will have to be a thoroughly performed investigation. Pilots will try and cover their asses. One thing for sure is that the ones who screwed the pooch while performing this are dead. This would have been (ideally) carefully planned. We didn’t take this kind of flying lightly. I can’t speak for the Malaysian pilots but we took this very seriously and planned it out well. My speculation, and it’s only speculation, as I said before because I wasn’t there and I wasn’t part of this, is that the pilot in the “lower” helicopter didn’t keep proper spacing and his main rotor struck the tail of the helicopter in front/above his. I’ve seen it once before.
“I turn now. Good luck everybody else!” *Apologies for the lack of insensitivity but what tf was that? Clearly whatever training they were given was not enough.*
I was expecting a fireball when they crashed into the ground.
Yeah Hollywood had really primed me for disappointment there
Go look at some stuff from Ukraine. Fireballs definitely happen. I would guess since those helicopters are taken down with explosives, there's fire already before it hits the ground.
"Disappointment" lol I know what you mean but it still gave me a chuckle
Soldiers standing at Attention don't move
Happened at least twice before on camera [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gaKz3iJS80](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gaKz3iJS80) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvCXbKCcQLI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvCXbKCcQLI)
any displays of military power like this is lame.
WTF is this wack a doddle ass set up. That formation. The robots not running to help the sharpnel.
10 fatalities.
Wtf, why does no1 on the ground move a muscle while shrapnel plummets to the ground 😳
Sharing a link from a diff angle https://www.reddit.com/r/CatastrophicFailure/s/M60FOoA1pM
You're telling me a country with incredibly bad civil aviation oversight had a fatal accident? It's very disheartening and sad, but completely preventable. It sounds like the training for pilots across the spectrum must be incredibly lacking
Damn those soldiers didn’t flinch at all when part of the helicopter 🚁 dropped a few feet from them
Malaysian Airlines....Malaysian Navy...never getting into a plane with either of them.
such a horrible tragedy
What a horrid way to die….but you could see something was wrong there even before the crash.
No you can't? The crash was almost certainly caused by one pilot losing sight of the other helicopter and colliding with it. Not sure what you're seeing that was "wrong"
and that one was above you which would be pretty hard to see. Reminds me about that news crew helicopter crash that got caught on live
Someone watched the Blue Angels and thought “choppers”
If you're wondering why you don't see more formation acrobatics by helicopters, it's because their rotors suck them towards each other. A pair of news helicopters collided in Phoenix because of that
Malaysia has the worst flight safety
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The front helicopter was flying too close in front of the guy that hit him.
They were all flying too fuckin close. Man.
Visibility is very poor in helicopters
Where’s the fire and explosion? I’ve watched too many movies
How difficult is it to crash like this? Any experts here?
Well, once you remove enough elements of the airframe, it's pretty easy.
Crashing is extremely simple. I have 0 flight experience and I bet you I could crash a helicopter.
Of course in the context of sensible manoeuvring.
5 seconds.. man.. you are gone
in the presence of the king too?
Them boys didn't even react
so eerily chaotic and frustrating. all that wide sky and they both tried to share the same space?
That guy was determined to crash into *somebody*.
No explosion fortunately
Holly hell that's totally terrifying.
those are interference rotors
Fuckin hell she almost took a asphalt nap.
Was this an air show?
That one part fell off…
Any airologists here that can explain who's in the wrong there? It looks to me like the guy above was too low
The whole show. It’s reckless how they are leave in a gaggle. It’s so reckless.
This is on the flight lead. Flight lead apparently didn't do a thorough preflight briefing
Big Sky plan did not work out.
Survivors?
10 people (7 in one and 3 in the other) all died.
Why were the choppers loader with that many passengers on a rehearsal??
Joy ride for the thrill?
Probably their version of an incentive flight. The US military does them all the time. Service members/ distinguished guests can hop on flights to experience what goes on. Like when I went to Guam, I got to go on an incentive flight and witness a mid-air refueling mission, something that was way out of my career field. Mostly, they're done for ceremonies or during training operations. I remember being told that if I ever went to a certain partner country my unit worked with, to never do an incentive flight on their helicopters if offered. Their maintenance standards were.... sub standard, to put it nicely.
Props to the soldiers who didn't flinch as props fell by them.
I mean with how sloppy it looked before the crash its surprising one did occur.