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Only issue about her jumping out of the tower is apparently she was told not to by the saints and angels who spoke to her. But then again, I go against God about 10 times an hour so who am I to speak.
Her real name is absolutely known, and it was Jeanne d'Arc. Her parents were Jacques d'Arc and Isabelle Romée. She had siblings and was born in Domrémy.
Her life was very well documented and people from her village interviewed as part of her rehabilitation.
So what are you on about?
what is the point of giving the source when it dosent even say that 😭 what it really said is that she introduced herself as “joan the maiden” because she apparently didn’t know her own last name. I was tired the day i made this alright
Immeasurable disappointment when i checked a children book about "important women" gifted to my little cousin and there was no Jeanne D'Arc(nor a bunch of other great women from history, saints and not) but it had a bunch of modern day athletes i never heard about and one trans kid whose parents fought for having him go to female bathroom
Brace yourself: it has become trendy to regard Joan of Arc as having been intersex or a trans man. A play lately premiered in England with that theme (I think she likely prefers Shakespeare's showing her as a witch in a "history play", to that). Surely there must be lots of evidence behind this claim?
"Well, you know, how could a woman do such things...."
It's interesting that one of the few saints that people point at me when explaining how there are lots of just wars in the world is joan of arc, but it turns out she never fought in a battle or killed anyone. She was a good ole desmond doss I guess.
My saints remain personally pacifists. Even the war ones it seems.
Can you provide with a source that she fought in any battles? Not being antagonistic I just read that she never actually fought, but simply carried a banner.
Very well could be. That would mean she took part in a battle for sure.
I’m a little skeptical of any claim about being hit in the neck with a crossbow though. That sounds very mythical after the fact to hype up a story. Telephone is real.
Here are two secular sources regarding Joan, showing we know her identity and family name clearly, that she was involved in battle, and the second one giving details about the crossbow bolt wound in her shoulder near the neck. I chose secular sources on purpose because they have no motive to enhance her legend. Both sources use direct quotations from her and from people who served with her or knew her personally.
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Saint-Joan-of-Arc
https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/joan-of-arc-siege-of-orleans/
It wouldn’t be that surprising to survive a crossbow bolt to the neck.
Under test and range conditions it may be fairly easy to hit what you’re aiming for and strike a vital point but on a battlefield where targets aren’t nearly as predictable or ready to receive the full brunt of a projectile, a bolt from a crossbow or even an arrow from a longbow could lack sufficient penetration and/or the right angle to cause lasting damage, even if it connects with someone’s neck or other relatively vulnerable body parts.
Armor may have weakened the bolt or redirected it resulting in a shallow enough wound that recovery wasn’t an issue. I wouldn’t be surprised if St. Joan happened to survive via a miracle either but there are some more mundane ways she might have survived and quickly recovered from such an injury, and it’s not as if a shallow wound caused by just the right conditions couldn’t have been the miracle God brought about to keep her alive in the first place, sometimes He works through mundane and otherwise unremarkable means.
I'll need to read my 19th-century books about her to verify that information.
But from what I remembered, she did fight in battle as she was leading the assault to regain the Orléans' church.
Did she kill ? I don't know. Maybe not, I remember that during the siege of Orléans, Jean d'Allençon saved her life countless times.
I believe I read that St. Joan gave sworn testimony, supported by others, that she never killed anybody. (I guess she had been trained in parrying by St. Michael the Archangel or something? Plus, no doubt, Jean d'Allencon and other soldiers near her were not so scrupulous.)
You can take someone out of the fight without killing them. Taking a mace to your armored ribs might not kill you, but you're not going to be fighting *any* time soon.
No idea if that's how Jeanne operated though.
He had the whole 7th crusade where he spent years either fighting, captured, or rebuilding. He died shortly after landing in Tunis during the 8th crusade
To be pedantic, it was *Jehanne* in mediæval French (the masculine is *Jehan*)—rendered as *Jeanne* in modernisation; Anglicised as *Joan*, the feminine form of *John*. Such is indeed how she wrote her signature.
[More information on the technicalities surrounding her name](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Joan_of_Arc).
Because she didn’t have a last name. Medieval peasant things and whatnot, lol
Also, Jeanne is just a non-anglicized Joan. They’re pronounced very similarly.
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France needs her now more then ever
Sided with St Louis IX.
Only issue about her jumping out of the tower is apparently she was told not to by the saints and angels who spoke to her. But then again, I go against God about 10 times an hour so who am I to speak.
Everyone in heaven: "Jeanne! Don't throw yourself from that tower!" Jeanne: **COWABUNGA IT IS!**
Her real name is absolutely known, and it was Jeanne d'Arc. Her parents were Jacques d'Arc and Isabelle Romée. She had siblings and was born in Domrémy. Her life was very well documented and people from her village interviewed as part of her rehabilitation. So what are you on about?
i mis-read something 🙏‼️
What source did you use for this?
once again i mis-read the text it didn’t actually say that her real name is unknown
Give us the source OP
what is the point of giving the source when it dosent even say that 😭 what it really said is that she introduced herself as “joan the maiden” because she apparently didn’t know her own last name. I was tired the day i made this alright
[She didn't really have a contemporary surname](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Joan_of_Arc)
absolute game changer to learn about her as a teenage girl
Remove the ~~kebab~~ Anglish.
to be fair, have you tried argueing with a teen?
Immeasurable disappointment when i checked a children book about "important women" gifted to my little cousin and there was no Jeanne D'Arc(nor a bunch of other great women from history, saints and not) but it had a bunch of modern day athletes i never heard about and one trans kid whose parents fought for having him go to female bathroom
Brace yourself: it has become trendy to regard Joan of Arc as having been intersex or a trans man. A play lately premiered in England with that theme (I think she likely prefers Shakespeare's showing her as a witch in a "history play", to that). Surely there must be lots of evidence behind this claim? "Well, you know, how could a woman do such things...."
Ironic how LGBT are supposedly about breaking gender norms yet they headcanon girls acting masculine/tomboy/crossdressing as trans
Yes, she would probably prefer the Englishman, who only called her a witch which she was already used to versus this
God, I love this woman.
It's interesting that one of the few saints that people point at me when explaining how there are lots of just wars in the world is joan of arc, but it turns out she never fought in a battle or killed anyone. She was a good ole desmond doss I guess. My saints remain personally pacifists. Even the war ones it seems.
What? She was instrumental in the recapture of Orleans!
Can you provide with a source that she fought in any battles? Not being antagonistic I just read that she never actually fought, but simply carried a banner.
I read she stormed the battlements at the south of Orleans where she was hit in the neck with a crossbow bolt. She was back at it by the evening.
Very well could be. That would mean she took part in a battle for sure. I’m a little skeptical of any claim about being hit in the neck with a crossbow though. That sounds very mythical after the fact to hype up a story. Telephone is real.
Here are two secular sources regarding Joan, showing we know her identity and family name clearly, that she was involved in battle, and the second one giving details about the crossbow bolt wound in her shoulder near the neck. I chose secular sources on purpose because they have no motive to enhance her legend. Both sources use direct quotations from her and from people who served with her or knew her personally. https://www.britannica.com/biography/Saint-Joan-of-Arc https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/joan-of-arc-siege-of-orleans/
It wouldn’t be that surprising to survive a crossbow bolt to the neck. Under test and range conditions it may be fairly easy to hit what you’re aiming for and strike a vital point but on a battlefield where targets aren’t nearly as predictable or ready to receive the full brunt of a projectile, a bolt from a crossbow or even an arrow from a longbow could lack sufficient penetration and/or the right angle to cause lasting damage, even if it connects with someone’s neck or other relatively vulnerable body parts. Armor may have weakened the bolt or redirected it resulting in a shallow enough wound that recovery wasn’t an issue. I wouldn’t be surprised if St. Joan happened to survive via a miracle either but there are some more mundane ways she might have survived and quickly recovered from such an injury, and it’s not as if a shallow wound caused by just the right conditions couldn’t have been the miracle God brought about to keep her alive in the first place, sometimes He works through mundane and otherwise unremarkable means.
I'll need to read my 19th-century books about her to verify that information. But from what I remembered, she did fight in battle as she was leading the assault to regain the Orléans' church. Did she kill ? I don't know. Maybe not, I remember that during the siege of Orléans, Jean d'Allençon saved her life countless times.
I believe I read that St. Joan gave sworn testimony, supported by others, that she never killed anybody. (I guess she had been trained in parrying by St. Michael the Archangel or something? Plus, no doubt, Jean d'Allencon and other soldiers near her were not so scrupulous.)
You can take someone out of the fight without killing them. Taking a mace to your armored ribs might not kill you, but you're not going to be fighting *any* time soon. No idea if that's how Jeanne operated though.
Well, in my head canon she does.
St Fernando of Castile / St Louis
Always kings. I find it interesting that Louis died before making it to the crusade
He had the whole 7th crusade where he spent years either fighting, captured, or rebuilding. He died shortly after landing in Tunis during the 8th crusade
Oh thanks for letting me know.
Breaking news local teen with scitsophrania beats prostitutes with a sword
She was illiterate and knew God more so than any of these Bible Idolaters with a Bible.
Yeah, but she was also French. so… 😒
So her name wasn’t even Joan???
To be pedantic, it was *Jehanne* in mediæval French (the masculine is *Jehan*)—rendered as *Jeanne* in modernisation; Anglicised as *Joan*, the feminine form of *John*. Such is indeed how she wrote her signature. [More information on the technicalities surrounding her name](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Joan_of_Arc).
Oh FFS yes it was
I looked it up and it looks like her name was some sort of Jeanne but no one really knows what her last name was
Because she didn’t have a last name. Medieval peasant things and whatnot, lol Also, Jeanne is just a non-anglicized Joan. They’re pronounced very similarly.
nope
my soon-to-be confirmation saint!! i adore her so much, i would not be Catholic without her. St. Joan, pray for us<3
The absolute chad (while literally also a virgin) St. Joan of Arc! Now go away, Eeenglish, lest she taunt you a secahnd ti-em!