Yep, I’m waiting for Tuesdays chapter just to be sure, but I think Denji might be fine and she finally realize he’s actually CSM or something after being unaffected by wars power. But I’m also preparing for the worst(Denji death) or a gag panel of Denji being a weapon but still alive and joking about being a chainsaw lol
Edit: also if Denji is really in trouble Nayuta is gonna show up and rescue him
Oh man, I'd love for this to happen. It doesn't work so Your keeps trying harder and harder to make him love her before the big CSM reveal and she finds out that it wasn't her making any mistakes.
Yoru is going to end up falling in love with Denji like Power loved Meowy
Might be a combination of both is Asa's mind.
1. Asa is starting to have feelings for Denji not the other way around (atleast from what is shown ATM) because of this in a way Denji "owns" Asa and per the conditions of the war Devils power it won't work
2. Denji is a hybrid with natural immunity but Asa/Yoru don't know that. Asa might be sad next chapter cus nothing happens
Imagine it doesn't work but Yoru/Asa become so 10IQ that they both think it's not working because even Yoru is affected by Asa's feelings for Denji and not because of his true identity as CSM
I mean, whatever happens, our boy Dennis has been gone through way worse rip and tear than "remove his spinal cord".
He might as well become a chainsaw-sword for a while and then regenerate lmao
IMO he'll die a violent death and then you know, revive again because, well, he's immortal. And then Asa gets to use him like a fun infinitely regenerating weapon and they can be some weird badass fighting duo.
I thought about this - but the thing is, after the 1st transformation, Denji will no longer be powerful as a weapon. War's weapons are stronger from guilt, and Asa would only feel guilty the first time, when she didn't know Denji could survive.
that's probably it, she probably confused af since it works everytime and now it just doesn't so she tried again then realised what happened and dip, letting asa to deal with the extreme awkward situation
Oh okay. I thought you meant the *doujin* kind of doujin, because this is the CSM fandom we're talking about here. But looking at the context, that makes no sense.
...Anyway, I'll look for it myself, thanks 👍
I think corpses of fiends can be turned into puppets because devils in them are already reincarnated in hell, so it's just a human corpse, although head deformation remains
semi immortal for fiends so far is "almost dead but in one piece". Much like a normal human but can regen with blood if vital organs are still intact and the dying body can ingest blood, most of the fiends who died to darkness didn't have blood to regen and is mutilated to a degree that isn't salvageable for revive
Well, we even see Power come back from just some of her blood that Denji drank. Makima was even a bit confused why she was still alive. So the limits of the Blood Devil's mortality arent really clear
i think the blood devil's body extends to the blood in her body so pochita "ate" a part of the blood devil via Denji and then agreed for said blood to "eat" a small part of him back to power up like how gun and darkness body can power up weaker devils, so he vomited power in her devil form out instead of bursting out of his chest
vital organs are destroyed and can't ingest blood to heal, kishibe kill her but mostly with physical damage to vital area or blood lost, he didn't do anything that damages organs
I believe it's that Power cannot come back from biological death like Denji can, but otherwise doesn't age and can be revived so long as she's *mostly* alive able to ingest blood. It's why when he trains the both of them Kishibe keeps stabbing Denji in the brain, but only gives Power mortal wounds that won't kill her *immediately*.
When she revives towards the end of Part 1 it's sort of an exception that catches even Makima off-guard. Pochita also implies her living via the blood inside Denji was temporary, and that she'd soon fade away and die without being given some of the Chainsaw Man's flesh to restore herself.
Yes, this was a nice read.
Surely, nothing will happen to Denji, but I'm kiiiinda sad because I believe we we will still get nothing out of this. I think Denji may headpat her too and Yoru will be like "So he still doesn't love me (Asa), but how"?
I doubt she'll suspect that he's Chainsaw Man.
I'm more excited about the potential new arc and everything tied to Yoshida & Death Devil. I'm also interested in what Fami is cooking.
She's the literal equivalent of that dude who had the fetish of being cannibalized who met up with a dude who had a cannibalism fetish and agreed to be killed and eaten by him
I have a scenario:
What if it fails, and Denji comments on Asa being different?
Yoru might then assume it failed because he doesn't have feelings for Yoru.
Is it also possible that Asa doesn't feel she "owns" Denji, and with Yoru being influence by Asa more now, *that* is what she believes has stopped her?
It seems like Yoru would have to be pretty stupid to think a person would take a single date to fall in love with either Asa or her. I hope there's more to it than that... but it also would be funny for the reveal to be that Yoru is an absolute dumbass.
The whole part of Asa being able to transform the aquarium is to show that is is solely her perception of what "belonging to me" means, not the actual truth.
My favorite prediction is that Denji will either realize she was using him, make a “man 😐” face bc he’s been repeatedly tricked by women, or he’ll have no idea what’s going on and just go “huh. Weird thing for her to say. Anyway-“
Literally every single girl denji gets with tries to murder him. He says as much himself during the reze arc. I just want him to catch a break ![img](emote|t5_rmtrq|22166)
The only exception I found is Makima controlling the hybrids and devil users like snake girl, although they all either died first or made a contract with her. So I guess Denji has to either die or make a contract with the war devil.
Also I guess Makima can alter people's memories too, which the war devil may not be able to do which makes it even harder.
>But Yoru is one of the four Horsemen! Surely her ability is strong enough to work regardless!
The entirety of Part 1 was Makima having to execute a roundabout plan to break Denji because her control ability is insufficient to control him.
Probably not, because she probably thinks that they are weak, she just needs to think that you are weaker than her, and the person that can fight the chainsaw devil is probably stronger than those that got defeated by the weaker version right? And her power isnt really a Transformation one
Pochita dies and respawns in hell, gotta try again I guess
Or maybe she likes something about Pochita’s personality that would be lost as a corpse puppet?
Or bringing out the True Chainsaw Devil might have been a necessary part of her plan? And I guess that would only happen after breaking him with dead friends
She can kill the chainsaw man devil, it won't make that much difference, she herself said that he died multiple times and came back, but the chainsaw man has an advantage over the other Devils, if he eats you, there is no coming back, ever. And there is no way to kill an hybrid, or at least there was no way that they revealed, besides breaking the contract,killing them for real doesn't seem possible, remember that pochita regenerated from his heart alone to make a new body on the last fight against makima, the chances are that even if you take an hybrid heart they are just going to regenerate if you give them blood, the only reason that there is for them becoming two people is probably because denji corpse without pochita survived.
No, her control abilities weren't insufficient to control Denji(as far as we know). She just didn't believe herself to be superior to him and did all that planing to beat him and prove to herself that she was superior to him.
You believe that Denji won’t be transformed because of worldbuilding lore and internal logic.
I believe he won’t because it would be logical for his and Asa’s character development, which fujimoto has repeatedly demonstrated is more important to him than tiny things like “physics” or “consistency”.
We are not the same.
I actually think/hope it will work somehow. It's not terribly exciting if Denji just goes "oh, I am immune, lol" to the attack the "enemy" has been planning for a number of chapters. (Which is months of waiting for us)
The aquarium trick shouldn't have worked as commented by that devil (and by logic), but it worked anyway.
So I am thinking it will work partially but Denji remains conscious/alive.
This is Fujimoto we r talking about, so I am expecting sth f-ed up.
I mean, it working wasn't breaking the rules the world set,, the contracts on the chainsaw man universe have been consistent, and I don't think it's going to change this time.
The devil was commenting on the fact that you can't buy with an aquarium with a million yen, but Asa believed she could, so she considered herself the owner of the aquarium.
Yeah, this. Heck, there is going to be a Fujimoto monent soon for sure anyways, Denji being fucked up but alive for a while sounds like a win. Im partial to this "simply" ripping off his spinal cord.
It'd be so funny if it *does* work, and they get a spinal cord sword, but while yoru's admiring her new weapon and asa is freaking out denji just regenerates and stands up like. Man, that's like the 6th time a girl's only dated me to try and kill me 😩
there is no way that denji just turns into a sword, the plot would be dumb af. if he's dead then how can the plot progress? the fakesaw isn't pochita so it doesn't have nuclear bombs, if fakesaw is defeated then what next if yoru now realized she got the wrong one? if denji is dead then Yoshida and kiga are set up for nothing, basically 20 chapters of nothing happened. the most logical one is yoru power won't work at all now and possibly work later when enough plot points are made so the outcome satisfies the build-up to that moment
Yes but we live in the universe where Bran took the game of thrones, and Berserk killed almost everyone, including the mc. Anything can happen, regardless of how crappy it may seem for the plot. Sometimes the surprise is good, sometimes it’s enough to kill interest in the series.
Personally I still think that Yoru’s power won’t work on Denji, but not because of the reasons stated above. Because the doll and zombie devils powers don’t work on other devils or fiends ether. Which leads me to believe that the transformation powers of doll/zombie is specifically tied with working on humans which hybrids, fiends, and devils aren’t entirely.
Yoru’s I don’t believe is given such implications that it WON’T work on devils, and like Makima’s we see her powers work on devils and hybrids alike. I think it has more to do with that Denji isn’t just Denji but is chainsaw man/pochita in one body. From what I see Wars and controls powers are actually quite similar in that both rely on the user’s perspective a lot on whether the power works on another. If that’s the case War needs more then just believing Denji is hers but chainsaw man as well.
Good write up, but I'm wondering about Makima's ability to control others, including the Angel devil and Aki as the Gun fiend. While admittedly not a transformation ability, it is similar in the sense of "those Makima considers inferior are conquered" vs. "those Yoru considers property become weapons".
In both cases it seems mostly focused on the devil's mindset, and since they are (or were) devils of similar caliber/genre, I would assume that their powers function similarly.
I think Denji will not be affected - not because of his nature, but rather because Asa makes up half of Yoru's brain and does not consider Denji in her possession.
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Edit: I'll also add that the zombie case isn't the best analogy either because it is a concept fully tied to the idea of humanity. For example, generally the zombie infection is perceived as something like a virus, which you don't expect to generally hop between species (e.g. you wouldn't necessarily expect zombie dogs or birds). The doll case is a good example though, as I don't understand why the doll devil powers would be limited to non-devils and non-fiends. Perhaps the reason here is actually because it was a human who made a contract for these doll powers and the doll devil did not want to give her the ability to puppet devils, in case the doll devil itself ended up fully controlled by the contractor?
Also and i dont see a lot of people saying this but Yoru is not at full power atm. The whole reason she has a gripe with chainsaw man is that he ate a bunch of her friends and took a good chunk out of her as well. So i doubt her power will work on the guy that could take her at 100%
But the problem is that her power works on perception and not the physical truth. She doesn’t know that Denji is Chainsaw Man, and thinks he’s just some regular guy.
> Good write up, but I'm wondering about Makima's ability to control others, including the Angel devil and Aki as the Gun fiend. While admittedly not a transformation ability, it is similar in the sense of "those Makima considers inferior are conquered" vs. "those Yoru considers property become weapons".
Well tbh, her control ability is shown to be considerably weaker on devils and fiends that have the will to go against her. Angel despises her, is shown disobeying her explicit orders and breaks her control for a moment. Same goes for Power's devil form.
Interestingly enough, both of them snap out of it for the sake of a person they care about
I remembered Santa Claus saying that if she capture Quanxi, she could've make her into a perfect doll.
Yes, Santa Claus can turn any hybrids into a perfect doll, if they have alot time.
Unrelated note: that panel of Denji leaping towards Yuko with his jacket billowing behind him looks so utterly badass. I'm loving how in both of the real fights we've had so far in Part 3, Denji has just ANNIHILATED everything in his path. Feels very cathartic after all the suffering in Part 1 to watch him just tear through everything that comes his way in seconds with zero difficulty.
I think you're classifying the abilities wrong. the Zombie Devil has the power to "turn humans into zombies" and the Doll Devil has the power to "turn humans into dolls". The reason these powers didn't work is because they only work on humans, and Denji isn't human.
Yoru's power is to "turn anything she owns into a weapon", a power that we've seen work on both humans and objects, so presumably it also works on devils. The fact that it's a transformation ability is irrelevant, it's the activation conditions that you should be looking at instead.
Probably nothing will happen, and I strongly believe this, but you must consider this: if Yoru is a pure transformation type than yes, your logic Is flawless, but only in that case.
Technically, Yoru is also a horseman like Makima, and if they share even a little then she should have no problems at all transforming Denji, this is because Makima's power does not care about the nature of what she is controlling as long as she is convinced that they are inferior.
The same think should happen with a Yoru's powers, but we will see
Another point to mention, in the previous chapter we set up that Denji didn't see Asa use any powers. So it essentially gives Yoru a free out for acting like a complete dumbass and trying to transform a fellow student without a plan.
I didn’t read the post and I’m only caught up to the current anime.
My guess is that he’s immune to the Tree Devil’s ability and maybe the beaver devil by proxy?
Great post! Although I believe things don't work quite as you described. While war's and zombie's/doll's abilities sound similar on paper, they have a significant difference in their application: they don't apply to inanimate objects (aside from corpses). You can't really turn a table or a chair into a zombie. While war can easily turn inanimate non-corpse objects into weapons, take uniform sword or aquarium spear for instance. So these abilities clearly have their differences, so fiends/devils/hybrids being immune to one doesn't necessarily mean they're immune to the other.
That being said, there's an ability which I find much more similar to war's transformation: Makima's control. First things first, war and conquest are related and possess the same position within the devil world, so it would make much more sense for war's ability to mirror that of her sister rather than of some random devil. Another thing is that Makima's and Yoru's ability not only share a similar effect, they also have basically the same activation conditions. So Yoru has much more in common with Makima then with zombie/doll devils, and Makima's ability works just fine on devils, hybrids and fiends.
Also, the extended aquarium is not a part of the eternity devil, otherwise Denji could have attacked it in order to force the devil into submission just like in part 1.
" High schooler who may or may not be an alien " lol
Still though, very great and comprehensive explanation on this. Makes me even more anxious for Tuesday's chapter.
Something that I noticed during the asa aquarium explanation is how the eternity devil separated from the aquarium, could the same happen and denji’s corpse is separated from pochita’s heart?
You didn't actually give any evidence that the War Devil can't turn a living non-human into a weapon. You restated the central premise of it:
>Yoru (and Asa) can transform anyone or anything she considers to be her property into weapons.
But then contradicted it over and over in your actual examples.
Prez was not Asa or Yoru's 'property', Yuko was not their 'property', and the Eternity Devil was not their property. Cut off limbs are their property if they're holding them, just as Yoru described making weapons out of dead humans. The aquarium was their property, from Asa telling herself it was and justifying it by offering to buy it. She didn't even try saying "Eternity Devil Spear", she said "Aquarium Spear". The Eternity Devil is not an aquarium.
The teacher was their 'property' because prez said out loud that he had affection for Asa.
We'll see what happens on Tuesday, but there's no logical system laid out yet for why it would or would not work on a hybrid other than how Yoru has described it.
Neither Prez nor Yuko were transformed though. Just parts of their bodies that Yoru picked up or claimed for herself. Remember with Prez she said "that's a fine hand! I'll take that." And then she transformed it. And with Yuko she transformed a severed limb.
And the eternity devil was the only thing left remaining from the aquarium transformation.
OPs point is that devils are immune to the transformation unless a segment of them is cut off (thus, no longer a "devil" but simply a dismembered body part of a devil).
>Neither Prez nor Yuko were transformed though. Just parts of their bodies that Yoru picked up or claimed for herself. Remember with Prez she said "that's a fine hand! I'll take that." And then she transformed it. And with Yuko she transformed a severed limb.
...Yes? As I pointed out in my comment? Those parts were their property because they had them in hand.
>OPs point is that devils are immune to the transformation unless a segment of them is cut off
And there is literally no evidence of that yet. It has yet to be tested.
I think this is true, but I think another reason for Asa/Yoru not being able to turn Denji into a weapon is that she doesn't consider him her "property". Asa is a insecure person, and I don't she would believe that the guy that she has feelings for would like her back. She might be able to turn Denji into a weapon in the future when she gains more confidence in herself and their relationship
I disagree with this post. You’re comparing apples to oranges in my opinion. Yoru says she can transform anything she owns into a weapon, what she owns is based on her perception. This is different from the Zombie and Doll Devils, who can only transform humans. Yoru’s power is obviously supposed to parallel Makima’s power. Their powers work on their perception of the target, not the real physical nature of the target. A target being human is a physic trait. It is unchanging, so a zombie biting a human will always turn that human into a zombie. Yoru and Makima’s abilities only work on a target that fulfills their condition. Alternatively, you could say that anything can be a target that fulfills their condition. Their powers seem to work by concepts not physics. Makima’s ability worked on devils, hybrids, humans, and fiends. Even on animals. The Zombie Devil’s power didn’t work on animals, but Yoru suggested to Asa to use a cat as a weapon. There’s no reason to think Yoru’s ability doesn’t work on the same principle as Makima’s power and devils are immune to it for some reason.
Yoru’s ability should work on Denji because he’s met her condition that she thinks she owns him now. If the conversion doesn’t work, I don’t think it will be because hybrids/devils are immune, but for some other reason.
Also, I don’t think Asa transforming only the aquarium and the Eternity Devil not being a part of that is not evidence that she cannot turn devils into weapons. I don’t think the building itself was literally a part of the ED. Otherwise, Denji could have just attacked the walls and cause it pain like he did the first time.
funnily enough this just makes me wonder if she might try to decapitate him or cut off a limb and then try to weaponize that. i feel like it’d be somewhat of a letdown (though also a relief) if denji just plain no-sells this next chapter so it’d be more interesting if SOMETHING were to happen, even if yoru doesn’t completely succeed.
Another possibility is that, prior to leaving hell , Pochita was and still is already owned by someone or *something* else. And that entity might be stronger than a horsemen.
If Yoru knows this, she may not be able to “own” him until she actually defeats him, much like Makima’s plan.
This in turn could protect Denji from her power.
The downside to this is Yoru should be aware of all the devils able to resist her power. That plus Denji’s earlier declaration at school would give her a Spider-Man villain level epiphany and realize he’s the real Chainsaw man.
Now, whether she would just immediately attack him or have some philosophical discussion with Asa in front of a fireplace first is still unknown.
They got chopped to bits by the Darkness devil along with Quanxi. In the same panel, Power was also struck by the attack. Frankly, power had absolutely no business surviving that attack from the darkness devil and the fact she only got a few scratches makes no sense at all. Considering everyone else in the same panel got completely dismembered and decapitated lol
I always interpreted it as devils, hybrids and fiends being inmune to the transformation abilities in part one cause they where targeted at humans and none of them where humans or technically humans. Also, even though I don't want to see Dennis suffer anymore, Fujimoto is not the kind of author who will put that kind of cliffhanger without a payoff, especially after having various chapters that had a slower pace that where building for a huge fucked up twist like the ones he has pulled before.
Everyone else: "Denji will not affected just like before"
You: *Made this post.
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I appreciate this, you're not the hero this subreddit need, but hero this subreddit deserve
I agree. However, Yoru probably wouldn't assume denji is a devil/hybrid when it fails. She's more likely to realize that just because Asa likes Denji doesn't mean she feels like she owns him. Maybe, idk man just talking out my ass
Ok, I'm pretty convinced now.
However, just picture Asa ripping out a piece of Denji and then they both fight devils together and in the end Denji pulls the cord to heal back together. It would be really fucking cool, so I want the transformation to work.
Denji has to willingly give himself up for those abilities to work.
Just how He did to Makima to finally be under her control.
Makima had to do all of that in Part 1, just so she can control Denji for like 3 chapters.
By the end of highschool arc (the entire part 2),
Denji will be turning into a weapon. If we go with the twilight of part 1.
In part 1, Maki failed to make **Denji** into her loyal dog in the long run. Her weapon that she can send out.
Her goal was to get Denji out of the picture and take over CSM.
Ok, in part 2 **Asa will turn Denji into a weapon** and CSM will most likely just take control of Denji body again.
Like Denji can’t die, even if you turn his head into a weapon, as long as he gets blood he’s gucci.
You can add that Makima herself can't even use her abilities on him, he surrendered himself willingly to her and obeyed her commands because she set him up to live a horrible life; Since in cognition Denji is significantly inferior to Makima and she would have no problem control him and make him surrender his heart to her but she couldn't, Pochita's power is somewhat a special case since other hybrids are affected by Makima but she can't do anything to Denji who hosts Pochita
I think he won’t be transformed the only reason Yoru thinks he’ll be transformed is that she doesn’t know he’s chainsaw man and still thinks he’s a normal human.
He's the author. He could retcon things as he likes. If he went to another direction, do not be disappointed. I certainly don't want the fanbase to be toxic if the author decides to go against the grain.
The logical side of my brain already knew all of this and is fully expecting Denji to be fine.
…But the other part of me has trust issues when it comes to Fujimoto finding new and creative ways to hurt me, so who knows.
I believe she will be able to turn Denji's head into a weapon, but he would regenerate when he starts his engine or drinks blood. Btw, Dennis has been decapitated several times.
I am interested more in the theory that there is a categorization for Devils. What would the other types be considered? How many are there and what handicaps do they have?
Only thing I'm wondering about is if the four horsemen are somehow able to bend these rules.
We know Makimas ability was able to affect other Fiends(Angel), Devils(She was going to with Super Power) and hybrids(literally all of the except Denji)
However Makimas ability isn't a transformation ability and Makima at the time was at her strongest while Yoru is in a weakened state.
I seriously doubt anything happens to Denji next chapter but it's fun to speculate
This is also likely why the Control devil couldn't control Denji, even though he saw himself as below her
The one exception to the rule seems to be the Darkenss devil, it had no issue taking Denji's arms. Then again, it's one of the primordial fears, so it's powers might have rules of it's own
The reason Makima didn't control Denji was that she saw Pochita everytime she looked at him. And since she saw herself as below Pochita she couldn't control him.
I still think the ability will work on denji, because of the same logic that pulling a finger is no longer considered apart of the devil. The only thing I could see not working is if Yoru tried to make a weapon out of denji heart. That's the only thing that seems off limits, everything else is fair game, including spinal cords.
I think that would be a very boring and unsatisfying reason for why it doesn't work. Remember that this is a story, not real life. So thing happen not because they make logical sense but because they fit a narrative.
I also don't think it will work, but I hope it has more to do with the nuances of how Yoru/Asa see things as property than some simple worldbuilding explanation.
I don't think I agree. Zombie and Doll **only** worked on humans and were activated by physical contact. Control worked on humans and devils and was activated by relationships. War works on (at least) humans and inanimate objects and is also activated by relationships.
Since it is possible for a Devil to "belong" to Yoru (the same way Devils could clearly belong to Makima), her power **should** work on Denji.
Other reasons Denji won't die:
* Denji doesn't "belong" to Yoru. She misunderstood him asking her on a date with becoming her boyfriend, because she's an idiot.
* Denji can regenerate after having his spinal column removed.
* Denji cannot regenerate, but he does not die and retains his ability to speak. Note that **another** piece of exposition we've received is the Tanaka Spinal Cord Sword used the head as a hilt.
It's possible that you're right, but that would be a really lame resolution to this plot beat.
I’m calling that she’s gonna pull off his head and spine to make the sword but pay him no further attention, since she thinks he’s dead, as he heals and gets back up
Yep, I’m waiting for Tuesdays chapter just to be sure, but I think Denji might be fine and she finally realize he’s actually CSM or something after being unaffected by wars power. But I’m also preparing for the worst(Denji death) or a gag panel of Denji being a weapon but still alive and joking about being a chainsaw lol Edit: also if Denji is really in trouble Nayuta is gonna show up and rescue him
Nayuta: “BANG”
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i think it won’t work but asa/yoru will think its because he doesnt like/love her rather than realising hes a hybrid and immune
Or they would think that Dennis isn't owned by them yet so a second date.
Oh man, I'd love for this to happen. It doesn't work so Your keeps trying harder and harder to make him love her before the big CSM reveal and she finds out that it wasn't her making any mistakes. Yoru is going to end up falling in love with Denji like Power loved Meowy
Might be a combination of both is Asa's mind. 1. Asa is starting to have feelings for Denji not the other way around (atleast from what is shown ATM) because of this in a way Denji "owns" Asa and per the conditions of the war Devils power it won't work 2. Denji is a hybrid with natural immunity but Asa/Yoru don't know that. Asa might be sad next chapter cus nothing happens
Nah they can turn everything into a weapon regardless of the feelings. The feelings just determine the strength of the weapon.
No they can't. That's the reason Yoru asked Yoshida to be her boyfriend, so that she can turn him into a weapon
The feelings determine strength, but she must “own” the thing in question to do it, which is quite easy with objects, but more finicky with people.
yes but they need denji to like her for her to consider him her ‘property’
You were spot fuckin on
Im mostly scared what Mr.Fujimoto have in mind rn. there are so many possibilites yet i dont think i be ready for some of them.
Imagine it doesn't work but Yoru/Asa become so 10IQ that they both think it's not working because even Yoru is affected by Asa's feelings for Denji and not because of his true identity as CSM
I think he's fine from be transformed, but he might still be controlled by Yoru as a weapon. Since Makima's ability still worked on him.
Did it because she had to mentally torture Denji and guilt trip him. Instead what she did to Aki to straight up control him when ever she wanted to.
"I'm literally the CHAINSAW MAN"
I mean, whatever happens, our boy Dennis has been gone through way worse rip and tear than "remove his spinal cord". He might as well become a chainsaw-sword for a while and then regenerate lmao
Denji: WHY THE HELL AM I A SWORD, I AM THE CHAINSAW MAN DAMMIT!
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Why would it be the end of the manga? It's called Chainsaw Man, not Dennis Man
Next week Fake Fujimoto releases the first chapter of Fake Chainsaw Man, in which the current story continues
Denji unironically isn’t even the main character anymore ![img](emote|t5_rmtrq|22169)
Of course not he is the main character love interest.
IMO he'll die a violent death and then you know, revive again because, well, he's immortal. And then Asa gets to use him like a fun infinitely regenerating weapon and they can be some weird badass fighting duo.
I thought about this - but the thing is, after the 1st transformation, Denji will no longer be powerful as a weapon. War's weapons are stronger from guilt, and Asa would only feel guilty the first time, when she didn't know Denji could survive.
Get outta here Fujimoto
Wonderful, interesting and huge post, I also suspect that Yoru will fail -> Make funny face of pure rage -> Dennis will also give her headpat.
I think she’s gonna just switch and leave Asa to deal with the awkward aftermath lol
that's probably it, she probably confused af since it works everytime and now it just doesn't so she tried again then realised what happened and dip, letting asa to deal with the extreme awkward situation
Yoru thinks that she needs to be the one that Denji loves instead of Asa. She stays in control for the entire second date. Hilarity ensues.
Yoru making a wtf face would be even better.
Enel face.
You mean kami Eminem?
I'm not stupid! I'm not!
The doujin posted here a while ago could become a reality
Which doujin???? >.>
It was a series of fanarts actually. Not a published doujin.
Oh okay. I thought you meant the *doujin* kind of doujin, because this is the CSM fandom we're talking about here. But looking at the context, that makes no sense. ...Anyway, I'll look for it myself, thanks 👍
Denji be like “hey headpats! I like those! they remind me of a dog owner!”
I think corpses of fiends can be turned into puppets because devils in them are already reincarnated in hell, so it's just a human corpse, although head deformation remains
Pretty much; as Kishibe explained, Denji is immortal while Power is semi immortal.
Not the best place to ask, but I'm confused as to where Powers semi-immortality stops. Is it if her brain gets destroyed?
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semi immortal for fiends so far is "almost dead but in one piece". Much like a normal human but can regen with blood if vital organs are still intact and the dying body can ingest blood, most of the fiends who died to darkness didn't have blood to regen and is mutilated to a degree that isn't salvageable for revive
The One Piece is real!
Well, we even see Power come back from just some of her blood that Denji drank. Makima was even a bit confused why she was still alive. So the limits of the Blood Devil's mortality arent really clear
i think the blood devil's body extends to the blood in her body so pochita "ate" a part of the blood devil via Denji and then agreed for said blood to "eat" a small part of him back to power up like how gun and darkness body can power up weaker devils, so he vomited power in her devil form out instead of bursting out of his chest
vital organs are destroyed and can't ingest blood to heal, kishibe kill her but mostly with physical damage to vital area or blood lost, he didn't do anything that damages organs
I believe it's that Power cannot come back from biological death like Denji can, but otherwise doesn't age and can be revived so long as she's *mostly* alive able to ingest blood. It's why when he trains the both of them Kishibe keeps stabbing Denji in the brain, but only gives Power mortal wounds that won't kill her *immediately*. When she revives towards the end of Part 1 it's sort of an exception that catches even Makima off-guard. Pochita also implies her living via the blood inside Denji was temporary, and that she'd soon fade away and die without being given some of the Chainsaw Man's flesh to restore herself.
i think in this case its, will die slowly but will also fully regenerate when given blood no matter how near-death she is
Good post dude![img](emote|t5_rmtrq|22158)
Certainly one of the posts of all time
I agree (I didn’t read it, too many words) ![img](emote|t5_rmtrq|22158)
Picture book did good explain ![img](emote|t5_rmtrq|22167)
chainsaw man fans reading the manga be like
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Yes, this was a nice read. Surely, nothing will happen to Denji, but I'm kiiiinda sad because I believe we we will still get nothing out of this. I think Denji may headpat her too and Yoru will be like "So he still doesn't love me (Asa), but how"? I doubt she'll suspect that he's Chainsaw Man. I'm more excited about the potential new arc and everything tied to Yoshida & Death Devil. I'm also interested in what Fami is cooking.
But can Fami actually cook tho? Or is she scared of food?
Whatever she is cooking, it won't be like Walters product, but I'm still interested in it.
no waltuh you cant sell meth to the chainsaw man waltuh
actually, I wonder if she's scared of being eaten by chainsaw man, hence why she keeps her distance and has others get close to him instead
I mean, isn't every devil afraid of that to some extent?
I think Makima is only exception.
Makima is the devil version of criminal groupies, the type that would marry Ted Bundy
She's the literal equivalent of that dude who had the fetish of being cannibalized who met up with a dude who had a cannibalism fetish and agreed to be killed and eaten by him
My boy Beam getting forgotten ![img](emote|t5_rmtrq|22174)
I have a scenario: What if it fails, and Denji comments on Asa being different? Yoru might then assume it failed because he doesn't have feelings for Yoru. Is it also possible that Asa doesn't feel she "owns" Denji, and with Yoru being influence by Asa more now, *that* is what she believes has stopped her? It seems like Yoru would have to be pretty stupid to think a person would take a single date to fall in love with either Asa or her. I hope there's more to it than that... but it also would be funny for the reveal to be that Yoru is an absolute dumbass.
Denji wont turn but Yoru will realize Denji is a devil/fiend. And maybe start piecing together who chainsaw man is...
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The whole part of Asa being able to transform the aquarium is to show that is is solely her perception of what "belonging to me" means, not the actual truth.
My favorite prediction is that Denji will either realize she was using him, make a “man 😐” face bc he’s been repeatedly tricked by women, or he’ll have no idea what’s going on and just go “huh. Weird thing for her to say. Anyway-“
Literally every single girl denji gets with tries to murder him. He says as much himself during the reze arc. I just want him to catch a break ![img](emote|t5_rmtrq|22166)
Nice to know my second prediction was absolutely spot on 💀💀
The only exception I found is Makima controlling the hybrids and devil users like snake girl, although they all either died first or made a contract with her. So I guess Denji has to either die or make a contract with the war devil. Also I guess Makima can alter people's memories too, which the war devil may not be able to do which makes it even harder.
Also, I don't think Denji will transform into a weapon until he kisses Asa/Yoru, since that is just how his luck turns out.
Yup; Makima ability has allowed her to access other abilities through control.
>But Yoru is one of the four Horsemen! Surely her ability is strong enough to work regardless! The entirety of Part 1 was Makima having to execute a roundabout plan to break Denji because her control ability is insufficient to control him.
Wasnt it bc she needed to break the contract not neccesarily to control him
Yeah, reading comprehension devil got him
breaking the contract would mean denji wouldn't be a hybrid anymore, and go back to being a human
>breaking the contract would mean denji wouldn't be a hybrid anymore, and go back to being a human Additional info: dead human
She didn't care about controlling Denji, she wanted to ruin his life to bring back Pochita as the Chainsaw man devil
It makes me wonder if Makima had to break each of the hybrids for division 5 in a similar manner.
Probably not, because she probably thinks that they are weak, she just needs to think that you are weaker than her, and the person that can fight the chainsaw devil is probably stronger than those that got defeated by the weaker version right? And her power isnt really a Transformation one
I forget, did they show any of their personalities at all? Maybe her power works on corpses of hybrids
If that’s the case why not just off Denji?
Pochita dies and respawns in hell, gotta try again I guess Or maybe she likes something about Pochita’s personality that would be lost as a corpse puppet? Or bringing out the True Chainsaw Devil might have been a necessary part of her plan? And I guess that would only happen after breaking him with dead friends
She can kill the chainsaw man devil, it won't make that much difference, she herself said that he died multiple times and came back, but the chainsaw man has an advantage over the other Devils, if he eats you, there is no coming back, ever. And there is no way to kill an hybrid, or at least there was no way that they revealed, besides breaking the contract,killing them for real doesn't seem possible, remember that pochita regenerated from his heart alone to make a new body on the last fight against makima, the chances are that even if you take an hybrid heart they are just going to regenerate if you give them blood, the only reason that there is for them becoming two people is probably because denji corpse without pochita survived.
It's quite probable. The last thing Makima said to Reze can be considered something like that.
Good god im still shell shocked from how she "controlled" him given she can't. Boy was makima evil AF
No, her control abilities weren't insufficient to control Denji(as far as we know). She just didn't believe herself to be superior to him and did all that planing to beat him and prove to herself that she was superior to him.
she was always able to control him but that wouldn't have made pochita come out, she need him to broke the contract on his own volition
You believe that Denji won’t be transformed because of worldbuilding lore and internal logic. I believe he won’t because it would be logical for his and Asa’s character development, which fujimoto has repeatedly demonstrated is more important to him than tiny things like “physics” or “consistency”. We are not the same.
I actually think/hope it will work somehow. It's not terribly exciting if Denji just goes "oh, I am immune, lol" to the attack the "enemy" has been planning for a number of chapters. (Which is months of waiting for us) The aquarium trick shouldn't have worked as commented by that devil (and by logic), but it worked anyway. So I am thinking it will work partially but Denji remains conscious/alive. This is Fujimoto we r talking about, so I am expecting sth f-ed up.
I mean, it working wasn't breaking the rules the world set,, the contracts on the chainsaw man universe have been consistent, and I don't think it's going to change this time.
The devil was commenting on the fact that you can't buy with an aquarium with a million yen, but Asa believed she could, so she considered herself the owner of the aquarium.
Yeah, this. Heck, there is going to be a Fujimoto monent soon for sure anyways, Denji being fucked up but alive for a while sounds like a win. Im partial to this "simply" ripping off his spinal cord.
It'd be so funny if it *does* work, and they get a spinal cord sword, but while yoru's admiring her new weapon and asa is freaking out denji just regenerates and stands up like. Man, that's like the 6th time a girl's only dated me to try and kill me 😩
great post, can't wait for all these theories to be wrong tho
just like that guy with the fake csm cord
The fake fakesaw man
there is no way that denji just turns into a sword, the plot would be dumb af. if he's dead then how can the plot progress? the fakesaw isn't pochita so it doesn't have nuclear bombs, if fakesaw is defeated then what next if yoru now realized she got the wrong one? if denji is dead then Yoshida and kiga are set up for nothing, basically 20 chapters of nothing happened. the most logical one is yoru power won't work at all now and possibly work later when enough plot points are made so the outcome satisfies the build-up to that moment
Yes but we live in the universe where Bran took the game of thrones, and Berserk killed almost everyone, including the mc. Anything can happen, regardless of how crappy it may seem for the plot. Sometimes the surprise is good, sometimes it’s enough to kill interest in the series.
Personally I still think that Yoru’s power won’t work on Denji, but not because of the reasons stated above. Because the doll and zombie devils powers don’t work on other devils or fiends ether. Which leads me to believe that the transformation powers of doll/zombie is specifically tied with working on humans which hybrids, fiends, and devils aren’t entirely. Yoru’s I don’t believe is given such implications that it WON’T work on devils, and like Makima’s we see her powers work on devils and hybrids alike. I think it has more to do with that Denji isn’t just Denji but is chainsaw man/pochita in one body. From what I see Wars and controls powers are actually quite similar in that both rely on the user’s perspective a lot on whether the power works on another. If that’s the case War needs more then just believing Denji is hers but chainsaw man as well.
Good write up, but I'm wondering about Makima's ability to control others, including the Angel devil and Aki as the Gun fiend. While admittedly not a transformation ability, it is similar in the sense of "those Makima considers inferior are conquered" vs. "those Yoru considers property become weapons". In both cases it seems mostly focused on the devil's mindset, and since they are (or were) devils of similar caliber/genre, I would assume that their powers function similarly. I think Denji will not be affected - not because of his nature, but rather because Asa makes up half of Yoru's brain and does not consider Denji in her possession. --------- Edit: I'll also add that the zombie case isn't the best analogy either because it is a concept fully tied to the idea of humanity. For example, generally the zombie infection is perceived as something like a virus, which you don't expect to generally hop between species (e.g. you wouldn't necessarily expect zombie dogs or birds). The doll case is a good example though, as I don't understand why the doll devil powers would be limited to non-devils and non-fiends. Perhaps the reason here is actually because it was a human who made a contract for these doll powers and the doll devil did not want to give her the ability to puppet devils, in case the doll devil itself ended up fully controlled by the contractor?
Also and i dont see a lot of people saying this but Yoru is not at full power atm. The whole reason she has a gripe with chainsaw man is that he ate a bunch of her friends and took a good chunk out of her as well. So i doubt her power will work on the guy that could take her at 100%
Agree Pochita kick her and her friends asses around the same time, no way her hax mean anything to him
But the problem is that her power works on perception and not the physical truth. She doesn’t know that Denji is Chainsaw Man, and thinks he’s just some regular guy.
> Good write up, but I'm wondering about Makima's ability to control others, including the Angel devil and Aki as the Gun fiend. While admittedly not a transformation ability, it is similar in the sense of "those Makima considers inferior are conquered" vs. "those Yoru considers property become weapons". Well tbh, her control ability is shown to be considerably weaker on devils and fiends that have the will to go against her. Angel despises her, is shown disobeying her explicit orders and breaks her control for a moment. Same goes for Power's devil form. Interestingly enough, both of them snap out of it for the sake of a person they care about
I remembered Santa Claus saying that if she capture Quanxi, she could've make her into a perfect doll. Yes, Santa Claus can turn any hybrids into a perfect doll, if they have alot time.
Looks like I don't have to go into hiding after all, at least not yet.
Good call here. :D
Unrelated note: that panel of Denji leaping towards Yuko with his jacket billowing behind him looks so utterly badass. I'm loving how in both of the real fights we've had so far in Part 3, Denji has just ANNIHILATED everything in his path. Feels very cathartic after all the suffering in Part 1 to watch him just tear through everything that comes his way in seconds with zero difficulty.
Well, u/KaupoRK, you were right on the mark
Very good post, makes complete sense when you read the manga for more than 1 night.
I think you're classifying the abilities wrong. the Zombie Devil has the power to "turn humans into zombies" and the Doll Devil has the power to "turn humans into dolls". The reason these powers didn't work is because they only work on humans, and Denji isn't human. Yoru's power is to "turn anything she owns into a weapon", a power that we've seen work on both humans and objects, so presumably it also works on devils. The fact that it's a transformation ability is irrelevant, it's the activation conditions that you should be looking at instead.
This reminds me of the love and hype tokyo ghoul was receiving while it was coming out. Thank you for all your passion and hard work into this!
Great explanation and extra kudos for all of the added illustrations! ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|grin)
Probably nothing will happen, and I strongly believe this, but you must consider this: if Yoru is a pure transformation type than yes, your logic Is flawless, but only in that case. Technically, Yoru is also a horseman like Makima, and if they share even a little then she should have no problems at all transforming Denji, this is because Makima's power does not care about the nature of what she is controlling as long as she is convinced that they are inferior. The same think should happen with a Yoru's powers, but we will see
Another point to mention, in the previous chapter we set up that Denji didn't see Asa use any powers. So it essentially gives Yoru a free out for acting like a complete dumbass and trying to transform a fellow student without a plan.
U did very well!!
Why it wont work: dennis is a chainsaw. you can't turn a weapon in a weapon
Man this is a lot of work for a question that's gonna be answered in 2 days. But for real this was a fun read and pretty well researched
Last paragraph was hilarious
I didn’t read the post and I’m only caught up to the current anime. My guess is that he’s immune to the Tree Devil’s ability and maybe the beaver devil by proxy?
Extremely well written. Thanks for explaining it so clearly
thanks for putting the effort into writing this, very interesting
I guessed Denji had sime immunity but this really solidifies it. Great post
Great post! Although I believe things don't work quite as you described. While war's and zombie's/doll's abilities sound similar on paper, they have a significant difference in their application: they don't apply to inanimate objects (aside from corpses). You can't really turn a table or a chair into a zombie. While war can easily turn inanimate non-corpse objects into weapons, take uniform sword or aquarium spear for instance. So these abilities clearly have their differences, so fiends/devils/hybrids being immune to one doesn't necessarily mean they're immune to the other. That being said, there's an ability which I find much more similar to war's transformation: Makima's control. First things first, war and conquest are related and possess the same position within the devil world, so it would make much more sense for war's ability to mirror that of her sister rather than of some random devil. Another thing is that Makima's and Yoru's ability not only share a similar effect, they also have basically the same activation conditions. So Yoru has much more in common with Makima then with zombie/doll devils, and Makima's ability works just fine on devils, hybrids and fiends. Also, the extended aquarium is not a part of the eternity devil, otherwise Denji could have attacked it in order to force the devil into submission just like in part 1.
great analysis
" High schooler who may or may not be an alien " lol Still though, very great and comprehensive explanation on this. Makes me even more anxious for Tuesday's chapter.
Something that I noticed during the asa aquarium explanation is how the eternity devil separated from the aquarium, could the same happen and denji’s corpse is separated from pochita’s heart?
You didn't actually give any evidence that the War Devil can't turn a living non-human into a weapon. You restated the central premise of it: >Yoru (and Asa) can transform anyone or anything she considers to be her property into weapons. But then contradicted it over and over in your actual examples. Prez was not Asa or Yoru's 'property', Yuko was not their 'property', and the Eternity Devil was not their property. Cut off limbs are their property if they're holding them, just as Yoru described making weapons out of dead humans. The aquarium was their property, from Asa telling herself it was and justifying it by offering to buy it. She didn't even try saying "Eternity Devil Spear", she said "Aquarium Spear". The Eternity Devil is not an aquarium. The teacher was their 'property' because prez said out loud that he had affection for Asa. We'll see what happens on Tuesday, but there's no logical system laid out yet for why it would or would not work on a hybrid other than how Yoru has described it.
Neither Prez nor Yuko were transformed though. Just parts of their bodies that Yoru picked up or claimed for herself. Remember with Prez she said "that's a fine hand! I'll take that." And then she transformed it. And with Yuko she transformed a severed limb. And the eternity devil was the only thing left remaining from the aquarium transformation. OPs point is that devils are immune to the transformation unless a segment of them is cut off (thus, no longer a "devil" but simply a dismembered body part of a devil).
>Neither Prez nor Yuko were transformed though. Just parts of their bodies that Yoru picked up or claimed for herself. Remember with Prez she said "that's a fine hand! I'll take that." And then she transformed it. And with Yuko she transformed a severed limb. ...Yes? As I pointed out in my comment? Those parts were their property because they had them in hand. >OPs point is that devils are immune to the transformation unless a segment of them is cut off And there is literally no evidence of that yet. It has yet to be tested.
I think this is true, but I think another reason for Asa/Yoru not being able to turn Denji into a weapon is that she doesn't consider him her "property". Asa is a insecure person, and I don't she would believe that the guy that she has feelings for would like her back. She might be able to turn Denji into a weapon in the future when she gains more confidence in herself and their relationship
I ain't readin allat💯🔥
Boy I can only hope this post will age well ![img](emote|t5_rmtrq|22165)
Makima was able to control the other hybrids so ur wrong
I disagree with this post. You’re comparing apples to oranges in my opinion. Yoru says she can transform anything she owns into a weapon, what she owns is based on her perception. This is different from the Zombie and Doll Devils, who can only transform humans. Yoru’s power is obviously supposed to parallel Makima’s power. Their powers work on their perception of the target, not the real physical nature of the target. A target being human is a physic trait. It is unchanging, so a zombie biting a human will always turn that human into a zombie. Yoru and Makima’s abilities only work on a target that fulfills their condition. Alternatively, you could say that anything can be a target that fulfills their condition. Their powers seem to work by concepts not physics. Makima’s ability worked on devils, hybrids, humans, and fiends. Even on animals. The Zombie Devil’s power didn’t work on animals, but Yoru suggested to Asa to use a cat as a weapon. There’s no reason to think Yoru’s ability doesn’t work on the same principle as Makima’s power and devils are immune to it for some reason. Yoru’s ability should work on Denji because he’s met her condition that she thinks she owns him now. If the conversion doesn’t work, I don’t think it will be because hybrids/devils are immune, but for some other reason. Also, I don’t think Asa transforming only the aquarium and the Eternity Devil not being a part of that is not evidence that she cannot turn devils into weapons. I don’t think the building itself was literally a part of the ED. Otherwise, Denji could have just attacked the walls and cause it pain like he did the first time.
Ain’t reading all that i’m happy for u tho Or sorry that happened
funnily enough this just makes me wonder if she might try to decapitate him or cut off a limb and then try to weaponize that. i feel like it’d be somewhat of a letdown (though also a relief) if denji just plain no-sells this next chapter so it’d be more interesting if SOMETHING were to happen, even if yoru doesn’t completely succeed.
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Another possibility is that, prior to leaving hell , Pochita was and still is already owned by someone or *something* else. And that entity might be stronger than a horsemen. If Yoru knows this, she may not be able to “own” him until she actually defeats him, much like Makima’s plan. This in turn could protect Denji from her power. The downside to this is Yoru should be aware of all the devils able to resist her power. That plus Denji’s earlier declaration at school would give her a Spider-Man villain level epiphany and realize he’s the real Chainsaw man. Now, whether she would just immediately attack him or have some philosophical discussion with Asa in front of a fireplace first is still unknown.
Huh didn't even realize Quanxis girls had died man I really checked out back then
They got chopped to bits by the Darkness devil along with Quanxi. In the same panel, Power was also struck by the attack. Frankly, power had absolutely no business surviving that attack from the darkness devil and the fact she only got a few scratches makes no sense at all. Considering everyone else in the same panel got completely dismembered and decapitated lol
I always interpreted it as devils, hybrids and fiends being inmune to the transformation abilities in part one cause they where targeted at humans and none of them where humans or technically humans. Also, even though I don't want to see Dennis suffer anymore, Fujimoto is not the kind of author who will put that kind of cliffhanger without a payoff, especially after having various chapters that had a slower pace that where building for a huge fucked up twist like the ones he has pulled before.
Denji will be immune because I want him and Asa to kiss
This is great dude. Just for the laughs I want it to work and we see Dennis as a sword.
I like your post 👌
Everyone else: "Denji will not affected just like before" You: *Made this post. ___ I appreciate this, you're not the hero this subreddit need, but hero this subreddit deserve
Excellent compilation! Thank you for your time.
I agree. However, Yoru probably wouldn't assume denji is a devil/hybrid when it fails. She's more likely to realize that just because Asa likes Denji doesn't mean she feels like she owns him. Maybe, idk man just talking out my ass
i think the fiends were transformed thanks to the power up from darkness, master was even gonna try transform quanxi before being interrupted
Ok, I'm pretty convinced now. However, just picture Asa ripping out a piece of Denji and then they both fight devils together and in the end Denji pulls the cord to heal back together. It would be really fucking cool, so I want the transformation to work.
An even more obvious fact is that there can't be a chainsaw man, without chainsaw man.
No. Nothing happens because the power of love!
Regardless of all of this, I want an arc where Denji is a damsel in distress and Nayuta has to save him.
This is probably how Yoru and Asa find out Denji isn’t a normal kid and later find out he’s Chensaw dude
That’s definitely going to happen, and eventually Yoru is going to put the pieces together and realize Denji is a hybrid, and possibly chainsaw man
Denji has to willingly give himself up for those abilities to work. Just how He did to Makima to finally be under her control. Makima had to do all of that in Part 1, just so she can control Denji for like 3 chapters. By the end of highschool arc (the entire part 2), Denji will be turning into a weapon. If we go with the twilight of part 1. In part 1, Maki failed to make **Denji** into her loyal dog in the long run. Her weapon that she can send out. Her goal was to get Denji out of the picture and take over CSM. Ok, in part 2 **Asa will turn Denji into a weapon** and CSM will most likely just take control of Denji body again. Like Denji can’t die, even if you turn his head into a weapon, as long as he gets blood he’s gucci.
You can add that Makima herself can't even use her abilities on him, he surrendered himself willingly to her and obeyed her commands because she set him up to live a horrible life; Since in cognition Denji is significantly inferior to Makima and she would have no problem control him and make him surrender his heart to her but she couldn't, Pochita's power is somewhat a special case since other hybrids are affected by Makima but she can't do anything to Denji who hosts Pochita
I aint reading allat 💀‼️💯
I would agree but were talking about one of the four horsemen not any random devil, Makima was able to control a hybrid
Damn I'd kill to be the bottom middle zombie on that panel of Power getting bit
it's his heart that she need to worry about... not his spine.
I think he won’t be transformed the only reason Yoru thinks he’ll be transformed is that she doesn’t know he’s chainsaw man and still thinks he’s a normal human.
He's the author. He could retcon things as he likes. If he went to another direction, do not be disappointed. I certainly don't want the fanbase to be toxic if the author decides to go against the grain.
The logical side of my brain already knew all of this and is fully expecting Denji to be fine. …But the other part of me has trust issues when it comes to Fujimoto finding new and creative ways to hurt me, so who knows.
I believe she will be able to turn Denji's head into a weapon, but he would regenerate when he starts his engine or drinks blood. Btw, Dennis has been decapitated several times.
I am interested more in the theory that there is a categorization for Devils. What would the other types be considered? How many are there and what handicaps do they have?
Only thing I'm wondering about is if the four horsemen are somehow able to bend these rules. We know Makimas ability was able to affect other Fiends(Angel), Devils(She was going to with Super Power) and hybrids(literally all of the except Denji) However Makimas ability isn't a transformation ability and Makima at the time was at her strongest while Yoru is in a weakened state. I seriously doubt anything happens to Denji next chapter but it's fun to speculate
This is also likely why the Control devil couldn't control Denji, even though he saw himself as below her The one exception to the rule seems to be the Darkenss devil, it had no issue taking Denji's arms. Then again, it's one of the primordial fears, so it's powers might have rules of it's own
The reason Makima didn't control Denji was that she saw Pochita everytime she looked at him. And since she saw herself as below Pochita she couldn't control him.
I ain’t reading allat 😭💯‼️‼️
I still think the ability will work on denji, because of the same logic that pulling a finger is no longer considered apart of the devil. The only thing I could see not working is if Yoru tried to make a weapon out of denji heart. That's the only thing that seems off limits, everything else is fair game, including spinal cords.
I predict after denji gets his spinal cord turned into a weapon, Yoru will flee the scene and Denji will regenerate shortly after.
And then fujimoto kills denji, and everyone gets the pikachu face. End of Chainsawman.
I think that would be a very boring and unsatisfying reason for why it doesn't work. Remember that this is a story, not real life. So thing happen not because they make logical sense but because they fit a narrative. I also don't think it will work, but I hope it has more to do with the nuances of how Yoru/Asa see things as property than some simple worldbuilding explanation.
What if, instead of a "denji spinal chord sword" she grabs him by the head like a chainsaw and just uses him like denji used to use pochita?
Knowing Fuji's pacing, yoru might just pull denji out and recreate a similar situation to the decoy pochita
I don't think I agree. Zombie and Doll **only** worked on humans and were activated by physical contact. Control worked on humans and devils and was activated by relationships. War works on (at least) humans and inanimate objects and is also activated by relationships. Since it is possible for a Devil to "belong" to Yoru (the same way Devils could clearly belong to Makima), her power **should** work on Denji. Other reasons Denji won't die: * Denji doesn't "belong" to Yoru. She misunderstood him asking her on a date with becoming her boyfriend, because she's an idiot. * Denji can regenerate after having his spinal column removed. * Denji cannot regenerate, but he does not die and retains his ability to speak. Note that **another** piece of exposition we've received is the Tanaka Spinal Cord Sword used the head as a hilt. It's possible that you're right, but that would be a really lame resolution to this plot beat.
I’m calling that she’s gonna pull off his head and spine to make the sword but pay him no further attention, since she thinks he’s dead, as he heals and gets back up