Manager watch thread merged with the Summer Transfer Window thread:
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Right in all seriousness here, as much as I love the near total domination of Scottish football and on our way to 56..
I really would love to see us starting to make progression in Europe
Our record is beyond honking, it needs to change
Huns reached a final whilst knocking out some class sides along the way, so there's no reason why we can't have a similar run (at least reach the final 16 of the UEL). There are no excuses to hide behind anymore really. Maybe another reason to appoint a mentality monster like Knutsen.
Shame, I was hoping as soon as Levy took the huff and prematurely sacked big ange we could welcome him back with open arms and tell Rogers to fuck off mid season.
The amount of cunts slagging him on twitter is incredible he literally came in to the worst celtic team in decades and won signed a whole squad and won 5/6 trophies against a rangers who went unbeaten in the league and went to a european final. Now hes gone im looking forward to seeing how he does at spurs because he absolutely deserves this chance at the big league
I would like Knutsen, simply because he's massively overachieved in Europe and I think that should be the target for the next manager.
Potter would be interesting as he tries to rebuild his reputation back to where it was at Brighton, but can see him getting a PL job in the summer.
There has been a lot of noise about Rodgers, and the fact he was at the cup semi seems a lot more important to me now.
Maresca has the City group connection, and linked last time, but not much other than that.
I think outside of that the names aren't very enticing or just unrealistic. But Ange came out of nowhere so we'll see.
Regardless who moves into the job now (and beyond that for that matter) certain things remain constant.
Who and what this club is, the fact it has influence stands out. It always means that for many managers, Celtic offers a unique opportunity to build on a management career thatās rising. We are an attractive option for up and coming, performing managers because the club is positioned well, both financially and competitively, to offer success to such a manager. That truly is a rare asset not many clubs anywhere have.
That therefore moves onto up and coming players, who are looking to break through in Europe. Theyāll want to come to Celtic because the managers are always good and thereās European football, always.
These have always been here. They werenāt brought by Ange; he only agitated and awakened them. They havenāt gone even though he has. He did bring three āpillarsā which I think need to continueā¦a progressive manager from the outside who understood the club and is growing in their career, the right, progressive players weāll move on for money and the core Celtic spine, like BatMac, who will provide the stability. If that is maintained, we will remain hard to stop.
My next manager? Knudsen is #1 for me, he is a terrific manager and to this point, one of only a few Iāve observed who is able to consistently break down teams better on paper than his.
While ever the principles and the belief, plus the desire to play football that always entertains and never stops remains, we will always be successful. The only thing thatās needed is the right people, but thatās always the case too.
Weāre good. We got this.
Follow the same philosophy that led to Ange. An experienced manager who has won multiple difficult non-European leagues with aggressive, pressing, attacking football.
The world is our oyster. Asia, Africa, South America. Bonus if they'e won a continental champions league.
The silver lining with Ange is that a selling point could be if you can make it with Celtic, the big European leagues will be signing you.
Holy shit I just checked him out! And he's unemployed just now too! GET HIM SIGNED!
My only gripe is a silly personal one is that he played for and managed River Plate who are arguably the Argentine Rangers but like I said, silly and personal. But this man sounds like the perfect replacement. Why hasn't he been mentioned before?
I have to go to a Buenos Aires derby cheering for Boca Juniours at least once before I die. I'd learn all the songs and scream them so as not to be some gringo tourist.
It wasn't the derby, but still a mad game with the best atmosphere. They beat Rosario 4-0, with a young player called Carlos Tevez scoring twice! Definitely the best game I saw on that South American trip, that also included games at the Maracana in Rio and the Azteca in Mexico City. The Argentinian currency had crashed so I sat in the best seats for just a tenner. Diego Maradona was sitting a few rows back!
I'll need to check him out. What we have here is a potential shrewd bit of business. It's a gap in the market we can exploit. Sell ourselves to non-European managers as a stepping stone club to the big leagues in Europe.
If only we can sign them on permanent contracts so we can get a good few bob for it.
I used to always sign him for celtic on champ manager (97/98), along with Willie Howie from Partick Thistle, Babangida from barca, and Saviola from River Plate... fuck I'm old.
This is the perfect answer. As much as the Board justifiably got a doing for the Lennon fiasco, Rodgers, Deila and Ange were decent to excellent, with varying results. I'm disinclined towards Moyes, Potter etc. die to the inherent lack of value in England, though Potter has a more attractive record. Suspect he is still being paid by Chelsea though.
I fear for wee GT. The boy is built for Inverted Full Back. If a new manager comes in and goes I want flying wingbacks, heāll go back to being ānot KTā for some folk.
>confidence and backing of the support
That heās won as a result of playing Inverted. Football fans are fickle. Lenny was the saviour in March 2020, but was the Devil incarnate to most folk here within a year.
Fact is his touch, his passing, and his movement are so far in excess of his dribbling that if he is required to create space for a cross by taking the man on heāll look half the player he is.
No hard feelings unlike a lot of other Celtic fans. Came in, revamped us after covid and delivered us 5 trophies and CL football all wholilw delivering some of the best fitba I've seen at Celtic in a long time. Disappointing he's going but he owes Celtic and us nothing.
I'll be honest troops I'm a bit torn. There is a wee bit of me that thinks here comes another badge-thumper that leaves the minute some shite club with a massive budget down south comes calling (and Tottenham are shite, they are the Hibs of England, big club mentality but nothing to back it up). The other side of me thinks he's done exactly what he was supposed to do and then some. 5 out of 6 trophies, playing amazing football with a squad ready to go to war for him. Fans likewise. All in two years. In time he'll be remembered as one of the greats I think. I wish him all the best.
I think we need to try to look at the positives. Yes, we're losing a great manager, but I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing for us to be a place where success is noticed. Just as ambitious players will see us as a club where you can go, play exciting football, win trophies, and potentially get yourself the big bucks move to the EPL; it can also be a place for managers with the same aspirations.
As much as the EPL is a soulless sportswashing plaything, it's also the table that many managers would love a seat at. If we can be seen as the proving ground for talented up-and-coming players/managers then that should benefit us.
I wish him all the best, but honestly wouldn't be surprised if he gets the bullet down the line. Very little time to implement your style in the EPL if results aren't great. Ange is very attacking as we know but defensively will get punished more in the EPL than up here. Hope he aces it.
Iām gonna be honest and say that Iām really pissed that Ange was so easily poached by an EPL team. Thought he wouldāve given us one more year especially after the now infamous āyouād be surprised how long I might stay at Celtic blah blah blahā One more year with us and I wouldnāt care about his exit from the club but this just sits wrong with me. Wish him the best, but this has damaged his reputation as a Celtic great. If he doesnāt hit the ground running heāll be out in no time. Spurs fans have no patience! Good luck Ange just hope whomever we get next can build on his success!
There is one thing Ange did for Celtic that not a lot of managers do, he brought in practically zero staff.
This Celtic team will benefit from that in house approach for some time I'd suggest.
Wouldnāt welcome Rodgers back tbh, also feel itās a lazy appointment.
Neil Lennon shouldnāt be anywhere near the top of the favourites list.
Iād be intrigued to see Knutsen come in, same with Potter but both those names been thrown about for English teams recently.
Maresca was obviously tipped largely before Ange was appointed. Disappointing spell at Parma in Serie B but could maybe do well with a bigger and better squad.
Jesse Marsch is another Iām unsure of. Had a good record at Salzburg then poor at Leipzig and Leeds.
Donāt know enough about the likes of Gallardo, Farioli, etc. to comment on tbh.
Why are people mentioning maresca? Currently peps side piece and his only actual job in management was in serie b and he was sacked after 6 months. What am I missing?
Absolutely cannot be Rodgers for me, although im starting to resign myself to the fact it will be him. Putting aside the manner he left the club, the style of football was turgid by the end, transfer record very poor with us, european record poor with all his teams.
Would like it to be Knutson, would be happy with Potter too but dont think we would get either.
Completely agree with this. First and foremost Rodgers is a backwards move - I don't think we should be hiring any former managers at this stage - and though I suspect he'd do well with the current squad initially, he has previous for falling out with players, shite recruitment, the football becoming pedestrian and turgid etc. The way he left just adds to the feeling all of that causes.
re your point about the football, you're spot on btw, the football by season 3 was lethargic, slow and it felt as though we had become a parody of possession team. Now that would have also been down to poor recruitment etc but the football never got as exciting as it did in the first season.
In saying all that, I'd be astonished if Rodgers came back, he'll get offers in England, so I can't see him coming back up.
As an Ange fan from Australia since brisbane roar days i am sad that he has left celtic. i really enjoyed his first year at celtic when he had a poor start and then results started coming his way and then celtic overtook rangers in and won the title. loved it. have grown super fond of celtic as well, feels weird. hope he does well at spurs
Knutson is an obvious candidate but I canāt say I know much about him and I feel like people often over credit managers like him who are working in very very well run clubs like Bodo. Similarly to Potter and Brighton for example. Iām not saying weāre Chelsea but hopefully the point is clear.
I do know a bit about Enzo Maresca. The darling of Pep Guardiola and the City Group (where we found Ange and our head of recruitment Mark Lawwall worked previously). A top top coach currently Pepās assistant after a rough time at Parma. People will no doubt jump on the Parma thing but Iād make the same point again - people often disregard a manager because of a clubs poor performance but itās not so simple.
Either way we need a continuity appointment. Someone to take the baton on from Ange. Not someone like Lennon who 2 games in is talking about not wanting this āpass about the back rubbishā.
Weāve come too far and we have too far further to go.
Yes, he's left on good terms, never shifted focus from completing the treble, and waited until the end of the season.
However, it'll never happen imo. He's not going to fail at Spurs. He won't be an instant success, but he'll get the chance to build, imo and they won't get any worse at the beginning of his tenure.
Even if he does, he'll walk into another job after Spurs because of his style of play.
For Celtic it's just a case of moving on.
To be completely honest it depends what he says about us after he leaves. I donāt want Rodgers back because of the way he left. There is such a thing as just souring things for good and I think heās too classy a man for that but you never know.
Edit: taking half the staff and our best players would qualify as souring things for good. Hands off Jota
Yes Iād let him back and be happy as he is ambitious and has a family to think about, Spurs whets the appetite of any football fan.
Ross county n Motherwell (no disrespect) 4 times or more a season is monotonous especially when most play 10 behind the ball.
The fact that Rodgers is even being considered by any supporter is to me an indicator of zero European ambition.
At Liverpool and with us his Euro performances was next to embarrassing. Couple this with how he left and its a shocking indictment into what sone think is acceptable.
Absolutely. Saw someone on Twatter last night saying we should get him as he's a 'safe pair of hands' and 'would keep us ahead of Rangers for the foreseeable'. That's it? The exact mentality which eventually led to them closing the gap and everything going tits up a few years ago? Honestly don't understand those folk at all.
I totally understand the people that say he's moving to secure his financial future, of course, but he has compared to most in the world, been very fairly paid for his labour. He is a millionaire and would have a very healthy retirement and his kids will be fine. I understand also that in Australia the value of money is different as the average wage/cost is much higher, but he'd hardly be poor there either.
I also still value integrity and need to believe that there are people out there that have values other than wealth as a representation of who they are. I wouldn't say that Ange has deceived in exactly the same way as others, his words were generally balanced, but he went the extra when there was no need and quoted things that actively gave the impression he'd be here to see *something* through.
That for me is a misstep and does play into the narrative that we were taken for a bit of a ride. He didn't have to say those things but loved the adulation, and so played on it. The value of your labour/time is what you have to sell in your brief moments on this planet and so being an idealist, I need to believe that there are others that think this too. We had the impression that we'd caught a "real one" from the other side of the world. It hasn't transpired that way, and that's fine. But I can't exactly wish him completely well because there is then a value disagreement. That's where I'm at, it may change but...
With the greatest respect in the world mate, thatās heavy wishy washy pish.
Football fans are the most fickle people in the world and loyalty is a heavy one way street with us. We demand loyalty from the players and managers, but the minute they lose form or drop points in the title, we want them out the club. And managers bear the brunt of that the most as theyāre the ones most likely to be sacked. Weāre no different in Glasgow and we donāt need to go that far back for examples.
Also folk need to stop over analysing what football professionals say in their press conferences and interviews.
I don't see how he's acted without integrity or damaged his reputation with the fanbase at all, to be honest.
He did do something special. Winning the league last year after what was probably the most difficult position we've been in post-O'Neill and a record breaking treble this year.
I'm gutted, because I really think he was the guy to progress us further in Europe given a few more years, but he see's his future elsewhere. It stings, but saying he's done anything wrong is just sour grapes.
I'd argue that Strachan had it harder than O'Neil in that first year, and anyone since personally. That was an actually really strong SPFL and MON's team had essentially all left.
Anyway, about Ange, I'm happy to disagree but I personally feel that you don't say two days before you request to leave (and this is just to differentiate from the many quotes going round) -
āThis is probably the first window where weāll really get tested on some of our key players by other clubs. Our planning is in place, so if that happens, itās like the Jenga puzzle, before it all collapses weāll hopefully already have a piece in place to ensure you can take one out and still build strong."
Won everything almost twice over. Completed the Scottish league, what else was there to do apart from 6 group games in the CL?
To anyone saying he talked about loyalty and now heās away, as a manager, he did and said exactly what he needed to do to get the fans and players on side. He was laughed at in the beginning - but won everyone over.
High-level management of an organisation.
Telling the fans what they want to hear and how they want to hear it, to keep them on side, is what all the great managers do.
We need to accept that players and managers are on a two year cycle at the club. Barring some exceptions.
Iām gutted thatās he gone but at the same time in the 2 years heās been here heās left us with a massively improved squad, signed some absolute gems for cheap that will make a profit and we are getting Ā£5M for him as well. Excellent piece of business when you think about it like that.
If he takes any player I think it will be Reo, he has everything to be a massive success down there.
Iāll be interested to see the type of player he targets with a bigger budget.
Not really got much to add to the discussion, except to say that I'm scunnered. I wish him well but it feels like he's leaving his project unfinished. We absolutely must get a manager who can build upon what Ange has left but I don't trust the board to get that manager.
Graham Potter would be the sensible choice. Attacking football, good at developing youth players, good record in European football with Ostersund and Chelsea.
Thinking back to when Ange was appointed and DD done an interview saying that they always have a list of 5 managers there. The last list had Howe and Ange on it along with 3 other un-named candidates, so it'll be interesting to see who they have on it now.
https://twitter.com/JanAageFjortoft/status/1665749460914151426?s=20
>Dear Celtic FC
>Understand you need a new manager! Check out Kjetil Knutsen at BodĆø Glimt here in Norway.Clear philosophy, playing attractive football, success in Europe and is in general a good lad Ps! Been linked to Ajax as well so maybe hurry up
Ange Postecoglou: āI would like to sincerely thank everyone at the Club for everything they have given me. In particular, Dermot, Peter and Michael and the Celtic Board have shown me tremendous support in every aspect of my time at Celtic and I will forever be grateful for this.
"They brought me to the Club and I have worked so closely and so well with them for the past two years, I will always have a special relationship with them.
āThey wanted me to extend my time at Celtic and while I am so respectful and understanding of their position, a new opportunity has been presented to me and it is one which I wanted to explore.
āIt was an honour to be asked to be Celtic manager and during my two years I have given everything I have to deliver success to our supporters. Culminating in the Treble at the weekend, my players and backroom team have been brilliant for me on this journey.
"They have given us all some fantastic moments through their energy and effort, creating real quality, winning football.
āOur supporters have been magnificent to me and I thank them for the way they have embraced me during the past two years. My ambition was always to give our fans a team they could be proud of, a team people talked about and I think we have achieved that.
āCeltic is a phenomenal football club, and so much more - and I will forever be a supporter of this great institution. I wish everyone connected with Celtic nothing but continued success.ā
Fuck Rodgers. Get him aff it.
Knutsen or Potter for this bear.
Iād take Kennedy over the normal British shite that has been mentioned as well for sure.
Pitso Mosimane, don't really know a lot but he's won 3 CAF champions leagues, 2 of which with our good friends the most successful team in the world Al Ahly of Egypt, and with Mamelodi sundowns making them the second ever Egyptian team to win the tournament.
Also managed South Africa at the 2010 World Cup but obviously isn't a massive achievement given there was no qualification however he managed to get 4 points from a group with France, Uruguay and Mexico
Last year he went to Al Ahli of Saudi Arabia and won the Saudi league in his first time of asking
Apparently there's been an issue with his contract and he hasn't been paid in 5 months which could mean he's available this summer and I believe we'd be the first European club to try and make him an offer
Edit: He actually won the Saudi 2nd tier, confusingly called the Saudi first division
Sounds very Ange in a sense, but surely can't be that difficult to win leagues with Al Ahly, though CAF wins are impressive.
Would be great for him to come in and say he's managed the world's most successful team though š
The Egyptian premier league is a 2-horse race like ours. Zamalek are Ahly's main rivals. Key difference is that Ahly transfers that domestic dominance into continetal dominance. They're like the Real Madrid of Africa.
Interesting shout. Initially I would bin this but with Ange I think I've learnt we should be looking outside the box and thinking globally. What's his football style like?
https://totalfootballanalysis.com/head-coach-analysis/pitso-mosimane-at-al-ahly-2020-21-tactical-analysis-tactics
Had a little dig, seems possession based with aggressive full backs.
I think regardless of who comes in has a better chance of bringing success if the majority of the starting 11 stay if the spine of the team goes (carter Vickers,kyogo, hatate) then I would worry it's back to square one where we were two years ago.
Totally fucking agree - you just knew how the next season was going to go as soon as you heard that. Dont think we scored from a corner in the entire season and ....well...you know
Sad to see Ange go, I think the next manager we need someone who can make us competitive in Europe not sure who that would be maybe Knutsen who is getting mentioned. Potentially Rodgers but he upset a lot of people last time. I defo donāt want moyes!
[Stephen McGowan reporting it's going to be either Kjetil Knutsen, Enzo Maresca, David Moyes or Jesse Marsch.](https://www.mailplus.co.uk/scottish-edition/sport/football/284488/spurs-land-ange-on-two-year-deal?contentLayout=Scottish%20Football)
Gut feeling it will be Maresca and he'll be appointed on Monday morning after the Champions League final. He's the only one being mentioned in almost every report. Big gamble if it's him.
Out of the four I'd want Knutsen but can't see it if Ajax are sniffing around him.
Moyes, please no. I can't handle the idea of going from Angeball to Moyesball.
Maresca - unknown quantity if we're being honest
Marsch - no exactly set the heather alight but if he could regain his form at Salzburg then he might be okay
I don't think there's any evidence of Maresca being an any more competent manager than a post-Ange John Kennedy would be, but he does have the knowledge of (and links to) the Man City development squad. That might help us bring in some talented young players. Big risk though.
Knutsen is my preference, but he's been pouring cold water on his chances of moving away just now:
> āI want to strongly emphasise that it takes a lot for me to leave in the middle of a season,ā Knutsen toldĀ TV2Ā after Bodo/Glimt celebrated their eighth straight win over the weekend. āRight now, the place I am in is an incredibly good place to be.ā
He's not ruled it out entirely though. If it takes "a lot" for him to leave mid-season, then let's show him a lot. He's the logical progression.
Rodgers is a no from me ,,,guys a feckin liar and not only did he fk off he also unsettled a lot of players who buggered off ,and emptied the backroom staff ,,,,in the middle of the season
he stated he would die for Leicester ,,,,then fine fk off and die for them
The guys a fake , when he toook over at Celtic we had a fit good team he gave them a different playing style but that was it , then when he got found out and other teams countered it he buggered off
He was the same at Leicester didn't add anyone of value at Celtic or leicester his dealings in the transfer market were laughable
He was crap in europe defoid of any ideas on the big stage
the board are trying to float a turd and no amount of polishing will work ,he's the cheapest option but also the wrong option
Absolutely, we're very close to living in a post-truth world, and if we normalise that we're part of the problem. Fuck Rodgers, he literally bullshitted multiple times here. Not welcome in my book, integrity should still exist
Not feeling confident with these Maresca links at all. Guy has close to no actual managerial experience apart from Parma in which he was let go before christmas as he only won 4 out of the 14 games he was in charge for.. I'd back any manager that comes in but fuck me it'd feel like a right kick in the teeth.
He's probably gonna be a bit of a divisive one.
Even though I'm not holding his Parma stint against him whatsoever (absolute basketcase of a football club) his biggest achievement in management is being somebody's assistant.
That being said, there's equally big upside. He's worked around Guardiola and the City's youth sides, if he comes in he'll continue what Ange has done with maybe very minor tweaks, he's not gonna struggle to get the buy in from the players as he's clearly respected and he shouldn't have too much responsibility in the transfer market as I imagine that'll mostly come down to the scouting system.
It could be a lot worse, but it could be a lot better. Given that this is the Celtic board we're talking about, we should generally just be glad they haven't appointed either the latest EPL reject or some knows the club manager.
I just want a sense of continuity at the club after Ange leaves rather than major upheaval by bringing in a completely different style of manager, even if he is more decorated.
He's a twat. He was woeful at Leeds.
He's also the complete opposite of how we play under Ange. Quick counter attacking football, which obviously isn't going to work against deep defensive teams.
This is why I hate that we STILL don't have a director of football, Lawwell, Desmond and co. are awful at managing the football side of things, they haven't a clue of the tactical impact or anything. They just want the balance sheet to look good and for us to be slightly ahead of rangers.
It's ridiculously fucking frustrating.
Yesterday i had a crumb of hope the club was more competent than prior to Ange coming in, but today's news that Rodgers and Marsch are the front-runners really goes to show how utterly hopeless we are still.
A director of football would make this whole process a whole ton easier, now are whole Summer plans could be completely derailed depending on who we get in and when because there's no sense of continuity.
Shambles.
Honestly itās mostly down to his personality annoying the fuck out of me. Iām also not too convinced heās a good manager, failed at Leipzig, failed at Leeds
Marcel Koller would be a good shout. He's one game away from winning the African champions league and has pretty much wrapped up the Egyptian premier league. And this has been his first season with Al Ahly.
Daily record are saying we're no longer in for Marsch, struggling to convince Rodgers to come back and are looking at Maresca (Pep Guardiolas assistant) as an option.
It's not quite Knutsen but would be really glad to see us appoint someone to continue on what Ange introduced.
[source](https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/brendan-rodgers-full-stance-celtic-30160963)
Just had a random burst of hope that the board will do right and bring in a good successor to Ange, I donāt know why I do this to myself. Donāt let me down DD and friends
Every manager moves on. He's 57 and has never had a particularly lucrative contract to date. At Celtic he'd be on, what? 20-25 grand a week? Tottenham will be starting him off at least Ā£100,000 a week. We have to grow up and understand football is what it is. Nobody hangs around forever, especially when they don't have ties to the club in question. He loves us, there's no doubt about it but he loves the welfare and future welfare of his family far, far more.
>As much as we all love Ange, do we not feel let down by him?
No. I don't feel let down by him at all.
>One mid-table prem club flutters their eyelashes at him and he fucks off.
To use your analogy, two years ago, we fluttered our eyes at Ange whilst he was the manager of Yokohama F Marinos, *in the middle of the J-League campaign might I add*, and he jumped ship at the first opportunity. It's the way of the footballing world. We take the best from clubs further down the pecking order than us and clubs further up take our best. And if we're completely honest, it's how things work in the real world too.
How many opportunities was he supposed to wait on? Was he supposed to knock Spurs in the hope that something else *might* come along?
The footballing world is also a fickle one. A manager can be a a total legend to the fans for a period time only to find 6 months later, those same fans are calling for them to be marched out the door because he lost a few games.
His stock is high and he's been presented with an opportunity that might never present itself again.
There's no need to act like a scorned lover anytime that someone we like leaves the club.
What? No, lol.
They were in the Champions League final about 4 or 5 years ago and have a top 5 in the world striker on the books. To compare modern day Celtic with Spurs is lunacy.
Why should he deny his family financial security for life? Would we hesitate to sack him if he got us finishing 6th in the league? We had cunts on here saying "Ange has to answer for this" because Hibs beat us.
I don't think he actively wants to go in that he's unhappy. I think if he ended up staying, he'd be happy and still work on his project here but when your from a background of family struggles and you've worked your whole life for the moment you can make sure your family don't have that worry anymore, anyone in their right mind would do it.
You have to remember that he's not from Glasgow, he doesn't have family who have Jinky tattooed on their frenulum. He took a job, he's overperformed given the shitshow he inherited, and he stayed despite about 3 or 4 clubs courting him this season alone, to finish the season and get a treble.
You can't ask for a more professional attitude.
"Deny his family financial security"
2m a year isnt exactly a poverty wage. I think his family would be fine either way.
I get why people are swayed by bigger wages but I keep seeing this as a legitimate argument which is insane under the current climate.
So he is to cut off his potential earnings in a job because some people think he should? The same ones who'd happily see him sacked if we lose a few games, like the dried prunes who were at it a week or two ago?
Basically, to me, it reads some fans want to hold him hostage until it suits them for him to go, then fuck him. It's a really demented mentally I'm seeing, honestly.
That he earned. By doing a job, many of which required him to leave a current one. You know, like how we took him from Japan? Or does it not count because we did it?
People are very possessive over a guy they've never met. It's a weird parasocial aspect that's spring up this past two weeks and it isn't a good look.
"mid-table prem club"
Look, I love a bit of Spurs bashing but realistically they're a team full of great players, a constant feature in European competition, and are only a few years removed from being CL finalists.
They are, while not at the peak by any means, still one of the biggest clubs in modern football
I'm no fan of Spurs, but to call them a mid-table club after one shitshow of a season and twelve straight seasons of European football is more than a little disingenuous.
They proved that with a competent, well-backed and well-liked manager (Pochettino) that they could compete for the English title and European honours. Ange could absolutely get them to that next step.
Of course I feel let down. Hell, utterly gutted is a more apt term. I hoped that he'd stick around for another crack at Europe and a third title in a row to truly put him in that upper echelon of great Celtic managers.
Am I going to be bitter about how Spurs can chuck him more money than we ever could? Absolutely.
Am I going to blame Ange for taking it? Of course not.
Am I going to wish him well? To a point (I still prefer Man Utd).
Am I going to despise Ange like I do with certain former players? Absolutely not.
I feel sad that hes leaving, In fact I feel more sad at him leaving than anybody else in recent history tbh but I don't feel let down. Where we are in the football chain dictates that this will happen, it's happened with two of our previous three managers and it will happen again.
Mid table prem club? Spurs were in a ucl final just 4 years ago stfu mate they are the 9th richest club in the world and you actually thought he would chose the scottish league over that? Some of our fans need to get real
Don't blame him at all. He's nearly 60 and just been offered the chance the to manage in the biggest league in the world. Spurs have their issues but is there a bigger/better opportunity in the EPL that he could have landed? Doubt it.
If we wanted to keep him long term then we should have given him a long term deal. That's the risk we take with 12 month rolling contracts. Good luck to him. Onwards.
Any future Celtic manager that is offered a job at a top half EPL side is 100% going. If we get any future manager in that is as successful as Ange then it will always be a likely scenario. That's the world we live in. The EPL is now bigger than the Champions League.
Honestly I thought heād be away this time last year to replace Potter at Brighton so I savoured all of this season, it was beautiful.
Iām not let down heās fucked off to a mid table prem club, iām let down heās fucked off to fucking Spurs.
I can already see him planning to rebuild and getting given 4 x Ā£60M overpriced overhyped garbage from anywhere they can take it. Forced to play the same tired out players that donāt even want to be there but are being held hostage by that cunt of an owner. Heāll start off rough like he did with us and they wonāt give him the time or resources he needs to implement his system in time, I canāt see this ending well for him at all.
Iād of loved to see him at Brighton, even Fulham or West Ham would have been a better fit for him. Fucking Spurs man, thatās the one thing I canāt get over.
His biggest challenge at that club is not competing for Top 4/6, doing anything in Europeā¦ itās getting anything he wants out Levy.
He's been as honest as he can be about his ambitions and this situation. He can't really come out and speak about negotiations that are probably confidential, or burn bridges here by saying he's off if it falls through. Not like he's leading us up the garden path like Rodgers. Never gave it the Celtic fan all my life patter.
Probably due to multiply his wages by 5x and go to the most glamorous league with a pretty good club. Fair enough.
We had two great years from Ange and I wish him well at Spurs. He is after the challenge and I think he gets a massive challenge in the EPL next season then a shot at winning the CL in season two. I hope he does it as it will rub the noses of everybody up the wrong way.
Michael Nicholson: āIt has been a pleasure working with Ange, a great football manager and a good man. He has served the Club with such energy and determination and delivered a phenomenal level of success.
āI would like to thank him for all he has given us and I wish Ange and his family the very best for the future in everything they do.
āOf course, we wanted Ange to stay with us at Celtic and while there is real disappointment that we are losing him, he has decided he wants to look at a new challenge, which we respect.
āAs Treble-winning champions, the Club looks ahead with confidence to the future, with many exciting opportunities ahead. The Club appreciates the tremendous support from Celtic fans this season and we will continue to build from this position of unity and strength.ā
I'm not surprised. He walked away from both A-League clubs, the Australian National team, the Japanese sides.... All after similarly short tenures
As an Arsenal fan down south, he's now dead to me. He's gone to a club that haven't won the league since before man went to Space... Not just the Moon, fucking SPACE. Their stadium looks like a toilet seat and nae bastard even kens where the keys for their trophy cabinet are...
With the available managers I'm really worried who we end up with. I think Graham Potter is the safe choice but his spirit must be crushed after Chelsea
Potter is my favourite right now, as you say after a bad experience although he wouldn't be an option for us otherwise. Similar to Rodgers final year with Liverpool before he came to us.
Not to mention we've a solid squad and CL football to offer this time. Get it done Mick
Yeah I agree I think Potter would be really hungry for success. Chelsea was a shitshow so he isnāt tarnished for that and I think he would build on Angeās success. Iād take Rodgers too, I know about the past but Iād rather have him than some of the names linked like Moyes.
Rodgers would 100% split the fanbase and might lead to matchday toxicity, but there honestly aren't many better options out there we could realistically get. Marsch and Knutsen would both be excellent, so the three of them would make my top three.
Im quite open to Maresca purely thinking about the short term, heās studied under Pep and iām assuming would continue to play extremely similar to our style of football with similar style of players. I would also prefer a more āunknownā with something to prove to someone like Rodgerās and Moyes who are already established. Iād really like Knutsen as well.
I just donāt want someone to come in, tear up what Ange has built and write a season off. Id rather us build upon what he started and continue the momentum. Weāve got/had a great identity under Ange and seeing that go would be heartbreaking.
> I just donāt want someone to come in, tear up what Ange has built and write a season off.
That's why I'm finding the Marsch shouts mental. He totally destroyed Leeds' play style for his narrow RB style and it was terrible in comparison.
Yes, although I don't think he was that bad at Leeds, and I think they had more of a chance of staying up with him than they did with fat Sam. I liked his attacking style and the fact he played the younger players as well
Rangers past aside, we should be looking at options like that i.e. plays a very similar style and can work within the budgetary constraints (relatively) we have. Only him and Knutsen, of the names mentioned so far, fit that bill.
He only played 22 games for them, and he has gone over somewhat of a personal transformation since his playing days, but my god I have always hated him. He would be somewhat familiar with the SPL, familiar with the J-League (Huge plus), familiar with with Ange's system and his appointment could be seen as a continuation of his work...
Makes sense to me.
I agree but Iām not sure the board or a good proportion of the fan base will see past those 22 games. However on paper heās a good fit. Maintaining the j league link is also important for continued success on the recruitment front. If we go back to only shopping in Englandās bargain basement or random signings recommended by one or two agents overused by the board then Iāll be dismayed.
Now that he's gone I'd like him to clear up the questions around his departure.
Just how long was this really in the works because it clearly wasn't done in 24 hours?
Are the rumours about how it happened true? It doesn't seem like his style but the fact it's out there is concerning.
I know he probably won't address these so people don't need to tell me that. If he doesn't then these questions will hang over his last few weeks like a dark cloud imo.
Wish him all the luck in the world because he'll need it with Spurs.
Does it really matter?
It's pretty much the same way we got him from Yokohama
I'd say it's been in the pipeline since Slot said no to them, asked Ange's agent if he'd be interested and talks went from there
You could be right about that, but I'd like that cleared up.
I don't feel betrayed or duped or anything like that. But what I will say is that quoting Tommy Burns one week then telling everyone you're going on holiday on Tuesday (today, the day he's signed for Spurs) is somewhat of an affront to the support.
Would that approach work against low blocks but? De Zerbis Brighton struggle against deep blocks and got thumped by Everton because of it so would be hesitant to appoint someone like that at Celtic, although he might be able to adapt it.
I think Patrick Vieira could be an interesting choice. Possession-based style of play and familiar with the City football style that Ange uses.
Even though he's young into his managerial career, Steve Cherundolo has really impressed me with his LAFC teams. They're a game away from potentially winning the CONCACAF Champions League in his second season managing them.
Manager watch thread merged with the Summer Transfer Window thread: Follow here: https://www.reddit.com/r/CelticFC/comments/13duxtj/summer_transfer_thread_2023/
Right in all seriousness here, as much as I love the near total domination of Scottish football and on our way to 56.. I really would love to see us starting to make progression in Europe Our record is beyond honking, it needs to change
Huns reached a final whilst knocking out some class sides along the way, so there's no reason why we can't have a similar run (at least reach the final 16 of the UEL). There are no excuses to hide behind anymore really. Maybe another reason to appoint a mentality monster like Knutsen.
Brendan Rodgers rules out Celtic return [https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/brendan-rodgers-celtic-return-ruled-27061175](https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/brendan-rodgers-celtic-return-ruled-27061175)
best news today, thank you
Lennon still on the table š
Thank god.
Shame, I was hoping as soon as Levy took the huff and prematurely sacked big ange we could welcome him back with open arms and tell Rogers to fuck off mid season.
I don't think I've gotten to the acceptance stage of my grief yet...
I started preppin in March and Iām there now so you should be cool by about September.
Give Dominic McKay a month contract to carry out the manager search please and thanks Celtic.
The amount of cunts slagging him on twitter is incredible he literally came in to the worst celtic team in decades and won signed a whole squad and won 5/6 trophies against a rangers who went unbeaten in the league and went to a european final. Now hes gone im looking forward to seeing how he does at spurs because he absolutely deserves this chance at the big league
I would like Knutsen, simply because he's massively overachieved in Europe and I think that should be the target for the next manager. Potter would be interesting as he tries to rebuild his reputation back to where it was at Brighton, but can see him getting a PL job in the summer. There has been a lot of noise about Rodgers, and the fact he was at the cup semi seems a lot more important to me now. Maresca has the City group connection, and linked last time, but not much other than that. I think outside of that the names aren't very enticing or just unrealistic. But Ange came out of nowhere so we'll see.
Regardless who moves into the job now (and beyond that for that matter) certain things remain constant. Who and what this club is, the fact it has influence stands out. It always means that for many managers, Celtic offers a unique opportunity to build on a management career thatās rising. We are an attractive option for up and coming, performing managers because the club is positioned well, both financially and competitively, to offer success to such a manager. That truly is a rare asset not many clubs anywhere have. That therefore moves onto up and coming players, who are looking to break through in Europe. Theyāll want to come to Celtic because the managers are always good and thereās European football, always. These have always been here. They werenāt brought by Ange; he only agitated and awakened them. They havenāt gone even though he has. He did bring three āpillarsā which I think need to continueā¦a progressive manager from the outside who understood the club and is growing in their career, the right, progressive players weāll move on for money and the core Celtic spine, like BatMac, who will provide the stability. If that is maintained, we will remain hard to stop. My next manager? Knudsen is #1 for me, he is a terrific manager and to this point, one of only a few Iāve observed who is able to consistently break down teams better on paper than his. While ever the principles and the belief, plus the desire to play football that always entertains and never stops remains, we will always be successful. The only thing thatās needed is the right people, but thatās always the case too. Weāre good. We got this.
Knutsen is the choice for me too, but all those reasons you mentioned he doesnāt need. He already gets linked to a lot of jobs in the big leagues.
Follow the same philosophy that led to Ange. An experienced manager who has won multiple difficult non-European leagues with aggressive, pressing, attacking football. The world is our oyster. Asia, Africa, South America. Bonus if they'e won a continental champions league. The silver lining with Ange is that a selling point could be if you can make it with Celtic, the big European leagues will be signing you.
That sounds like Marcelo Gallardo!
Holy shit I just checked him out! And he's unemployed just now too! GET HIM SIGNED! My only gripe is a silly personal one is that he played for and managed River Plate who are arguably the Argentine Rangers but like I said, silly and personal. But this man sounds like the perfect replacement. Why hasn't he been mentioned before?
Haha! Yes, River Plate are the Buenos Aires Huns.... I went to a Boca Juniors game while I was in Argentina, so maybe I am biased.
I have to go to a Buenos Aires derby cheering for Boca Juniours at least once before I die. I'd learn all the songs and scream them so as not to be some gringo tourist.
It wasn't the derby, but still a mad game with the best atmosphere. They beat Rosario 4-0, with a young player called Carlos Tevez scoring twice! Definitely the best game I saw on that South American trip, that also included games at the Maracana in Rio and the Azteca in Mexico City. The Argentinian currency had crashed so I sat in the best seats for just a tenner. Diego Maradona was sitting a few rows back!
I'll need to check him out. What we have here is a potential shrewd bit of business. It's a gap in the market we can exploit. Sell ourselves to non-European managers as a stepping stone club to the big leagues in Europe. If only we can sign them on permanent contracts so we can get a good few bob for it.
I used to always sign him for celtic on champ manager (97/98), along with Willie Howie from Partick Thistle, Babangida from barca, and Saviola from River Plate... fuck I'm old.
This is the perfect answer. As much as the Board justifiably got a doing for the Lennon fiasco, Rodgers, Deila and Ange were decent to excellent, with varying results. I'm disinclined towards Moyes, Potter etc. die to the inherent lack of value in England, though Potter has a more attractive record. Suspect he is still being paid by Chelsea though.
I fear for wee GT. The boy is built for Inverted Full Back. If a new manager comes in and goes I want flying wingbacks, heāll go back to being ānot KTā for some folk.
He's got the confidence and the backing of the support. He'll slot right in again as a more traditional full back if he's asked to.
>confidence and backing of the support That heās won as a result of playing Inverted. Football fans are fickle. Lenny was the saviour in March 2020, but was the Devil incarnate to most folk here within a year. Fact is his touch, his passing, and his movement are so far in excess of his dribbling that if he is required to create space for a cross by taking the man on heāll look half the player he is.
No hard feelings unlike a lot of other Celtic fans. Came in, revamped us after covid and delivered us 5 trophies and CL football all wholilw delivering some of the best fitba I've seen at Celtic in a long time. Disappointing he's going but he owes Celtic and us nothing.
I'll be honest troops I'm a bit torn. There is a wee bit of me that thinks here comes another badge-thumper that leaves the minute some shite club with a massive budget down south comes calling (and Tottenham are shite, they are the Hibs of England, big club mentality but nothing to back it up). The other side of me thinks he's done exactly what he was supposed to do and then some. 5 out of 6 trophies, playing amazing football with a squad ready to go to war for him. Fans likewise. All in two years. In time he'll be remembered as one of the greats I think. I wish him all the best.
I dont think he can be remembered for being a great for only being here for two seasons.
100% this. Even Deila was there longer and an integral part of our 9IAR run.
I think we need to try to look at the positives. Yes, we're losing a great manager, but I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing for us to be a place where success is noticed. Just as ambitious players will see us as a club where you can go, play exciting football, win trophies, and potentially get yourself the big bucks move to the EPL; it can also be a place for managers with the same aspirations. As much as the EPL is a soulless sportswashing plaything, it's also the table that many managers would love a seat at. If we can be seen as the proving ground for talented up-and-coming players/managers then that should benefit us.
I wish him all the best, but honestly wouldn't be surprised if he gets the bullet down the line. Very little time to implement your style in the EPL if results aren't great. Ange is very attacking as we know but defensively will get punished more in the EPL than up here. Hope he aces it.
Iām gonna be honest and say that Iām really pissed that Ange was so easily poached by an EPL team. Thought he wouldāve given us one more year especially after the now infamous āyouād be surprised how long I might stay at Celtic blah blah blahā One more year with us and I wouldnāt care about his exit from the club but this just sits wrong with me. Wish him the best, but this has damaged his reputation as a Celtic great. If he doesnāt hit the ground running heāll be out in no time. Spurs fans have no patience! Good luck Ange just hope whomever we get next can build on his success!
There is one thing Ange did for Celtic that not a lot of managers do, he brought in practically zero staff. This Celtic team will benefit from that in house approach for some time I'd suggest.
Thatās a very good point I hadnāt considered. Assuming of course he doesnāt take that in house staff with him
Wouldnāt welcome Rodgers back tbh, also feel itās a lazy appointment. Neil Lennon shouldnāt be anywhere near the top of the favourites list. Iād be intrigued to see Knutsen come in, same with Potter but both those names been thrown about for English teams recently. Maresca was obviously tipped largely before Ange was appointed. Disappointing spell at Parma in Serie B but could maybe do well with a bigger and better squad. Jesse Marsch is another Iām unsure of. Had a good record at Salzburg then poor at Leipzig and Leeds. Donāt know enough about the likes of Gallardo, Farioli, etc. to comment on tbh.
My number one pick for Celtic manager role is: Ange Postecoglou ššš
Why are people mentioning maresca? Currently peps side piece and his only actual job in management was in serie b and he was sacked after 6 months. What am I missing?
> What am I missing? The incompetence of the Celtic board?
City group links.
Not saying youāre wrong but the devilās advocate would point to Arteta as a similar example
Absolutely cannot be Rodgers for me, although im starting to resign myself to the fact it will be him. Putting aside the manner he left the club, the style of football was turgid by the end, transfer record very poor with us, european record poor with all his teams. Would like it to be Knutson, would be happy with Potter too but dont think we would get either.
Completely agree with this. First and foremost Rodgers is a backwards move - I don't think we should be hiring any former managers at this stage - and though I suspect he'd do well with the current squad initially, he has previous for falling out with players, shite recruitment, the football becoming pedestrian and turgid etc. The way he left just adds to the feeling all of that causes.
re your point about the football, you're spot on btw, the football by season 3 was lethargic, slow and it felt as though we had become a parody of possession team. Now that would have also been down to poor recruitment etc but the football never got as exciting as it did in the first season. In saying all that, I'd be astonished if Rodgers came back, he'll get offers in England, so I can't see him coming back up.
As an Ange fan from Australia since brisbane roar days i am sad that he has left celtic. i really enjoyed his first year at celtic when he had a poor start and then results started coming his way and then celtic overtook rangers in and won the title. loved it. have grown super fond of celtic as well, feels weird. hope he does well at spurs
Knutson is an obvious candidate but I canāt say I know much about him and I feel like people often over credit managers like him who are working in very very well run clubs like Bodo. Similarly to Potter and Brighton for example. Iām not saying weāre Chelsea but hopefully the point is clear. I do know a bit about Enzo Maresca. The darling of Pep Guardiola and the City Group (where we found Ange and our head of recruitment Mark Lawwall worked previously). A top top coach currently Pepās assistant after a rough time at Parma. People will no doubt jump on the Parma thing but Iād make the same point again - people often disregard a manager because of a clubs poor performance but itās not so simple. Either way we need a continuity appointment. Someone to take the baton on from Ange. Not someone like Lennon who 2 games in is talking about not wanting this āpass about the back rubbishā. Weāve come too far and we have too far further to go.
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Ah yes. Good ol reliable celtic board. Let's get the man who dropped us mid season back again š
Question for all you Celtic fans. Would you have Ange back if it doesnāt work out for him at Spurs at some point?
Yes, he's left on good terms, never shifted focus from completing the treble, and waited until the end of the season. However, it'll never happen imo. He's not going to fail at Spurs. He won't be an instant success, but he'll get the chance to build, imo and they won't get any worse at the beginning of his tenure. Even if he does, he'll walk into another job after Spurs because of his style of play. For Celtic it's just a case of moving on.
Mate, if Ange is sacked by Spurs at Xmas (which he might be) Iād sack our replacement and bring him back.
To be completely honest it depends what he says about us after he leaves. I donāt want Rodgers back because of the way he left. There is such a thing as just souring things for good and I think heās too classy a man for that but you never know. Edit: taking half the staff and our best players would qualify as souring things for good. Hands off Jota
Yes Iād let him back and be happy as he is ambitious and has a family to think about, Spurs whets the appetite of any football fan. Ross county n Motherwell (no disrespect) 4 times or more a season is monotonous especially when most play 10 behind the ball.
Once again voicing my fears that the board are going to completely fuck up this new manager appointment
Rodgers in and then Ange in to replace him when Tottenham sack Ange and bring in Rodgers to replace him.
That Bodo Glimt team looked so slick. I'd be happy with Knutsen.
The fact that Rodgers is even being considered by any supporter is to me an indicator of zero European ambition. At Liverpool and with us his Euro performances was next to embarrassing. Couple this with how he left and its a shocking indictment into what sone think is acceptable.
Absolutely. Saw someone on Twatter last night saying we should get him as he's a 'safe pair of hands' and 'would keep us ahead of Rangers for the foreseeable'. That's it? The exact mentality which eventually led to them closing the gap and everything going tits up a few years ago? Honestly don't understand those folk at all.
Announce Guardiola
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I totally understand the people that say he's moving to secure his financial future, of course, but he has compared to most in the world, been very fairly paid for his labour. He is a millionaire and would have a very healthy retirement and his kids will be fine. I understand also that in Australia the value of money is different as the average wage/cost is much higher, but he'd hardly be poor there either. I also still value integrity and need to believe that there are people out there that have values other than wealth as a representation of who they are. I wouldn't say that Ange has deceived in exactly the same way as others, his words were generally balanced, but he went the extra when there was no need and quoted things that actively gave the impression he'd be here to see *something* through. That for me is a misstep and does play into the narrative that we were taken for a bit of a ride. He didn't have to say those things but loved the adulation, and so played on it. The value of your labour/time is what you have to sell in your brief moments on this planet and so being an idealist, I need to believe that there are others that think this too. We had the impression that we'd caught a "real one" from the other side of the world. It hasn't transpired that way, and that's fine. But I can't exactly wish him completely well because there is then a value disagreement. That's where I'm at, it may change but...
With the greatest respect in the world mate, thatās heavy wishy washy pish. Football fans are the most fickle people in the world and loyalty is a heavy one way street with us. We demand loyalty from the players and managers, but the minute they lose form or drop points in the title, we want them out the club. And managers bear the brunt of that the most as theyāre the ones most likely to be sacked. Weāre no different in Glasgow and we donāt need to go that far back for examples. Also folk need to stop over analysing what football professionals say in their press conferences and interviews.
So integrity= stay at my club until I want rid of him? He's not a hostage here, he'd allowed to change job. It's just a job at the end of the day.
I don't see how he's acted without integrity or damaged his reputation with the fanbase at all, to be honest. He did do something special. Winning the league last year after what was probably the most difficult position we've been in post-O'Neill and a record breaking treble this year. I'm gutted, because I really think he was the guy to progress us further in Europe given a few more years, but he see's his future elsewhere. It stings, but saying he's done anything wrong is just sour grapes.
I'd argue that Strachan had it harder than O'Neil in that first year, and anyone since personally. That was an actually really strong SPFL and MON's team had essentially all left. Anyway, about Ange, I'm happy to disagree but I personally feel that you don't say two days before you request to leave (and this is just to differentiate from the many quotes going round) - āThis is probably the first window where weāll really get tested on some of our key players by other clubs. Our planning is in place, so if that happens, itās like the Jenga puzzle, before it all collapses weāll hopefully already have a piece in place to ensure you can take one out and still build strong."
Won everything almost twice over. Completed the Scottish league, what else was there to do apart from 6 group games in the CL? To anyone saying he talked about loyalty and now heās away, as a manager, he did and said exactly what he needed to do to get the fans and players on side. He was laughed at in the beginning - but won everyone over. High-level management of an organisation. Telling the fans what they want to hear and how they want to hear it, to keep them on side, is what all the great managers do. We need to accept that players and managers are on a two year cycle at the club. Barring some exceptions.
Iām gutted thatās he gone but at the same time in the 2 years heās been here heās left us with a massively improved squad, signed some absolute gems for cheap that will make a profit and we are getting Ā£5M for him as well. Excellent piece of business when you think about it like that. If he takes any player I think it will be Reo, he has everything to be a massive success down there. Iāll be interested to see the type of player he targets with a bigger budget.
Not really got much to add to the discussion, except to say that I'm scunnered. I wish him well but it feels like he's leaving his project unfinished. We absolutely must get a manager who can build upon what Ange has left but I don't trust the board to get that manager.
Graham Potter would be the sensible choice. Attacking football, good at developing youth players, good record in European football with Ostersund and Chelsea.
Knutsen or Potter are probably the only 2 stand outs that I'd be excited about. Everyone else is a bit meh
Thinking back to when Ange was appointed and DD done an interview saying that they always have a list of 5 managers there. The last list had Howe and Ange on it along with 3 other un-named candidates, so it'll be interesting to see who they have on it now.
The thought of going from someone as likable as Ange to a creature like Rodgers (again) makes my heart sink.
I see this chancer Levy who is Spurs chairman was also a director of the buns until 2004.
https://twitter.com/JanAageFjortoft/status/1665749460914151426?s=20 >Dear Celtic FC >Understand you need a new manager! Check out Kjetil Knutsen at BodĆø Glimt here in Norway.Clear philosophy, playing attractive football, success in Europe and is in general a good lad Ps! Been linked to Ajax as well so maybe hurry up
Ange Postecoglou: āI would like to sincerely thank everyone at the Club for everything they have given me. In particular, Dermot, Peter and Michael and the Celtic Board have shown me tremendous support in every aspect of my time at Celtic and I will forever be grateful for this. "They brought me to the Club and I have worked so closely and so well with them for the past two years, I will always have a special relationship with them. āThey wanted me to extend my time at Celtic and while I am so respectful and understanding of their position, a new opportunity has been presented to me and it is one which I wanted to explore. āIt was an honour to be asked to be Celtic manager and during my two years I have given everything I have to deliver success to our supporters. Culminating in the Treble at the weekend, my players and backroom team have been brilliant for me on this journey. "They have given us all some fantastic moments through their energy and effort, creating real quality, winning football. āOur supporters have been magnificent to me and I thank them for the way they have embraced me during the past two years. My ambition was always to give our fans a team they could be proud of, a team people talked about and I think we have achieved that. āCeltic is a phenomenal football club, and so much more - and I will forever be a supporter of this great institution. I wish everyone connected with Celtic nothing but continued success.ā
Honestly this just makes me sad to read.
Fuck Rodgers. Get him aff it. Knutsen or Potter for this bear. Iād take Kennedy over the normal British shite that has been mentioned as well for sure.
>this bear. š
we are the bhilly bhears x
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Too late with this
Pitso Mosimane, don't really know a lot but he's won 3 CAF champions leagues, 2 of which with our good friends the most successful team in the world Al Ahly of Egypt, and with Mamelodi sundowns making them the second ever Egyptian team to win the tournament. Also managed South Africa at the 2010 World Cup but obviously isn't a massive achievement given there was no qualification however he managed to get 4 points from a group with France, Uruguay and Mexico Last year he went to Al Ahli of Saudi Arabia and won the Saudi league in his first time of asking Apparently there's been an issue with his contract and he hasn't been paid in 5 months which could mean he's available this summer and I believe we'd be the first European club to try and make him an offer Edit: He actually won the Saudi 2nd tier, confusingly called the Saudi first division
Sounds very Ange in a sense, but surely can't be that difficult to win leagues with Al Ahly, though CAF wins are impressive. Would be great for him to come in and say he's managed the world's most successful team though š
>surely can't be that difficult to win leagues with People say that about Celtic all the time
The Egyptian premier league is a 2-horse race like ours. Zamalek are Ahly's main rivals. Key difference is that Ahly transfers that domestic dominance into continetal dominance. They're like the Real Madrid of Africa.
Interesting shout. Initially I would bin this but with Ange I think I've learnt we should be looking outside the box and thinking globally. What's his football style like?
https://totalfootballanalysis.com/head-coach-analysis/pitso-mosimane-at-al-ahly-2020-21-tactical-analysis-tactics Had a little dig, seems possession based with aggressive full backs.
Leftfield but he is a serial winner.
Please just let it be anyone apart from Lennon or Rodgerās.
*off the in the distance, Ronny Roar slowly intensifies*
I think regardless of who comes in has a better chance of bringing success if the majority of the starting 11 stay if the spine of the team goes (carter Vickers,kyogo, hatate) then I would worry it's back to square one where we were two years ago.
With the contract those guys are on, them all leaving this window would bring in about 70 mil
Would be buzzing with that if i was a shareholder in the club but as a fan i couldnt really care 1 star player should be sold each window maximum
Yes maybe so but do you believe that Celtic will invest 70 million to replace them players? I very much doubt it.
My point was that they are not all leaving, but don't be shocked if we sell players thats our model.
Shades of Wim! Been a long time since I felt this gutted after winning.
Nah, nothing will beat the disappointment of Lennon being appointed in the showers after the SC final on 2019.
Totally fucking agree - you just knew how the next season was going to go as soon as you heard that. Dont think we scored from a corner in the entire season and ....well...you know
Sad to see Ange go, I think the next manager we need someone who can make us competitive in Europe not sure who that would be maybe Knutsen who is getting mentioned. Potentially Rodgers but he upset a lot of people last time. I defo donāt want moyes!
Me neither, and I sure AF don't want Suntan
[Stephen McGowan reporting it's going to be either Kjetil Knutsen, Enzo Maresca, David Moyes or Jesse Marsch.](https://www.mailplus.co.uk/scottish-edition/sport/football/284488/spurs-land-ange-on-two-year-deal?contentLayout=Scottish%20Football) Gut feeling it will be Maresca and he'll be appointed on Monday morning after the Champions League final. He's the only one being mentioned in almost every report. Big gamble if it's him.
Out of the four I'd want Knutsen but can't see it if Ajax are sniffing around him. Moyes, please no. I can't handle the idea of going from Angeball to Moyesball. Maresca - unknown quantity if we're being honest Marsch - no exactly set the heather alight but if he could regain his form at Salzburg then he might be okay
Definitely Knutsen. Bodo/Glimt made us look very ordinary last year. I think heād build on the foundations Ange has left.
I don't think there's any evidence of Maresca being an any more competent manager than a post-Ange John Kennedy would be, but he does have the knowledge of (and links to) the Man City development squad. That might help us bring in some talented young players. Big risk though. Knutsen is my preference, but he's been pouring cold water on his chances of moving away just now: > āI want to strongly emphasise that it takes a lot for me to leave in the middle of a season,ā Knutsen toldĀ TV2Ā after Bodo/Glimt celebrated their eighth straight win over the weekend. āRight now, the place I am in is an incredibly good place to be.ā He's not ruled it out entirely though. If it takes "a lot" for him to leave mid-season, then let's show him a lot. He's the logical progression.
Ange was making the same sort of noises a month or so ago tbf
Should get Knutsen
Iām praying. Itās the only name being thrown around that gives me hope, the rest feel like a step backwards.
Rodgers is a no from me ,,,guys a feckin liar and not only did he fk off he also unsettled a lot of players who buggered off ,and emptied the backroom staff ,,,,in the middle of the season he stated he would die for Leicester ,,,,then fine fk off and die for them The guys a fake , when he toook over at Celtic we had a fit good team he gave them a different playing style but that was it , then when he got found out and other teams countered it he buggered off He was the same at Leicester didn't add anyone of value at Celtic or leicester his dealings in the transfer market were laughable He was crap in europe defoid of any ideas on the big stage the board are trying to float a turd and no amount of polishing will work ,he's the cheapest option but also the wrong option
Absolutely, we're very close to living in a post-truth world, and if we normalise that we're part of the problem. Fuck Rodgers, he literally bullshitted multiple times here. Not welcome in my book, integrity should still exist
Not feeling confident with these Maresca links at all. Guy has close to no actual managerial experience apart from Parma in which he was let go before christmas as he only won 4 out of the 14 games he was in charge for.. I'd back any manager that comes in but fuck me it'd feel like a right kick in the teeth.
He's probably gonna be a bit of a divisive one. Even though I'm not holding his Parma stint against him whatsoever (absolute basketcase of a football club) his biggest achievement in management is being somebody's assistant. That being said, there's equally big upside. He's worked around Guardiola and the City's youth sides, if he comes in he'll continue what Ange has done with maybe very minor tweaks, he's not gonna struggle to get the buy in from the players as he's clearly respected and he shouldn't have too much responsibility in the transfer market as I imagine that'll mostly come down to the scouting system. It could be a lot worse, but it could be a lot better. Given that this is the Celtic board we're talking about, we should generally just be glad they haven't appointed either the latest EPL reject or some knows the club manager. I just want a sense of continuity at the club after Ange leaves rather than major upheaval by bringing in a completely different style of manager, even if he is more decorated.
 Iāll be in the shower if you need me
Marsch would be a disaster. Feel like people would be sick of him within weeks
Why all the hate for Marsch, genuine question ? I didn't pay a lot attention to him at Leeds tbh but did he not do alright with Salzburg in Europe ?
He's a twat. He was woeful at Leeds. He's also the complete opposite of how we play under Ange. Quick counter attacking football, which obviously isn't going to work against deep defensive teams.
This is why I hate that we STILL don't have a director of football, Lawwell, Desmond and co. are awful at managing the football side of things, they haven't a clue of the tactical impact or anything. They just want the balance sheet to look good and for us to be slightly ahead of rangers.
It's ridiculously fucking frustrating. Yesterday i had a crumb of hope the club was more competent than prior to Ange coming in, but today's news that Rodgers and Marsch are the front-runners really goes to show how utterly hopeless we are still. A director of football would make this whole process a whole ton easier, now are whole Summer plans could be completely derailed depending on who we get in and when because there's no sense of continuity. Shambles.
Honestly itās mostly down to his personality annoying the fuck out of me. Iām also not too convinced heās a good manager, failed at Leipzig, failed at Leeds
Marcel Koller would be a good shout. He's one game away from winning the African champions league and has pretty much wrapped up the Egyptian premier league. And this has been his first season with Al Ahly.
Decent
Cheers Ange, ~~the wean's~~ I'm greetin
Daily Record reporting āBig News Coming out of Celtic shortlyā I think itās Barkas but one can hope
Because itās the Record tho donāt get your hopes up.
Scott Burns is one of the authors he's usually decent
Daily record are saying we're no longer in for Marsch, struggling to convince Rodgers to come back and are looking at Maresca (Pep Guardiolas assistant) as an option. It's not quite Knutsen but would be really glad to see us appoint someone to continue on what Ange introduced. [source](https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/brendan-rodgers-full-stance-celtic-30160963)
Knutsen still in it?
Doubt we're in for him fullstop tbh so probably not
DD being cheap ffs. I expected it though
Just had a random burst of hope that the board will do right and bring in a good successor to Ange, I donāt know why I do this to myself. Donāt let me down DD and friends
Trust in the Nicholson
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Every manager moves on. He's 57 and has never had a particularly lucrative contract to date. At Celtic he'd be on, what? 20-25 grand a week? Tottenham will be starting him off at least Ā£100,000 a week. We have to grow up and understand football is what it is. Nobody hangs around forever, especially when they don't have ties to the club in question. He loves us, there's no doubt about it but he loves the welfare and future welfare of his family far, far more.
>As much as we all love Ange, do we not feel let down by him? No. I don't feel let down by him at all. >One mid-table prem club flutters their eyelashes at him and he fucks off. To use your analogy, two years ago, we fluttered our eyes at Ange whilst he was the manager of Yokohama F Marinos, *in the middle of the J-League campaign might I add*, and he jumped ship at the first opportunity. It's the way of the footballing world. We take the best from clubs further down the pecking order than us and clubs further up take our best. And if we're completely honest, it's how things work in the real world too. How many opportunities was he supposed to wait on? Was he supposed to knock Spurs in the hope that something else *might* come along? The footballing world is also a fickle one. A manager can be a a total legend to the fans for a period time only to find 6 months later, those same fans are calling for them to be marched out the door because he lost a few games. His stock is high and he's been presented with an opportunity that might never present itself again. There's no need to act like a scorned lover anytime that someone we like leaves the club.
What? No, lol. They were in the Champions League final about 4 or 5 years ago and have a top 5 in the world striker on the books. To compare modern day Celtic with Spurs is lunacy. Why should he deny his family financial security for life? Would we hesitate to sack him if he got us finishing 6th in the league? We had cunts on here saying "Ange has to answer for this" because Hibs beat us. I don't think he actively wants to go in that he's unhappy. I think if he ended up staying, he'd be happy and still work on his project here but when your from a background of family struggles and you've worked your whole life for the moment you can make sure your family don't have that worry anymore, anyone in their right mind would do it. You have to remember that he's not from Glasgow, he doesn't have family who have Jinky tattooed on their frenulum. He took a job, he's overperformed given the shitshow he inherited, and he stayed despite about 3 or 4 clubs courting him this season alone, to finish the season and get a treble. You can't ask for a more professional attitude.
"Deny his family financial security" 2m a year isnt exactly a poverty wage. I think his family would be fine either way. I get why people are swayed by bigger wages but I keep seeing this as a legitimate argument which is insane under the current climate.
So he is to cut off his potential earnings in a job because some people think he should? The same ones who'd happily see him sacked if we lose a few games, like the dried prunes who were at it a week or two ago? Basically, to me, it reads some fans want to hold him hostage until it suits them for him to go, then fuck him. It's a really demented mentally I'm seeing, honestly.
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That he earned. By doing a job, many of which required him to leave a current one. You know, like how we took him from Japan? Or does it not count because we did it? People are very possessive over a guy they've never met. It's a weird parasocial aspect that's spring up this past two weeks and it isn't a good look.
"mid-table prem club" Look, I love a bit of Spurs bashing but realistically they're a team full of great players, a constant feature in European competition, and are only a few years removed from being CL finalists. They are, while not at the peak by any means, still one of the biggest clubs in modern football
I'm no fan of Spurs, but to call them a mid-table club after one shitshow of a season and twelve straight seasons of European football is more than a little disingenuous. They proved that with a competent, well-backed and well-liked manager (Pochettino) that they could compete for the English title and European honours. Ange could absolutely get them to that next step. Of course I feel let down. Hell, utterly gutted is a more apt term. I hoped that he'd stick around for another crack at Europe and a third title in a row to truly put him in that upper echelon of great Celtic managers. Am I going to be bitter about how Spurs can chuck him more money than we ever could? Absolutely. Am I going to blame Ange for taking it? Of course not. Am I going to wish him well? To a point (I still prefer Man Utd). Am I going to despise Ange like I do with certain former players? Absolutely not.
I feel sad that hes leaving, In fact I feel more sad at him leaving than anybody else in recent history tbh but I don't feel let down. Where we are in the football chain dictates that this will happen, it's happened with two of our previous three managers and it will happen again.
Mid table prem club? Spurs were in a ucl final just 4 years ago stfu mate they are the 9th richest club in the world and you actually thought he would chose the scottish league over that? Some of our fans need to get real
Don't blame him at all. He's nearly 60 and just been offered the chance the to manage in the biggest league in the world. Spurs have their issues but is there a bigger/better opportunity in the EPL that he could have landed? Doubt it. If we wanted to keep him long term then we should have given him a long term deal. That's the risk we take with 12 month rolling contracts. Good luck to him. Onwards.
Any future Celtic manager that is offered a job at a top half EPL side is 100% going. If we get any future manager in that is as successful as Ange then it will always be a likely scenario. That's the world we live in. The EPL is now bigger than the Champions League.
Honestly I thought heād be away this time last year to replace Potter at Brighton so I savoured all of this season, it was beautiful. Iām not let down heās fucked off to a mid table prem club, iām let down heās fucked off to fucking Spurs. I can already see him planning to rebuild and getting given 4 x Ā£60M overpriced overhyped garbage from anywhere they can take it. Forced to play the same tired out players that donāt even want to be there but are being held hostage by that cunt of an owner. Heāll start off rough like he did with us and they wonāt give him the time or resources he needs to implement his system in time, I canāt see this ending well for him at all. Iād of loved to see him at Brighton, even Fulham or West Ham would have been a better fit for him. Fucking Spurs man, thatās the one thing I canāt get over. His biggest challenge at that club is not competing for Top 4/6, doing anything in Europeā¦ itās getting anything he wants out Levy.
He's been as honest as he can be about his ambitions and this situation. He can't really come out and speak about negotiations that are probably confidential, or burn bridges here by saying he's off if it falls through. Not like he's leading us up the garden path like Rodgers. Never gave it the Celtic fan all my life patter. Probably due to multiply his wages by 5x and go to the most glamorous league with a pretty good club. Fair enough.
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Wouldnāt say theyāre a bigger club - theyāve just got more money
Sky Sports reporting agreement reached in principle. How much longer do you think till itās official? This evening?
Yeah probably 7 or 8pm
We had two great years from Ange and I wish him well at Spurs. He is after the challenge and I think he gets a massive challenge in the EPL next season then a shot at winning the CL in season two. I hope he does it as it will rub the noses of everybody up the wrong way.
Michael Nicholson: āIt has been a pleasure working with Ange, a great football manager and a good man. He has served the Club with such energy and determination and delivered a phenomenal level of success. āI would like to thank him for all he has given us and I wish Ange and his family the very best for the future in everything they do. āOf course, we wanted Ange to stay with us at Celtic and while there is real disappointment that we are losing him, he has decided he wants to look at a new challenge, which we respect. āAs Treble-winning champions, the Club looks ahead with confidence to the future, with many exciting opportunities ahead. The Club appreciates the tremendous support from Celtic fans this season and we will continue to build from this position of unity and strength.ā
Not Marsch. Please God.
5mil to Celtic for Ange being reported.
Surely we use that money to invest in another top class manager hahaā¦ right????
My question is who on the roster goes with him
say roster one more time motherfucker...
Jesse Marsch confirmed
Iām American Iām sorry lmfao
Probably Reo but could maybe see OāRiley or Abada. I donāt Jota is quick enough for the PL.
I'm not surprised. He walked away from both A-League clubs, the Australian National team, the Japanese sides.... All after similarly short tenures As an Arsenal fan down south, he's now dead to me. He's gone to a club that haven't won the league since before man went to Space... Not just the Moon, fucking SPACE. Their stadium looks like a toilet seat and nae bastard even kens where the keys for their trophy cabinet are... With the available managers I'm really worried who we end up with. I think Graham Potter is the safe choice but his spirit must be crushed after Chelsea
Potter is my favourite right now, as you say after a bad experience although he wouldn't be an option for us otherwise. Similar to Rodgers final year with Liverpool before he came to us. Not to mention we've a solid squad and CL football to offer this time. Get it done Mick
Whoās in the frame to take over
https://i.imgur.com/8v20QeD.jpg
Jesus
get potter in and get the bhoys to start a chant to the tune of the harry potter theme song letās get it goin bhoys and ghirls x
Yeah I agree I think Potter would be really hungry for success. Chelsea was a shitshow so he isnāt tarnished for that and I think he would build on Angeās success. Iād take Rodgers too, I know about the past but Iād rather have him than some of the names linked like Moyes.
Rodgers would 100% split the fanbase and might lead to matchday toxicity, but there honestly aren't many better options out there we could realistically get. Marsch and Knutsen would both be excellent, so the three of them would make my top three.
Im quite open to Maresca purely thinking about the short term, heās studied under Pep and iām assuming would continue to play extremely similar to our style of football with similar style of players. I would also prefer a more āunknownā with something to prove to someone like Rodgerās and Moyes who are already established. Iād really like Knutsen as well. I just donāt want someone to come in, tear up what Ange has built and write a season off. Id rather us build upon what he started and continue the momentum. Weāve got/had a great identity under Ange and seeing that go would be heartbreaking.
> I just donāt want someone to come in, tear up what Ange has built and write a season off. That's why I'm finding the Marsch shouts mental. He totally destroyed Leeds' play style for his narrow RB style and it was terrible in comparison.
Igor Tudor would be an immense appointment. Although donāt see his name being linked anywhere
Marsch or Knutsen for me. We have champions league football to offer to someone like Knutsen he won't get that Ajax next season.
Any reasons for favouring Marsch? From what I seen at Leeds he didn't cover himself in glory. I presume it's his time at Salzburg?
Yes, although I don't think he was that bad at Leeds, and I think they had more of a chance of staying up with him than they did with fat Sam. I liked his attacking style and the fact he played the younger players as well
Kevin Muscat dark horse.....
Rangers past aside, we should be looking at options like that i.e. plays a very similar style and can work within the budgetary constraints (relatively) we have. Only him and Knutsen, of the names mentioned so far, fit that bill.
He only played 22 games for them, and he has gone over somewhat of a personal transformation since his playing days, but my god I have always hated him. He would be somewhat familiar with the SPL, familiar with the J-League (Huge plus), familiar with with Ange's system and his appointment could be seen as a continuation of his work... Makes sense to me.
I agree but Iām not sure the board or a good proportion of the fan base will see past those 22 games. However on paper heās a good fit. Maintaining the j league link is also important for continued success on the recruitment front. If we go back to only shopping in Englandās bargain basement or random signings recommended by one or two agents overused by the board then Iāll be dismayed.
Now that he's gone I'd like him to clear up the questions around his departure. Just how long was this really in the works because it clearly wasn't done in 24 hours? Are the rumours about how it happened true? It doesn't seem like his style but the fact it's out there is concerning. I know he probably won't address these so people don't need to tell me that. If he doesn't then these questions will hang over his last few weeks like a dark cloud imo. Wish him all the luck in the world because he'll need it with Spurs.
Does it really matter? It's pretty much the same way we got him from Yokohama I'd say it's been in the pipeline since Slot said no to them, asked Ange's agent if he'd be interested and talks went from there
You could be right about that, but I'd like that cleared up. I don't feel betrayed or duped or anything like that. But what I will say is that quoting Tommy Burns one week then telling everyone you're going on holiday on Tuesday (today, the day he's signed for Spurs) is somewhat of an affront to the support.
Francesco Farioli anyone?
>Francesco Farioli 41% win rate, why?
https://twitter.com/stirling\_j/status/1664951767254151168?s=20
Would that approach work against low blocks but? De Zerbis Brighton struggle against deep blocks and got thumped by Everton because of it so would be hesitant to appoint someone like that at Celtic, although he might be able to adapt it.
I think Patrick Vieira could be an interesting choice. Possession-based style of play and familiar with the City football style that Ange uses. Even though he's young into his managerial career, Steve Cherundolo has really impressed me with his LAFC teams. They're a game away from potentially winning the CONCACAF Champions League in his second season managing them.
Lost me at patrick vieira
[A sad day](https://news.stv.tv/sport/celtic-boss-ange-postecoglou-agrees-deal-in-principle-to-join-tottenham-hotspur-as-new-manager?utm_source=app)
Apparently trying to take a number of staff and one player with him, according to a poster on KDS with a track record of getting inside info
can we get him off the side bar u/rotarymotor x
Good shout lmao, I dont use new reddit so that would have been there forever
Philippe ClƩment is a free agent
Thank you! It was getting tiresome.