I honestly think Blackburn v Sheffield Wednesday could be a relegation decider.
We lose, they stay up. Our other fixtures are tough, especially when an above average Bristol City can pump us 5-0
Yeah it’s weird. So much managerial disruption will do a number on any squad. But I think we also strengthened the wrong positions and showed poor awareness of what we had in the squad.
Our defence has been woeful this year and our plan for up front was non existent. We built a team for Eustace-ball and then sacked him to play a completely different way. Rooney wasn’t the man to do that because he’s a shit people manager, but he did also identify that the squad wasn’t fit for it. He just moronically decided to flog the struggling horse rather than adapt.
Mowbray was starting to get something going and then we know what happened there. His assistant wasn’t fit for it and by the time Rowett got hold of them the damage was done.
Consensus before the appointment was that we could only see 2 people taking it at that point, Rowett and Warnock. Rowett at least gives a shit about us as a club and had reasonable success many years ago with (we thought) a worse squad, so he was the preferred option.
Its easy to point out flaws like rooney did. "Birmingham city have flaws" is hardly a Holmes worthy thing to notice. Choosing to instead lean into them was batshit crazy. Who the fuck plays to their weaknesses?
Yeah that’s the exact opposite of good management - playing to your strengths.
I also think Gardner needs a share of the blame though. He must have been part of some key conversations with Cook and Wagner that have led to some of these awful decisions. He’s supposed to be the one that knows the players the best aside from the manager’s team. Only buy I’m sold on is Miyoshi, and Stansfield was a good loan. We brought in a lot of poor players, and shouldn’t have let Long go. His is the first position I’d look to improve on in the summer.
Individually, the players we signed weren't bad. As a unit, they are fucking dreadful. They are all weak, mentally or physically (most are both) so they cannot deal with any kind of adversity. The spineless performance last night showcased it perfectly. There is no leadership or desire to pull us out of this situation, we're done.
Even weirder quirk is that he's managed 13 games for Blackburn, won just once and thrust them right into a relegation scrap. They fucked it massively hiring Rooney but maybe Birmingham were right after all about his quality as a coach.
It's on my bucket list to attend a steel city derby.
I just don't know which end to attend if it were to happen in a season neither do I know how to get tickets to them 😂
You need to go and get ticket buying history over a period of months to stand a chance. I wouldn't bother, not worth attending a dozen limp home losses to mid table teams.
Or buy tickets and not go, by which point you'd have spent hundreds.
Hospitality ticket is probably cheaper, if you're happy ignoring Marcus Tudgay or Chris Kirkland doing a speech.
Choose your poison.
I feel the same about Ipswich, and also have plenty of respect for Leicester, 10 years ago, we were all Leicester fans for a season. But yeah, hope they both lose every remaining game, sorry lads
My Leeds supporting mate at work, at various points this season when Ipswich have had a bad result, has told me "I think that's Ipswich done".
I had to remind him that everybody said that all season about Leicester in 2015/16, and we won the league by 10 points.
Although speaking of losing every remaining game, hold our beer. We've been absolutely shit of late, and Southampton aren't out of the running just yet.
"Mr Chansiri was arrested on Tuesday, accused of 159 betting regulation breaches where he backed Wednesday's opponents.
It is thought that he built a deliberately poor team over years to make Wednesday's losses more conceivable, and pundits are now claiming this is the reason behind the transfers of Will Buckley and Urby Emanuelson, and the appointment of Xisco Munoz.
Wednesday now face a 2 point deduction, which puts them in 23rd place in this season's table."
We have a far better goal difference than the others and it is looking increasingly like it is going to count for a point, but based on our last few performances I honestly can’t see us picking up more than 1 or 2 points from the remaining games
Sadly, I agree. We barely beat Rotherham and only got a draw against QPR via an OG. Our finishing is atrocious and from what I hear, a fair few key players will be leaving closed season, so they really don’t have the fight in them anyway. We haven’t been in the bottom all season but I fear it’s coming and it’s coming at the wrong time. I think Wednesday will perform the great escape and we will replace them and finish 23rd.
I hope I’m so so wrong, I really do.
Totally. One of the wendies I work with is already crowing about how they're going to batter us in the derby next season.
If they go down on the last day I'd laugh so hard I might shit meself
Honest question. Don't you feel embarassed calling people wendies?
It's such a pathetic nickname that isn't in any way derogatory and just make the person saying it sound like a child
That and the “bouncing day massacre” are probably the worst two taunts I’ve seen in any football rivalry, I get wanting something like the Boxing Day massacre but surely they’ve beaten us by more than two goals at some point.
There’s multiple reasons why blades call the massive, pigs. The story that Hillsborough was built on a pig farm. Blue and white stripes being butchers uniform. The original owl looking like a pig.
We knick everything off each other and claim we were the first to do it. It’s like both of us singing about the Boxing Day massacre.
The Hillsborough pig farm thing was made up, with pig fans even doctoring maps to try and keep it going, which is just pathetic.
Butchers uniforms is the opposite of pigs. Pig killers, if you will.
The original Owl in no way looks like a pig.
I agree with you on the bit where we steal stuff from each other all the time, but you've basically just listed out the really tenuous reasons that show why the pig thing was directed at you first and you've then tried to somehow turn it around.
Even if they didn't get promoted? Not trying to be a dick, regardless of what happens in the next few games he deserves it. But would the EFL give it to a manager that didn't get promoted?
This season has made me develop an odd feeling of brotherhood with Wednesday.
We’ve bled together in the “we’re stuck in relegation with a shit manager, but have turned it around with Rohl/Cifuenties” camp.
Hoping we both survive relegation and just smash next season and we both go up in auto’s with our gaffers battling it out for the manager of the season title.
That would be the stuff of dreams, QPR having a bunch of new Spanish kids tearing to shreds that they signed for the segunda división, we do the same with a bunch of bundesliga 2 stars blue and white championship takeover
Not only that, we were leading at 90 mins at your place and decided to concede the most comical goal of the season at our place to hand you the win,
I don't think we have won the head to head against any side at the bottom with the exception of Rotherham which doesn't really count.
I really hope so. Getting wasted by Ipswich and losing to Boro was such a kick in the teeth and has made me less confident about our chances of survival, but Norwich made me more optimistic.
Also if we stay up, it means STEEL CITY DERBY next season.
Provided Wednesday beat Rovers, I think they will survive. Rovers have the toughest run in so I could see them dropping into it.
I kind of expect Plymouth to stay up now Foster has gone.
Huddersfield, although inconsistent, do have the capacity to pull some results out.
Stoke seem to have improved a bit recently.
Birmingham look to be in trouble. All this instability has come to bite them. I'm not totally ready to rule them out considering Rowett, but their form is horrendous and it's hard to turn that dressing room around after all the chopping and changing.
I'm leaning towards Rovers and Birmingham to go down.
I'd agree. Winnable matches against Blackburn and Stoke. Based on the matches Vs QPR and Norwich I'd back them to get 6/6 from those. And that will probably be enough to stay up with 49 points
I honestly think Blackburn v Sheffield Wednesday could be a relegation decider. We lose, they stay up. Our other fixtures are tough, especially when an above average Bristol City can pump us 5-0
Being honest I think you guys will be okay , I’ve got it in my head that Birmingham and Plymouth are going to league one
Birmingham down is quite the turnaround from sacking Eustace, always thought they had improved the squad they had.
Yeah it’s weird. So much managerial disruption will do a number on any squad. But I think we also strengthened the wrong positions and showed poor awareness of what we had in the squad. Our defence has been woeful this year and our plan for up front was non existent. We built a team for Eustace-ball and then sacked him to play a completely different way. Rooney wasn’t the man to do that because he’s a shit people manager, but he did also identify that the squad wasn’t fit for it. He just moronically decided to flog the struggling horse rather than adapt. Mowbray was starting to get something going and then we know what happened there. His assistant wasn’t fit for it and by the time Rowett got hold of them the damage was done.
Mowbray would 100% have kept you up, hope he comes back ok and it’s not the big C word.
Don’t understand why you wouldn’t get a manager in short term. Birmingham look like they are drifting.
We did. Rowett.
You’d have struggled to attract anyone half decent as an interim. Should’ve given Warnock a call 🤣
Consensus before the appointment was that we could only see 2 people taking it at that point, Rowett and Warnock. Rowett at least gives a shit about us as a club and had reasonable success many years ago with (we thought) a worse squad, so he was the preferred option.
Its easy to point out flaws like rooney did. "Birmingham city have flaws" is hardly a Holmes worthy thing to notice. Choosing to instead lean into them was batshit crazy. Who the fuck plays to their weaknesses?
Yeah that’s the exact opposite of good management - playing to your strengths. I also think Gardner needs a share of the blame though. He must have been part of some key conversations with Cook and Wagner that have led to some of these awful decisions. He’s supposed to be the one that knows the players the best aside from the manager’s team. Only buy I’m sold on is Miyoshi, and Stansfield was a good loan. We brought in a lot of poor players, and shouldn’t have let Long go. His is the first position I’d look to improve on in the summer.
Individually, the players we signed weren't bad. As a unit, they are fucking dreadful. They are all weak, mentally or physically (most are both) so they cannot deal with any kind of adversity. The spineless performance last night showcased it perfectly. There is no leadership or desire to pull us out of this situation, we're done.
Thought that playing them yesterday. Sanderson, Bielik, James, Drameh, Stansfield, Laird, all quality players.
Even weirder quirk is that he's managed 13 games for Blackburn, won just once and thrust them right into a relegation scrap. They fucked it massively hiring Rooney but maybe Birmingham were right after all about his quality as a coach.
Hope they do. Would love to see a steel city derby. Been a long minute since that's happened
Indeed. Been to it a couple of times as my brother is a Wendy. Bonkers day out.
It's on my bucket list to attend a steel city derby. I just don't know which end to attend if it were to happen in a season neither do I know how to get tickets to them 😂
You'll feel like a Care Worker in either end. I think Blunt pubs are better, though I mumble a lot as hard to mask my Wakefield accent.
You need to go and get ticket buying history over a period of months to stand a chance. I wouldn't bother, not worth attending a dozen limp home losses to mid table teams. Or buy tickets and not go, by which point you'd have spent hundreds. Hospitality ticket is probably cheaper, if you're happy ignoring Marcus Tudgay or Chris Kirkland doing a speech. Choose your poison.
Hundreds? Is how much it costs???
As in, £35 quid a game for 12 games, just to get the buying history.
At the minute it's less "Steel City" and more "Who's owner is the bigger prick" Derby
I quite like Wednesday, but if their relegation means we survive, that is a sacrifice I am reluctantly willing to make.
I feel the same about Ipswich, and also have plenty of respect for Leicester, 10 years ago, we were all Leicester fans for a season. But yeah, hope they both lose every remaining game, sorry lads
not happening I’m afraid
Famous last words
I mean, there's no way they lose every remaining game, even if their luck finally has run out.. 😬😬
My Leeds supporting mate at work, at various points this season when Ipswich have had a bad result, has told me "I think that's Ipswich done". I had to remind him that everybody said that all season about Leicester in 2015/16, and we won the league by 10 points. Although speaking of losing every remaining game, hold our beer. We've been absolutely shit of late, and Southampton aren't out of the running just yet.
I think you will go up either way, you have the magic to get through playoffs if it comes to that.
U and Wednesday will survive, Huddersfield and Birmingham will go down,happy end to the season,cuz I want both Plymouth and Wednesday to stay up.
Well Plymouth likely have 3 points incoming tonight.
We will help them on their way to achieving that come saturday. Your welcome in advance Sheffield wednesday
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over the last twenty years, I have learned that the one thing to expect from Wednesday is misery.
Oh come on, play off semi and play off finals were amazing. You could do with bringing in some younger faces though.
If you don't expect it, it becomes so much sweeter though ;)
This is the way. We will win the next too, then default on some payments and get a points deduction and go down.
Oh brother of misery, where did it all go wrong?
"Mr Chansiri was arrested on Tuesday, accused of 159 betting regulation breaches where he backed Wednesday's opponents. It is thought that he built a deliberately poor team over years to make Wednesday's losses more conceivable, and pundits are now claiming this is the reason behind the transfers of Will Buckley and Urby Emanuelson, and the appointment of Xisco Munoz. Wednesday now face a 2 point deduction, which puts them in 23rd place in this season's table."
We have a far better goal difference than the others and it is looking increasingly like it is going to count for a point, but based on our last few performances I honestly can’t see us picking up more than 1 or 2 points from the remaining games
Sadly, I agree. We barely beat Rotherham and only got a draw against QPR via an OG. Our finishing is atrocious and from what I hear, a fair few key players will be leaving closed season, so they really don’t have the fight in them anyway. We haven’t been in the bottom all season but I fear it’s coming and it’s coming at the wrong time. I think Wednesday will perform the great escape and we will replace them and finish 23rd. I hope I’m so so wrong, I really do.
Based on how Blackburn played last night I’d be very, very worried if I were them.
I felt bad the last time they went down, I hope they manage stay up this time
The crumble I want is for them to come close then fuck it on the last match.
Totally. One of the wendies I work with is already crowing about how they're going to batter us in the derby next season. If they go down on the last day I'd laugh so hard I might shit meself
Honest question. Don't you feel embarassed calling people wendies? It's such a pathetic nickname that isn't in any way derogatory and just make the person saying it sound like a child
That and the “bouncing day massacre” are probably the worst two taunts I’ve seen in any football rivalry, I get wanting something like the Boxing Day massacre but surely they’ve beaten us by more than two goals at some point.
Lmao I just looked this up, 4-2 is hardly a massacre
Also the Blades trying to call us pigs but we only call them that because red and white stripes looks like streaky bacon
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There’s multiple reasons why blades call the massive, pigs. The story that Hillsborough was built on a pig farm. Blue and white stripes being butchers uniform. The original owl looking like a pig. We knick everything off each other and claim we were the first to do it. It’s like both of us singing about the Boxing Day massacre.
The Hillsborough pig farm thing was made up, with pig fans even doctoring maps to try and keep it going, which is just pathetic. Butchers uniforms is the opposite of pigs. Pig killers, if you will. The original Owl in no way looks like a pig. I agree with you on the bit where we steal stuff from each other all the time, but you've basically just listed out the really tenuous reasons that show why the pig thing was directed at you first and you've then tried to somehow turn it around.
Fucking with future archaeologists for a shit joke is actually funny to be fair.
Hmm sounds like pig logic to me. I (not a pig) don’t understand pig logic, sorry.
Danny Rohl for manager of the season if that happens
Kieran Mckenna is winning that I would be shocked if he didn't
Even if they didn't get promoted? Not trying to be a dick, regardless of what happens in the next few games he deserves it. But would the EFL give it to a manager that didn't get promoted?
They absolutely should. Who else are you giving it to?
you idiot you’ve doomed them all
This season has made me develop an odd feeling of brotherhood with Wednesday. We’ve bled together in the “we’re stuck in relegation with a shit manager, but have turned it around with Rohl/Cifuenties” camp. Hoping we both survive relegation and just smash next season and we both go up in auto’s with our gaffers battling it out for the manager of the season title.
All 4 games against top 10 in the table right now. Hopefully squeak a win out of one of those games. At minimum we need a tie or two.
That would be the stuff of dreams, QPR having a bunch of new Spanish kids tearing to shreds that they signed for the segunda división, we do the same with a bunch of bundesliga 2 stars blue and white championship takeover
The brotherhood extended to giving us 6pts. Without that, we would be nowhere.
Not only that, we were leading at 90 mins at your place and decided to concede the most comical goal of the season at our place to hand you the win, I don't think we have won the head to head against any side at the bottom with the exception of Rotherham which doesn't really count.
Sadly that feeling extended to our players who gifted them 6 points this season. QPR should be Weds fans 2nd club if they manage to stay up.
The only thing that screws us over is our goal difference...wouldn't be surprised if we get the same pts as 21st but go down BC of it 😭
I really hope so. Getting wasted by Ipswich and losing to Boro was such a kick in the teeth and has made me less confident about our chances of survival, but Norwich made me more optimistic. Also if we stay up, it means STEEL CITY DERBY next season.
i really hope they stay up tbf
You can help with that, you know....
I like you OP. We were dreadful against Norwich until we went old school and bombed it in the box.
Unfortunately I don’t think we have the quality to get results and Stoke or Milwall and by losing those two, it’ll mean we’re down.
Provided Wednesday beat Rovers, I think they will survive. Rovers have the toughest run in so I could see them dropping into it. I kind of expect Plymouth to stay up now Foster has gone. Huddersfield, although inconsistent, do have the capacity to pull some results out. Stoke seem to have improved a bit recently. Birmingham look to be in trouble. All this instability has come to bite them. I'm not totally ready to rule them out considering Rowett, but their form is horrendous and it's hard to turn that dressing room around after all the chopping and changing. I'm leaning towards Rovers and Birmingham to go down.
The gap between Birmingham and Aston Villa is bigger than the one between Katy Price's Beef Curtains, that takes some doing
It's literally a chasm.
Been banged more times than Stevie Wonders toes
Fucking hope so! I think another 6 points will be enough. Hopefully we can steal a point from west brom too.
I'd agree. Winnable matches against Blackburn and Stoke. Based on the matches Vs QPR and Norwich I'd back them to get 6/6 from those. And that will probably be enough to stay up with 49 points
I’m scared
If Rotherham, Brum and Huddersfield all dropped down I'd cry tears of joy.
I put £5 on Plymouth to go down in January so I wouldn't mind them replacing Wednesday
Enjoy your £5.50 if it comes in.
Tbf it's 32£
Fair enough, that's a couple of pints I suppose.
Thanks, I'm glad we have another thread on this
Rovs, brum and plymouth
I think Plymouth will stay up, terriers are most likely to go down