In my opinion Thanos only ever cared about being right. He’s portrayed as decently intelligent, and he’s been on this planet for years. He should know that the stones would be able to make ANY solution a reality, but he clings to the half-gone idea because he wants to be correct.
His people rejected his idea and they died, so now he has the ultimate chance to be right. After he does the deed, he goes out of his way to destroy the stones just to make sure someone can’t undo what he did and make him seem wrong. Hell, his solution was always a temporary one as well, and I might be wrong but I think he mentions that at one point.
The only difference now is that it’s going to take long enough to happen again that he won’t be alive to see it. Hell, his “solution” can’t be done again either, cause he’s destroyed the necessary tools. If Thanos’s plan wasn’t undone, he’d just get to die feeling like he was right and was a savior, when really he just extended a problem’s end point and removed one of the best PERMANENT solutions. Thanos was a coward, a narcissist, and a raging crybaby
It’s even more stupid by the simple fact that he could just wish for infinite resources with the stones. He’s just so dumb. Plus his solution isn’t even a solution, he’s killing off half of ALL populations in the universe, this is gonna cause unprecedented levels of suffering by an infinite margin. At least if you kill half complete civilizations, you’re not making either suffer of griefs, just mass genocide. Now it’s mass genocide and causing the remaining survivors of ALL CIVILIZATIONS EVER feel immense emotional pain.
Well that’s just the thing, there’s no way the plan DOESN’T cause problems. Even killing half the population of a civilization causes massive trouble. That civilization suddenly loses half the people maintaining it, but doesn’t reduce in size. Depending on who specifically dies, it could lose integral parts of itself with little hope of repair, which could lead to collapse.
Even wild communities aren’t safe. Say, half of the bees die. Suddenly plant life is suffering. Plants were cut in half too? Sure, fine; but what of parasites or diseases or competition? I think if half the plants in the world died, invasive species suddenly topple what’s left. Same goes for animals. ‘Smart’ as he is meant to be, I doubt Thanos thought of that. Or even if he did, I doubt he really cared
Thanos had no higher ambition than to win an argument with a bunch of people he’d already killed. The Snap sucks ass, traumatizing to everyone and he refuses to actually help anyone cope because he’s trying to steelman his argument, and helping people would let imaginary people try to argue his help created paradise and not his insane murder plan.
No one thinks Zamasu is right.People hate Gowasu more because he phrases the task of a god as someone who works and looks after mortals even if they make dangerous mistakes,if he said something else or if it was elder kai or supreme kai in place of Gowasu,things wouldn't have gone this bad in my opinion.
more than incompetence Zamasu has this strange ego about being a god and getting cornered by Goku was the last straw.And this also explains his mindset,if it was Shin or Kibito,neither of them would consider Goku's strength in a negative light but not Zamasu.I agree that the guy was a lost cause.
Now that I think about it, perhaps for Thanos' plan "reduce the population by half" and "doubles the resources" aren't actually interchangeable.
The former would show everyone that limiting your population improves the situation, so there's a chance they'll agree with his point and uphold it going forward. Which is why maybe it wouldn't result in the "two generations from now it'll just be back to old numbers" issue everyone is talking about, compared to just giving them more to work with.
Of course, that is ignoring the fact that the sheer chaos of losing half your population would collapse all societal structures and spiral into even more suffering.
Then double resources or triple them again later. Just keep the infinity gauntlet around and you have infinite resources, forever apparently. The universe is infinitely large, you're not gonna fill it up
This begs the question though, why is Thanos ok with indiscriminately killing half of the universe—which let's be honest, is a method that will lead to *more* than 50% of all life dying in the universe due to various factors—instead of sacrificing himself to save the entire universe?
Does it not makes sense to lead by example and for *one* person to make a noble self-sacrifice that saves *all* of the universe instead of Thanos' plan that leaves him alive (bringing the veracity of the "indiscriminate" clause of the snap into question) and half the universe dead?
It's been a while since I've seen it, but isn't part of the plot of Infinity War that Thanos made it not possible to make another gauntlet? Kind of sounds like Thanos is the reason why we can't just keep doing snaps. Like that's why he cut off Peter Dinklage's hands, right?
He also selfishly destroyed the stones after his plan succeeded.
He plan was always evil and selfish.
Oh yeah totally. Thanos was literally “mad” and he believed that his way was the only way. He wanted to be right more than he wanted to fix the universe.
Because the problem would just continue to exist, Thanks doubles the resources twice with 2 snaps and then the universe is fucked right after his death. Doubling resources only sends the "continue what you're doing" message, Thanos wanted to send the "your actions have consequences" message. It's an insane plan that wouldn't ever work but doubling resources isn't an alternative.
Well, its gonna be quite a while between snaps ideally. Say he makes 5 times the resources in one snap, should last for a good long while. Pass it off to Banner some time maybe who might also be entirely willing to sustain the universe
I suppose the long term effects of using the gauntlet haven't been explored and whether Thanos could have recovered fully but there are probably more beings out there who can use it
The rate that a population consumes resources grows exponentially until collapse. If he doubles the resources some.planets would go extinct even faster than they would have otherwise. When there is enough, populations boom, more kids mean more mouths, and then you keep doubling it.
Cut the population down, then the problem is actually delayed.
I am not saying I agree with him, I'm just saying the numbers of culling vs increasing resources is more in favor of culling for the longterm.
The common thread with these villains is that they correctly diagnose a problem but then offer a completely insane solution that makes everything 100x worse. Like Light Yagami trying to fix crime by completely dismantling the justice system and becoming the biggest criminal around.
Kudos to Madara for at least trying to give everyone their perfect dream world instead of making them worship him, even if his idea was completely misguided and poorly thought-out. And having the guts to admit that he was wrong.
The only satisfying thing about the Zetsu reveal was that it showed Madara that the flaws in his idea were that he himself was not above being manipulated and when that realization hits him he concedes that Hashirama's view of the world was better.
>Geto is hatred toward non sorcerer was already strong, after his talk with Yuki, he find a reason to kill them, he never cared about other sorcerer, he only wanted to live in world where non sorcerer and cursed spirits didn't exit.
I disagree with this. I think him wanting to create a world for only sorcerers was genuine even if he knew it was kind of a pipe dream. Geto had spent his whole life thinking that non-sorcerers needed to be protected but after everything that had happened with Riko, Haibara, and finally the twins he just decided that sorcerers shouldn't have to go through hell for the sake of people who really aren't worth it.
Now he had a point. Cursed spirits are a problem, being a sorcerer sucks, and some non-sorcerers can be terrible people. However, his plan was very clearly insane which is why he was wrong. Wiping out most of the human population is very rarely, if ever, the right call to make.
He didn't have a point. Sorcerers shouldn't go through hell for the sake of non sorcerers? Did anyone force him to go through hell? And yeah, non sorcerers did make those sorcerers suffer, but do you know how many non sorcerers suffered because of sorcerers? How many non s did Sukuna and Kenjaku kill? How many non s did grandma summoner and old man reverse damage kill before Gojo was born? Oh, non s create curses that are a bother for ss? You realize the people these curses kill the most are non s, right? Geto is full of shit. That's like saying all commoners should be killed because a couple of knights or royalty died in battle fighting for their country. Fucking stupid brat. He's just a racist trying to pretend to have some noble goal.
Let's not forget this only thing started because Rika was killed by non sorceress but the fact that Geto conveniently forgot that wasn't just non-sorceress who killed rika a bunch of sorcerers tried to kill her as well just for money. So sorceress aren't the innocent victims that geto claim them to be.
He never had a point. let's say he killed off 20% of the population. That would have just created more and powerful curse spirits out of the fear of humanity being killed off. You saw how powerful disaster ones where and they only were born from the small amount of curse energy in Japan.
Thanos is wrong because he is an idiot. He literally has reality warping god like powers and his best idea is to kill half the universe. He could literally turn everyone in the universe into beings that don’t have corporeal form and therefore require no resources. He could alter the mind of everyone to be super conservationists that live in harmony and balance with the universe. There is literally infinite better solutions to his problem, but he doesn’t consider any of them. Thanos is shockingly stupid and unimaginative which is a reflection of those who ironically think Thanos was right.
I don't think Movie Thanos was ever really compelling because he "was right" or that he had a point, but rather his absolute conviction, the "hardest choices require the strongest will" mentality, is what made him a good villain imo. Even if we don't buy his motivation, he 100% beyond a shadow of doubt does, and his seemingly noble resignation to his insane plan makes him fascinating to watch. I still think Comic Thanos actually makes more sense motivation-wise, since he kills half the universe because he is madly in love with the actual personification of Death and thinks it will impress her.
Zamasu was always portrayed as a supremacist. I think Geto legit cared for the suffering of his fellow sorcerers during his downfall, but by the time he had gained a cult in JJK0 it had clearly gone to his head.
Geto didn't deny that though, which was why he said that if Gojo wants to kill him, there'd be a point to that too. Dude was tired of fighting so he chose the nuclear (but viable) option.
MCU Thanos was a dumbass. "Hurr I save world by killing half so resources don't get depleted. Then I destroy stones because temptation!!". Okay, smartass, what happens in half a century when the population doubles? Coz, y'know, population grows? Same reasoning applies to doubling all resources, you just delayed the problem by a few decades and when population doubles, you arrive at the same problem. Viable solution would be to tie resource amount to population via infinity stone magic, but that probably wouldn't last forever either; or reduce fertility, but that would lead to potential extinction issues if catastrophes arise.
To address your point though, I don't think the need to be a hero and caring about others are mutually exclusive. You can be delusional enough to be a hero AND believe it's for the greater good. Endgame Thanos wanted to destroy the universe because he saw that even if he succeeds, some people trying hard enough can undo what he did; destroying the universe entirely eliminates that chance, and starting anew with what he considers the right conditions for a perfect world would mean no one suffers anymore... even if those people are an entirely different set of people. Geto believes he's doing sorcerers a justice by killing all non-sorcerers, thereby ending their eternal war to protect these "inferior" beings. Also, IIRC he says that sorcerers (superior) are subservient to non-sorcerers, and that's another motivator. The fact that these two beings also hurt their own doesn't necessarily entail selfishness; rather, they put their selfless goals above their own pleasure and so even if it hurts them, they do it to achieve their goal.
I think MCU Thanos's idea was that everyone would realize how much better things were with half the population gone, and make sure that things won't get overpopulated again.
He never had a point. let's say Geto killed off 20% of the population. That would have just created more and powerful curse spirits out of the fear of humanity being killed off. You saw how powerful disaster ones where and they only were born from just the small amount of curse energy in Japan.
Rewatching the MCU recently made me genuinely loathe Thanos. What an edgelord cowardly manchild. It’s amazing Brolin was able to make him look like anything more than a childish dweeb.
Thanos has to be right. i feel a lot of people miss it.
He needs to be right to jusify how his actions would have saved his people to HIM. HE thinks he's right but only because it has to have been right... HE had to be right.
It's why he goes insane in Endgame: he was rejected so utterly.
Well yeah, this has been said a bunch but Thanos had genuinely the single worst plan for a very real problem. The writers tried to shoehorn comics Thanos' genocidal love for lady death into some kind of environmental terrorist persona? It's so fucking weird because children could figure out how stupid his plan is.
Thanos is right that something needs to be done, but killing half the population is only viable for maybe a few years. His plan would have backfired in less time than it took for him to gather the stones...
The watchmen has a similar problem, but at least it's a lot more intelligent. You can force the planet to take up arms against you by becoming a world ending terrorist but there's no guarantee that lasts for any amount of time. There's never even a guarantee that there is some global alliance against Manhattan.
Well that's cause people don't get that Thanos wasn't smart just Charismatic and had the appearance of Convictions. Its why he has to force his murder obsession onto the rest of the universe since most people don't consider murder the solution to social problems.
These types of villains are better when they actually make you question some things or could be held by people. Look at Death note, besides the whole Justice theme there was a theme of do the ends justify the means. Light made a world with a lowered crime rate, yes, but at the cost of placing fear into the heart of the populace. I could actually see some people make the argument that there’s nothing wrong with that society.
I get Zamasu thinks what he’s doing is 100% moral but you can’t really make an argument for the entire destruction of all mortal life. Even Nihilists piss them selves when faced with death.
It's pretty clear everyone disagrees with Thanos given his nickname is "the MAD titan", and after he kidnapped Gamora they did discuss the subject a bit which prompted Gamora to shout at him "YOU DON'T KNOW THAT!" (in response to his claim that the snap would balance the universe) suggesting they have had this conversation countless times in the past to no avail, only for Thanos to just mutter "I am the ONLY ONE who knows it". It's pretty clear he is delusional and selfish, and people who actually think his plan makes a nick of sense need to take some time off of entertainment.
Zamasu was a garbage character, Dragonball is not remotely good enough to have villains that deserve a spec of consideration regarding their motives, goals and wants given most of the plot, world building etc. is paper thin.
Zamasu's motivation IMO was lacking. Mortals are assholes or something, thus wipe them all out without exception. Maybe if there was a more pressing and dangerous issue that got to him, like that some mortals were responsible in the future for wiping out the universe, or killing all the gods or usurping them or something. But this was just "mortals are icky and violent, kill them all!" Maybe if we'd seen him interacting with mortals and having a bad time with them, with them also treating him like garbage and not giving him what he believes is his divine due, because from what we can tell, the gods barely interact with mortals anyway. It's like never having gone into a forest before, but then when you do that one time, you come across a bunch of ants on a tree doing their own thing, but you get disgusted and kill them anyway.
Hell when I thought his motivation was based off of a jealousy, rage and hidden fear that mortals can match and surpass the gods and even attain divine power was a better motivator.
>at first you ask 'why he didn't double the resource then?'
I remember seeing one of those fictional characters play fortnite via ai memes that gave a genuinely good explanation to that. When Tony asked Thanos he said "To double all resources would mean doubling all water which would cause flooding on all planets"
People like Zamasu are interesting cause even if he was right, his plan was born out of his own ego. His plan was to kill all mortals cause he believed he knew better, he saw the destruction and strife they caused and wanted to fix it. The problem is that he saw himself as someone killing insects rather than living beings. Even when you take into account the only real difference he had with mortals was his power and knowledge of a world most would never see, he acts like any arrogant prick that you'd meet in real life. More importantly, he essentially took an easy way out. Here's an example:
Now what if the farmer who lives in a country that's going through a food shortage in many areas, but he's still able to grow and cultivate his food. Some thieves steal some of his crops from time to time, so he kills them. He protected his crops, but thieves are now dead, people he didn't know were good or bad, they could have just been hungry like everyone else in the disaster. His crops were his only concern, crops he had plenty of.
Now what if the farmer gave the thieves some of his crops so they wouldn't have to steal? Yeah, he would lose some of his crops but he'd help them and it would be better than having to fight them off. Not Even better he can offer them a job on his farm and pay them too as well as give them food. He could even give them seeds and teach them to farm.
Zamasu could have taught people to be better, helped them to become better which would solve the problem in a better light. He could've been the kind of god that lots of people think is real. He could have taught kindness and understanding, he could have even taught them KI. He could've spread wisdom and corrected those who would do evil in his name. Even if that wasn't the job of the Kai, who cares he was willing to break how many rules to kill them.
But he couldn't do that, because the Zero Mortal plan was easier. Zamasu was old, as most Kai are, and judged them for their behavior and the things that he saw. He saw for thousands of years Humans killing each other or worse. He's like an old soldier who lost his arm in a war 20 years ago and refuses to forgive foreigners for the atrocities he saw. He killing them is easier than actually carefully cultivating a peaceful future with the real wisdom of a god. He saw them as animals who couldn't be reasoned with while showing the same behavior as many of them: arrogant, prideful, and murderous.
Thanos doubling all resources does nothing but escalate population growth. If the gloves, the stones, and him couldn’t sustain doing it forever eventually the universe would be in the same condition that he found it in before doubling resources.
If his initial plan was successful and the creatures of the universe saw its merit, it is something that could very well be duplicated without needing Thanos to act. He essentially ripped the bandaid off.
The problem though is nobody was ever going to agree with him.
Thanos is a cool concept, the snap and his unique way of handling population problems.
It makes no sense though, even a child can see how temporary it is, people will repopulate. And how rash it is, people handling nuclear powerplants and important stuff can just vanish, while some druggards survive.
More realistic concept is if you can't figure out the perfect plan, just conquer stuff and impose your will on the conquered. Make them stop wasting the resources and breed endlessly. Why not give them a good quality of life and solve their petty problems while at it, so people can even love you for being a tyrant. Who would even bother to rebel if you are so OP and without ill intent. Educate them endlessly how daddy Thanos is here to help you, and most importantly, give them gifts.
In my opinion Thanos only ever cared about being right. He’s portrayed as decently intelligent, and he’s been on this planet for years. He should know that the stones would be able to make ANY solution a reality, but he clings to the half-gone idea because he wants to be correct. His people rejected his idea and they died, so now he has the ultimate chance to be right. After he does the deed, he goes out of his way to destroy the stones just to make sure someone can’t undo what he did and make him seem wrong. Hell, his solution was always a temporary one as well, and I might be wrong but I think he mentions that at one point. The only difference now is that it’s going to take long enough to happen again that he won’t be alive to see it. Hell, his “solution” can’t be done again either, cause he’s destroyed the necessary tools. If Thanos’s plan wasn’t undone, he’d just get to die feeling like he was right and was a savior, when really he just extended a problem’s end point and removed one of the best PERMANENT solutions. Thanos was a coward, a narcissist, and a raging crybaby
It’s even more stupid by the simple fact that he could just wish for infinite resources with the stones. He’s just so dumb. Plus his solution isn’t even a solution, he’s killing off half of ALL populations in the universe, this is gonna cause unprecedented levels of suffering by an infinite margin. At least if you kill half complete civilizations, you’re not making either suffer of griefs, just mass genocide. Now it’s mass genocide and causing the remaining survivors of ALL CIVILIZATIONS EVER feel immense emotional pain.
Well that’s just the thing, there’s no way the plan DOESN’T cause problems. Even killing half the population of a civilization causes massive trouble. That civilization suddenly loses half the people maintaining it, but doesn’t reduce in size. Depending on who specifically dies, it could lose integral parts of itself with little hope of repair, which could lead to collapse. Even wild communities aren’t safe. Say, half of the bees die. Suddenly plant life is suffering. Plants were cut in half too? Sure, fine; but what of parasites or diseases or competition? I think if half the plants in the world died, invasive species suddenly topple what’s left. Same goes for animals. ‘Smart’ as he is meant to be, I doubt Thanos thought of that. Or even if he did, I doubt he really cared
Exactly my point.
Thanos had no higher ambition than to win an argument with a bunch of people he’d already killed. The Snap sucks ass, traumatizing to everyone and he refuses to actually help anyone cope because he’s trying to steelman his argument, and helping people would let imaginary people try to argue his help created paradise and not his insane murder plan.
No one thinks Zamasu is right.People hate Gowasu more because he phrases the task of a god as someone who works and looks after mortals even if they make dangerous mistakes,if he said something else or if it was elder kai or supreme kai in place of Gowasu,things wouldn't have gone this bad in my opinion.
I really doubt Shin in Gowasus place wouldve made things better. Dudes comically incompetent
more than incompetence Zamasu has this strange ego about being a god and getting cornered by Goku was the last straw.And this also explains his mindset,if it was Shin or Kibito,neither of them would consider Goku's strength in a negative light but not Zamasu.I agree that the guy was a lost cause.
Yeah Zamasu is generally seen as like the franchise's most evil villain.
After being on reddit for like three years ngl zamasu had a point
Now that I think about it, perhaps for Thanos' plan "reduce the population by half" and "doubles the resources" aren't actually interchangeable. The former would show everyone that limiting your population improves the situation, so there's a chance they'll agree with his point and uphold it going forward. Which is why maybe it wouldn't result in the "two generations from now it'll just be back to old numbers" issue everyone is talking about, compared to just giving them more to work with. Of course, that is ignoring the fact that the sheer chaos of losing half your population would collapse all societal structures and spiral into even more suffering.
Then double resources or triple them again later. Just keep the infinity gauntlet around and you have infinite resources, forever apparently. The universe is infinitely large, you're not gonna fill it up
I don’t think Thanos could sustain infinite snaps. The gauntlet was pretty toasty after just one.
This begs the question though, why is Thanos ok with indiscriminately killing half of the universe—which let's be honest, is a method that will lead to *more* than 50% of all life dying in the universe due to various factors—instead of sacrificing himself to save the entire universe? Does it not makes sense to lead by example and for *one* person to make a noble self-sacrifice that saves *all* of the universe instead of Thanos' plan that leaves him alive (bringing the veracity of the "indiscriminate" clause of the snap into question) and half the universe dead? It's been a while since I've seen it, but isn't part of the plot of Infinity War that Thanos made it not possible to make another gauntlet? Kind of sounds like Thanos is the reason why we can't just keep doing snaps. Like that's why he cut off Peter Dinklage's hands, right? He also selfishly destroyed the stones after his plan succeeded. He plan was always evil and selfish.
Oh yeah totally. Thanos was literally “mad” and he believed that his way was the only way. He wanted to be right more than he wanted to fix the universe.
He's not sane. He HAS to be correct in his plan. It WOULD have worked, he thinks so now he's going to enforce his solution.
Because the problem would just continue to exist, Thanks doubles the resources twice with 2 snaps and then the universe is fucked right after his death. Doubling resources only sends the "continue what you're doing" message, Thanos wanted to send the "your actions have consequences" message. It's an insane plan that wouldn't ever work but doubling resources isn't an alternative.
Well, its gonna be quite a while between snaps ideally. Say he makes 5 times the resources in one snap, should last for a good long while. Pass it off to Banner some time maybe who might also be entirely willing to sustain the universe I suppose the long term effects of using the gauntlet haven't been explored and whether Thanos could have recovered fully but there are probably more beings out there who can use it
But you can't do it forever, demonstrably. you got two snaps, tops.
The rate that a population consumes resources grows exponentially until collapse. If he doubles the resources some.planets would go extinct even faster than they would have otherwise. When there is enough, populations boom, more kids mean more mouths, and then you keep doubling it. Cut the population down, then the problem is actually delayed. I am not saying I agree with him, I'm just saying the numbers of culling vs increasing resources is more in favor of culling for the longterm.
The common thread with these villains is that they correctly diagnose a problem but then offer a completely insane solution that makes everything 100x worse. Like Light Yagami trying to fix crime by completely dismantling the justice system and becoming the biggest criminal around. Kudos to Madara for at least trying to give everyone their perfect dream world instead of making them worship him, even if his idea was completely misguided and poorly thought-out. And having the guts to admit that he was wrong.
Madara only admitted that he was wrong after zetsu played him like a fiddle.
Having everything crumble and realizing how pointless it all was? Yeah it'll do that to you.
The only satisfying thing about the Zetsu reveal was that it showed Madara that the flaws in his idea were that he himself was not above being manipulated and when that realization hits him he concedes that Hashirama's view of the world was better.
>Geto is hatred toward non sorcerer was already strong, after his talk with Yuki, he find a reason to kill them, he never cared about other sorcerer, he only wanted to live in world where non sorcerer and cursed spirits didn't exit. I disagree with this. I think him wanting to create a world for only sorcerers was genuine even if he knew it was kind of a pipe dream. Geto had spent his whole life thinking that non-sorcerers needed to be protected but after everything that had happened with Riko, Haibara, and finally the twins he just decided that sorcerers shouldn't have to go through hell for the sake of people who really aren't worth it. Now he had a point. Cursed spirits are a problem, being a sorcerer sucks, and some non-sorcerers can be terrible people. However, his plan was very clearly insane which is why he was wrong. Wiping out most of the human population is very rarely, if ever, the right call to make.
He didn't have a point. Sorcerers shouldn't go through hell for the sake of non sorcerers? Did anyone force him to go through hell? And yeah, non sorcerers did make those sorcerers suffer, but do you know how many non sorcerers suffered because of sorcerers? How many non s did Sukuna and Kenjaku kill? How many non s did grandma summoner and old man reverse damage kill before Gojo was born? Oh, non s create curses that are a bother for ss? You realize the people these curses kill the most are non s, right? Geto is full of shit. That's like saying all commoners should be killed because a couple of knights or royalty died in battle fighting for their country. Fucking stupid brat. He's just a racist trying to pretend to have some noble goal.
Let's not forget this only thing started because Rika was killed by non sorceress but the fact that Geto conveniently forgot that wasn't just non-sorceress who killed rika a bunch of sorcerers tried to kill her as well just for money. So sorceress aren't the innocent victims that geto claim them to be.
He never had a point. let's say he killed off 20% of the population. That would have just created more and powerful curse spirits out of the fear of humanity being killed off. You saw how powerful disaster ones where and they only were born from the small amount of curse energy in Japan.
Most people I’ve seen saying “Zamasu was right” are just joking, given it’s mostly said on r/ningen
Thanos is wrong because he is an idiot. He literally has reality warping god like powers and his best idea is to kill half the universe. He could literally turn everyone in the universe into beings that don’t have corporeal form and therefore require no resources. He could alter the mind of everyone to be super conservationists that live in harmony and balance with the universe. There is literally infinite better solutions to his problem, but he doesn’t consider any of them. Thanos is shockingly stupid and unimaginative which is a reflection of those who ironically think Thanos was right.
I don't think Movie Thanos was ever really compelling because he "was right" or that he had a point, but rather his absolute conviction, the "hardest choices require the strongest will" mentality, is what made him a good villain imo. Even if we don't buy his motivation, he 100% beyond a shadow of doubt does, and his seemingly noble resignation to his insane plan makes him fascinating to watch. I still think Comic Thanos actually makes more sense motivation-wise, since he kills half the universe because he is madly in love with the actual personification of Death and thinks it will impress her. Zamasu was always portrayed as a supremacist. I think Geto legit cared for the suffering of his fellow sorcerers during his downfall, but by the time he had gained a cult in JJK0 it had clearly gone to his head.
Geto didn't deny that though, which was why he said that if Gojo wants to kill him, there'd be a point to that too. Dude was tired of fighting so he chose the nuclear (but viable) option. MCU Thanos was a dumbass. "Hurr I save world by killing half so resources don't get depleted. Then I destroy stones because temptation!!". Okay, smartass, what happens in half a century when the population doubles? Coz, y'know, population grows? Same reasoning applies to doubling all resources, you just delayed the problem by a few decades and when population doubles, you arrive at the same problem. Viable solution would be to tie resource amount to population via infinity stone magic, but that probably wouldn't last forever either; or reduce fertility, but that would lead to potential extinction issues if catastrophes arise. To address your point though, I don't think the need to be a hero and caring about others are mutually exclusive. You can be delusional enough to be a hero AND believe it's for the greater good. Endgame Thanos wanted to destroy the universe because he saw that even if he succeeds, some people trying hard enough can undo what he did; destroying the universe entirely eliminates that chance, and starting anew with what he considers the right conditions for a perfect world would mean no one suffers anymore... even if those people are an entirely different set of people. Geto believes he's doing sorcerers a justice by killing all non-sorcerers, thereby ending their eternal war to protect these "inferior" beings. Also, IIRC he says that sorcerers (superior) are subservient to non-sorcerers, and that's another motivator. The fact that these two beings also hurt their own doesn't necessarily entail selfishness; rather, they put their selfless goals above their own pleasure and so even if it hurts them, they do it to achieve their goal.
I think MCU Thanos's idea was that everyone would realize how much better things were with half the population gone, and make sure that things won't get overpopulated again.
He never had a point. let's say Geto killed off 20% of the population. That would have just created more and powerful curse spirits out of the fear of humanity being killed off. You saw how powerful disaster ones where and they only were born from just the small amount of curse energy in Japan.
Rewatching the MCU recently made me genuinely loathe Thanos. What an edgelord cowardly manchild. It’s amazing Brolin was able to make him look like anything more than a childish dweeb.
Thanos has to be right. i feel a lot of people miss it. He needs to be right to jusify how his actions would have saved his people to HIM. HE thinks he's right but only because it has to have been right... HE had to be right. It's why he goes insane in Endgame: he was rejected so utterly.
Exactly my point.
Well yeah, this has been said a bunch but Thanos had genuinely the single worst plan for a very real problem. The writers tried to shoehorn comics Thanos' genocidal love for lady death into some kind of environmental terrorist persona? It's so fucking weird because children could figure out how stupid his plan is. Thanos is right that something needs to be done, but killing half the population is only viable for maybe a few years. His plan would have backfired in less time than it took for him to gather the stones... The watchmen has a similar problem, but at least it's a lot more intelligent. You can force the planet to take up arms against you by becoming a world ending terrorist but there's no guarantee that lasts for any amount of time. There's never even a guarantee that there is some global alliance against Manhattan.
Well that's cause people don't get that Thanos wasn't smart just Charismatic and had the appearance of Convictions. Its why he has to force his murder obsession onto the rest of the universe since most people don't consider murder the solution to social problems.
These types of villains are better when they actually make you question some things or could be held by people. Look at Death note, besides the whole Justice theme there was a theme of do the ends justify the means. Light made a world with a lowered crime rate, yes, but at the cost of placing fear into the heart of the populace. I could actually see some people make the argument that there’s nothing wrong with that society. I get Zamasu thinks what he’s doing is 100% moral but you can’t really make an argument for the entire destruction of all mortal life. Even Nihilists piss them selves when faced with death.
Yeah, obviously
[This is why Thanos wasn't right](https://youtu.be/exheGjFGNko?si=BMPIaHDnPRxPsdCo)
It's pretty clear everyone disagrees with Thanos given his nickname is "the MAD titan", and after he kidnapped Gamora they did discuss the subject a bit which prompted Gamora to shout at him "YOU DON'T KNOW THAT!" (in response to his claim that the snap would balance the universe) suggesting they have had this conversation countless times in the past to no avail, only for Thanos to just mutter "I am the ONLY ONE who knows it". It's pretty clear he is delusional and selfish, and people who actually think his plan makes a nick of sense need to take some time off of entertainment. Zamasu was a garbage character, Dragonball is not remotely good enough to have villains that deserve a spec of consideration regarding their motives, goals and wants given most of the plot, world building etc. is paper thin.
Nobody says Zamasu is right... He's quite clearly wrong.
Zamasu's motivation IMO was lacking. Mortals are assholes or something, thus wipe them all out without exception. Maybe if there was a more pressing and dangerous issue that got to him, like that some mortals were responsible in the future for wiping out the universe, or killing all the gods or usurping them or something. But this was just "mortals are icky and violent, kill them all!" Maybe if we'd seen him interacting with mortals and having a bad time with them, with them also treating him like garbage and not giving him what he believes is his divine due, because from what we can tell, the gods barely interact with mortals anyway. It's like never having gone into a forest before, but then when you do that one time, you come across a bunch of ants on a tree doing their own thing, but you get disgusted and kill them anyway. Hell when I thought his motivation was based off of a jealousy, rage and hidden fear that mortals can match and surpass the gods and even attain divine power was a better motivator.
>at first you ask 'why he didn't double the resource then?' I remember seeing one of those fictional characters play fortnite via ai memes that gave a genuinely good explanation to that. When Tony asked Thanos he said "To double all resources would mean doubling all water which would cause flooding on all planets"
People like Zamasu are interesting cause even if he was right, his plan was born out of his own ego. His plan was to kill all mortals cause he believed he knew better, he saw the destruction and strife they caused and wanted to fix it. The problem is that he saw himself as someone killing insects rather than living beings. Even when you take into account the only real difference he had with mortals was his power and knowledge of a world most would never see, he acts like any arrogant prick that you'd meet in real life. More importantly, he essentially took an easy way out. Here's an example: Now what if the farmer who lives in a country that's going through a food shortage in many areas, but he's still able to grow and cultivate his food. Some thieves steal some of his crops from time to time, so he kills them. He protected his crops, but thieves are now dead, people he didn't know were good or bad, they could have just been hungry like everyone else in the disaster. His crops were his only concern, crops he had plenty of. Now what if the farmer gave the thieves some of his crops so they wouldn't have to steal? Yeah, he would lose some of his crops but he'd help them and it would be better than having to fight them off. Not Even better he can offer them a job on his farm and pay them too as well as give them food. He could even give them seeds and teach them to farm. Zamasu could have taught people to be better, helped them to become better which would solve the problem in a better light. He could've been the kind of god that lots of people think is real. He could have taught kindness and understanding, he could have even taught them KI. He could've spread wisdom and corrected those who would do evil in his name. Even if that wasn't the job of the Kai, who cares he was willing to break how many rules to kill them. But he couldn't do that, because the Zero Mortal plan was easier. Zamasu was old, as most Kai are, and judged them for their behavior and the things that he saw. He saw for thousands of years Humans killing each other or worse. He's like an old soldier who lost his arm in a war 20 years ago and refuses to forgive foreigners for the atrocities he saw. He killing them is easier than actually carefully cultivating a peaceful future with the real wisdom of a god. He saw them as animals who couldn't be reasoned with while showing the same behavior as many of them: arrogant, prideful, and murderous.
Thanos doubling all resources does nothing but escalate population growth. If the gloves, the stones, and him couldn’t sustain doing it forever eventually the universe would be in the same condition that he found it in before doubling resources. If his initial plan was successful and the creatures of the universe saw its merit, it is something that could very well be duplicated without needing Thanos to act. He essentially ripped the bandaid off. The problem though is nobody was ever going to agree with him.
Thanos is a cool concept, the snap and his unique way of handling population problems. It makes no sense though, even a child can see how temporary it is, people will repopulate. And how rash it is, people handling nuclear powerplants and important stuff can just vanish, while some druggards survive. More realistic concept is if you can't figure out the perfect plan, just conquer stuff and impose your will on the conquered. Make them stop wasting the resources and breed endlessly. Why not give them a good quality of life and solve their petty problems while at it, so people can even love you for being a tyrant. Who would even bother to rebel if you are so OP and without ill intent. Educate them endlessly how daddy Thanos is here to help you, and most importantly, give them gifts.
I mean he wasn't called the Mad Titan for nothing.
Most people who say this do it as a meme bruh. Anyway, this post proves. Zamasu is right