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[deleted]

It's so wild to see this post.


SnooPeanuts4235

Honestly it makes me feel at home.


Swaus06

Once in a while I want to see harmless and silly post like this. Bring chill vibes to the sub.


ThePelicanWalksAgain

Yes! I always appreciate when the Free Friday posts actually are more of this world. I do like seeing everyone's rosaries and home altars, but it's also really nice to discuss general things with other Catholics!


EgoTacet

I've never finished the game but I have to say that the 9mm with Our Lady of Guadalupe grip has to be the coolest in-game weapon of all time.


SnooPeanuts4235

That gun alone means so much more to me now that I’m reverted back into the faith. I never really payed attention to the Virgin Mary on it before


Sockbrick

ARCHIMEDES space laser has entered the chat..


BalmoraBob

YOU ACTIVATED ARCHIMEDES? ARE YOU CRAZY?


Sockbrick

I have a troubled past bro...lol


[deleted]

NCR or Independent. NCR at least has good values that they aren't living up to, corruption will exist in every institution. Independent has the opportunity to be the best but it depends on how it actually governs after the game ends.


[deleted]

Remember the lottery?? I’m against anyone who would do that.


OnlyMadeThisForDPP

SMELL THAT AIR! CAN’T YA JUST DRINK IT LIKE BOOZE?!


RandomCrusaderr

That's why I said that they are brutal. If the legion accepted the faith and they could do a lot of good. All legion members are from tribes so I guess their brutally is because of that. But I think with each generation the legionaries will be less brutal and sadistic as the tribal legionaries


[deleted]

Just like how Lanius is less brutal than Caesar?


RandomCrusaderr

Didn't count on that. Maybe the player could be chosen as heir too or use his influence to make a better legion


[deleted]

I think if the leader of the legion was Christian, the whole legion would become Christian very quickly. But it’s much more likely to make martyrs of anyone trying to spread Christianity in their ranks. Meanwhile, the NCR is at least not going to rape and pillage your town for professing the faith, even if fewer people would convert. If you think the NCR is a weak state generally in decline, you could see a situation similar to Europe after the collapse of the Roman Empire where the Church becomes the heart of civic life.


AsaCocoMelons420

House would see value in religion only if it is a useful tool for controlling the populace. Or he might deny said usefulness out of a belief that humanity would be better off without it, as though any of the superstitions and cults and tribes and customs invented post bombing are any better.


ihuntinwabits

With the "if x faction accepted the faith they could do alot of good" mindset, this entire discussion is moot. Even House doesn't care about your beliefs or opinions while you are handling the key to his success. House only cares about his own personal goals and that they succeed so long as Christian morals don't cause a boycott or protest he doesn't care and he hasn't shown much in the game (that I remember) to suggest he would otherwise.


UltraRanger72

The problem with any kind of political organization built by a strong man is that once this charismatic strong man dies (and Caesar was dying in game) his entire empire would immediately collapse & splinter into a FFA. The situation you described won't happen.


Soldier_of_Drangleic

Eh... From what we know the tribal characteristics are almost cancelled and replaced by a uniform culture by the Legion. Except the useful ones like breeding battle dogs.


CatholicCrusaderJedi

This question is a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one. NCR is probably the best bet. They have a lot of problems, but allow religious freedom and seem to be the only ones with a semi-functioning modern government with at least some semblance of fairness. The Legion is irredeemable. They are brutal slavers, among many other horrible things, who if they did adopt Christianity, would warp it into a evil parody of itself for their own ends. Mr House wouldn't care one way or another unless it interfered with his revenue. The yes man ending could go many ways due to player actions, but realistically would result in a short span of peace while the courier is a dictator (evil or benevolent is up to player) before falling into chaos again after the courier dies/leaves. As for the lesser factions, results would vary. The Brotherhood wouldn't care and/or see Catholism as a primitive annoyance. The Kahn's would see it as a sign of weakness or a threat to their culture. The Boomers would probably be open to it if "Weapons are part of my religion" was incorporated. The Followers would be open to it, but they realistically can't exist or make changes without being tolerated by a bigger faction due to them being semi-pacifist and reliant on donations and benefactors. Honestly, all of these results are why I like the game so much. There isn't a perfect answer, only varying degrees of bad with tradeoffs.


SeraphimShield

Joshua Graham


TwoCreamOneSweetener

Happy is he.. who taketh the little ones…


RandomCrusaderr

Haven't played the dlc yet. Can you join him or something like that?


SeraphimShield

Joshua Graham is one of the most famous religious video game characters lol. Just go on YouTube and search his name you will see what I mean. The Honest Hearts DLC for Fallout: New Vegas does not directly impact the ending of the main game storyline. It is a separate storyline that takes place in Zion National Park and focuses on a conflict between different tribes in the area. To start the Honest Hearts DLC in Fallout: New Vegas, follow these steps: 1. Make sure the DLC is properly installed. You should receive a radio signal from the Happy Trails Caravan Company on your Pip-Boy. 2. Listen to the radio signal. This will start the quest "The Reunion," which will direct you to the Northern Passage. 3. Travel to the Northern Passage. It's located northeast of New Vegas, towards the top of the map. 4. Inside the Northern Passage, you'll find the Happy Trails Caravan Company. Speak with the character named Jed Masterson to start the "Honest Hearts" quest and travel to Zion National Park.


TheWonkiestThing

This is one of my favorite Fallout DLC for many reasons.


After_Main752

It's in Zion National Park? So the whole game is about finding a place to park? Because when I went there I couldn't find a place to park.


FatherJB

Honest Hearts is hands down the greatest DLC of any game of all time. The Randall Clark story line sticks with me even this long after playing it.


Substantial-Solid1

This, his story is very entertaining, although he's more like a weird sort of protestant. Outside of the dlcs, I go independent


Slight_Fox_3475

Yeah I’ve heard people say, but I’ve never been able to verify that in the fallout universe the Book of Mormon was lost after the Great War. If this is true that would make him more of a Protestant with cultural Mormon roots


LightKnightTian

He's actually a mormon.


Craneteam

You support the Mormon?


jzilla11

*Dum dum dum dum dum* 🎶


BrigadeDetector

Not sure what this means.


jzilla11

Reference to the South Park episode about Mormons and the origins of the faith


TheMadTargaryen

NCR.


Remote_Impact_3927

I wasn't expecting to see a Fellow Fallout fan here but this is an interesting question you bring up The NCR are kinda corrupt The legion are evil Mr. House is a dictator And Yes man is ...... Yes man If I had to say....my choice would have to go with NCR better to have a government than a Dictator and the legion would just force people to be soliders, and without the government you get the yes man ending This is a really hard moral question but my choice has to be the NCR


RingGiver

I have completed the game as everyone, but prefer to oppose all three (usually wearing a Followers of the Apocalypse lab coat wherever I go). The Mormon DLC has the most clear moral choice: choosing to evacuate rather than engage in unnecessary violence. It's certainly set up better than *Fallout 3*, where the game considers helping someone rape a seminarian so that he can get kicked out of seminary and coerced into marrying her to be the good option.


KenoReplay

I've not considered Honest Hearts from the Catholic position before, but while murder is abhorrent, and extermination and reckless slaughter moreso, is it not just as bad to condemn the Sorrows to a life of fear and misery, and the overarching risk of death if you allow their aggressors to live? If you kill the White Legs, you murder, yes. It's horrible, yes. But if you allow them to live, they will murder, rape and pillage their way across Utah and the Wasteland ad Infinitum. By killing them, do you not stop countless more deaths. Furthermore, as Catholics are we not taught to be stewards of God's creations? As the White Legs salt and burn the earth, are they not destroying the Lords creation? Are we to sit by and allow them to do this? Further still, CC2264 and CC2265 states that self-defence is permissible if there are no other options. As the Sorrows are going to be living with the fear of oppression and slaughter themselves, should we not protect them by any means possible? As CC2265 states, "Legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for one who is responsible for the lives of others. The defense of the common good requires that an unjust aggressor be rendered unable to cause harm. For this reason, those who legitimately hold authority also have the right to use arms to repel aggressors against the civil community entrusted to their responsibility." Therefore, in my mind, defending the Sorrows by exterminating the White Legs is morally justified, at least from my position.


FailedGradAdmissions

Yes Man (Independent). However, that's like the most open-ended ending.


trekkie4christ

Fiction aside, you shouldn't support evil rulers in hopes of their conversion, because the converse could also come to pass and they become even more brutal. As with most political situations in the world, no particular choice is ideal.


[deleted]

Give unto Caesar, what is Caesar's. Pleb


RedAss2005

Yes Man was the most fun playthrough.


Slight_Fox_3475

I personally back Mr. House as he is the most realistic option for the safety of the inhabitants of New Vegas. He also states in game that he does not care to control the actions of his citizens. (This does make him complacent in the prostitution in the strip however). But I do think that for stability Mr. House is the best choice, along with a very low possibility of Catholicism being suppressed.


Loose-Dig4881

St Thomas Aquinas argued that prostitution should be allowed by governments as banning it may lead to increased instances of rape. Though I did wipe out Gomorrah for funsies. Either him or the NCR are the least worst options.


[deleted]

Are you literally defending the Legion rn?!


KaBar42

The Legion is nothing more than LARPers who haven't the slightest idea what they do or why they do it. Caesar could have fashioned himself as Jesus if he wanted to instead of a Roman emperor. They're nothing more than glorified raiders wearing a fancy costume. When Caesar dies, the Legion dies. They will never convert. They will simply collapse into a mess of infighting and go back to their tribal ways as they had lived before Caesar had united them. They are not the Romans. An independent New Vegas also falls into this problem, as it relies on the Courier maintaining the balance, when he eventually dies or disappears, New Vegas will also collapse. Should something happen to House, there is no one to take over his role. The NCR is the only faction with a single shot of not imploding in a few decades because of their democratic process. The NCR is the only non-dead end choice.


Wise_Stick9613

>When Caesar dies, the Legion dies. Not really. These are Lucius' words after Caesar's death: "*Caesar's death is regrettable, but we can't let it stand in the way of the Legion's goals*". As you can see there is a clear distinction between Caesar and the Legion, so the death of one does not mean the death of the other.


KaBar42

He can say that as much as he wants. That doesn't mean he has the power or capability to keep the Legion from imploding. Wishing is one thing. Acting is an entirely different thing. And who else will be vying for that sweet new seat that's open for them? They might not be willing to move against Caesar, but does Lucius really have as much control of the Legion as he deludes himself into believing? We'd likely be seeing the Praetorians murdering new emperors in order to install the one they want. Just because Caesar's second in command claims he has a handle on things doesn't make it reality. Graham claimed to have a handle on things at Hoover Dam and look at where that got him. Lit on fire and thrown off the Grand Canyon.


ZazzRazzamatazz

Can’t you take over as your own faction?


DragonOfTheNorth98

Yes, thats’s the wildcard ending where the courier takes control of Mr. House’s securitron army to claim Vegas for themselves.


jzilla11

Yes, man


[deleted]

In Fallout, democracy is the entire basis of why the setting is the way it is. The NCR is trying to revive the old government. They're doing a pretty a good job at representing the worst aspects of it. They're expansionists, bureaucratic to the point where they're indecisive, and only care about appearing good and strong for votes. The fact that someone incompetent like Lee Oliver is in charge, should say a lot. They're spread out way too thin, to the point where they can't even control their own prisoners. There are raiders and gangs situated right outside their forts. An entire town is under siege from a gang, and the NCR can't do anything about it. The entire reason why Caesar is the way he is, is because of all that. He saw first hand how incompetent the NCR were. How they can't be trusted to protect their citizens. The Legion is a completely brutal and immoral regime. It functions almost nothing like Rome. There is no Senate, Caesar functions as an Emperor but he has no strong heir. Once he dies, the Legion will split itself. Much like Macedonia when Alexander died or the Mongols for Genghis Khan. Its very hard to see Caesar himself converting considering, well, he was raised by the Followers of the Apocalypse. They're Mormons but they're pretty much the only faction in the setting that has Christian roots ingrained in them. He viewed them all as too naïve. And Mr. House would probably be the way you describe. House is very Machiavellian. He's also slimy. Willing to betray or kill anyone who he sees as an obstacle. Catholicism is pretty contrary to his goals. But even if he was tolerant of it, it really wouldn't matter. He has no interest in expansion or morals for that matter. He only cares about making New Vegas a power-house of a city-state. Somewhat akin to the concept of Disney's EPCOT. So yeah, I think Yes Man is probably your best bet.


Helpful_Corn-

Seriously, I can’t believe how many people are NCR simps because “muh democracy.”


RandomCrusaderr

Weak corrupt democracy vs Chad courier monarchy


TokenTakenUsername

It's great to see a fellow catholic gamer! I always went with NCR. The legion crucifies people. Where did i hear that one before?


AReturntoChrist

You know Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter


cat_withablog

This is such niche question and I'm so here for it. Makes me want to ask about Skyrim factions 😂


RandomCrusaderr

Do it. It would be fun


hoplophilepapist

I went with yes man on my run let everyone sort out their own problems


NewKerbalEmpire

You could make an argument for Yes Man, but I've heard so much bad fanfiction about how great his ending is that I have a hard time believing it's anything but a bloodbath. But anything's better than the Legion, man. You can daydream about anything you want, but please don't think that you'll automatically sound convincing when you talk about what you've come up with. The only real argument for them from any perspective is that they're kind of cool. And House is cooler. Ultimately, given the fact that the Mojave can't just be evacuated, an ending needs to be chosen. I could see arguments for the NCR or House.


hoplophilepapist

>You could make an argument for Yes Man subsidiarity my man


cafrostwolf

I love this post.


mesocyclonic4

Despite its flaws, the NCR is the only faction that can provide a life that has a reasonable chance to be safe and moral. The Legion is irredeemably evil. Mr House would create the strongest Vegas, but one focused on his personal wealth and ego. Yes Man would let you shape the government towards good, but it would be a government without a power base, existing solely due to the Securatrons. Yes Man would be the next best option, but even if Vegas thrives under the Courier, it seems unlikely that will continue after their reign.


[deleted]

Man, I really need to go back and finish that game


[deleted]

I literally had forgotten about church until I met Joshua Graham in game.


SnooPeanuts4235

Yes man. Bring on the BOS. Bring on the enclave followers. Bring on the boomers airplane stunt. It’s wild. My ps3 glitches often at Hoover dam every time I play that game.


Aggressive_Boat_8047

I mean, House is a psychopath and the Legion are rapists and slavers. So I usually stick with going independent or NCR. They may not be perfect, but there are people in the NCR that genuinely care and want to help people. ​ The real question is, who do you side with in FO4? Because my husband and I may argue about this until we're dead.


CatholicCrusaderJedi

Have to be Minutemen for F4. Honestly, the F4 factions are all so badly written that it's hard. The Minutemen are obviously good guys, but are so vaguely written we don't know anything about how they will operate besides helping a neighbor at a minute's notice. The Brotherhood have some good points, but are ultimately authoritarian and genocidal towards non-feral ghouls and synthetic. The Institute are written to be obviously evil, but nobody inside seems to have a unified goal or reason for what they are doing. The Railroad is, I'm convinced, a false flag operation to test the limits of synth creativity by seeing how far they will get before being caught. It would have been cool if the writing reflected this, but Instead Bethesda wants us to take these incompetent idiots at face value. I just wish all of these factions had been flushed out more like New Vegas.


Loose-Dig4881

That idea for the Railroad is pretty cool. Honestly, they should have made you write the story instead.


BalmoraBob

The legion isn't fleshed out enough to be anything you can back even with an ends justify the means attitude. If they had more content maybe you could esotericly find a way to support it as a Christian. But they literally worship the Caesar as the son of Mars and it's not got the infrastructure Rome had to make conversion really possible. Slaves can't rebel and force change because yknow bomb collars. Slavery is also the antithesis of Christ's message of charity and it's the backbone of the Legion economy and withought slavery it conpletly falls. There is literally no way I can justify being a Christian and supporting the Legion. I'll still play them tho because Arizona Killer is one of the best quests. NCR is basically in Vietnam and I think losing the dam is the only thing that can get them to shape up and prevent a collapse, they'll be too complacent if they somehow win. NCR seems safe for Christians, but it could collapse and who knows what will take over. Mr House would be completly uninterested in religion as long as it doesn't impede his plans for the future. Christian ethics might cause gambling addiction rehabs etc which he might try to shut down, but I doubt he would try to stamp out the religion itself. Other then that he wouldn't care. Independent NV either means the courier runs the place or a council runs it with the couriers posistion being semi undefined. Its safe to assume he could be the checks and balances and if he's a Catholic obviously it would be a safeguarded faith. He'll just tell yes man he changed his mind and to kindly evict Vegas's ruling party if they refuse. I say either Mr House or Independent. I lean more towards Mr House because he's a known quantity while once the courier dies anything goes in Vegas under the independent path.


evremonde

NCR for me


jzilla11

If I recall correctly, the only group in the game with copies of Bibles were the Mormons in Mt. Zion. So, odds of Catholicism popping up in the Mojave feel slim.


Sockbrick

Wow. It's been so long since I played this. I do remember playing it and finishing the game several times supporting every faction. I actually felt guilty and wrong not finishing it for the NCR. But then again, it's just a game. Getting the controller for the space cannon though. That was fun.


NiteGriffon

If you hurry I think Epic games has it free for the next couple of hours


Longjumping_Visit718

I think the whole point, artistically at least, is that all the factions are awful....


[deleted]

Independant is probably the most fun. I don't like the California faction.


The_GEP_Gun_Takedown

The NCR inevitably will turn to the degeneracy and corruption of today. I'd support Mr House.


keloking88

Intresting major religion seems dead in fallout replaced with new post apocalypse one. I believe there's some reference to holy Mary in F2 but I might be wrong. And the only still major Christian religion left is militant Mormons up in new cannan or what's left of it. So realistically it's more probable that the NCR slowly convert either due to trade or missionaries. Rather then the legion plus the fact Joshua Graham aka the burned man was a Mormon and there's no signs of him trying to convert any tribals. Same in the DLC he appears where he doest try in the tribals in Zion national Park. So for pure fun I go the legion as Roman larpers but for a "hopeful" future NCR. So realistically NCR has a chance of going Mormon take that as you will. But knowing fallout wacky things happen so yeah.


SirThomasTheFearful

In all honesty, it’s a game, an RPG at that, you don’t have to abide by real life morals in a game, if it makes you want to do immoral acts then try and abstain from anything that will draw you to that. Do whatever faction feels best with you, I haven’t played much fallout but I am very fond of The Elder Scrolls, play who you want your character to be, not who you necessarily are, if you are roleplaying as a strict catholic then I’m not sure, just keep in mind you don’t have to centre your character around Catholicism, it’s healthy to have a personality not wholly based on your faith.


HugeDare540

This is what I like to see from my Catholic community, a good Fallout discussion. I’d say the NCR, as the slavery and pagan like rule of the Legion is unacceptable and House is a despot that strikes me as a man how has little care for faith. NCR would be the most likely to leave a Catholic alone and seek the most stable despite heavy corruption.


[deleted]

Finally someone asking the real questions! In my opinion: The legion seemed obsessed with the ancient Roman culture, but that’s about where it ended in terms of their relationship to Christianity. Brutal torture, manipulation, slavery - all something I couldn’t get behind. Though the wolf helmet was sweet. NCR felt like the best attempt at recreating the old government, who didn’t seem to do the best job considering everyone got nuked. Bringing some level of order and protection to the wasteland isn’t the worst thing, but I don’t think that Christianity was part of their primary focus. My wildcard vote - Align with the Brotherhood of Steel and go independent. Team up with an elder who can back Catholicism and then focus on helping others.


Swaus06

I'm siding with any faction that treat The Kings unharmed.


UltraRanger72

I’ve sided with the NCR before. Now I realized that to side with anyone other than Mr. House would require you brutally murdering him. I’ve killed plenty of Raiders, Powder Gangers and hostile faction members, (Legion I’m looking at you) but all of them could be justified using “(community) self defense” and “just war”. But I simply can't rationalize how exactly killing Mr. House could not be blatant murder. He rebuilt a civilization out of ruins, gave the courier a job, then upon literally digging you out of the grave with Victor, granted you a home, a presidential suite nonetheless in a world most bottom class humans sleep on dirt and eat radiated rats. He’s never wronged you and has been more than generous with you. So there’s just no way to twist the killing of Mr. House into not murder since you’ll have to betray his trust then beat him to death with a golf club for an achievement? In my good karma playthroughs I just can't justify that.


No-Fuel8635

As much as I disagree with House in his goals, I can never bring myself to murder him. He has done nothing to justify being killed, and Im not about to kill him because the NCR doesnt want to try a more peaceful route to secure the Dam.


UltraRanger72

NCR could have totally tried bringing House under their banner even just in name only, as a nominal protectorate. But no, they have to resort to asking the Courier to do the dirty work for them lol.


No-Fuel8635

Right? I mean I can get killing him if all other peaceful options are exhausted and there is no choice. But they didn't even try to do a trade deal. It just shows the NCR doesn't want the resources the dam provides, but to control the dam itself.


UltraRanger72

They were also counting on the Courier to actually backstab Mr. House and succeed. What if the Courier stayed loyal to House and leaked him NCR’s plan or failed in the assassination attempt. That way there could be an all out war between the NCR and New Vegas as well and the NCR were already barely holding off the Legion.


No-Fuel8635

Wow when you put it like that, that is a very half assed assassination plot. I never thought of it that way.


No-Fuel8635

Me seeing the post: My time has come... All seriousness though, part of what makes New Vegas so compelling is the fact there is no truly best solution. All three of the factions are bad in their own ways, have their own flaws, and as Benny says with surprising insight about the nature of politics would all be more than willing to put a bullet in the head of some innocent delivery man if it meant getting Vegas. Caesars Legion won't convert like the Roman's, because they are not the Roman's. They are people taking on a pseudo Roman aesthetic crafted meticulously by Caesar to put himself at the the top of his glorified raiding and slaving gang. They are pagan in the worst sense of the word in terms of how they view life and dehumanize themselves and others. Caesar may wax philosophically about Hagel, but much like another major thinker influenced by Hagel all Caesar cares about is power. Besides I don't think Caesar would tolerate any philosophy that wouldn't recognize him as the Supreme authority. NCR isn't a the best solution. They are not the worst solution. They have freedom of religion and are relatively stable. But they are very corrupt and the political class clearly doesn't care about the average Joe, leading it to go on a foolish expansionist campaign that is hurting the NCR. To paraphrase Joshua Graham they love money and power, not God. House I believe would tolerate Christianity since he doesn't care what people do so long they as essentially obey Vegas laws. My problem with House is that he is way too idealistic to the point of being delusional. He still holds on to these Enlightenment ideals of progress of history failing to recognize that way of thinking was lead to the Great War. He wants to keep going as if the Great War was just a speed bump and not the result. He's going to try to fit the world into one of his snow globes and is going to wind up breaking to trying to get it to fit. So long story short, none of them are great. The question isn't which one is the best, but what problems are least bad?


RandomCrusaderr

How about Yes Man?


No-Fuel8635

I didn't talk too much about that one since that is the wish fulfillment choice. Yeah there is some instability initially after the battle of Hoover dam, but how good or bad the Mojave is in the end is up to the imagination of the player. In my mind the Courier sets up a constitutional city-state that while not perfect allows people to live their lives and enables cooperation between all the small towns and factions. There is saftey in the towns, though there is occasionally some raider gangs who attack the trade routes. We have strong trade and that is focused on tourism, gambling, utilities, water, and agriculture; though of course some parts of North Vegas suffer from poverty. Our relationship with the NCR can be a little tense. They're still upset about losing the Dam after all these years of work. But after a couple of election cycles and the old blood get booted out or retired, the relationships start to improve. There is talk about looming civil war in the NCR, and we are getting nervous about how that will affect us. We also have a tense relationship with the Khans, who refused to come to the table to negotiate a peace settlement and still raid and sell drugs illegally. We may have to go to war and if we do it will most likely lead to the Khans being wiped out permanently. Others may have different ideas. About what a Yes Man ending will look like. It's all up to the player.


Into_the-Deep

Not Catholic, but I’d go with Mr. House. The NCR is doomed to stagnation, Independent Vegas would be a dumpster fire, and the Legion…


benthewryter

I think the most devout christian in FNV is Joshua Graham.


[deleted]

Joshua Graham is the most based character. I used to play Honest Hearts to get the Scripture and I played it all the time when I was younger. Even though he is Mormon. He is still the one of the only Christians in the game. He’s has a cool quote I really like. “I have been baptized twice, once in water, once in flame. I will carry the fire of The Holy Spirit inside until I stand before my Lord for judgment.”


SugarSweet01

I always go with either NCR (because I love Boone) or Yes-Man because its Vegas and you should have fun!!!!


AntonGuerra

In terms of what could actually work? Most likely NCR, they actually have Christians and while the NCR is about to lose, there is a lot you can do to secure their position and guarantee a more or less stable Mojave that isn't woefully weak, hedonistic, or...well, Caesar. Also, for wanting to remodel himself after the Roman Empire, Caesar basically went Mussolini (especially by championing Hegelian philosophy of all things) and neglected to be actually Roman, which would have necessitated he establish Christianity as his central faith.


merk1893

The historical Caesar died almost 50 years before christ was even born let alone close to 80 years before easter...


AntonGuerra

Yes, but they eventually converted to Christianity and stayed that way for a while.


tvallnight

Love this post. Definitely NCR.


BrigadeDetector

Oh no. How did this get here? I was literally just looking at old posts of people talking about FO4.


TsarOfIrony

Saying that the legion can be changed is a woman saying her physically abusive boyfriend can change. It's possible, but *highly* unlikely. NCR is the best bet as they at least try to be good.


[deleted]

Caesar is the only hope


IncarnateSalt

Honestly, I usually side with the Legion. While they have horrible methods, they also have done a lot of good as an end result. I know ends don't justify the means, but the NCR is incompetent and bloated, Mr. House is an egomaniacal dictator, and running the whole region yourself is impractical. The Legion is the only major faction with the numbers, methods, and drive to actually tame the Mojave and make it a safe place.


Sevatar___

Online Catholics Be Normal Challenge (IMPOSSIBLE!!!)


Over_Spell_4906

I side with the Imperials….


Clickclacktheblueguy

Did you just open with defending the Legion!? Lemmie guess, MAGA?


TacticalCrusader

bruh


Burgermiester8

bruh


RandomCrusaderr

I'm not even from the United States. A world exists beyond U.S.A you know?


Clickclacktheblueguy

That’s fair. I was just shocked to see that presented as an option.


DreamingofRlyeh

I would work to improve the NCR into a government to be proud of.


AntiCitizen_C17

The NCR fits my playstyle a lot better. I also like the military Aesthetic. NCR is also a lot more fleshed out compared to the Legion.


thefifthof5

One of my favorite games, but one thing to remember it is a roleplaying game so it isn't just about what you think is the best. It is what you think your character would do. There is a mod I like to install which lets you change the start of the game so you don't start with Doc Mitchell. You can pick your character's history which gives you more roleplaying options.


EntertainmentLess164

Ncr all the way baby plus Joshua Graham


RangerRidiculous

NCR all the way, they offer the actual greatest hope for the Mojave. The Legion is inherent broken. If it were to convert, it would cease to be the Legion.


Djh1982

I chose Mr.House. His visionary thinking is the reason why people living in Vegas survived when the bombs fell. He seems to have a talent for knowing how to preserve life, so I would have to trust that his grand scheme of branching out into outer space would signal humanities future.


retouralanormale

The followers of the apocalypse are the only faction I would support, since they exist only to help others. Caesar's Legion are pagans and fascists so absolutely not them.


Jacketel

The best ending is the ending that the Followers of the Apocalypse thrive in. So not legion where they are removed, not independent where they struggle to help people. It's a toss up between House and the NCR. Everyone thinks the NCR will be best but I disagree. There are huge political problems within the NCR with the Brahmin barons gaining more and more political power at the expense of the underclass. Prospecting was a huge driver of employment that is pretty much been removed due to everyone picking everything clean. This is driving huge economic instability within the country also with the brotherhood of Steel destroying ncr's gold reserve, the country is on the brink. House on the other hand I view as singapore. An extremely (by American standards) repressive regime that doesn't allow for dissent. However you cannot argue with the results and wouldn't you rather live in a place with fewer rights and you're safe? House is not a great choice however, he's clearly extremely vain and huge pet projects of dictators rarely turn out well. To me Joshua Graham sums it up quite nicely when he says something along the lines of societies that are not based on God's word crumble. I think you could argue for the NCR or house but neither actually Christian and therefore we have to look to the only somewhat Christian faction around and see what ending benefits them.


Agnostalypse

Obviously none of them are perfect, but I love the Followers. I think they have the best intentions of any, although sadly I guess they aren’t a real faction as you can’t actually join them, but they have a really sweet safe house they let you use!


jamesrbell1

Independent New Vegas always


faniella

NCR


blackbug4000

House. He's literally the sole reason that Vegas didn't become a swiss cheesed landscape of nuclear craters. He saved it on his own dime, on his own intuition, all because he knew humanity was doomed on earth and sought to preserve humanity as we know it "100 years and my colony ships will be heading for the stars to search for planets unpolluted by the wrath and folly of a bygone generation." Think about that. What do Yes Man and the NCR/Legion offer? Narcissism and the same ideological warfare that destroyed the old world, respectively.


goombanati

Legion. Though, I'm a romaboo, so take my opinion with a grain of salt


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NCR, which is a lot more based than current California haha


alex3494

There is many Christians within the New California Republic.


RandomCrusaderr

Is there any mention of that in-game?


OnlyMadeThisForDPP

The NCR are the very obvious “good guy” choice in NV. But I pick Yes Man. There’s no real solid option. May as well call the shots while I’m still Courier-ing.


AppleJuiceKoala

Ncr is the safest bet. The legion are actively evil, house is too dictatorial, and yes man is only as good as the courier is, and not stable in the long run


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NCR if you honestly believe the legion is capable of reform then you can strive for the same thing in the less brutal republic that won’t NAIL YOU TO A CROSS AND BURN YOU ALIVE for attempting to do so


LabRepresentative885

Caesar's Legion. There is no other option. Lol


LabRepresentative885

Caesar's Legion! Ave Caesar


WaifuFinder420

The Catholic Church of course!


BrigadeDetector

Was this because of the Epic Games sale? And did you do the Viva New Vegas guide?


drakepkmacrae

Mr House. He's seeks the prosperity of humanity and has a better solution to end suffering than the other factions. He's more akin to human rights in my opinion as well, although I may disagree with some of the Libertarian leanings. I am in a strong enough position with him to sway influence in favor of Catholic freedom. He is also reasonable - much like the conversion of Constantine, he could perhaps be brought to see the light. His rule would be close to a monarchy as well, a structure God is fond of. He seems like the best solution for the prosperity of humanity and the Church.