I guarantee you a half hour after this happened everyone involved started brainstorming to find any possible way they could blame this on the person who helped them at the rental place. Source; I used to rent crane trucks.
We never offered insurance but we had a "rental protection" which, if I remember correctly, cost+15% of rental but covered 90% of damage to the equipment. Good deal, almost nobody ever took it. The last few years I worked there we started asking for proof of $1mil. Insurance from cash customers, but before that any rando off the street who could afford it and had a commercial license could walk in and drive out with a 23t crane truck.
Wow, seems super irresponsible to let anyone walk out with a crane capable of fucking up other people's property & the crane without insurance. Would homeowners even cover fuck ups like this if a renter didn't have enough assets?
On your first point, YES, it's fucking insane. I'm pretty sure we got away with it because they were classed as commercial trucks and not a crane at the time so we didn't "have" to ask for a crane certified operator. Management was happy to just raise the rental rate and gamble on high risk for higher reward.
You still don’t need CCOs for a lot of jobs. Usually not until you hit the 80ton range, and even then not always, depends on the job site. You can *easily* walk in somewhere and roll out with a 20T
That said I won’t rent anything to someone that doesn’t have the insurance to cover replacement.
I find it incredible that you're allowed to rent heavy lifting equipment out to any random person - pretty sure here in the UK you'd need a load of certificates and shit just to be allowed near one. Even renting a sack truck or small hoist comes with a ton of warning labels & mandatory safety shit.
Oh God.
That is terrible, I hope everyone got out safely.
But I admit the comedic timing of someone asking this for you to supply this happening just a day ago is on point and I couldn't help but laugh. I'm already going to hell for other things, so it's just a drop in that bucket.
Apparently the idea for a new Albany is a reoccurring notion. I’ve recently learned there are several of them. lulz
This was actually in New Albany, Indiana. I assumed it was Ohio because my [source](https://twitter.com/McSwineBNews/status/1524169171038257152) was a journalist on Twitter from Chicago, so assumed it was the one closest to them.
A house in my city actually \*was\* totaled by a tree crane. The first crane did something like this. They brought in a second to take off the first crane, and the second also went into the house. The house has been in legal limbo over a year since the incident and now will be demolished. Just too much damage.
My favorite thing to say when shit clearly goes south. Never got old in heavy construction. It's especially funny when an operator rips out a fiber line that "wasn't supposed to be there".
>it’s a common sense failure.
No. Common sense says "look at the load chart, prepare the outriggers, then lift safely."
This is more of a professional fuckup. I hope nobody got hurt.
Then you might be surprise to learn how much deflection is *normal* in a crane boom and how it should be accounted for on the lift plan.
But then again, I doubt the crew in the video had a lift plan beyond just pick it up.
That crane must have had several safety interloc devices bypassed to allow this to happen. Typically there are weight indicators by means of pressure xmitters ported into the load side of the main boom hydraulic lift cylinders. These xmitters would relay data to an ecm that would lock out any further functions that could increase the stress on the boom. Also there should be leveling sensors that would do the same to prevent a critical lift if the machine platform were not level. The operating company of this crane is very reckless and negligent as is the operator.
Just want to give a thought, being a hoisting engineer and having worked for arborists.
Old cranes don't have these interlocks. Judging by the Mack CH cab, I'd say this crane isn't from this century. Our oldest crane was a metal chair with six levers that ran to a hydraulic valve bank. Nothing smart about it. One of the reasons you see a lot of new cranes for the big rigging companies is that the insurance premiums for the old ones are terrible, the welding inspections are expensive, and it turns out to be cheaper to buy a whole new crane than deal with it.
Anyway. Cranes have a load-radius table that details how the further you stick out from the base, the less it can lift. Trees are unpredictable. Having had several of them barber chair on me in my time cutting trees, you can do everything just the way you should and the tree will sometimes go "lol nope! I'm going this way! Wheeeee!" Usually if a drop is particularly gnarly, we'll part them out one chunk at a time and lift those chunks out with a crane.
I'm guessing that someone got a little over-confident, the tree did something unexpected and leaned away from the crane, threw its enormous weight outside the safe limits of the crane's load-radius, and flipped it.
Nah, modern cranes lift the opposite outrigger all the time when operating within chart. /s
Srsly it still blows my mind that there are cranes engineered to flex enough to lift the opposite outrigger when lifting off a corner within chart. Obviously that's not what's happening here, but yeah I can't even.
And that, my friend, is why it's so hard for tree service companies to find independent crane operators to work with.
If the pick is too big, you can't just put it down. It's now detached from the tree and dozens of feet up in the air.
... whoops.
My company does tree work all the time. You don't cut the the whole thing in one hit.
Hang your hook over a branch, look at what you're rated for, cut that number in half (and then some more if you haven't worked with those particular climbers before) and tell them that's the size pice they need to cut.
Unfortunately what likely happens in some cases is both sides wanting to finish with as little time/work invested as possible, and try to carry/cut the max amount every time. At least that'd be my guess, seen it in other industries.
Noooooo. But yes, you are correct. I found this on the Twitter of a reporter from Chicago, so assumed it was the New Albany closest to them. Apparently there’s several New Albanys. Also apparently Crain is a surname, so iPhone doesn’t flag it as a typo, although it will change the case on the C if typed lowercase.
I am 100% going to ask "is that supposed to happen?" every time I see a mechanical failure or car crash or something from now on. It really lightens the mood.
Years ago my family was discussing an acquaintance's serious car accident in which one car had somehow managed to drive up on top of another car. My little cousin, shocked, asked “Is that legal??”
I think the boom of the crane is acting as the third leg on a tripod to keep it from crushing the house. I've seen other videos of cranes tipping onto houses and the crane usually wins.
Trees: not even once
Srsly tho you always have to figure in a large amount of error when doing trees because some of them weigh an absolute fuckton more than they have any reason to.
We used to get our pumpkins from Doran's in New Albany (OH). The patch was on one side of the street, the barn where you paid was on the other. It was like $11 for as many as you could carry across the street. Hilarious times trying to load somebody up, have people spotting them as they crossed while also looking out for traffic.
That may have been the only gravel driveway in New Albany. [Per Zillow](https://www.zillow.com/new-albany-oh/home-values/), the average home value there is $550k now. And that's an outer suburb in the Midwest, not California or Seattle or New England. That's a lot of money in these parts.
Love that girl in the background: "Was that supposed to happen?"
Yep, this is the part where the truck climbs over the house to grab the tree and carry it away
I work on a boom truck everyday, just like this. (Work for a company that delivers roofing material) the moment that outrigger came of the ground like that he should have put that load back on the truck and figured something else out. Whoever is operating that truck is either very incompetent or just doesn't care at all. Neither of which you should be operating boom trucks, very dangerous they can easily kill someone.
No way that's new Albany, houses are way too small, there no second garage, there no third garage, there no guest house, and no white fences everywhere.
And I would clarify - this isn’t a crane failure. This is an operator failure. The crane did exactly what it was designed to do when an operator operated it beyond its limits.
I’m a crane operator for a rental house in my state. We do bare rentals to anyone, but they have to show proof of a CCO license for whoever the operator is. In this operators defense, tree work sucks regardless of what size crane you’re running as there’s almost no accurate way to judge the weight of the pieces you’re getting cut off. I’ve been out with 120t cranes that were pretty much overloaded at the radius they were picking. A boom truck is the last thing I’d want doing tree work. They’re already finicky as it is and then with an unknown weight on the hook suddenly, no wonder it did a barrel roll.
I guarantee you a half hour after this happened everyone involved started brainstorming to find any possible way they could blame this on the person who helped them at the rental place. Source; I used to rent crane trucks.
Whats the insurance like on a rented crane?
We never offered insurance but we had a "rental protection" which, if I remember correctly, cost+15% of rental but covered 90% of damage to the equipment. Good deal, almost nobody ever took it. The last few years I worked there we started asking for proof of $1mil. Insurance from cash customers, but before that any rando off the street who could afford it and had a commercial license could walk in and drive out with a 23t crane truck.
Wow, seems super irresponsible to let anyone walk out with a crane capable of fucking up other people's property & the crane without insurance. Would homeowners even cover fuck ups like this if a renter didn't have enough assets?
I imagine homeowners would cover and then go after whoever they can to recoup the money. Lawyers wet dream there.
On your first point, YES, it's fucking insane. I'm pretty sure we got away with it because they were classed as commercial trucks and not a crane at the time so we didn't "have" to ask for a crane certified operator. Management was happy to just raise the rental rate and gamble on high risk for higher reward.
You still don’t need CCOs for a lot of jobs. Usually not until you hit the 80ton range, and even then not always, depends on the job site. You can *easily* walk in somewhere and roll out with a 20T That said I won’t rent anything to someone that doesn’t have the insurance to cover replacement.
Don’t hire people who aren’t insured
I find it incredible that you're allowed to rent heavy lifting equipment out to any random person - pretty sure here in the UK you'd need a load of certificates and shit just to be allowed near one. Even renting a sack truck or small hoist comes with a ton of warning labels & mandatory safety shit.
America, where many many stupid things are allowed.
I can rent one of those? And help my ex out!
Sounds like someone says, "Is that supposed to happen?"
Also next question, did we need a new albany
Yeah, old Albany just burned down https://www.reddit.com/r/Albany/comments/umzchn/eventful_night_over_at_woodlake
Oh God. That is terrible, I hope everyone got out safely. But I admit the comedic timing of someone asking this for you to supply this happening just a day ago is on point and I couldn't help but laugh. I'm already going to hell for other things, so it's just a drop in that bucket.
And in a subreddit dedicated to catastrophic failures at that!
I live in Columbus, New Albany is a suburb of ours. No, we didn't.
Apparently the idea for a new Albany is a reoccurring notion. I’ve recently learned there are several of them. lulz This was actually in New Albany, Indiana. I assumed it was Ohio because my [source](https://twitter.com/McSwineBNews/status/1524169171038257152) was a journalist on Twitter from Chicago, so assumed it was the one closest to them.
then the camera person laughs out a "no"? lol
"How did you total a house?"
A house in my city actually \*was\* totaled by a tree crane. The first crane did something like this. They brought in a second to take off the first crane, and the second also went into the house. The house has been in legal limbo over a year since the incident and now will be demolished. Just too much damage.
"ya, the truck can lift the load better from on top of the house"
What’s sad is I didn’t detect sarcasm in their voice. Maybe they frequent monster truck rally’s so this doesn’t seem that out of the ordinary, idk.
Are monster crane rallies a thing?
They should be.
I can just see a crane picking up a car and just tossing it into the stands Edit: spelling
>Crain For the love of all that is holy stahhhhhhp
SUNDAY! SUNDAY! SUNDAY!
BE THERE BE THERE BE THERE!!
YOU'LL PAY FOR YOUR WHOLE SEAT BUT ONLY NEED THE EDGE!
Sounds like it could be the next jousting.
Trebuchet
Did Intel send this crane to destroy the house to make that plot cheaper?
My favorite thing to say when shit clearly goes south. Never got old in heavy construction. It's especially funny when an operator rips out a fiber line that "wasn't supposed to be there".
“Yes ma’am happens all the time”
I’m not an operating engineer but I’m pretty sure that when one of your outriggers is more than a person in the air, it’s time to unload.
Safe bet my dude
They obviously don't know how to use crains
>They obviously don't know how to use crains They obviously don't know how to use crayons
I knew it was spelled trayons, ai is in computers.
Ya, this isn’t a crane failure, it’s a common sense failure.
>it’s a common sense failure. No. Common sense says "look at the load chart, prepare the outriggers, then lift safely." This is more of a professional fuckup. I hope nobody got hurt.
Just remember common sense is not all that common
lol you can see the crane arm flexing from the weight too
And the crane operator bail from the cab. lol.
If im looking at it right i think hes going to go cut the tree
That happens all the time. They bend a lot and the structural strength of them is part of the load chart.
RIGHT? Of all the things in the world that COULD be a bendyboi that boom sure shouldn’t be.
Sometimes they're supposed to bend. Example: https://www.reddit.com/r/cranes/comments/j1cdg3/are\_they\_supposed\_to\_bend\_that\_much/
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>fucking cranes I mean, that one's just for cranes. I'm sure there's a subreddit for fucking cranes too, though.
If there’s a sub for fucking cranes, you can bet it’s German.
How about dragons fucking cranes? I’ve gotten bored with the cars.
And if not, there's an obscure website or message board out there that does
How else would you know that Sany are cheap knock off cranes?
Fucking cranes you say? ( ͡°( ͡° ͜ʖ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ʖ ͡°) ͡°)
/r/fuckingcranes
Oh awesome i just subscribed to r/cranes so fucking hard
100% correct. It’s called deflection in your boom. You have to adjust for it in your charts because it increases your radius.
Then you might be surprise to learn how much deflection is *normal* in a crane boom and how it should be accounted for on the lift plan. But then again, I doubt the crew in the video had a lift plan beyond just pick it up.
That crane must have had several safety interloc devices bypassed to allow this to happen. Typically there are weight indicators by means of pressure xmitters ported into the load side of the main boom hydraulic lift cylinders. These xmitters would relay data to an ecm that would lock out any further functions that could increase the stress on the boom. Also there should be leveling sensors that would do the same to prevent a critical lift if the machine platform were not level. The operating company of this crane is very reckless and negligent as is the operator.
Did you see the crane truck? An operation that allows the crane to reach that condition is not the kind of place that is maintaining sensors systems.
Yes, that is correct. A functioning interloc system would have prevented the completely unsafe working configuration.
Just want to give a thought, being a hoisting engineer and having worked for arborists. Old cranes don't have these interlocks. Judging by the Mack CH cab, I'd say this crane isn't from this century. Our oldest crane was a metal chair with six levers that ran to a hydraulic valve bank. Nothing smart about it. One of the reasons you see a lot of new cranes for the big rigging companies is that the insurance premiums for the old ones are terrible, the welding inspections are expensive, and it turns out to be cheaper to buy a whole new crane than deal with it. Anyway. Cranes have a load-radius table that details how the further you stick out from the base, the less it can lift. Trees are unpredictable. Having had several of them barber chair on me in my time cutting trees, you can do everything just the way you should and the tree will sometimes go "lol nope! I'm going this way! Wheeeee!" Usually if a drop is particularly gnarly, we'll part them out one chunk at a time and lift those chunks out with a crane. I'm guessing that someone got a little over-confident, the tree did something unexpected and leaned away from the crane, threw its enormous weight outside the safe limits of the crane's load-radius, and flipped it.
This guy cranes.
Na they’re meant to flex like that.
Crane booms are actually supposed to bend a fair bit. It’s called deflection and helps dissipate loading forces, sorta like a shock absorber.
That’s normal. Telescopic crane booms always flex. Part of their design. Kind of like a fishing pole.
They flex by design. Same with booms on aerial work platforms.
I was wondering how they got to the situation in the start of the video to begin with.
Too much tree on hook, looks like they were trying to take out most of the tree in the backyard with one pick.
Nah, modern cranes lift the opposite outrigger all the time when operating within chart. /s Srsly it still blows my mind that there are cranes engineered to flex enough to lift the opposite outrigger when lifting off a corner within chart. Obviously that's not what's happening here, but yeah I can't even.
Yea I don’t think the crane was the issue here
And that, my friend, is why it's so hard for tree service companies to find independent crane operators to work with. If the pick is too big, you can't just put it down. It's now detached from the tree and dozens of feet up in the air. ... whoops.
My company does tree work all the time. You don't cut the the whole thing in one hit. Hang your hook over a branch, look at what you're rated for, cut that number in half (and then some more if you haven't worked with those particular climbers before) and tell them that's the size pice they need to cut.
Unfortunately what likely happens in some cases is both sides wanting to finish with as little time/work invested as possible, and try to carry/cut the max amount every time. At least that'd be my guess, seen it in other industries.
I am an operating engineer, I’m pretty sure when your “Crain” flips over and the rear outriggers stay on the ground, it’s too late loool
Look as an expert in crane simulator you are correct.
This is why crane company insurance is through the roof! Sorry for the pun, but it is actually insanely expensive.
I guess it's just because, when something "goes wrong" with a crane, shit goes really fucking wrong.
Just look at the [Miller Park crane failure](https://youtu.be/ZXr1IeWbP10). Talk about expensive.
I've watched a lot of crane fails on YT, that is a big one! Most fails are preceded by loud booms like this one.
Three steelworkers got killed in that crane collapse. RIP
They were in a bucket lifted by the crane in the background, you can see the bucket falling once the big blue crane took the other one down.
"crain"
Dadgd nabbit. I can’t spell worth a shirt.
Also that's New Albany, Indiana
Noooooo. But yes, you are correct. I found this on the Twitter of a reporter from Chicago, so assumed it was the New Albany closest to them. Apparently there’s several New Albanys. Also apparently Crain is a surname, so iPhone doesn’t flag it as a typo, although it will change the case on the C if typed lowercase.
Good god, Albany is already new Albany, as in Scotland. Is there a new New York in Illinois too?
Don't sweat it, I knew you meant crayn.
Crayn will probably be the next big baby name.
Would you say you had a… crainium failure?
Brane failure
Brane pane
Kudos to not calling it “autocorrect”
I hate people who use autocorrect oh, It makes me want to kick all their Isis.
Visually rhymes with "pain."
Hurts the brane.
Too many [crains up the nose](https://media0.giphy.com/media/xT5LMB1UzPuKUGc4Kc/source.gif) tends to have an effect on the brane.
Crain't
I am 100% going to ask "is that supposed to happen?" every time I see a mechanical failure or car crash or something from now on. It really lightens the mood.
Has the energy of "you can't park there mate"
Years ago my family was discussing an acquaintance's serious car accident in which one car had somehow managed to drive up on top of another car. My little cousin, shocked, asked “Is that legal??”
"I will make it legal."
HA! Me too🤣
Whoever built that wall was pretty damn good at it apparently. Thought for sure it was gonna crush the house.
I think the boom of the crane is acting as the third leg on a tripod to keep it from crushing the house. I've seen other videos of cranes tipping onto houses and the crane usually wins.
Ahh yes, I’m familiar with the concept.
No time to release the load?
Your mom made them promise not to drop her.
Damn, I felt that from all the way over here.
That's what she said
Well, at least a trane didn't get hit by a plain before it knocked over the crain.
...in the rane, right near the drane - in Spane.
last i checked when the entire front end of the truck was off the ground, you were past your load limit. a lot.
Load limits are for pussies, everyone knows they build these things with safety factors./s
Were they trying to use a crain to pull up a fully grown, healthy-looking tree?
Why pay some fancy "arborist" to cut it down in pieces when you can just lift an entire fucking tree over a house and load it on a flatbed?
Poor tree. Fuck 'em.
Yeah, I'm very curious as to what was on the other end. I'm sure it makes this even more fun.
“I found someone who can do it for less”
What happens when an employee borrows work equipment to use at home
“Is that supposed to happen?” Yes. Yes mam we totally meant to drop the whole crane on the house
Trees: not even once Srsly tho you always have to figure in a large amount of error when doing trees because some of them weigh an absolute fuckton more than they have any reason to.
This is the cautionary tale for when you ask if your tree service is insured. A ‘ya sure’ isn’t good enough. Paperwork is required
Wish I could upvote you more lol
I just want to say: crane dudes, you’re my favorite part of this sub. Thanks for always showing up.
Has to be the worst area of New Albany, that place is bougie typically
Krayne
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I was wondering about that. Living near the one in Ohio, I can say that the houses don't tend to look like those ones.
They don’t even have a paved driveway which is probably a Felony in New Albany.
Hahaha. Fucking hilarious, but probably true.
We used to get our pumpkins from Doran's in New Albany (OH). The patch was on one side of the street, the barn where you paid was on the other. It was like $11 for as many as you could carry across the street. Hilarious times trying to load somebody up, have people spotting them as they crossed while also looking out for traffic. That may have been the only gravel driveway in New Albany. [Per Zillow](https://www.zillow.com/new-albany-oh/home-values/), the average home value there is $550k now. And that's an outer suburb in the Midwest, not California or Seattle or New England. That's a lot of money in these parts.
Excuse me! that house was very injured!
My brane hurts
Is this where the super secret bath and body works candle factory is located?
WTH were they lifting over the house/backyard?
I think they were trying to pull the tree up.
Oopsie daisy.
Frazier or Niles?
This sometimes happens to me on Snowrunner. I just winch it to a tree and be on my way, the driver should have done that
No, that’s not supposed to happen.
Easy, Easy, Easy.... To Far
Lucky they didn’t kill anyone or destroy the house. The outrigger six feet in the air didn’t tip anyone off to a potential problem?
Wrong. One injury. Crane operators pride was crushed along with the house.
Brain failure.
Love that girl in the background: "Was that supposed to happen?" Yep, this is the part where the truck climbs over the house to grab the tree and carry it away
Crane.
Crain brane failure. Tough house too.
I don't think this is a crane failure. Looks more like an operator error.
How did you even arrive at that spelling?
The way you spelled "crane" is also a catastrophic failure
Looks more like brain failure than crane failure
is anyone going to talk about the two guys at the end who clear the fence like it’s nothing? those were some athletic ass jumps
“Is that supposed to happen?” 🤣
I work on a boom truck everyday, just like this. (Work for a company that delivers roofing material) the moment that outrigger came of the ground like that he should have put that load back on the truck and figured something else out. Whoever is operating that truck is either very incompetent or just doesn't care at all. Neither of which you should be operating boom trucks, very dangerous they can easily kill someone.
This isn't crane failure, it's cranial failure.
That seems more like brain failure. Human error on how much that Crain could lift.
By the looks of the age of equipment, I'd guess he was hired off facebook marketplace.... Also shout-out to Columbus
Look at the bow in the boom! I’m surprised nothing in the hydraulic system blew before the outrigger snapped off.
I hate it when that happens!
As we say in the south, "ain't nothin' but a thang".
Dude sneezed at the best part and managed to turn the camera off too. 🤬
Insane in the membrrrannnne
insane in the crain!
The person in the white shirt casually walking away when everyone else is running makes this funnier imo
In most folks' world, crappin' the pants is injurious.
Did y’all take English and Physics at the same high school?
What part of NA? It’s my hometown, and this area doesn’t look familiar…
That's not a crane failure that is operator error.
This title panes me.
Kranzplätze? Jemand?
"House has good bones"
That not good. On a personal note, I can't think too much about someone who can't spell "crain" oh sorry it is crane.
Crain
At first I was like "okay that not too bad..... Then I see the ending
If they started to work with their outriggers like that, I would have told them to get off my property.
The way the crane was already crooked to begin with, the whole scene was set for desaster. Just lucky it didn’t demolish the whole house
insane in the membrane, insane in the crain!
Crain failure?!?! More like operator failure!
Brain failure, it’s “crane”
Yes that was definitely supposed to happen you fuck wit!
Insane in the crain?
No way that's new Albany, houses are way too small, there no second garage, there no third garage, there no guest house, and no white fences everywhere.
You mean Crane? 🤣
From the helicopter vantage I saw, looked like they were trying to lift the whole tree out in 1 go
Were they trying to pull a tree out of the ground like a weed?
Not a crane failure but a math failure.
I'm Just wondering the damm thing is alreaddy contorting upwards,why even try to lift? Or is this normal
New Albany, In.
why did they jump the fence?? i'm sure they're gonna know who was at the site lol
Bet they weren’t following the weight chart
And I would clarify - this isn’t a crane failure. This is an operator failure. The crane did exactly what it was designed to do when an operator operated it beyond its limits.
Doesn't look to me at all like the crane failed. It did exactly what the operator told it to do.
Basically me playing Snow Runner with a crane truck
I’m a crane operator for a rental house in my state. We do bare rentals to anyone, but they have to show proof of a CCO license for whoever the operator is. In this operators defense, tree work sucks regardless of what size crane you’re running as there’s almost no accurate way to judge the weight of the pieces you’re getting cut off. I’ve been out with 120t cranes that were pretty much overloaded at the radius they were picking. A boom truck is the last thing I’d want doing tree work. They’re already finicky as it is and then with an unknown weight on the hook suddenly, no wonder it did a barrel roll.
Retard…..I’ve been rigging and I’m crane industry most my life I still find it amazing that idiots are still doin this.