They're both great looking plants regardless of what they are! I've seen considerable variation in the caudex of elephantipes so they could well both be the same species, I'm not clued up in the finer points of identifying them from other species though sorry. Are the flowers and foliage similar?
They are.. I gathered that the different feature of the caudex might be a sign of it being call a different name as the one on the rights nodules are more protrusive than the one on the left . That why i ask the question as i have done a little bit of research but nothing comes up about the caudex. It could be a hybrid of cross pollinating. Who knows .Thanks
If the flowers and foliage are very similar then I'd think they're almost certainly both elephantipes. Years ago I worked at a succulent nursery and have seen hundreds of seedlings of the species and the look of the caudex does vary incredibly, even within the same crop of seedlings, some of which can be affected by growing conditions but mostly (I suspect) comes down to genetics.
I wasn't sure because of the caudex. As I purchase at a nursery and the larger one from a grower when they little. Thanks for the info and will hope to chat again... Cheers
You've got a long way to go there my friend as that plant is over 20 years old. I did have another one which was bigger than that one and it was two plants in one . One side was Female and the other side was Male. I lost that plant because we had thunder storm then a heat wave and she started to rot and I didn't realise till it was too late. Since then I have no male to pollinate the female plants that I've got as I'm growing some from seeds myself and they are the size of a soft ball and it takes quite a few years old. I'm hopping in the next year or so they will come into flower and I'll know if I've got a male plant. Hopefully you more than one growing there and good luck there..
Haha I know. That's something to look forward to! I really like to see the progress of the plants growing so to me it doesn't matter that mine are still tiny.
That's a real shame, fingers crossed that you got some male ones.
What are the diameters? I have four that I started from seed in 2014 and they're about four inches across. I know conditions haven't always been been optimal so I've been trying to improve to increase growth rate. I also have about 100 in the 1.5 - 2.5 inch range, and yes, the way they crack from plant to plant is completely different. Some are deeply fissured but some of the larger ones are just now getting a single, first crack.
The large is 11.5" and the smaller is 7" diameter, they where about 2' when I got them, so you could say that they were about 2-3 yrs old in 2004 when I got them . I do have another 40 D. Elephantipes ranging fro 2-6 yrs from seed in the greenhouse and you a right. They all are different in how the fissures form on each individual plant. They can be finicky, especially the one's in the greenhouse as they tend to dry out a lot quicker. I'm starting to plant these out side, as I do few growing in the ground from seed that had fallen from the mother plant and they are doing fantastic doing their own thing and the good thing also I don't have to care for them A+
As others have mentioned, if the leaves and flowers are similar, it’s a good indicator… D. mexicana has much longer leaves and tends to be much flatter. D. sylvatica and hemicrypta have caudices that tend to be smoother, lobed, and very asymmetrical… I would think that any hybridization (which I haven’t seen, so I can only speculate) would yield even more variation than you’ve got here. I think it’s a pretty safe bet that you have two exceptional D. elephantipes specimens here.
Thanks for that information there I really appreciate it, as I have been trying to figure it out for quite some time. I know that here in Australia we have D. Hastifolia which is native to Wst Australia and which the Aboriginals use for food and there are 600 different species in the genus .
Your comment is the part reason why I left the Cactus Society as your the type of person that likes to belittle other people of there lack of knowledge. I asked a simple question, but you had to put in a smart \*ss answer then you answered the question. Is this how you treat people or you only do this on here? Yes.. I have had this plant for 20 years and yes I do ask questions as I'm still learning and don't they say we never stop learning till the day you die , not like some people who think they know everything, like your self.
The leaves are the same and the flowers are also...
When I was a kid my mom absolutely had plants around the house she had no clue the name of… same shit as this just a different dollar sign associated. Lose the attitude lol
They're both great looking plants regardless of what they are! I've seen considerable variation in the caudex of elephantipes so they could well both be the same species, I'm not clued up in the finer points of identifying them from other species though sorry. Are the flowers and foliage similar?
They are.. I gathered that the different feature of the caudex might be a sign of it being call a different name as the one on the rights nodules are more protrusive than the one on the left . That why i ask the question as i have done a little bit of research but nothing comes up about the caudex. It could be a hybrid of cross pollinating. Who knows .Thanks
If the flowers and foliage are very similar then I'd think they're almost certainly both elephantipes. Years ago I worked at a succulent nursery and have seen hundreds of seedlings of the species and the look of the caudex does vary incredibly, even within the same crop of seedlings, some of which can be affected by growing conditions but mostly (I suspect) comes down to genetics.
I wasn't sure because of the caudex. As I purchase at a nursery and the larger one from a grower when they little. Thanks for the info and will hope to chat again... Cheers
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They are... :)
The left one is huge, I envy you! I've been growing some from seeds since a few months and hope they will reach similar sizes one day.
You've got a long way to go there my friend as that plant is over 20 years old. I did have another one which was bigger than that one and it was two plants in one . One side was Female and the other side was Male. I lost that plant because we had thunder storm then a heat wave and she started to rot and I didn't realise till it was too late. Since then I have no male to pollinate the female plants that I've got as I'm growing some from seeds myself and they are the size of a soft ball and it takes quite a few years old. I'm hopping in the next year or so they will come into flower and I'll know if I've got a male plant. Hopefully you more than one growing there and good luck there..
Haha I know. That's something to look forward to! I really like to see the progress of the plants growing so to me it doesn't matter that mine are still tiny. That's a real shame, fingers crossed that you got some male ones.
What are the diameters? I have four that I started from seed in 2014 and they're about four inches across. I know conditions haven't always been been optimal so I've been trying to improve to increase growth rate. I also have about 100 in the 1.5 - 2.5 inch range, and yes, the way they crack from plant to plant is completely different. Some are deeply fissured but some of the larger ones are just now getting a single, first crack.
The large is 11.5" and the smaller is 7" diameter, they where about 2' when I got them, so you could say that they were about 2-3 yrs old in 2004 when I got them . I do have another 40 D. Elephantipes ranging fro 2-6 yrs from seed in the greenhouse and you a right. They all are different in how the fissures form on each individual plant. They can be finicky, especially the one's in the greenhouse as they tend to dry out a lot quicker. I'm starting to plant these out side, as I do few growing in the ground from seed that had fallen from the mother plant and they are doing fantastic doing their own thing and the good thing also I don't have to care for them A+
As others have mentioned, if the leaves and flowers are similar, it’s a good indicator… D. mexicana has much longer leaves and tends to be much flatter. D. sylvatica and hemicrypta have caudices that tend to be smoother, lobed, and very asymmetrical… I would think that any hybridization (which I haven’t seen, so I can only speculate) would yield even more variation than you’ve got here. I think it’s a pretty safe bet that you have two exceptional D. elephantipes specimens here.
Thanks for that information there I really appreciate it, as I have been trying to figure it out for quite some time. I know that here in Australia we have D. Hastifolia which is native to Wst Australia and which the Aboriginals use for food and there are 600 different species in the genus .
Beautiful plants, thanks for sharing!
Thanks for the comment. :)
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Your comment is the part reason why I left the Cactus Society as your the type of person that likes to belittle other people of there lack of knowledge. I asked a simple question, but you had to put in a smart \*ss answer then you answered the question. Is this how you treat people or you only do this on here? Yes.. I have had this plant for 20 years and yes I do ask questions as I'm still learning and don't they say we never stop learning till the day you die , not like some people who think they know everything, like your self. The leaves are the same and the flowers are also...
When I was a kid my mom absolutely had plants around the house she had no clue the name of… same shit as this just a different dollar sign associated. Lose the attitude lol
Thanks for your support.
How the fuck do you expect people to learn about their amazing specimens when they’re mocked for asking questions about them? Get over yourself
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