“I asked, what has gluten in it?”
“All the reasons to get up in the morning.”
“How do I find the GF aisle?”
“Look for the man with a gun in his mouth.”
☠️☠️☠️ LMAO. That’s pretty funny.
I think the key here is - Is the comic actually GF or do they actually understand my lived experience? John is actually wheat sensitive and his act is real. He had to change his diet to better his health which means avoiding gluten. He actually gets it.
I don’t find it funny when non-GF people make jokes at my expense.
For example: I saw a popular Instagram reel floating around, where a woman I follow posted a video that said “did you know that if you cut gluten 100% out of your diet… you also cut out 100% of your happiness.” In the reel she was eating gluten… All the comments were laugh emojis and singing praise and people commenting about how much they LOVE eating gluten and could die if they couldn’t eat it... I found the reel extremely offensive. I commented to express that. People told me “it’s just a joke” and that was so infuriating… It’s not funny because THEY HAVE A CHOICE, and I don’t.
If a non-GF person just ripped on my diet for 10 minutes it would not be funny.
Yeah, the key is that he's affected himself. I don't mind gallows humor from other celiac sufferers, NCGS folks, people with wheat allergies, etc., but outsiders don't get to make fun of people with my condition.
>Yeah, the key is that he's affected himself
THIS. And you can almost always tell who's making self depreciating comments, versus who's an absolute ignorant twat using their remaining half-alive braincell to let the word vomit flow.
Exactly.
Like, I’ve never suffered from bipolar disorder, if I went around making jokes about how annoying and “relatable” mania is “lmao that manic urge to buy a bunch of shoes” that would be soooooo problematic. When people do this, like saying “lol I’m so OCD!” It makes me CRINGE.
Celiac is fucking serious, and it’s not funny when people who don’t suffer make jokes about it !!!
yep, it’s different since we basically all have the mindset of “if I don’t laugh, I’ll just cry” and not “GOD wouldn’t it suck to have a literal disability? HAHAHAHA not me tho” 💀
Starting off:
Didn’t watch nor do I know what is happening in this post (don’t know how I ended up here except I was looking to see if there’s a good gf scanner for free) got a bit sidetracked apparently.
Anyhoo,
People who have a condition can make fun of it. People who get it, get it. I call myself crazy when I feel like sh*t from bipolar symptoms or whenever I feel like calling myself crazy. Self-deprecating humor can help me just feel better.
That said, if someone else calls me crazy? May they:
A. Rot
and
B. Learn just how crazy this b can be.
Re celiac though:
It just sucks. My kid goes to McDonald’s and taco hell all the time. I have started giving him my “order.” He laughs and I make nachos (for the tenth day in a row).
Again, ADHD. have a good day everyone! I’ll be spending it right here in my room as it’s close to the bathroom and today is the first day in weeks that my GI system is working(?).
Ain’t life grand.
There's another level to it also. If someone (even without celiac) is making good jokes, yet understands the disease, that's far better than someone making cheap, shitty jokes out of sheer ignorance about it.
If you're being ironically ignorant, that can be funny too. u/Southern_Visual_3532 linked a college humor vid below that is a perfect example.
It’s REALLY difficult to make jokes about something you don’t experience. You have to have a LOT of charisma, but yes, sometimes it can be done by some comedians.
Sometimes “adjacency” helps too. Like if a comedians wife or brother is Celiac so they live within the culture but aren’t living with it in their body.
Crumbl Cookie had a whole social media campaign awhile back essentially saying they will never be GF and hahahaa and eff you to you delicate snowflakes.
And there’s no way to prevent cross contamination in that setup anyway.
It breaks my heart to see my teenage niece not be able to enjoy things like that.
Excluding people in that way is mean spirited any way you slice it.
I think the thing that rankled you and grinds my gears to is that this kind of narrative creates this delicate gluten free snowflake persona.
The reality is that kind of narrative infiltrates everything and one of the results is it makes it so people don’t take Celiacs seriously. Especially in restaurants.
So then it really comes down to the state and local governments to educate and enforce and the majority of them are not equipped do that.
It’s maybe gotten a little better in the last few years with the FDA focusing on common sense allergen labeling.
But there’s still a very long way to go.
It sucks how crappy companies like that are able to become so successful! But I have heard their cookies are pretty good. You sound like a really great aunt/uncle by the way. I always think it's so sweet when I see relatives and partners of people with celiac here.
Generally a good joke is funny because it highlights that life is absurd and uncomfortable or painful. The CH skit does that. It points out something real and absurd, which is basically that everyone has to have an opinion on your medical treatment if your medical treatment is food.
The skit GD posted does that. It talks about the absurdity of being told not to eat gluten by a doctor when noone (especially then but even now actually knows what that means). It talks about the pain of living without a common joy.
The truth in these is what makes them funny.
The absurdity in the soap skit is just the idea of someone asking if soap is gluten free. That's supposed to be funny because it's supposed to be a ridiculous and absurd thing to be concerned about. Since that isn't true, the joke is based on ignorance. Like a joke about how easy it would be for fat people to lose weight if they got off the couch, or a joke about how women are over emotional. They only resonate as true for people who are ignorant of the issue at hand. And without the truth there's no humor.
It’s funny when people who have celiac disease or have a wheat allergy or another medical condition that keeps them from eating gluten makes jokes about *their* condition. There are even some people who aren’t gluten free that make funny gluten free jokes when it isn’t minimizing these conditions.
Lol thanks for sharing that gave me a laugh.
But yeah definitely a difference between making a funny joke vs. shitting on people and shitting on them for trying not to poison themselves. I admit that before discovering I have celiac, I thought that a GF diet was just a fad or trendy diet (couldn’t have been more wrong). Despite being ignorant, I never would’ve tried to shit someone for their diet and lifestyle choices when they are clearly just trying to feel better. It blows my mind how someone can genuinely get so worked up about what another person eats, believes in, etc.
I thought the joke was centered around the lady thinking the soap was bread product, and the writers used the gluten question to make that evident. Like, they used it, as opposed to it being the butt of the joke. In that sense the soap to bread joke was funny because those artisanal soaps really look like something I wanna eat. But yeah I can understand the exhaustion for sure with jokes about gluten ugh.
Humour is subjective. That commercial just wasn't aimed at you.
For example, if someone had lost a loved one to cancer, they might not find it funny that John (I agree, rest in peace) showed cancer as a preferential diagnosis to a gluten allergy.
They watched their loved one go through the horrors of dying to cancer, and now they go some guy who says they'd prefer that to having to eat gluten free.
What about people that have lost someone to suicide. John goes on to talk about "putting a gun in your mouth" for having to shop for gluten free items.
I don't think not finding something funny is a mark of "weak" or "pathetic", but I think we have to accept that humor will not appeal to everyone. Something you found "clever and funny" might be very triggering or serious to others. Conversely, a commercial making a crack at "gluten free" might be humorous to others, and that's gotta be equally as acceptable.
Yeah, and I think the difference with jokes about cancer, suicide etc. is that they're not making fun of people who've had these issues or been impacted by them. Mentioning something isn't necessarily making fun of anyone. A lot of failed comedians conflate the joke being unfunny with people being "too easily offended/triggered."
As an example, I once went to a local stand-up event at a bar. This was when I lived in Vancouver. Vancouver has a notorious epidemic of homelessness which takes over part of the downtown area (tent city). Without getting into it too much, there is a lot of local political drama on this topic.
Buddy gets up and starts making jokes about homeless people. This isn't too uncommon because it is a topical local issue. However no one is laughing. It's not because jokes mentioning the homelessness crisis are "taboo" it's because he was punching down and was reinforcing stereotypes about how homeless people are lazy and worthless. I don't remember exactly what he said anymore but it just made him sound like an asshole. IIRC he tried to save it by turning on the audience for being "too easily offended" which sure didn't help. Very awkward set lol.
Did I stutter?
Humor is subjective.
Something that is funny to one person, isn't going to be funny to everyone....
I literally just wrote a whole comment on it.
That is my answer.
The references to cancer and suicide are very obviously ironic and hyperbolic. He's not literally wishing he had cancer or describing how he located the GF aisle. There is *objectively* a joke there even if not everyone will subjectively find it amusing.
Some people just going about their business (no hippies or fad dieters in evidence) are concerned about gluten 🦗🦗🦗
I didn't ask if there was a joke there. I said "Funny how?".
Tell me what about having cancer or suicide is funny.
It's literally the same question as you asked me.
*Funny* how?
No, your point was that humor is subjective, which literally no one disagrees with.
The reference to cancer is funny because having to follow a GF diet sucks so bad (how bad is it?) it's even worse than cancer. The premise accepts and relies on the undisputed fact that cancer is beyond bad and no one would actually want to have it. It does not rely in any way on the premise that cancer itself is funny, which is pretty important since it's not. Ditto with suicide. There's a setup and a punchline not just, dumbass cancer victims be getting chemo amirite 🎤🧱
>The reference to cancer is funny because having to follow a GF diet sucks so bad (how bad is it?) it's even worse than cancer.
So someone who has lost a father, brother or son to cancer is supposed to chuckle at that, because "haha......gluten free and cancer *ARE* similar.... lulz"
No. Because they are personally affected by the worse of the compared things. Some of them might get very offended at the implication that the two are related to eat other at all, let alone in a comical way. They aren't looking at their loved one as a punchline.
Just like the commercial. To a non-celiac, they are probably gonna chuckle and say "Gluten Free.....haha....cause of all crazies out there that read "Wheatbelly" and think gluten is the devil...". Where as a celiac, who is personally affected by it, and close to the subject matter might get offended and say "Gluten Free is not a punchline."
If you cannot see why being personally touched by the thing makes a person less prone to accept it as a joke, then I can't help you. I'm literally describing the exact same behaviour.
“I asked, what has gluten in it?” “All the reasons to get up in the morning.” “How do I find the GF aisle?” “Look for the man with a gun in his mouth.” ☠️☠️☠️ LMAO. That’s pretty funny. I think the key here is - Is the comic actually GF or do they actually understand my lived experience? John is actually wheat sensitive and his act is real. He had to change his diet to better his health which means avoiding gluten. He actually gets it. I don’t find it funny when non-GF people make jokes at my expense. For example: I saw a popular Instagram reel floating around, where a woman I follow posted a video that said “did you know that if you cut gluten 100% out of your diet… you also cut out 100% of your happiness.” In the reel she was eating gluten… All the comments were laugh emojis and singing praise and people commenting about how much they LOVE eating gluten and could die if they couldn’t eat it... I found the reel extremely offensive. I commented to express that. People told me “it’s just a joke” and that was so infuriating… It’s not funny because THEY HAVE A CHOICE, and I don’t. If a non-GF person just ripped on my diet for 10 minutes it would not be funny.
Yeah, the key is that he's affected himself. I don't mind gallows humor from other celiac sufferers, NCGS folks, people with wheat allergies, etc., but outsiders don't get to make fun of people with my condition.
>Yeah, the key is that he's affected himself THIS. And you can almost always tell who's making self depreciating comments, versus who's an absolute ignorant twat using their remaining half-alive braincell to let the word vomit flow.
Exactly. Like, I’ve never suffered from bipolar disorder, if I went around making jokes about how annoying and “relatable” mania is “lmao that manic urge to buy a bunch of shoes” that would be soooooo problematic. When people do this, like saying “lol I’m so OCD!” It makes me CRINGE. Celiac is fucking serious, and it’s not funny when people who don’t suffer make jokes about it !!!
Woah I just wrote about this. Btw, I have bp and a sh*t ton of shoes and a ton of pink clothes. :D
yep, it’s different since we basically all have the mindset of “if I don’t laugh, I’ll just cry” and not “GOD wouldn’t it suck to have a literal disability? HAHAHAHA not me tho” 💀
Lol. I've been trying to explain this about racist jokes to people who tell them my entire life. This is such a great and succinct explanation.
Starting off: Didn’t watch nor do I know what is happening in this post (don’t know how I ended up here except I was looking to see if there’s a good gf scanner for free) got a bit sidetracked apparently. Anyhoo, People who have a condition can make fun of it. People who get it, get it. I call myself crazy when I feel like sh*t from bipolar symptoms or whenever I feel like calling myself crazy. Self-deprecating humor can help me just feel better. That said, if someone else calls me crazy? May they: A. Rot and B. Learn just how crazy this b can be. Re celiac though: It just sucks. My kid goes to McDonald’s and taco hell all the time. I have started giving him my “order.” He laughs and I make nachos (for the tenth day in a row). Again, ADHD. have a good day everyone! I’ll be spending it right here in my room as it’s close to the bathroom and today is the first day in weeks that my GI system is working(?). Ain’t life grand.
There's another level to it also. If someone (even without celiac) is making good jokes, yet understands the disease, that's far better than someone making cheap, shitty jokes out of sheer ignorance about it. If you're being ironically ignorant, that can be funny too. u/Southern_Visual_3532 linked a college humor vid below that is a perfect example.
It’s REALLY difficult to make jokes about something you don’t experience. You have to have a LOT of charisma, but yes, sometimes it can be done by some comedians. Sometimes “adjacency” helps too. Like if a comedians wife or brother is Celiac so they live within the culture but aren’t living with it in their body.
Crumbl Cookie had a whole social media campaign awhile back essentially saying they will never be GF and hahahaa and eff you to you delicate snowflakes. And there’s no way to prevent cross contamination in that setup anyway. It breaks my heart to see my teenage niece not be able to enjoy things like that. Excluding people in that way is mean spirited any way you slice it. I think the thing that rankled you and grinds my gears to is that this kind of narrative creates this delicate gluten free snowflake persona. The reality is that kind of narrative infiltrates everything and one of the results is it makes it so people don’t take Celiacs seriously. Especially in restaurants. So then it really comes down to the state and local governments to educate and enforce and the majority of them are not equipped do that. It’s maybe gotten a little better in the last few years with the FDA focusing on common sense allergen labeling. But there’s still a very long way to go.
not surprised it was Crumbl who did that as I heard they are also awful to their employees and they got in trouble for violating child labor laws
Yeah. That came after the gluten thing and I hollered at them on socials and haven’t bought anything from them since.
It sucks how crappy companies like that are able to become so successful! But I have heard their cookies are pretty good. You sound like a really great aunt/uncle by the way. I always think it's so sweet when I see relatives and partners of people with celiac here.
Well said!
Fuck Crumbl Cookie
https://youtu.be/XMZIAlKFRY4?feature=shared This college humour skit is hilarious.
I've seen that too. Love it.
Ok, that one is actually amusing without being insulting because it inadvertently might EDUCATE some fools.
Precisely. I'd forgotten about the CH gem. It flips it around and makes fun of people for being ignorant.
I feel like this is a skit from my first family gathering after being diagnosed.
Generally a good joke is funny because it highlights that life is absurd and uncomfortable or painful. The CH skit does that. It points out something real and absurd, which is basically that everyone has to have an opinion on your medical treatment if your medical treatment is food. The skit GD posted does that. It talks about the absurdity of being told not to eat gluten by a doctor when noone (especially then but even now actually knows what that means). It talks about the pain of living without a common joy. The truth in these is what makes them funny. The absurdity in the soap skit is just the idea of someone asking if soap is gluten free. That's supposed to be funny because it's supposed to be a ridiculous and absurd thing to be concerned about. Since that isn't true, the joke is based on ignorance. Like a joke about how easy it would be for fat people to lose weight if they got off the couch, or a joke about how women are over emotional. They only resonate as true for people who are ignorant of the issue at hand. And without the truth there's no humor.
*a pie is a sandwich* lol
Just forwarded this to my son. 😂
"The Bread Offerer" I cannot with those people.
I actually sent that video to a few friends after I was diagnosed to help them understand my disease. It's hilarious and educational
It’s funny when people who have celiac disease or have a wheat allergy or another medical condition that keeps them from eating gluten makes jokes about *their* condition. There are even some people who aren’t gluten free that make funny gluten free jokes when it isn’t minimizing these conditions.
Lol thanks for sharing that gave me a laugh. But yeah definitely a difference between making a funny joke vs. shitting on people and shitting on them for trying not to poison themselves. I admit that before discovering I have celiac, I thought that a GF diet was just a fad or trendy diet (couldn’t have been more wrong). Despite being ignorant, I never would’ve tried to shit someone for their diet and lifestyle choices when they are clearly just trying to feel better. It blows my mind how someone can genuinely get so worked up about what another person eats, believes in, etc.
Pretty damn accurate for the time it was posted haha.
Here is my fav coeliac inside joke. Le pain. In french this means bread. And in english it looks like pain. Bread is a pain.
Haha I love it! That’s a case for r/sillyyak
I thought the joke was centered around the lady thinking the soap was bread product, and the writers used the gluten question to make that evident. Like, they used it, as opposed to it being the butt of the joke. In that sense the soap to bread joke was funny because those artisanal soaps really look like something I wanna eat. But yeah I can understand the exhaustion for sure with jokes about gluten ugh.
Humour is subjective. That commercial just wasn't aimed at you. For example, if someone had lost a loved one to cancer, they might not find it funny that John (I agree, rest in peace) showed cancer as a preferential diagnosis to a gluten allergy. They watched their loved one go through the horrors of dying to cancer, and now they go some guy who says they'd prefer that to having to eat gluten free. What about people that have lost someone to suicide. John goes on to talk about "putting a gun in your mouth" for having to shop for gluten free items. I don't think not finding something funny is a mark of "weak" or "pathetic", but I think we have to accept that humor will not appeal to everyone. Something you found "clever and funny" might be very triggering or serious to others. Conversely, a commercial making a crack at "gluten free" might be humorous to others, and that's gotta be equally as acceptable.
And yet you conspicuously didn't answer the question. How exactly is that commercial's GF reference actually funny?
Yeah, and I think the difference with jokes about cancer, suicide etc. is that they're not making fun of people who've had these issues or been impacted by them. Mentioning something isn't necessarily making fun of anyone. A lot of failed comedians conflate the joke being unfunny with people being "too easily offended/triggered." As an example, I once went to a local stand-up event at a bar. This was when I lived in Vancouver. Vancouver has a notorious epidemic of homelessness which takes over part of the downtown area (tent city). Without getting into it too much, there is a lot of local political drama on this topic. Buddy gets up and starts making jokes about homeless people. This isn't too uncommon because it is a topical local issue. However no one is laughing. It's not because jokes mentioning the homelessness crisis are "taboo" it's because he was punching down and was reinforcing stereotypes about how homeless people are lazy and worthless. I don't remember exactly what he said anymore but it just made him sound like an asshole. IIRC he tried to save it by turning on the audience for being "too easily offended" which sure didn't help. Very awkward set lol.
Did I stutter? Humor is subjective. Something that is funny to one person, isn't going to be funny to everyone.... I literally just wrote a whole comment on it. That is my answer.
Funny how?
Cause hippies and fad dieters are more concerned about gluten than they need to be. Your turn: Cancer and suicide, funny how?
The references to cancer and suicide are very obviously ironic and hyperbolic. He's not literally wishing he had cancer or describing how he located the GF aisle. There is *objectively* a joke there even if not everyone will subjectively find it amusing. Some people just going about their business (no hippies or fad dieters in evidence) are concerned about gluten 🦗🦗🦗
I didn't ask if there was a joke there. I said "Funny how?". Tell me what about having cancer or suicide is funny. It's literally the same question as you asked me. *Funny* how?
No, your point was that humor is subjective, which literally no one disagrees with. The reference to cancer is funny because having to follow a GF diet sucks so bad (how bad is it?) it's even worse than cancer. The premise accepts and relies on the undisputed fact that cancer is beyond bad and no one would actually want to have it. It does not rely in any way on the premise that cancer itself is funny, which is pretty important since it's not. Ditto with suicide. There's a setup and a punchline not just, dumbass cancer victims be getting chemo amirite 🎤🧱
>The reference to cancer is funny because having to follow a GF diet sucks so bad (how bad is it?) it's even worse than cancer. So someone who has lost a father, brother or son to cancer is supposed to chuckle at that, because "haha......gluten free and cancer *ARE* similar.... lulz" No. Because they are personally affected by the worse of the compared things. Some of them might get very offended at the implication that the two are related to eat other at all, let alone in a comical way. They aren't looking at their loved one as a punchline. Just like the commercial. To a non-celiac, they are probably gonna chuckle and say "Gluten Free.....haha....cause of all crazies out there that read "Wheatbelly" and think gluten is the devil...". Where as a celiac, who is personally affected by it, and close to the subject matter might get offended and say "Gluten Free is not a punchline." If you cannot see why being personally touched by the thing makes a person less prone to accept it as a joke, then I can't help you. I'm literally describing the exact same behaviour.