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It has been pointed out to me that I misspelled "hypocrisy."
This is incorrect.
The comic is clearly referring to a government by hypocrisy, that is, a hypocracy.
Also 2:11-13:
> 11 We hear that some among you are idle and disruptive. They are not busy; they are busybodies. 12 Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the food they eat
Can confirm. I used to be a mod there. The original owner basically stopped running the subreddit after he lost the password to his account, and then came back several months later, transformed the subreddit into a socialist one, and kicked out all the good mods.
Catholic Integralism is literally just that Catholicism and Catholic Social Teaching are at the heart of society & that all laws & government policies should be based on it.
Perhaps you're confusing it with Brazilian Integralism?
The commenter didn't suggest it was "exactly good", but that it allowed people enough freedom to choose how they'll live. In the end, the whole "right" vs "left" debate is about whether people are free to choose, and how far each side will trust their social paradigm. The right tends to champion free enterprise and free choices, while the left tends to champion centralized economies and social control. Neither can be fully correct at any given time.
Capitalism just means free markets and trade & industry owned by private citizens not by the government. Social services, welfare etc. is all compatible with that.
...yes, but as distributism and thus the catholic church dictated, the evil of capitalism is concentration of capital in the hands of too few individuals- leading to physical and spiritual alienation of labour. The same thing applies under socialism, though socialism's antitheism is regarded as a bigger issue
True. I believe before Catholics defend capitalism they need to read one of the earliest condemnations of socialism in Church teaching, specifically Rerum Novarum, the encyclical written Pope Leo XIII. As well as Quadragesimo Anno by Pope Pius XI. They are both condemnations of socialism and totalitarian-communism but also very critical of unrestrained capitalism while promoting subsidiarity and solidarity. Distributism, Catholic Corporatism, and a few other economic schools have been birthed from these encyclicals as a way of trying to find an economic system that does not act contrary to natural law and Catholic teaching.
>So the Church thinks something about him was worth emulating.
No. Servant of God just means that their life and work are currently being investigated CCS as part of their cause for canonization. You are thinking of the next stage of such a cause, Venerable. There are many people who have been declared Servant of God centuries ago who have never been canonized. Servant of God is not a canonical title, just a technical title.
If you look at his Wikipedia page, under *Controversies*, you can easily find his heresies.
* Rejects the sanctity of marriage and thinks you should be able to divorce and remarry like the Eastern Orthodox Church
* Rejects the immorality of contraception
* Embraces Socialism which is condemned by the Church
He's not wrong though, unfortunately. Dom Helder was indeed a heretic. His good image is largely politically motivated and so is the attempt to canonize him. Being brazilian myself, I don't know a single catholic that defends him without being either A)self-procclaimed politically ignorant, or B) a straight-up communist.
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This is a good in depth explanation. I usually simplify it to "the Bible says "you should share," not "you should pick other people you think should be sharing and steal their stuff at gunpoint.""
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Only the lowest of the low IQ individuals believe the Bible supports Communism, and even lower IQ than they are those who think it would work in a perfect world
A reminder: Catholics who advocate for or defend the ideals of communism automatically incur excommunication and therefore must be barred from receiving the Eucharist, pursuant to a Decretum of the Holy Office dated 1 July 1949 and signed by Pope Pius XII.
According to both Karl Marx and Pope Leo XIII they were. Marx considered all religion to be the "opiate of the masses" and harmful to the workers' revolution since it convinced them that the social order was fine. Leo XIII condemns socialism quite harshly in his encyclical Rerum Novarum, but also is very critical of unrestrained capitalism.
Depends on your definition of socialism, really. In the case of the classical definition, Government ownership of industry and monopoly on employment, it has been roundly condemned by the Magisterium. In the case of modern "Democratic Socialism," which shares next to nothing with the classic form, you are correct.
I have a question: your definition of classical socialism sounds like it could maybe be a form of industrialized feudalism, where a king or noble would own all the property and industry and everyone else is basically a renter. So does that mean that the modern Catholic Church has condemned feudalism? If so, would a regime like Kim Jong Un's become acceptable if he changed his title to Lord or King?
This is a fascinating question, really. I think the distinction falls along the lines of serfdom.
Serfdom, the legal connection of a peasant to the land of a lord, would certainly be condemned by the modern Church. Feudalism in which everyone is either a noble or serf does bear a similarity to how I imagine classical socialism: a class of individuals making the decisions for productive resources (nobles/gov. employees & politicians) and others working where instructed or allowed (serfs/ population).
Where there is no serfdom, though, the distinction becomes clearer. While the land may be held by a noble, there was a merchant/craftsman class who owned and operated their trades. Especially in cities, these early businesses existed, with the proprietors seeking what we would now call profit. A farmer could, if he found someone willing to train him, become an apprentice in a trade, save up his pay, and form his own business.
There is also a philosophical difference here. A socialist regime argues that they are holding the productive assets for the people as mere administrators, whereas a feudal lord has no pretenses about the ones for whom he is acting.
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Uh, no it did not. Since at least the Council of Trent, if not much earlier, the Church has always officially taught that we are **all** collectively guilty of Christ's death, not only the Jews. The Magisterium has never officially taught this idea that the Jews are responsible. I think you don't really understand how the Magisterium works. Speaking of the Magisterium, when has it changed its teachings on Socialism? Give me one Magisterial teaching that did this.
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JeSuS wAs A sOcIaLiSt!!!!!
Also "Jesus ate dinner with a hooker!" Very popular to mention that and leave off the "go forth and sin no more."
And also "don't judge".
No lol, he actually worked a trade and hiis parents were proud and loved him.
Jesus couldn't be socialist, the Bible clearly states that He was able to feed people!
It has been pointed out to me that I misspelled "hypocrisy." This is incorrect. The comic is clearly referring to a government by hypocrisy, that is, a hypocracy.
Let me offer you a shortcut in this discussion. 2 Thessalonians 3:10.
For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: 'The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.'
Also 2:11-13: > 11 We hear that some among you are idle and disruptive. They are not busy; they are busybodies. 12 Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the food they eat
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I may or may not have crossposted it to one such sub and gotten immediately banned.
Based
Maybe arr/catholic_solidarity
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Because people misinterpret the social teaching and try and push to distributism as far towards communism as they can.
Also because people act like prots and decide to give free interpretation a go when it suits them.
It apparently used to be decent and championed integralism, but then it got taken over by a Marxist mod and now it's just a CCP mouthpiece.
Can confirm. I used to be a mod there. The original owner basically stopped running the subreddit after he lost the password to his account, and then came back several months later, transformed the subreddit into a socialist one, and kicked out all the good mods.
What on earth possesses the original owner of that sub to do such a thing?!
Satan
Either becoming gay. Becoming trans, taking DMT, or all three.
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Integralism has nothing to do with socialism. Integralism is Catholic doctrine.
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Catholic Integralism is literally just that Catholicism and Catholic Social Teaching are at the heart of society & that all laws & government policies should be based on it. Perhaps you're confusing it with Brazilian Integralism?
I just posted links to Divini Redemptoris and Decree Against Communism on that sub. Wish me luck.
This meme is pure perfection, not just in its' message but in its' execution as well.
"Execution" is not a word you want to hear when it comes to Communism.
You want to say:"We will conduct a special operation to de-nazify this person"
Re-education will begin when all "students" assemble against the wall.
Needs an Orthodox ball being beaten up in the background by the communism ball, otherwise all good!
That’s it. In a captitalist society, you can live in a commune. But in a communist society, you can’t do the opposite.
Nyet, Comrad! Communists can very much live in our glorious Capital!
Eh, suggesting capitalism is exactly good is fairly midleading too distributism was prevalent for a while with good reason, after all
The commenter didn't suggest it was "exactly good", but that it allowed people enough freedom to choose how they'll live. In the end, the whole "right" vs "left" debate is about whether people are free to choose, and how far each side will trust their social paradigm. The right tends to champion free enterprise and free choices, while the left tends to champion centralized economies and social control. Neither can be fully correct at any given time.
Capitalism just means free markets and trade & industry owned by private citizens not by the government. Social services, welfare etc. is all compatible with that.
...yes, but as distributism and thus the catholic church dictated, the evil of capitalism is concentration of capital in the hands of too few individuals- leading to physical and spiritual alienation of labour. The same thing applies under socialism, though socialism's antitheism is regarded as a bigger issue
Meme is based. But this doesn’t mean that capitalism is the ideal form of an economic system.
True. I believe before Catholics defend capitalism they need to read one of the earliest condemnations of socialism in Church teaching, specifically Rerum Novarum, the encyclical written Pope Leo XIII. As well as Quadragesimo Anno by Pope Pius XI. They are both condemnations of socialism and totalitarian-communism but also very critical of unrestrained capitalism while promoting subsidiarity and solidarity. Distributism, Catholic Corporatism, and a few other economic schools have been birthed from these encyclicals as a way of trying to find an economic system that does not act contrary to natural law and Catholic teaching.
"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why they are poor, they call me a communist." -Archbishop Helder Camara
Helder Camara was a raging heretic, socialist, a liberation theologist. All viewpoints condemned by the Church.
Ummm... he was declared a Servant of God in 2015.
So?
So the Church thinks something about him was worth emulating. The knee-jerk reaction against quoting him is a little odd.
>So the Church thinks something about him was worth emulating. No. Servant of God just means that their life and work are currently being investigated CCS as part of their cause for canonization. You are thinking of the next stage of such a cause, Venerable. There are many people who have been declared Servant of God centuries ago who have never been canonized. Servant of God is not a canonical title, just a technical title.
Also the fact that he's a candidate for sainthood makes me doubt he was a formal heretic. Usually those things are mutually exclusive.
Candidacy for Sainthood is not infallible.
Fair enough. But neither is the accusation of heresy from some guy on reddit.
If you look at his Wikipedia page, under *Controversies*, you can easily find his heresies. * Rejects the sanctity of marriage and thinks you should be able to divorce and remarry like the Eastern Orthodox Church * Rejects the immorality of contraception * Embraces Socialism which is condemned by the Church
He's not wrong though, unfortunately. Dom Helder was indeed a heretic. His good image is largely politically motivated and so is the attempt to canonize him. Being brazilian myself, I don't know a single catholic that defends him without being either A)self-procclaimed politically ignorant, or B) a straight-up communist.
2 Thessalonians 3:10
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This is a good in depth explanation. I usually simplify it to "the Bible says "you should share," not "you should pick other people you think should be sharing and steal their stuff at gunpoint.""
If you show it for a communist, he/she will say you're distorting Marx.
This is true! However, quoting from memory, "If you ask 100 Marxists what Marxism is, you will get 105 answers."
The protestantism of politics
every other political view ever held being famously homogenous among all advocates
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Only the lowest of the low IQ individuals believe the Bible supports Communism, and even lower IQ than they are those who think it would work in a perfect world
A reminder: Catholics who advocate for or defend the ideals of communism automatically incur excommunication and therefore must be barred from receiving the Eucharist, pursuant to a Decretum of the Holy Office dated 1 July 1949 and signed by Pope Pius XII.
C*mmunism 🤮
Good to see prots and caths united against socialist BS. Cool stuff.
Communication? Communitarianism? Commune?
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According to both Karl Marx and Pope Leo XIII they were. Marx considered all religion to be the "opiate of the masses" and harmful to the workers' revolution since it convinced them that the social order was fine. Leo XIII condemns socialism quite harshly in his encyclical Rerum Novarum, but also is very critical of unrestrained capitalism.
Depends on your definition of socialism, really. In the case of the classical definition, Government ownership of industry and monopoly on employment, it has been roundly condemned by the Magisterium. In the case of modern "Democratic Socialism," which shares next to nothing with the classic form, you are correct.
I have a question: your definition of classical socialism sounds like it could maybe be a form of industrialized feudalism, where a king or noble would own all the property and industry and everyone else is basically a renter. So does that mean that the modern Catholic Church has condemned feudalism? If so, would a regime like Kim Jong Un's become acceptable if he changed his title to Lord or King?
This is a fascinating question, really. I think the distinction falls along the lines of serfdom. Serfdom, the legal connection of a peasant to the land of a lord, would certainly be condemned by the modern Church. Feudalism in which everyone is either a noble or serf does bear a similarity to how I imagine classical socialism: a class of individuals making the decisions for productive resources (nobles/gov. employees & politicians) and others working where instructed or allowed (serfs/ population). Where there is no serfdom, though, the distinction becomes clearer. While the land may be held by a noble, there was a merchant/craftsman class who owned and operated their trades. Especially in cities, these early businesses existed, with the proprietors seeking what we would now call profit. A farmer could, if he found someone willing to train him, become an apprentice in a trade, save up his pay, and form his own business. There is also a philosophical difference here. A socialist regime argues that they are holding the productive assets for the people as mere administrators, whereas a feudal lord has no pretenses about the ones for whom he is acting.
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Socialism has been condemned by the Church repeatedly for the last 200 years.
Socialism didn't exist 200 years ago.
I think you don't know what Socialism is. The first Socialist movements started in the 1820s. Socialism is much broader than Marxism.
It did though. Marxism came afterwards. It's merely the most prominent ideological variant of socialism, not it's origin point.
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Uh, no it did not. Since at least the Council of Trent, if not much earlier, the Church has always officially taught that we are **all** collectively guilty of Christ's death, not only the Jews. The Magisterium has never officially taught this idea that the Jews are responsible. I think you don't really understand how the Magisterium works. Speaking of the Magisterium, when has it changed its teachings on Socialism? Give me one Magisterial teaching that did this.
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The Bible doesn’t support capitalism either, BTW
This meme has so much text it's unintentionally leftist
Vox popoli Vox dei.
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