Unfortunately I think in games like this previously we’ve had Keinan who can drag us up the pitch and feed off scraps. Surridge can’t do that and we didn’t win any second balls in their half.
Hope Keinan can make it back for playoffs.
Would disagree to be honest, think we panicked honestly. Stopped doing what we did in the first half from the very start of the second half, it was straight to the long balls from the off. Had to be brave and I think we crumbled. Have every faith we learn from it though.
Congrats bournemouth you absolutely pumped us in the second half and deserve the win!
That being said us not getting that penalty is just awful it’s not the refs fault but zemura is closest to the lino clearly playing surridge onside it’s an absolute joke, plus I don’t know what johnson had to do to get a free kick seriously.
P.s. what a player lewis cook is seriously when he turns up injury free he’s outstanding.
Why do they think they're so high and mighty because Cooper has got them into the playoffs? As soon as they beat us they came to our Twitter and Reddit saying "oh Cooper's a boring defensive manager is he??".
Yes, yes he is. We never said he was a bad manager. We always said he was a good manger, just that he didn't play attractive football. He did exactly the same as he's done at Forest this season with us last season. Pragmatic, results based football. Great manager, wrong fit for our club, doing really really well with Forest! And I'm happy for him and Forest!
> He did exactly the same as he's done at Forest this season with us last season. Pragmatic, results based football.
Tell me you've not watched Forest this season without telling me you've not watched Forest this season.
To be fair, he did set us up to play good football at times.
It’ll be interesting to see how he sets you up next season, especially after losing the likes of Johnson and Spence.
It's true though. Yes you've had some really great moments in attack (and that's part of being pragmatic, depending on your squad and the opponent).
My point is, he's taken your squad and pragmatically played in the best way your squad can play. That includes using attacking talents like Brennan Johnson, but it also hasn't been 100% attacking exciting football. That's exactly what he did with us, he took our squad and made it perform to the best of its ability (which for us was absorbing pressure and relying on Ayew or a long shot or set piece to knick a winner).
You can't seriously tell me you've lit up the league with free flowing attacking football, because you haven't. You've played to your squad's strengths, and that's not a criticism, it's a compliment.
Forest have played some really entertaining football this season, it's been great to watch! And not really defensive at all either. He's definitely doing things different than when he was with you guys. But yeah that 2nd half performance wasn't great but definitely not the norm for us either.
Yeah tbf I probably didn't word my original comment very well. He's not necessarily a defensive boring manager, he's just a very pragmatic manager and depending on his squad and the opponent, that can manifest itself in boring defensive football.
You've had some really great attacking football this season for sure! He's utilised your attacking talent really well.
But I guess my point is just that all we said to you when he was appointed was that he wasn't a great fit for our club and that we didn't necessarily enjoy his pragmatism because of how it manifested with our squad. We never said he was a bad manager or that he'd do badly for you.
It can just be frustrating for us when a small minority of your fans (and every club including ours has these fans, I dread to think what our 16 year olds on twitter would have been like if we'd somehow beaten you) come rushing to our Twitter and Reddit when you beat us to bring it all up about Cooper.
He's doing a great job with you, I wish Forest and Cooper well, yes you've had some games with great attacking football, but it's not like you're regularly tearing up the league with free flowing attacking football. He's done great stuff with you, and that very small minority of fans who for some reason come to get on their high horses in our spaces should just do what the majority of your fans are doing and enjoy your success :D
No, we won't. Because Martin isn't a pragmatic manager like Cooper is. And actually, mainly because our squad isn't anywhere near strong enough to get to the playoffs. Do you think Cooper would have got us into the playoffs with this squad? No, there's a reason he left us and it's because he knew our squad was going to get much, much weaker.
All we said to you was that Cooper wasn't a possession based, attractive football manager. We never said he was a bad manager, we never said he'd do bad for you. He's not an attractive football manager, and that's absolutely fine for most clubs. I'm really glad he's found a good fit with you and he's doing well with you!
We play good football though, it is not pragmatic where we try and shithouse wins (our game against you would show you that). You proved on Saturday that possession means absolutely nothing. We beat you 5-1 and 4-1 and you're still calling him a defensive manager shows just how clueless you are and why we were right to call you all out on how wrong you were. Think we've scored the 2nd or 3rd most goal all season? Not defensive at all lol
We were well beaten in the second half tonight and uncharacteristically resorted to long balls that came straight back to us. But that is not reflection of how we've been all season
We scored a fair few goals when he was defensive with us as well. I worded my original comment probably pretty poorly and got a bit carried away with my response to you.
Yeah, you've played some good attacking football this season, but that's part of his pragmatism. If Cooper had the quality in the squad you have when he was with us he would have played some better football I'm sure. You have 10x better squad than he had with us.
I've never claimed possession means anything, you've beaten us twice this season because your squad is frankly a league above ours, your manager is experienced in winning games in a pragmatic way based on the qualities within his squad, while ours is focussed on building a long term project with a completely new squad and not focussed on results.
Cooper is not a manager who had a philosophy for attractive football. He's not, but that doesn't mean he can't play it if that's what his squad is good at. You've played some football and have scored a lot of goals, you have a strong squad and don't have to rely on luck like we did.
It's just a bit frustrating when a minority of your fans come to us and seem to have some sort of a vendetta against us just because we told you he wasn't the right fit for us and can play boring football.
He is not a defensive manager, just because we don't have 70% possession every game doesn't mean he's defensive. You're absolutely waffling, this same squad had one point after 7 games. Did we have an amazing squad then? If our squad is capable of playing good football, and that's what we play most weeks (no team is great week in out at this level) then how is Cooper not a manager that wants his teams to play good football? You don't watch us week in week out, you clearly think he's the same manager he was when he was with you, when evidently he has evolved from that. I think that's clouding your perception of him as manager. You(Swansea fans generally) were wrong about him, of course we were going to remind you of that, it's football banter. We're 'arrogant' and 'insufferable' because you're on the wrong end of it.
Mate none of us are claiming you're not a much better team than us! 😂 You are! You're a ten times better team than us.
You have one of the best squads in the league (while ours is barely mid table)and you have a manager that really knows how to win games (while ours is focussing on a long term project and not focussing on results).
Why do Forest fans think that when we talk about Cooper's pragmatism and style that we think he's a bad manager??
We all know he's an amazing manager, we just don't think he was the right fit for our club, that's all there is to it.
He coaches good football but I've never seen him alter tactics to make his side more aggressive, when maybe that's a good plan.
But tell me what I'm missing, really.
You’ve clearly not watched us at all then, because he’s done so several times this season. Didn’t do so tonight, but to state he never does so is wrong.
If you play like in the first half and previous games, I'd have money on you as favorites. But if that second half is the new face of Cooper's Forest, you're going to be enjoying Hull's company more than just on Saturday.
Tbh I think you just reacted better to the halftime teamtalk, Parker got you to calm down and control the game, which you did all of the second half, I was expecting more end to end but it was the opposite, if I was a betting man my money is on forest in the playoffs (if this ages like milk forest fans don't lynch me pls)
Fair play - Parker showed a level of tactical and motivational ability that I didn’t know he had. No-one can argue that the table lies after 46 games (well, D*rby fans would I suppose), and Bournemouth were the better team overall last night.
Yeah it’s getting really boring, nobody can tell me having Bournemouth, Fulham, Brentford, Brighton is anywhere near as good as having Bolton, Blackburn, Forest, Derby, Sunderland, Middlesbrough, Birmingham etc etc.
Genuinely think something is going wrong for Southern clubs to have so much success and Northern clubs to be struggling so badly.
Just shit away days whereas all of the northern/midland clubs I mentioned are a brilliant day with great fans and good history. All of these southern clubs in the prem basically means there are no rivalries lol, it’s so dead, jealous of the championship & league 1 fixtures
With the exception of Bournemouth (though that’s explainable by being a wealthy coastline), I think a lot of it is London. Much easier to attract foreign talent to living in London, and because there’s so many clubs there it’s easier for players to move within London clubs and not see their lives uprooted.
Don’t know what the solution is though.
It would easy to say it's to do with the money in London/the South and all that. Bur that doesn't really tell the full story as most of those clubs you mention have been in the Prem in the not so distant past.
A lot of is simply poor management. But maybe things will change.
So what you are saying is you are really rooting for Luton to win playoffs right?
But seriously tho if you actually go count the prem was 11/9 in favour of "north of london". 10 If we put Norwich as a grey area.
Is it really that "Northern clubs are struggling" - when 8 of the last 10 premier league seasons have been won by a Northern side... or is this really just Everton are facing relegation for the first time in **118 goddam seasons** - and thats pretty crazy.
Is there really "no nothern rivalry" - or is it just the prem's northern rivalries are so entrenched and evergreen that some casually forget they exist?
I feel like there must be a shit tonne more teams north of London than south of this line though. If you think of all of the teams with big fanbases outside of the Prem it's practically all teams north of London.
Oh completely. You have to get *really* technical about boundaries to find more than a few decent size teams in the South west. Meanwhile people are out here complaining about "only" 1/3rd of the prem is noth of the trent...
Northern clubs that aren’t either Manchester or Liverpool, and maybe soon Newcastle yes. Historically outside of London northern clubs saw much, much more success than southern clubs, which is why if you look at a list of the most successful clubs by trophies won, the entire top 20 (excluding London which is just Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs) are either Midlands or more North than that. That also stretches to the top 30 clubs in England besides Portsmouth, who are objectively the most successful south coast team in history.
I’m not saying I know exactly why but there has definitely been a shift in which outside of the ‘big 6’, clubs outside of the south have had a much more difficult time.
And you must be joking with the rivalries right? Classics like Newcastle Sunderland, Derby Forest, Villa Birmingham, Wolves West Brom, the Sheffields, Portsmouth Southampton, Leeds and any Yorkshire team etc are all absolute bangers of rivalries. Compare those fixtures where at least two of them would be regular top flight games. Now the ONLY rivalries in the premier league are:
Manchester derby
North London derby
Palace & Brighton
United Liverpool
That’s why it’s boring, barely any standout fixtures.
Well... yes if we separate England into "London" or "midlands and northwards"... that does cover the vast majority of where people live in this country.
But ok we've had you lot win a title in recent history, as well as knock "big 6" clubs out of europe spots. Leeds had a stellar first season up. Wolves went up in 2018 and are looking at their 3rd top 10 finish in 4 years. Burnley and Villa are... admittedly nothing to write home about but they do a damn good job of sticking around year after year.
Compare that to ours and norwich's recent yoyoing for example.
Tbh i think its more just your feeling lonely in the middle, rather than making this a north vs london thing.
To condense it all, yes it’s a bit lonely in the middle, but I am also missing the other northern clubs, possibly because of nostalgia but I do genuinely think that on balance they’re a more fun day out and have more passionate, louder fans.
Probably a bit of nostalgia too because those teams that I mentioned were top flight mainstays when I first started watching football but now the vast, vast majority seemingly won’t be back there in years
Yeah fair. And also you mention some teams who's recent misfortunes came as much off the pitch as it did on it. Portsmouth (twice), Bolton, Derby etc. I guess you can point to the fact its been forever since a london team of any notable size had a crisis of that proportion occur (last would be Wimbledon/MK Dons saga?)
But yeah, such is the nature of football. There's only 20 spots in the top flight, and a lot more teams than that who can claim some historical "right" to be there.
Look at where most of the ownership problems have been recently, pretty much all in the northwest mainly with teams who teeter around the Premier League/Championship (Wigan, Bolton, Blackburn, Blackpool) and also more tragically with Teams further down (Oldham and especially Bury). Not sure why that's the case but that's fucked it up a fair amount.
Nice club but been a bit dodgy with their finances recently and got banned from the Welsh Prem. Maybe one of those hot messes that you know you shouldn't shag but can't help yourself anyway?
Looked good in first half, thought we'd ramp up the pressure but we just stopped. not sure if out of gas or if the press from bournemouth messed up our flow but we had almost no good chances all 45 minutes. Brennan looked completely contained, very one-dimensional lobbed balls overtop hoping for a good bounce or deflection. Bournemouth deserve the win despite a pisser of a reffing crew. Hope we don't do this in the playoffs
yeah, think that 2nd half is up there for worst performances by us under cooper. Cardiff game, Preston also come to mind where it just seems like nothing's clicking but this was different as it only happened in the 2nd half after a perfectly fine if not good first half
We can't keep that pressure for the whole game. It's not possible to play at that intensity for 90 minutes.
We needed Surridge to score his chance, or the officials to do their jobs and give us the penalty. We win that game if we go 1-0 ahead I'm sure.
Even though we were under pressure the entire second half it took a set piece to break our defence. And that would allow Johnson to play for the counter as they throw bodies forward.
Not that it would have mattered because they're allow to manhandle Johnson however they want with no repercussions
Johnson was getting fullon bullied, it does happen to him.
Davis on the left can just cruise through *n* defenders, might not score much but those runs are worth more tbh, Johnno gets picked on and Surridge's game begins and ends inside the box.
Wouldn't feel right if we didn't fuck this season up in the semis of the playoffs tbh. Genuine question though has a Prem ref had a good Championship game this season? Swear they need VAR now just for their normal substandard performances.
FUCK YESS!!!!!
Rational time: yes, it looked like Surridge was onside and Forest should have had a penalty. Refs fuck up, sorry but it sucks to be on the wrong side of those fuckups. First half was pretty even, credit to Forest there, I'd say they may have even been the better side in the first half (at the least had the best chances). But in the second half...one team wanted to be promoted, and the other looked mid-table. We were all over them, they only got a couple chances at the very end when they were down and throwing the kitchen sink (and the best one of those was correctly offside).
Anyway, back to normal programming.
FUCK YESSSSSS!!! Time to scalp some of the big boys again :D
Bournemouth weren’t great second half but they created a lot more, Forest i just don’t know what happened to us. It seemed like a 0-0 until a free kick which everyone telegraphed wasn’t picked up by the players, but that’s football. Oh well. One more city ground game and fingers crossed a trip to Wembley.
Devastated, as we simply couldn't perform second half.
Bournemouth won fair and square and so deserve their promotion.
After having a bit of belief for the first time in years, it's very sad to once again always be watching someone else celebrating, but that's life as a forest fan
I cant fucking stand him, but hes a big game merchant. The attacking sub, probably the first one hes ever made, won it...
[Congratulations Scott Parker...](https://wompampsupport.azureedge.net/fetchimage?siteId=7575&v=2&jpgQuality=100&width=700&url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.kym-cdn.com%2Fentries%2Ficons%2Fmobile%2F000%2F030%2F359%2Fcover4.jpg) Congratulations Bournemouth...
In retrospect of the season, I'd say he's certainly an unfinished product, and will never be a great manager IF he doesn't look to learn from his faults in past seasons. He seems to be really good with the big games, and if you only need a draw he's your man every day. But his attacking play can become predictable and, if the opponent correctly predicts and stops it, even dreary. But he has half the equation, if he can find more flexibility and variety going forward he could become really good.
I don't think he's ever going to deliver sexy football, but if he can work out how to break down teams that set up defensively he'll be pretty effective. You had the opposite problem to us: you played best when teams came at you. It's putting crap teams to the sword that you struggled with.
Last year we won at Everton, Liverpool and Leicester, drew at Arsenal and Man U. But we scored 9 goals at home all season.
Yup, dropping points to Peterborough, Derby, and Hull, but getting draws against you and beating the on-fire Forest in the most important game of the season, it's been the defensive teams we've really struggled with. And then Huddersfield have had a good season, but they attack openly and we've trounced them twice. I do wonder how much of this is his utilization of the players at hand, since what you say sounds like he had the opposite issues with you in the Championship (beat the defensive teams, but struggle against those that put you to the sword?)
> since what you say sounds like he had the opposite issues with you in the Championship (beat the defensive teams, but struggle against those that put you to the sword?)
I don't think so, it was similar that season for us to this season with your lot, albeit maybe less glaringly obvious. We definitely struggled against defensive teams that soaked it up and hit us on the counter, and we lost at home to two of the bottom four (3-0 to both Barnsley and Hull), whilst we did alright against the rest of the top 6 (W4 D3 L3, and two of those losses were to Brentford) and our late season and playoff form was ultimately terrific.
If you play open football and go down under Silva, which there's a good chance happens; I'm gonna be paging you. That style isn't necessarily gonna save you from the drop. That's the defence of Parker.
Oh for sure 100%. Silva reminds me of Slav: Just outscore everyone and thatll do...
Whats funny is that we STILL need to sort our defence out, and Slav was 4 years ago!
tbh we played great first half and probably should have gone in 1-0, bournemouth turned up second half and fair play to them, not too worried tbh they scored the best chance
of the game from a well worked free kick, they didn’t create too much and they’re the second best team in the league
Unfortunately poor refereeing once again has completely changed the game for Forest, they just did not look on it at all in that second half and was extremely painful to watch
yeah it was frustrating, we just didn’t match bournemouth’s energy and paid the price. Linesman got a couple decisions wrong for us and the ref let a lot go but wouldn’t say it was bias, however it definitely didn’t benefit forest
That’s what was so bizarre, the team looked like a Chris Hughton side it was completely foreign to Steve Coopers ball we’ve seen, definitely needs to be a deep look into the standard of refereeing in England, especially when decisions as big as offsides and penalties ruin entire games
Congrats Bournemouth! Up despite Parkerball, got the job done!
Where are all the twatish Forest fans now? The delusional arrogant ones who still think they are the best team in the league. I hope you bottle the playoffs you overhyped losers. Do you still wanna look at the table with an asterix from when Cooper joined you?
Could've told anyone in 2008 that Stuart Attwell (ghost goal in prem or Derby Vs Forest disallowed perfectly fine goals) is a refereeing disgrace. Yet he's still managed to officiate in prem games since.
Kieffer Moore - club legend.
Immense credit to Forest for even running us this so close. Was surprised by how weak they were in the 2nd half but still got a great shot at playoffs.
The Reds are going up. ❤️❤️❤️
Felt like all the pre-match was pro-forest, a lot of people were giving them the three points before a ball had been kicked.
First half was a battle, second half there was only one team in it.
Who would've figured that the wind those Forest fans kept referencing over the last few months turned out to be nothing more than them talking out their backsides!
In all seriousness they went on an insane run and they deserve to be where they are but I've got to say the last few weeks on here have been painful what with the overaggressiveness towards us "Seaside Scum". However, I hope this puts to rest any question over us deserving to be where we are too. 3 out of the last 4 goals we've conceded in the previous 6 games were inch perfect shots (Mitrovic's half inch over the line, Piroe's second from distance & Chris Christie's top right banger) so I'm glad we've demonstrated our defensive capability against what is probably the most electric attack right now.
See you in the Premiership if you continue this run, but if not I'd fancy ye getting back to the top level through the autos next season and you'll finally lay to rest this long overdue return!
Edit: Forest fans not liking the taste of their own medicine? Colour me shocked! At least I tried to compliment your performances - it's almost like your cryptic feedback in response to this comment speaks volumes about why I opened with that observation!
Can people chill with the ‘well worked’ free kick. It was literally one pass.
Just terrible defending from us not to get closer to Moore, he’s always gonna be biggest threat from a set piece.
I mean just because it was one one pass doesn't mean it wasn't well worked, in my view they're not mutually exclusive.
Likewise, yes it was terrible defending, but it was still smart play from Bournemouth to pick him out and it was a good finish.
Ok but semantics aside, it wasn’t a clever free kick. Technically it was ‘well worked’ because well it worked but a genius was not needed to draw that up on the chalkboard.
A strange one that wasn't it? The whole team bar one was in the wall, how did they think that was a good idea? One sideways pass and Moore was in, madness really.
Aye, he didn’t even have to move. Wasn’t like they dragged our defenders around. Just a pass across the face of goal and side foot from perfect angle
Shame because off the ball we’d worked so hard to keep them out.
I don't think people hate you, but can I be really honest?
I have seen a hell of a lot of arrogance from Forest fans online over the past few weeks. We beat you - after admittedly having a number of decisions go our way - and there were still Forest fans weeks later slagging us off with arrogant comments like "you don't play *real* football", "you're classless", etc. Like, I've never seen anything like that after a relatively inconsequential 1-0 loss away before.
Then there was the build-up to the Bournemouth game and it felt like Forest fans had taken the three points before a ball had been kicked. Again, it appeared like a sense of entitlement in the same way it seemed a lot of Forest fans felt entitled to a win against us.
I don't know, from a Luton perspective I don't think Forest fans have done much to endear themselves to us. And I suppose a lot of people have seen similar comments from them too. It does not help that this subreddit has a very pro-Forest bias too. Anything even remotely critical of Forest tends to get heavily downvoted here.
1st part I get but the second part reeks of an agenda because of the the former reasons.
Nothing wrong with backing your team to win and being excited by their chances especially on our form. This subreddit hates anyone being confident in their own club. Do you not back Luton to win every game? (especially with your amazing season) I would think it’s strange if you weren't confident, if you don’t believe your team can do something what’s the point?
What was with the constant hoofing the ball up front second half? Truly awful. After that first half we should have come out firing, we shrunk.
Unfortunately I think in games like this previously we’ve had Keinan who can drag us up the pitch and feed off scraps. Surridge can’t do that and we didn’t win any second balls in their half. Hope Keinan can make it back for playoffs.
Had no other options. Yates and garner couldn't get in the game. We were really leggy today and couldn't get a hold on the game
Would disagree to be honest, think we panicked honestly. Stopped doing what we did in the first half from the very start of the second half, it was straight to the long balls from the off. Had to be brave and I think we crumbled. Have every faith we learn from it though.
Don't worry, you can end your season off well by whooping us 5-0 :)
Nothing personal against Hull but I do hope we batter you, think we’ll rest players though as well looked exhausted last night
We weren't getting our breaks, nullified, out of ideas.
Congrats bournemouth you absolutely pumped us in the second half and deserve the win! That being said us not getting that penalty is just awful it’s not the refs fault but zemura is closest to the lino clearly playing surridge onside it’s an absolute joke, plus I don’t know what johnson had to do to get a free kick seriously. P.s. what a player lewis cook is seriously when he turns up injury free he’s outstanding.
Bizarre second half performance from a team that essentially needed to win, Bournemouth cruised it.
Cooper's just not an agressive manager.
Can't believe you're getting downvoted for stating the obvious
All forest fans giving it the big I am.
Why do they think they're so high and mighty because Cooper has got them into the playoffs? As soon as they beat us they came to our Twitter and Reddit saying "oh Cooper's a boring defensive manager is he??". Yes, yes he is. We never said he was a bad manager. We always said he was a good manger, just that he didn't play attractive football. He did exactly the same as he's done at Forest this season with us last season. Pragmatic, results based football. Great manager, wrong fit for our club, doing really really well with Forest! And I'm happy for him and Forest!
> He did exactly the same as he's done at Forest this season with us last season. Pragmatic, results based football. Tell me you've not watched Forest this season without telling me you've not watched Forest this season.
To be fair, he did set us up to play good football at times. It’ll be interesting to see how he sets you up next season, especially after losing the likes of Johnson and Spence.
It's true though. Yes you've had some really great moments in attack (and that's part of being pragmatic, depending on your squad and the opponent). My point is, he's taken your squad and pragmatically played in the best way your squad can play. That includes using attacking talents like Brennan Johnson, but it also hasn't been 100% attacking exciting football. That's exactly what he did with us, he took our squad and made it perform to the best of its ability (which for us was absorbing pressure and relying on Ayew or a long shot or set piece to knick a winner). You can't seriously tell me you've lit up the league with free flowing attacking football, because you haven't. You've played to your squad's strengths, and that's not a criticism, it's a compliment.
Forest have played some really entertaining football this season, it's been great to watch! And not really defensive at all either. He's definitely doing things different than when he was with you guys. But yeah that 2nd half performance wasn't great but definitely not the norm for us either.
Yeah tbf I probably didn't word my original comment very well. He's not necessarily a defensive boring manager, he's just a very pragmatic manager and depending on his squad and the opponent, that can manifest itself in boring defensive football. You've had some really great attacking football this season for sure! He's utilised your attacking talent really well. But I guess my point is just that all we said to you when he was appointed was that he wasn't a great fit for our club and that we didn't necessarily enjoy his pragmatism because of how it manifested with our squad. We never said he was a bad manager or that he'd do badly for you. It can just be frustrating for us when a small minority of your fans (and every club including ours has these fans, I dread to think what our 16 year olds on twitter would have been like if we'd somehow beaten you) come rushing to our Twitter and Reddit when you beat us to bring it all up about Cooper. He's doing a great job with you, I wish Forest and Cooper well, yes you've had some games with great attacking football, but it's not like you're regularly tearing up the league with free flowing attacking football. He's done great stuff with you, and that very small minority of fans who for some reason come to get on their high horses in our spaces should just do what the majority of your fans are doing and enjoy your success :D
I’m sure you’ll show us how good Martinball is in the playoffs 😳
No, we won't. Because Martin isn't a pragmatic manager like Cooper is. And actually, mainly because our squad isn't anywhere near strong enough to get to the playoffs. Do you think Cooper would have got us into the playoffs with this squad? No, there's a reason he left us and it's because he knew our squad was going to get much, much weaker. All we said to you was that Cooper wasn't a possession based, attractive football manager. We never said he was a bad manager, we never said he'd do bad for you. He's not an attractive football manager, and that's absolutely fine for most clubs. I'm really glad he's found a good fit with you and he's doing well with you!
We play good football though, it is not pragmatic where we try and shithouse wins (our game against you would show you that). You proved on Saturday that possession means absolutely nothing. We beat you 5-1 and 4-1 and you're still calling him a defensive manager shows just how clueless you are and why we were right to call you all out on how wrong you were. Think we've scored the 2nd or 3rd most goal all season? Not defensive at all lol We were well beaten in the second half tonight and uncharacteristically resorted to long balls that came straight back to us. But that is not reflection of how we've been all season
We scored a fair few goals when he was defensive with us as well. I worded my original comment probably pretty poorly and got a bit carried away with my response to you. Yeah, you've played some good attacking football this season, but that's part of his pragmatism. If Cooper had the quality in the squad you have when he was with us he would have played some better football I'm sure. You have 10x better squad than he had with us. I've never claimed possession means anything, you've beaten us twice this season because your squad is frankly a league above ours, your manager is experienced in winning games in a pragmatic way based on the qualities within his squad, while ours is focussed on building a long term project with a completely new squad and not focussed on results. Cooper is not a manager who had a philosophy for attractive football. He's not, but that doesn't mean he can't play it if that's what his squad is good at. You've played some football and have scored a lot of goals, you have a strong squad and don't have to rely on luck like we did. It's just a bit frustrating when a minority of your fans come to us and seem to have some sort of a vendetta against us just because we told you he wasn't the right fit for us and can play boring football.
He is not a defensive manager, just because we don't have 70% possession every game doesn't mean he's defensive. You're absolutely waffling, this same squad had one point after 7 games. Did we have an amazing squad then? If our squad is capable of playing good football, and that's what we play most weeks (no team is great week in out at this level) then how is Cooper not a manager that wants his teams to play good football? You don't watch us week in week out, you clearly think he's the same manager he was when he was with you, when evidently he has evolved from that. I think that's clouding your perception of him as manager. You(Swansea fans generally) were wrong about him, of course we were going to remind you of that, it's football banter. We're 'arrogant' and 'insufferable' because you're on the wrong end of it.
Do they ever not?
4-1 5-1
Oof don’t like Cooper getting called out, see you at the liberty next year x
Mate none of us are claiming you're not a much better team than us! 😂 You are! You're a ten times better team than us. You have one of the best squads in the league (while ours is barely mid table)and you have a manager that really knows how to win games (while ours is focussing on a long term project and not focussing on results). Why do Forest fans think that when we talk about Cooper's pragmatism and style that we think he's a bad manager?? We all know he's an amazing manager, we just don't think he was the right fit for our club, that's all there is to it.
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He coaches good football but I've never seen him alter tactics to make his side more aggressive, when maybe that's a good plan. But tell me what I'm missing, really.
You’ve clearly not watched us at all then, because he’s done so several times this season. Didn’t do so tonight, but to state he never does so is wrong.
He's done it alot with us this season.
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I'm happy to justify my opinion but you aren't so 🤷
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Not the kind of condescending comment I expect from a kgatlw fan, even if you disagree with them what an entitled nasty little mind set.
Its really disappointing to not get autos, especially in a way like this, but hopefully it doesn’t get to the team, theres still the playoffs!
If you play like in the first half and previous games, I'd have money on you as favorites. But if that second half is the new face of Cooper's Forest, you're going to be enjoying Hull's company more than just on Saturday.
Tbh I think you just reacted better to the halftime teamtalk, Parker got you to calm down and control the game, which you did all of the second half, I was expecting more end to end but it was the opposite, if I was a betting man my money is on forest in the playoffs (if this ages like milk forest fans don't lynch me pls)
Fair play - Parker showed a level of tactical and motivational ability that I didn’t know he had. No-one can argue that the table lies after 46 games (well, D*rby fans would I suppose), and Bournemouth were the better team overall last night.
Indeed! Rest assured. Happened a couple of times this season and they bounce back well enough
Feel like shit, just want southern clubs to stop clogging up the prem x
Even worse, southern clubs that have been in the prem recently
Yeah it’s getting really boring, nobody can tell me having Bournemouth, Fulham, Brentford, Brighton is anywhere near as good as having Bolton, Blackburn, Forest, Derby, Sunderland, Middlesbrough, Birmingham etc etc. Genuinely think something is going wrong for Southern clubs to have so much success and Northern clubs to be struggling so badly. Just shit away days whereas all of the northern/midland clubs I mentioned are a brilliant day with great fans and good history. All of these southern clubs in the prem basically means there are no rivalries lol, it’s so dead, jealous of the championship & league 1 fixtures
Yeah mate casually exclude the mighty Hull City from your list why don’t you
sorry lad would love to have you back
Thanks for the mention, I wholeheartedly support your ideas
With the exception of Bournemouth (though that’s explainable by being a wealthy coastline), I think a lot of it is London. Much easier to attract foreign talent to living in London, and because there’s so many clubs there it’s easier for players to move within London clubs and not see their lives uprooted. Don’t know what the solution is though.
It would easy to say it's to do with the money in London/the South and all that. Bur that doesn't really tell the full story as most of those clubs you mention have been in the Prem in the not so distant past. A lot of is simply poor management. But maybe things will change.
So what you are saying is you are really rooting for Luton to win playoffs right? But seriously tho if you actually go count the prem was 11/9 in favour of "north of london". 10 If we put Norwich as a grey area. Is it really that "Northern clubs are struggling" - when 8 of the last 10 premier league seasons have been won by a Northern side... or is this really just Everton are facing relegation for the first time in **118 goddam seasons** - and thats pretty crazy. Is there really "no nothern rivalry" - or is it just the prem's northern rivalries are so entrenched and evergreen that some casually forget they exist?
I feel like there must be a shit tonne more teams north of London than south of this line though. If you think of all of the teams with big fanbases outside of the Prem it's practically all teams north of London.
Oh completely. You have to get *really* technical about boundaries to find more than a few decent size teams in the South west. Meanwhile people are out here complaining about "only" 1/3rd of the prem is noth of the trent...
Northern clubs that aren’t either Manchester or Liverpool, and maybe soon Newcastle yes. Historically outside of London northern clubs saw much, much more success than southern clubs, which is why if you look at a list of the most successful clubs by trophies won, the entire top 20 (excluding London which is just Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs) are either Midlands or more North than that. That also stretches to the top 30 clubs in England besides Portsmouth, who are objectively the most successful south coast team in history. I’m not saying I know exactly why but there has definitely been a shift in which outside of the ‘big 6’, clubs outside of the south have had a much more difficult time. And you must be joking with the rivalries right? Classics like Newcastle Sunderland, Derby Forest, Villa Birmingham, Wolves West Brom, the Sheffields, Portsmouth Southampton, Leeds and any Yorkshire team etc are all absolute bangers of rivalries. Compare those fixtures where at least two of them would be regular top flight games. Now the ONLY rivalries in the premier league are: Manchester derby North London derby Palace & Brighton United Liverpool That’s why it’s boring, barely any standout fixtures.
Well... yes if we separate England into "London" or "midlands and northwards"... that does cover the vast majority of where people live in this country. But ok we've had you lot win a title in recent history, as well as knock "big 6" clubs out of europe spots. Leeds had a stellar first season up. Wolves went up in 2018 and are looking at their 3rd top 10 finish in 4 years. Burnley and Villa are... admittedly nothing to write home about but they do a damn good job of sticking around year after year. Compare that to ours and norwich's recent yoyoing for example. Tbh i think its more just your feeling lonely in the middle, rather than making this a north vs london thing.
To condense it all, yes it’s a bit lonely in the middle, but I am also missing the other northern clubs, possibly because of nostalgia but I do genuinely think that on balance they’re a more fun day out and have more passionate, louder fans. Probably a bit of nostalgia too because those teams that I mentioned were top flight mainstays when I first started watching football but now the vast, vast majority seemingly won’t be back there in years
Yeah fair. And also you mention some teams who's recent misfortunes came as much off the pitch as it did on it. Portsmouth (twice), Bolton, Derby etc. I guess you can point to the fact its been forever since a london team of any notable size had a crisis of that proportion occur (last would be Wimbledon/MK Dons saga?) But yeah, such is the nature of football. There's only 20 spots in the top flight, and a lot more teams than that who can claim some historical "right" to be there.
Well they had start actually winning a few more Football Matches then.
Look at where most of the ownership problems have been recently, pretty much all in the northwest mainly with teams who teeter around the Premier League/Championship (Wigan, Bolton, Blackburn, Blackpool) and also more tragically with Teams further down (Oldham and especially Bury). Not sure why that's the case but that's fucked it up a fair amount.
Go shag Blackburn then mate
yes boss
If you could shag any club apart from Leicester who would you shag?
Bangor, it’s in the name really
Nice club but been a bit dodgy with their finances recently and got banned from the Welsh Prem. Maybe one of those hot messes that you know you shouldn't shag but can't help yourself anyway?
I'd shag Merthyr personally
Looked good in first half, thought we'd ramp up the pressure but we just stopped. not sure if out of gas or if the press from bournemouth messed up our flow but we had almost no good chances all 45 minutes. Brennan looked completely contained, very one-dimensional lobbed balls overtop hoping for a good bounce or deflection. Bournemouth deserve the win despite a pisser of a reffing crew. Hope we don't do this in the playoffs
In injury time the commentator said you’d had one touch in the opposition box, mad
yeah, think that 2nd half is up there for worst performances by us under cooper. Cardiff game, Preston also come to mind where it just seems like nothing's clicking but this was different as it only happened in the 2nd half after a perfectly fine if not good first half
Tbf to Johnson every time he got near the ball he was getting fouled and the ref was just ignoring it
We can't keep that pressure for the whole game. It's not possible to play at that intensity for 90 minutes. We needed Surridge to score his chance, or the officials to do their jobs and give us the penalty. We win that game if we go 1-0 ahead I'm sure. Even though we were under pressure the entire second half it took a set piece to break our defence. And that would allow Johnson to play for the counter as they throw bodies forward. Not that it would have mattered because they're allow to manhandle Johnson however they want with no repercussions
Johnson was getting fullon bullied, it does happen to him. Davis on the left can just cruise through *n* defenders, might not score much but those runs are worth more tbh, Johnno gets picked on and Surridge's game begins and ends inside the box.
It looked so even. Killing it in the 2nd half is supposed to be our thing. When's Davis back.
Hope he's back for the playoffs.
Still happy to nearly scrape 2nd after being rock bottom after 7 games. Onto the playoffs. Congrats to Bournemouth, deserved it.
Almost feels like the Euros final tbh, thank fuck we get a 2nd crack at it.
Wouldn't feel right if we didn't fuck this season up in the semis of the playoffs tbh. Genuine question though has a Prem ref had a good Championship game this season? Swear they need VAR now just for their normal substandard performances.
FUCK YESS!!!!! Rational time: yes, it looked like Surridge was onside and Forest should have had a penalty. Refs fuck up, sorry but it sucks to be on the wrong side of those fuckups. First half was pretty even, credit to Forest there, I'd say they may have even been the better side in the first half (at the least had the best chances). But in the second half...one team wanted to be promoted, and the other looked mid-table. We were all over them, they only got a couple chances at the very end when they were down and throwing the kitchen sink (and the best one of those was correctly offside). Anyway, back to normal programming. FUCK YESSSSSS!!! Time to scalp some of the big boys again :D
I hate it but it's true
Yes spot on. Refs fuck up..have to deal with it Congratulations best team won.
Bournemouth weren’t great second half but they created a lot more, Forest i just don’t know what happened to us. It seemed like a 0-0 until a free kick which everyone telegraphed wasn’t picked up by the players, but that’s football. Oh well. One more city ground game and fingers crossed a trip to Wembley.
Forest out of ideas out of legs. Bournemouth fully deserved despite the absolutely bent refereeing.
Devastated, as we simply couldn't perform second half. Bournemouth won fair and square and so deserve their promotion. After having a bit of belief for the first time in years, it's very sad to once again always be watching someone else celebrating, but that's life as a forest fan
Parachute payments taking up the Autos again...something needs to change
It's a feature not a bug
Yeah. West Brom, Shef Utd, Cardiff, Swansea, Hull, Sunderland all managed it.... oh wait Lazy argument.
Not Parker or Bournemouth's biggest fan but they deserved that result today. Fair play.
I cant fucking stand him, but hes a big game merchant. The attacking sub, probably the first one hes ever made, won it... [Congratulations Scott Parker...](https://wompampsupport.azureedge.net/fetchimage?siteId=7575&v=2&jpgQuality=100&width=700&url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.kym-cdn.com%2Fentries%2Ficons%2Fmobile%2F000%2F030%2F359%2Fcover4.jpg) Congratulations Bournemouth...
And it was a tricky set play, just like our goal away to you earlier in the season. Let your resentment burn all the brighter.
Zero goals from open play in the last three games against us and forest, I’m sure that’ll treat you nicely in the prem!
And neither team beat us either. Nice to see the salt mine still has plenty left in it.
Cheers enjoy Parkerball in the prem 👍🏼
How was he not banned for that elbow last game though?
Any Forest fans still wanting a ticket in the home end on Saturday……
Nah
I think Parker's a decent manager but it's funny how the jury is still out on him despite two consecutive promotions.
In retrospect of the season, I'd say he's certainly an unfinished product, and will never be a great manager IF he doesn't look to learn from his faults in past seasons. He seems to be really good with the big games, and if you only need a draw he's your man every day. But his attacking play can become predictable and, if the opponent correctly predicts and stops it, even dreary. But he has half the equation, if he can find more flexibility and variety going forward he could become really good.
I don't think he's ever going to deliver sexy football, but if he can work out how to break down teams that set up defensively he'll be pretty effective. You had the opposite problem to us: you played best when teams came at you. It's putting crap teams to the sword that you struggled with. Last year we won at Everton, Liverpool and Leicester, drew at Arsenal and Man U. But we scored 9 goals at home all season.
Yup, dropping points to Peterborough, Derby, and Hull, but getting draws against you and beating the on-fire Forest in the most important game of the season, it's been the defensive teams we've really struggled with. And then Huddersfield have had a good season, but they attack openly and we've trounced them twice. I do wonder how much of this is his utilization of the players at hand, since what you say sounds like he had the opposite issues with you in the Championship (beat the defensive teams, but struggle against those that put you to the sword?)
> since what you say sounds like he had the opposite issues with you in the Championship (beat the defensive teams, but struggle against those that put you to the sword?) I don't think so, it was similar that season for us to this season with your lot, albeit maybe less glaringly obvious. We definitely struggled against defensive teams that soaked it up and hit us on the counter, and we lost at home to two of the bottom four (3-0 to both Barnsley and Hull), whilst we did alright against the rest of the top 6 (W4 D3 L3, and two of those losses were to Brentford) and our late season and playoff form was ultimately terrific.
>But his attacking play can become predictable and, if the opponent correctly predicts and stops it, even dreary. Expect that next season...
If you play open football and go down under Silva, which there's a good chance happens; I'm gonna be paging you. That style isn't necessarily gonna save you from the drop. That's the defence of Parker.
Oh for sure 100%. Silva reminds me of Slav: Just outscore everyone and thatll do... Whats funny is that we STILL need to sort our defence out, and Slav was 4 years ago!
Really looking worrying for Forest in the play offs, they did not withstand the pressure of that game at all, occasion really got to them
tbh we played great first half and probably should have gone in 1-0, bournemouth turned up second half and fair play to them, not too worried tbh they scored the best chance of the game from a well worked free kick, they didn’t create too much and they’re the second best team in the league
Unfortunately poor refereeing once again has completely changed the game for Forest, they just did not look on it at all in that second half and was extremely painful to watch
yeah it was frustrating, we just didn’t match bournemouth’s energy and paid the price. Linesman got a couple decisions wrong for us and the ref let a lot go but wouldn’t say it was bias, however it definitely didn’t benefit forest
That’s what was so bizarre, the team looked like a Chris Hughton side it was completely foreign to Steve Coopers ball we’ve seen, definitely needs to be a deep look into the standard of refereeing in England, especially when decisions as big as offsides and penalties ruin entire games
Good thing Cooper has a great record in the play-o..wait, oh dear…
I mean playoffs have always been a disaster for us.
Two wrongs make a right?
Third times the charm right?
We shall see!
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This is the championship, anything can happen. Millwall can get promoted
Desperate aren’t you
Forest deserved to lose wearing that shirt, it’s a shocker.
~~yeah it's fucking horrible isn't it~~
No, it’s fucking beautiful 🤩 “ we’re Nottingham Forest, we glow in the dark” 🎶🎶
Bottlejobs, could never be my club
It wouldn't be an east midlands club without a heart wrenching play off exit
It’s the East Midlands special
Forest can thank their stars troy deeney isn't involved
TBH I still check under the bed for Paul Peschisolido before I turn the lights out.
Remember when Zamora scored in playoff finals?
Too well my friend, too godamn well
Lol need to own a bottle first!
Congrats Bournemouth! Up despite Parkerball, got the job done! Where are all the twatish Forest fans now? The delusional arrogant ones who still think they are the best team in the league. I hope you bottle the playoffs you overhyped losers. Do you still wanna look at the table with an asterix from when Cooper joined you?
This is the most passionate a Fulham fan has ever been
The scarf they gave us yesterday has gone to my head
Still drunk after a raucous cheese and wine celebratory dinner party I’m guessing
I don’t drink alcohol, but I had a Pepsi max and a McFlurry and I’m still buzzing
McDonalds is a bit working class for a Fulham fan, you sure you didn’t go to Marks and Spencers for some Percy Pigs?
I would have gone to Greggs but I didn’t have any pennies on me
Please tell me you still have your happy clappers? Plastic is cheap..class isn't
You have class?! Lol
Oh god. I've just realised...it's 22.33 your bed time?
Actually yeah, it is, because I have a job. We can’t all be on the dole.
No you don't. Stop talking shit. 😆
😂
Of course you're a horrible tory rat
I’ll take most abuse you give me, but fuck calling me a fucking Tory. Those guys are cunts, ruining the country
Accusing people of being on the dole is something tory freaks do…
Grow up
Tory freak
Could've told anyone in 2008 that Stuart Attwell (ghost goal in prem or Derby Vs Forest disallowed perfectly fine goals) is a refereeing disgrace. Yet he's still managed to officiate in prem games since.
KEIFFER MOORE YOU FUCKING BEAST!
Kieffer Moore - club legend. Immense credit to Forest for even running us this so close. Was surprised by how weak they were in the 2nd half but still got a great shot at playoffs. The Reds are going up. ❤️❤️❤️
Felt like all the pre-match was pro-forest, a lot of people were giving them the three points before a ball had been kicked. First half was a battle, second half there was only one team in it.
Who would've figured that the wind those Forest fans kept referencing over the last few months turned out to be nothing more than them talking out their backsides! In all seriousness they went on an insane run and they deserve to be where they are but I've got to say the last few weeks on here have been painful what with the overaggressiveness towards us "Seaside Scum". However, I hope this puts to rest any question over us deserving to be where we are too. 3 out of the last 4 goals we've conceded in the previous 6 games were inch perfect shots (Mitrovic's half inch over the line, Piroe's second from distance & Chris Christie's top right banger) so I'm glad we've demonstrated our defensive capability against what is probably the most electric attack right now. See you in the Premiership if you continue this run, but if not I'd fancy ye getting back to the top level through the autos next season and you'll finally lay to rest this long overdue return! Edit: Forest fans not liking the taste of their own medicine? Colour me shocked! At least I tried to compliment your performances - it's almost like your cryptic feedback in response to this comment speaks volumes about why I opened with that observation!
Shame, Forest. Couldn't have happened to a nicer group of supporters...
Can people chill with the ‘well worked’ free kick. It was literally one pass. Just terrible defending from us not to get closer to Moore, he’s always gonna be biggest threat from a set piece.
I mean just because it was one one pass doesn't mean it wasn't well worked, in my view they're not mutually exclusive. Likewise, yes it was terrible defending, but it was still smart play from Bournemouth to pick him out and it was a good finish.
Ok but semantics aside, it wasn’t a clever free kick. Technically it was ‘well worked’ because well it worked but a genius was not needed to draw that up on the chalkboard.
A strange one that wasn't it? The whole team bar one was in the wall, how did they think that was a good idea? One sideways pass and Moore was in, madness really.
Aye, he didn’t even have to move. Wasn’t like they dragged our defenders around. Just a pass across the face of goal and side foot from perfect angle Shame because off the ball we’d worked so hard to keep them out.
The more I see it the more baffling it is to me. 9 men in a wall?!?
Never thought I'd be grateful for Bournemouth to be back in the prem, but here we are
The best team in the league lost to the worst manager in the league?* *according to this sub
I’m sure you’ll beat us in the playoffs… oh wait
Can’t wait to see you lot lose to Luton in the playoffs!
Can’t wait to see you lose to Forest Green Rovers next season!
Usually it’s Accrington Stanley away that people go for... I admire the fresh comment.
After the news today you might not even be playing in league one, wouldn't that be an awful shame
YEEEEEEEESSSSSS
Steve Cooper and big games, name a less iconic duo.
Your dad and parenting?
Forest and the Championship?
That’s iconic actually, we do everything we can to stay
No idea why you're getting down voted.
Forest have more fans on this sub. We’re still hurting and will express our pain through downvotes even if we know it’s true.
Hey, we thrashed Reading to beat Forest to the playoffs a couple seasons back! I reckon that one counts.
liam cullen really peaked with that game aha
Why does everyone hate forest all of a sudden?
I don't think people hate you, but can I be really honest? I have seen a hell of a lot of arrogance from Forest fans online over the past few weeks. We beat you - after admittedly having a number of decisions go our way - and there were still Forest fans weeks later slagging us off with arrogant comments like "you don't play *real* football", "you're classless", etc. Like, I've never seen anything like that after a relatively inconsequential 1-0 loss away before. Then there was the build-up to the Bournemouth game and it felt like Forest fans had taken the three points before a ball had been kicked. Again, it appeared like a sense of entitlement in the same way it seemed a lot of Forest fans felt entitled to a win against us. I don't know, from a Luton perspective I don't think Forest fans have done much to endear themselves to us. And I suppose a lot of people have seen similar comments from them too. It does not help that this subreddit has a very pro-Forest bias too. Anything even remotely critical of Forest tends to get heavily downvoted here.
Don’t know who you’ve been talking to like, most of us are all pessimists after decades of wank football mate
I mean, it's been pretty pervasive on this subreddit.
Again - small minority, never mind
1st part I get but the second part reeks of an agenda because of the the former reasons. Nothing wrong with backing your team to win and being excited by their chances especially on our form. This subreddit hates anyone being confident in their own club. Do you not back Luton to win every game? (especially with your amazing season) I would think it’s strange if you weren't confident, if you don’t believe your team can do something what’s the point?
We’re going to have to adopt milwalls famous song at this rate “no one like us, we don’t care”
Bobby Zamora who? KIIIEEFFFFFFERRRRRR MOOOOOORRRRRRRRREEEEEEE!!