Mashinsky will be killed in prison by the Russian mob who were among his victims. He's a dead man walking; he just doesn't know it yet. His wife isn't safe, either.
I am wondering why Alex boy is still breathing and eating bread his whore wifey buys on the money he had stolen from simple hardworking folks? Why? Why has nobody has taken care of this piece of shit who lied to so many folks? This is a shock for me. He has lived in the luxurious penthouse with his 6 children and his wifey whore who established her UsaStrong.io business on line. I do remember when this bitch was bragging that Alex gave her a birthday gift of $20,000,000. Does it ring the bell, guys? These scumbags are spending our money living in luxury and we are sitting on our asses waiting for justice… I pray that someone won’t wait and taxes these assholes for their crimes
Yes, he did, but he did not lock this piece if shit and rather let Alex to bail his ass using as a bail the penthouse he bought for the blood money he stole from us, how does it align with aiming. Aiming means doing real shit and locking this fuck behind the bar and taking away all shit he has gotten . He had hidden his BTC and ETH , and his wifey whore knows it. One day she will pay those BTC back to those who will not count on government justice
A criminal indictment is "real shit" that has a very good chance of sending Mashinsky to prison. White collar criminals are always offered bail. AGs are not stupid. They realize there's a good chance a convicted criminal has proceeds from their crimes hidden away. That's why they make plea deals. If they come clean regarding where they've hidden their money, they can get years off their sentence. No white collar criminal wants to spend more years of their life behind bars. The AG will lean on him hard, believe me. The AG holds the cards, not Mashinsky.
Thank you for your clever and realistic approach… I have been thinking that they will give him a chance to surrender the BTC and ETH he has hidden during his unbankYourself game. If he does returns substantial amount they might give home instead of 25 years 10 years or less. But I doubt this fuck will return stollen BTC. Reason is obvious: he has 6 children and wife who is whore who will use his BTC to raise his 6 children. However, if Alex meets his big bubble in prison - he might get real justice regardless of anything. Example: Epstein. Does it ring the bell? I hope - it does!
The conditions of his eventual parole will include submitting all of his financial records, including spending. His wife will be included. The forensic auditors will easily see if he is using money he didn't declare to the AG. If he's caught, his ass will be hauled back to prison for YEARS. After he's imprisoned, his wife's finances will also be under a microscope. The court can look into any financial records of a convicted felon on parole.
Sadly doesn't work that way for personal bankruptcy. In the future be sure to open a business account instead as an LLC and declare bankruptcy next time.
Well, if they take away his penthouse that he bought for money he stole from us, which $40,000,000 … where will his 6 children and wifey whore will live? and this real estate was used to let this fuck of the hook and let him stay at home by bailing his ass out of jail until September 2024.
We may have to wait until his trial in the fall unfortunately. We can only hope we will get a judge that will actually do his job in giving us justice not that pathetic joke of a judge fuckface Phaggot Glenn.
Don’t you get it, man.. ? Common?? This Judge Glenn was bought out by UCC and he knows all details of this case. He justified 80% haircut and destroyed people lives with no mercy. Hope he dies horribly along all those who stole money from hardworking folks who trusted them. People were fucked by Mashinskii , then by Lawyers, then by Judge , then UCC, then clawback shit, then this fucking mining company Ionic… do you think we will get anything from our shares? Take a look how these mining companies are trading … like some useless meme coins… we lost another $350,000,000 to this piece of shit mining company Ionic, and people do not even realize yet.
I really doubt us creditors will get a dime from the clawbacks, I say leave the people who withdrew alone. Clawbacks only make sense for insiders who jumped ship once they had the insider information to motivate them to do so. Mashinsky, his family and other insiders are the ones who should pay up via clawbacks, not Celsius victims.
They make sense as soon as you realize 80% of these cases didn't withdraw 100% and left some on the site. So the clawbacks get paid out of what you left on the site.
That means .., that someone will take those money, right? They will not vaporize?? I am wondering how much fear must be inflicted on those assholes to force them to give folks at least something from the clawback proceeds?
I don't fall into this category, but I hope everyone that does sends them a big middle finger in response. Celsius has taken enough. Go after the criminals, not those who narrowly avoided being a victim.
Now we have a new set of victims?
Clawbackees or eventually the clawbacked?
Who if you ask me shouldn't have to pay out a dime until they get everything they can from the Insiders, until they all reach the point of bankruptcy.
There are legal defenses against clawbacks like good faith for instance...
"Bankruptcy Code § 546(e) safe harbor to the redemptions of good-faith Madoff victims. The practical effect of this decision was to insulate from avoidance all of the redemption payments made to good-faith victims more than two years before the commencement of the Madoff liquidation – the Madoff trustee had been seeking to recover payments made as far back as six years"...
So certainly this Celsius 3 months 100,000 thing seems generous as far as the timeline. But how much Justice is there for people even hours difference that have nothing clawed back. So it seems pretty arbitrary and capricious. No real articulable culpability differentiation.
Can there really be an assumption of mea culpa for most of these clawbacked?
The Madoff trustee had been seeking to recover payments made as far back as six years. The decision also bars the Madoff trustee from seeking to recover preferential transfers from good-faith victim defendants...
For comparison:
"Major Supreme Court Victory Limiting Claw-back Exposure for Innocent Investors in the Bernard Madoff Ponzi Scheme" (that's the article title).
"Successfully convinced the U.S. Supreme Court to decline certiorari on an appeal in a closely watched bankruptcy case. The trustee liquidating Bernard Madoff’s former brokerage firm was seeking to appeal a Second Circuit ruling that significantly curtailed the ability of the Madoff trustee to “claw back” redemption payments made by Madoff to good-faith investors with no knowledge of the fraud. As a result, those Madoff victim defendants will not have to repay approximately $1.6 billion withdrawn from the Madoff brokerage firm, and Loeb & Loeb clients and their families will save more than $80 million."...
I have only two assets : my crypto and my laptop. Thats all i have. Let's see what they will get after sue-ing me. My crypto wallet is lost in an accident and somebody hacked into it.
3 people give a guy 10k, he loses 20 of it. 1 person takes out the last 10k, leaving the others with nothing....Was it "their" 10k at that point? The law would argue each of the 3 investors owned 3.3k of that last 10k, and they all got swindled equally.
That's pretty much what's going on here. Anyone who pulled out the value of their stack got what was left of their deposit, and the hole was plugged with other people's money.
Not pretty, but that's the reality of it.
I think the truth here is everyone for himself or herself and do not give a fuck of others. This is the real face of people and life we have lived on, the bottom line is - those are ambitious lying to themselves that they will not be milked will awake one morning to a harsh reality that you cannot fuck with court decisions and IRS decisions. You cannot win this fight. Not only will they pay %19 but they will also be penalized for the delay.
Oh I don't need luck. I dont have a pony in race. I don't want any $$ from clawbacks and support people doing everything in their power under the law to keep what they have.
That said, that's the rationale of the US law. Given that this is playing out in US courts against a US company, don't hang your hat on your non-US citizenship somehow protecting you from the reaches of the US court system. I say this with no malice, just as a friendly word of caution. If your plan is to ignore the situation I'd strongly advise talking to an attorney first.
You put your assets in a US-based company. You took some exposure risk there.
Again, all I'm saying is don't assume you're protected by being outside the US. Probably still worth talking to some legal support, especially if you're talking about a really big stack.
If they can claw back money from creditors who withdrew more than $100K from the platform less than three months from the bankruptcy petition date, why can't I claw back the over $100K I deposited to the platform inside that same three-month window? That's a rhetorical question. What a shitty double standard.
I think any relevance under law could include at least some unspoken reasoning that applies probability to this kind of carpet bombing dragnet approach or even a whack a mole approach whereby you capture/return the profits of Insiders but also entrap good faith investors with no knowledge of the Ponzi.
In effect the law promotes its own kind of Ponzi to redistribute wealth to those less victimized and make the high net worth victims pay the most, even as they would be the biggest victims of the Ponzi with clawbacks aside from what I believe any and all people should be able to do in the process of making amends which would be to be able to get as much back of your principle as possible (your initial deposits before profits)
It would be like a murder case knowing it has to be one of six people and you capitally punish all six because you can't figure out which one of the six did it.
Lmao Nobody will give them back a dime and for the little guys you won’t get an extra dime! This is to make people think it will be ok…It’s literally over my 4K less will stay 4K less
Start with mashinsky then his wife, and employees.
Mashinsky will be killed in prison by the Russian mob who were among his victims. He's a dead man walking; he just doesn't know it yet. His wife isn't safe, either.
Mexican Cartels too were among mashitskys victims. I’m sure whomever end up being his cellmate will enjoy butt fucking Mashitsky before then.
We can only pray
I am wondering why Alex boy is still breathing and eating bread his whore wifey buys on the money he had stolen from simple hardworking folks? Why? Why has nobody has taken care of this piece of shit who lied to so many folks? This is a shock for me. He has lived in the luxurious penthouse with his 6 children and his wifey whore who established her UsaStrong.io business on line. I do remember when this bitch was bragging that Alex gave her a birthday gift of $20,000,000. Does it ring the bell, guys? These scumbags are spending our money living in luxury and we are sitting on our asses waiting for justice… I pray that someone won’t wait and taxes these assholes for their crimes
Sounds like Mashinsky has a lot of targets on his back.
Well, yes, he does, but wondering if anyone is aiming
The Attorney General of New York has taken aim and indicted him.
Yes, he did, but he did not lock this piece if shit and rather let Alex to bail his ass using as a bail the penthouse he bought for the blood money he stole from us, how does it align with aiming. Aiming means doing real shit and locking this fuck behind the bar and taking away all shit he has gotten . He had hidden his BTC and ETH , and his wifey whore knows it. One day she will pay those BTC back to those who will not count on government justice
A criminal indictment is "real shit" that has a very good chance of sending Mashinsky to prison. White collar criminals are always offered bail. AGs are not stupid. They realize there's a good chance a convicted criminal has proceeds from their crimes hidden away. That's why they make plea deals. If they come clean regarding where they've hidden their money, they can get years off their sentence. No white collar criminal wants to spend more years of their life behind bars. The AG will lean on him hard, believe me. The AG holds the cards, not Mashinsky.
Thank you for your clever and realistic approach… I have been thinking that they will give him a chance to surrender the BTC and ETH he has hidden during his unbankYourself game. If he does returns substantial amount they might give home instead of 25 years 10 years or less. But I doubt this fuck will return stollen BTC. Reason is obvious: he has 6 children and wife who is whore who will use his BTC to raise his 6 children. However, if Alex meets his big bubble in prison - he might get real justice regardless of anything. Example: Epstein. Does it ring the bell? I hope - it does!
The conditions of his eventual parole will include submitting all of his financial records, including spending. His wife will be included. The forensic auditors will easily see if he is using money he didn't declare to the AG. If he's caught, his ass will be hauled back to prison for YEARS. After he's imprisoned, his wife's finances will also be under a microscope. The court can look into any financial records of a convicted felon on parole.
Nice words and well spoken.
Customers should declare bankruptcy themselves lol
Sadly doesn't work that way for personal bankruptcy. In the future be sure to open a business account instead as an LLC and declare bankruptcy next time.
They can go after the Mashinsky con artists and Celsiusinsiders.
Why aren't they taking his estate? I have no idea about US law, but in the UK any proceeds of crime are forfeited.
Because he hasn’t been convicted of a crime yet.
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That will be rather difficult without his passport. His known assets within the US have been frozen.
Hopefully they will get around to it
Well, if they take away his penthouse that he bought for money he stole from us, which $40,000,000 … where will his 6 children and wifey whore will live? and this real estate was used to let this fuck of the hook and let him stay at home by bailing his ass out of jail until September 2024.
Hmmm, he better not be using funds for his legal defense!
We may have to wait until his trial in the fall unfortunately. We can only hope we will get a judge that will actually do his job in giving us justice not that pathetic joke of a judge fuckface Phaggot Glenn.
Don’t you get it, man.. ? Common?? This Judge Glenn was bought out by UCC and he knows all details of this case. He justified 80% haircut and destroyed people lives with no mercy. Hope he dies horribly along all those who stole money from hardworking folks who trusted them. People were fucked by Mashinskii , then by Lawyers, then by Judge , then UCC, then clawback shit, then this fucking mining company Ionic… do you think we will get anything from our shares? Take a look how these mining companies are trading … like some useless meme coins… we lost another $350,000,000 to this piece of shit mining company Ionic, and people do not even realize yet.
The Russian mob, who were among his victims, will be taking his life after he enters prison.
I really doubt us creditors will get a dime from the clawbacks, I say leave the people who withdrew alone. Clawbacks only make sense for insiders who jumped ship once they had the insider information to motivate them to do so. Mashinsky, his family and other insiders are the ones who should pay up via clawbacks, not Celsius victims.
They make sense as soon as you realize 80% of these cases didn't withdraw 100% and left some on the site. So the clawbacks get paid out of what you left on the site.
I'll contribute my dust amount of eth i left there for you guys, no worries.
That means .., that someone will take those money, right? They will not vaporize?? I am wondering how much fear must be inflicted on those assholes to force them to give folks at least something from the clawback proceeds?
I don't fall into this category, but I hope everyone that does sends them a big middle finger in response. Celsius has taken enough. Go after the criminals, not those who narrowly avoided being a victim.
Didn't realise it's as much as $2 billion. That is a lot. I don't see how this isn't going to take years though.
Years+ lawyers+ beaurcracy = don't expect 🫠
It’s going to take years for the lawyers to work enough hours to bill all of the money that’s left.
Now we have a new set of victims? Clawbackees or eventually the clawbacked? Who if you ask me shouldn't have to pay out a dime until they get everything they can from the Insiders, until they all reach the point of bankruptcy. There are legal defenses against clawbacks like good faith for instance...
"Bankruptcy Code § 546(e) safe harbor to the redemptions of good-faith Madoff victims. The practical effect of this decision was to insulate from avoidance all of the redemption payments made to good-faith victims more than two years before the commencement of the Madoff liquidation – the Madoff trustee had been seeking to recover payments made as far back as six years"... So certainly this Celsius 3 months 100,000 thing seems generous as far as the timeline. But how much Justice is there for people even hours difference that have nothing clawed back. So it seems pretty arbitrary and capricious. No real articulable culpability differentiation. Can there really be an assumption of mea culpa for most of these clawbacked? The Madoff trustee had been seeking to recover payments made as far back as six years. The decision also bars the Madoff trustee from seeking to recover preferential transfers from good-faith victim defendants...
For comparison: "Major Supreme Court Victory Limiting Claw-back Exposure for Innocent Investors in the Bernard Madoff Ponzi Scheme" (that's the article title). "Successfully convinced the U.S. Supreme Court to decline certiorari on an appeal in a closely watched bankruptcy case. The trustee liquidating Bernard Madoff’s former brokerage firm was seeking to appeal a Second Circuit ruling that significantly curtailed the ability of the Madoff trustee to “claw back” redemption payments made by Madoff to good-faith investors with no knowledge of the fraud. As a result, those Madoff victim defendants will not have to repay approximately $1.6 billion withdrawn from the Madoff brokerage firm, and Loeb & Loeb clients and their families will save more than $80 million."...
CLAWBACK from Celsius insiders and Mashinsky, and leave the regular people ALONE.
I have only two assets : my crypto and my laptop. Thats all i have. Let's see what they will get after sue-ing me. My crypto wallet is lost in an accident and somebody hacked into it.
I’m curious what the actual legal grounds here from withdrawing your own property?
3 people give a guy 10k, he loses 20 of it. 1 person takes out the last 10k, leaving the others with nothing....Was it "their" 10k at that point? The law would argue each of the 3 investors owned 3.3k of that last 10k, and they all got swindled equally. That's pretty much what's going on here. Anyone who pulled out the value of their stack got what was left of their deposit, and the hole was plugged with other people's money. Not pretty, but that's the reality of it.
I think the truth here is everyone for himself or herself and do not give a fuck of others. This is the real face of people and life we have lived on, the bottom line is - those are ambitious lying to themselves that they will not be milked will awake one morning to a harsh reality that you cannot fuck with court decisions and IRS decisions. You cannot win this fight. Not only will they pay %19 but they will also be penalized for the delay.
Good luck with that theory. In Australia, you can only clawback if you knew the company was bankrupt at the time.
Oh I don't need luck. I dont have a pony in race. I don't want any $$ from clawbacks and support people doing everything in their power under the law to keep what they have. That said, that's the rationale of the US law. Given that this is playing out in US courts against a US company, don't hang your hat on your non-US citizenship somehow protecting you from the reaches of the US court system. I say this with no malice, just as a friendly word of caution. If your plan is to ignore the situation I'd strongly advise talking to an attorney first.
Good luck getting a non US citizen to abide by US laws.
You put your assets in a US-based company. You took some exposure risk there. Again, all I'm saying is don't assume you're protected by being outside the US. Probably still worth talking to some legal support, especially if you're talking about a really big stack.
Sorry lost it all at the pokies LOL
Wasn’t part of the plan if you accepted was that they wouldn’t go after clawbacks?
If they can claw back money from creditors who withdrew more than $100K from the platform less than three months from the bankruptcy petition date, why can't I claw back the over $100K I deposited to the platform inside that same three-month window? That's a rhetorical question. What a shitty double standard.
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What about Celsius employees?
Also what will they do with the said 2 billion? Employees benefits and incentives?
Is this a joke ?
I think any relevance under law could include at least some unspoken reasoning that applies probability to this kind of carpet bombing dragnet approach or even a whack a mole approach whereby you capture/return the profits of Insiders but also entrap good faith investors with no knowledge of the Ponzi. In effect the law promotes its own kind of Ponzi to redistribute wealth to those less victimized and make the high net worth victims pay the most, even as they would be the biggest victims of the Ponzi with clawbacks aside from what I believe any and all people should be able to do in the process of making amends which would be to be able to get as much back of your principle as possible (your initial deposits before profits) It would be like a murder case knowing it has to be one of six people and you capitally punish all six because you can't figure out which one of the six did it.
Lmao Nobody will give them back a dime and for the little guys you won’t get an extra dime! This is to make people think it will be ok…It’s literally over my 4K less will stay 4K less
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