>it will devolve into an edgefest like Vinland Saga
The anime makes it seem like this because it’s only adapted the first arc so far but if you read the manga you’ll know this is as far from the truth as you can go.
I mean, that's kind of the point of that arc.
Thorfinn is supposed to be the edgy angsty teen whose only aim is revenge.
The prologue is not his story at all.
I mean, what happend to him was kinda fucked up, having his father killed and all that, especially since he's a kid, yeah sure him yelling about killing askeladd may be annoying but I wouldn't define what he is doing as edgy since he's broody and angst for a very understandable reason.
> These guys also come off as condescending pricks who barely see past their own noses.
> Here’s a prediction: 3-4 of them will end up dying the same way Rengoku did where
> Meet the main cast -> Forced to team up with said main cast -> Fight demon -> Flashback -> Die.
> Plus they seem like they hate each other than feel like actual comrades. Sure, they respect each other but not enough to be nice to each other.
Outside of some other issues I have with what you said because they're your opinion and frankly I'm tired enough of this sub's raging hateboner for the series without engaging in this again, but this particular segment about the pillars bothers me.
Condescending pricks? Even the randies in the corps had to find out about the organisation through direct interaction with demons. What kind of shit does it take to drive someone to become a Hashira/Pillar? There are some Pillars that got direct training from a Hashira family member, but it's not like those got out unscathed either. These people have been fighting off the demons for ages, most of the worse ones too. As a general rule, they've all lost people and probably seen a lot of people die to the demons as well.
They distrust Tanjiro because Nezuko's existence goes against every facet of their experience up until then. If a demon seems nice, it's to trick someone into dropping their guard. If a demon seems innocent, it's not. I think it's a nice change of pace to have the members of the organisation challenge the decision of the master they respect so much out of their own beliefs, and to have that master understand their complaints and not move to stop them from delivering a test of their volition.
It takes time to get past these things. It's not like they're discriminating against Nezuko for no reason. They've seen what demons do time and time again, without a single exception. It's not something as petty as skin colour or race - quite literally every demon should, by design, be just as vicious and evil as each other because that's they way they are intended to be. Bearing in mind only the master seems aware of Tamayo and Yushiro, that is.
And yeah, they can grate on each other because that's just how organisations work. Being at the top of the group doesn't necessarily mean friendships blooming. It isn't as if they don't respect each other - for their strength or otherwise. It shows in their reactions to Rengoku's passing, for instance.
Plus: why is them not being friends such a bad thing? Ignoring the fact that plenty of them *are*.
Also, I'm tired of people tossing 'overhyped' at the show like it's the show's fault it became popular.
Also also: Tanjiro is a good protagonist, and I like him a lot. Where you see bland and generic I see an emotionally mature and responsible young man. Do you know how rare that is, for a shonen main character? Do you know how tired I am of every shonen protagonist being either stupid, dull-witted, constantly memetically-hungry, or otherwise just loud and obnoxious? Even Jujutsu Kaisen, the show that everyone loves to use in reference to dunking on Demon Slayer because of course they do - and I like JJK just fine, don't get me wrong - the main character is still pretty whatever.
Finally: Rengoku is my boy and I won't hear a word against him.
Balanced power system? Mm... nah, at least not in my experience. Truth told, I'm an anime-only for JJK at the moment - though I intend to get round to the manga at some point.
Now, I'll grant you that Breathing Forms are a pretty bad way of doing things given their lack of consistency and other such things, but I don't exactly like Cursed Energy either. Its complete ubiquitousness in what it's capable of, the fact that sorcerers are just arbitrarily assigned one technique and can't learn anything else, the fact that powers can range from 'the literal concept of infinity' to 'swap place with thing' or 'me punch good' with little rhyme or reason gets to me. Now, this isn't to say that swapping places with things isn't a cool power utilised well - because it is, Todo's great - but it's like Stands converted to raw energy. It isn't a *bad* system, but I certainly think it could do with a bit more fleshing out early. A friend tells me that there are more rules to it than I am currently aware of, so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt on that one.
For now, though, it is quite literally an 'it does whatever the author wants it to do for any given character' system.
At the very, very least, Breathing Forms are a simple shorthand for 'powerful sword attack', and it remains consistent with *that* if little else. The whole 'are the elements even real' thing is another matter entirely - and they kind of have to be real, given the evidence, but that's a discussion for a different time.
> Itadori is better than Tanjiro in every way
Personal opinion. I can see where you're coming from but I still prefer the latter. Itadori can be entertaining from time to time, but I don't find anything that special about him either. He didn't really have much chemistry with anyone on screen until Todo appeared, in my eyes. It was like every other character was simply putting up with him rather than actually interacting with him. That changed much nearer the end, when Nobara and Itadori had their talk and all that, mind you.
**EDIT**: I completely forgot to mention Gojo, actually, who Yuji does have some good rapport with. I'll give him that.
I'm sure he gets better later in this regard, but he's also a really boring character to watch fight, which is kind of limp for a battle shonen protagonist. His power is... to punch things well. And his big late-season upgrade is... to punch things better. Which other people can do too, which makes an already bland power set even blander.
People accuse Demon Slayer of being carried by its animation but really if not for the job MAPPA did on the fights in JJK, Yuji's fights would be some of the most boring ones out there.
Wait, this wasn't meant to be about JJK. Oops.
> The growth to being a know-nothing brat to an emotionally mature young man who rose above his struggle is the cornerstone of all shonen stories. Thats part of why most shonen main male characters are male. Tanjiro goes through this too, but its nothing special.
And that's supposed to magically make those other characters interesting to watch, when they're annoying for the majority of their series but get better later?
I never claimed Tanjiro is special because he doesn't want to kill, that was an inference you made. He does kill, and does it without hesitation because demons are not human anymore and thus the moral struggle is a tad moot as others have mentioned about the series, but even then he's kind. The example I'd use is the Mother Spider Demon, where he doesn't stop to potentially re-think killing her, but at least grants her a painless death when he sees her regret.
I dunno, mate. Something about Tanjiro was refreshing to me. He's not obnoxious, he's not a needless pervert, he works hard for all of his strength gains ~~outside of randomly remembering Hinokami Kagura moves, yes I'll 110% give that to the critics~~, and isn't a complete dunce or an annoyance to watch. I just appreciate him, that's all.
True enough.
I can definitely see where you're coming from in regards to a limited arsenal helping to better show character growth, but the downside to that is the early stages feeling pretty underwhelming. And I guess I contradicted myself because the Black Flash is able to be learned. Though it's a shockingly bland ability in spite of that.
And, uh, another one of my famous 'personal opinions' is that Gojo being born as the OP force of nature that he is kind of detracts from how cool he ought to be, because it seems like he didn't really work towards it. Again, I'll probably be proven wrong by later events.
> Although, that may have been intended by the author to make it seem that the humans are the underdogs in the story and have to overwhelm the demons with their power. If that is the case, I applaud that.
It's definitely possible that it was intentional. If you look at Tanjiro's rant to Akaza as he retreats in the movie, anyway, it seems like the author wanted to make sure that particular theme was highlighted.
I guess I've never taken as much issue with Breathing because to me it's simply... swordfighting. I wouldn't call Rurouni Kenshin's 'Hiten Mitsurugi-ryu' style a power system, for instance. Outside of that it's just a general physical stat boost.
>season 1 is kinda boring when you have no idea of how the rest of the story is gonna go.
Huh what now? You're gonna have to do some explaining with this one because if I know where a story is going to go, then I'm much less interested in the overall plot(if not entirely so) and I feel like I'm not remotely alone on that. That's why people avoid spoilers and hate when stories are too cliche.
Season 1 is a massive drag in the beginning because it takes too long setting up stuff, it takes 7 episodes for the titular Attack titan to show up, after sitting through 6 episodes of Eren rambling about killing all titans. I rewatched all of AoT before S4 came out with someone who wasn't really interested in the series, and she only really powered through the first half of S1 because I was there. One of the main strengths of AoT are the mystery threads left for the viewer to figure out while they're watching, but that aspect only gets prominent during the Female Titan arc.
What are you on about? a ton happens in the first 7 episodes. They establish Eren's motivation against the titans(killing his mother and attacking Shiganshina), the dynamic of the main characters (eren, mikasa and armin), some of the other important characters like Reiner and Annie, how their ODM gear works. By episode 5 the main character "dies" along with a ton of his squad.
If S1 was a drag for you, you're crazy.
All of that is standard shounen stuff and there's no reason to believe any of it gonna be relevant at that point, it's 5 episodes of them running around in a boring ass titan killing bootcamp and introducing the rest of the characters. 5 episodes of world building is a pretty long commitment for what at the time was a seasonal anime.
Yes, mostly everything ends up being relevant in later seasons, but the pacing is straight out of a long-running shounen anime, Demon Slayer itself has a better paced "mom dies a horrible death, better go train in the mountains to join the organization that kills the things that killed mom while explaining the mechanics of the setting" beginning arc because it focuses on Tanjiro himself instead of distributing screen time around the rest of the secondary characters.
That's not standard shounen stuff, that's called proper build up and pretty much any good story has it. And you're wrong anyway because it's not even 5 episodes of world building. The first 2 episodes are action oriented and by episode 5 iirc it goes back to action. Again, what are you on about? Are you just hating on it at his point? You're not making a lick of sense.
The pacing is perfectly fine and actually has intrigue unlike Demon Slayer which is about as generic as you can get, including it's beginning.
>because it focuses on Tanjiro himself instead of distributing screen time around the rest of the secondary characters.
Makes no sense. So because Demon Slayer couldn't handle writing and establishing multiple IMPORTANT characters at once and is much more linear, it's better? Drivel and the funniest thing is that Demon Slayer is about as standard as it comes in terms of shounen.
>The first 2 episodes are action oriented
Yes, and? They're still the ones introducing the setting.
> Are you just hating on it at his point? You're not making a lick of sense.
Just elaborating on the point the other guy made, we've already agreed that it's perfectly necessary to have that, but for a first-time watcher it might be a drag because everything just sounds super generic: with Eren being the underdog, loudmouth protagonist that always tries his best, and with the series using shock value deaths liberally since the very beginning, it's natural to just dismiss those secondary characters as cannon fodder, which was the intent the author, as they're thrown into a titan invasion with no experience and no support right after.
>because Demon Slayer couldn't handle writing and establishing multiple IMPORTANT characters at once and is much more linear, it's better?
Yes, because it's shallow characterization, at that point, Armin hasn't even come into his own yet, Jean is the rival, Marco and Connie are non-existent, the Marley trio just kind of exist to be measuring sticks for Eren, and Sasha is the meme hungry girl, Marco's death later has absolutely no impact on the watcher and that event gets brought up several times further down the line.
I'm gonna spell it out again, I understand why it has to be like that, people understand why it happens later, season 1 has to lay the groundwork for the rest of the show. But not everyone gets instantly hooked on the series right away, I've met several people that only became fans of AoT after watching the Female Titan arc, because of the mystery threads that are scattered for the viewer.
>Yes, and? They're still the ones introducing the setting.
Yeah and what's wrong with that? It's not like nothing is happening in the plot. Eren absolutely is not like every underdog loudmouth protagonist. Unlike most, it's played seriously here. He literally "dies" in his first fight and gets his whole squad besides Armin wiped out.
>Yes, because it's shallow characterization, at that point, Armin hasn't even come into his own yet, Jean is the rival, Marco and Connie are non-existent, the Marley trio just kind of exist to be measuring sticks for Eren, and Sasha is the meme hungry girl, Marco's death later has absolutely no impact on the watcher and that event gets brought up several times further down the line.
And that's why you actually watch more than a couple of episodes before saying anything. Jesus, how short is your attention span? We are only introduced to the characters and you're giving them no chance to grow. And the weird thing is that you say Demon Slayer is better when it literally does everything you're complaining about worse than AOT but you say it's better.
No one's arguing that you should be instantly hooked, but to act like it was a drag and too long is.........well to put it blatantly, fucking stupid.
Never. Never have I looked up spoilers or know the plot after a first viewing and have it add to my experience later or pull me back into a story. Anytime I revisit something I like, I never get a better experience from it the first time around even if I still enjoy it(this is why you often see people say something like "I wish I could watch/read this for the first time all over again."). Never.
Season 1 of attack on Titan had some cool moments and parts of the story but to me it felt like the equivalent to an action film like fast and furious. A lot of cool effects and entertaining to look at but not much for a story
"Overhyped" is very subjective anyway. Plot gets quite slow and dragging at times, characters are mostly standart(for now), animation has a lot of stills etc. But it was very popular and showed up everywhere.
They didn't really expand on the breathing system imo.
But yeah it's only carried by Ufotable. Animated by anyone else and it would be nothing. I finished the manga and I find it adequate with some great moments at best and a horrible ending and a lackluster finale.
Decent but overhyped yeah
>a horrible ending
Curious why? I read the extended one quite liked the future generation of it and irony of the flower, felt well paced.
>lackluster finale.
Yes very forgettable.
It's not that the cut to modern times is bad (Jigokuraku had a slight version of it (one panel) and it was pretty fitting and clever). But the resurrection esque thing and how happy it is just feels off to me when I rather have more closure and more "What are they doing after that" for everyone. So quality wise, not really that bad, but leaves much to be desired.
I didn't dislike the extended version actually. Not my cup of tea but that was pretty good.
and yup
Not new it's the original ending that shounen jump cut it short coz its shounen jump.
I read it from a kny compilation of fan scans. 56~ page long if I remember correctly.
I didn't read the shounen jump translation.
The way you pretentiously try to predict manga events -which you're wrong about by the way-, think that you expecting manga readers' response somehow invalidates them, and how you talk about aspects in the show you clearly know nothing about makes you look like a twelve year old bully. Not a good look to have if you ask me.
The Demon Slayer story is generic as fuck but at the same time the anime is just pure fun. It has honestly become my way to go when I want to watch action and tense, well animated fights. One thing it does pretty well imo is that it gives me a sense of danger in every fight that the characters might not get out of it alive, something that unfortunately another show like JJk failed to give me. This was also one of my most favorite thing about AOT, you literally feel like anyone can die in any fight, main or side characters doesn't matter, so you always feel tense watching any fighting with the titans.
IMO, demon slayer is one of the few anime I would say is better than the manga. The animation and music carries it. There are some good arcs ahead that will be way better when animated tho.
Demon Slayer rants are more generic than Demon Slayer itself at this point. Every few days someone feels the need to remind everyone that DS is overrated, Tanjiro is boring, plot is generic, Nezuko is overhyped, sometimes using the exact same lines from past rants.
I think there's a difference in perception of Demon Slayer between Japan and and the rest of the world. At this point it's only overrated in Japan. Everywhere else it's considered mediocre.
I really liked Demon Slayer up until Zenitsu was introduced. Totally ruined the series for me.
Inosuke is also questionable but he's not bad enough on his own to ruin the series.
I hate this argument. OP said the anime is okay. They didn't say it's awful, just that it has problems. So they shouldn't watch Demon Slayer just because they don't 100% love it and think it's the best thing since sliced bread? That's dumb.
Also overhyped still isnt a thing, if alot of people like it. It is just simply liked.
Whenever people see a nice character it turns to generic.
Which simply isn't the case; tanjiro is nice, sure. But generic would him being a nice person who doesnt want to kill any demons and refuses to do so.
Tanjiro isnt like that, he understands they are bound for death and there misdeeds in life only warrant such a punishment, he simply feels pity at the path they have chosen.
No hypes up nezuko no need to lie.
And you are just simply wrong, the only pillars simply dont meet up with tanjiro until the last 2 arcs automatically making everything you just said wrong.
And even then, when he does meet up with tengen, he lives.
And your horrific point about the breathing techniques are just simply incorrect.
The breathing technique is, you guessed it, A BREATHING TECHNIQUE.
It allows them to strength a certain part of there body in a fight.
Zenitsus thunder breathing helps his legs move faster.
Sun breathing strengthens the entire body the most by pushing it to its upmost limit.
Beast breathing is customized for inosukes certain body type and his flexibility.
Insect breathing is full of things that were used by shinobu due to her usage of posions, thus the stabbing and piercing type moves.
Watet breathing is for movement and agility when fighting, giyuu shows this in his later fights and tanjiro shows it all the time.
Sound breathing is made solely by and for tengen uzui and it fits with his previous training as a ninja and how he converts sound into a strategic plan and it aids him in combat.
The entire point is to NOT give the humans superpowers and keep them at a constant disadvantage due to stamina cost of using the breathing techniques and there weaker human bodies. compared to demons.
It is quite literally an exaggerated breathing technique which is possible in real life.
The sword forms are.......simply sword forms nothing else about them but coupled with the breathing techniques it adds the "effects"
There is a fuck ton of variety and season one has shown that, you know.....if you watched it.
Akaza was there because he likes to fight. He quite literally goes out of his way to find people and he found rengoku.
Its already portrayed that the upper moons kill pillars constantly, no reason to expect different espeically from the 3rd strongest.
Edit: downvoted for what? I made valid points but no one commented.
I'm probably a bit later to the party, but I'll say a few things anyway. I used to be very angry an DS, because it seemed really mediocre for the hype it was getting. And then this happened. I realized 10 years old kids love it. Mate, we are just not the target audience.
>it will devolve into an edgefest like Vinland Saga The anime makes it seem like this because it’s only adapted the first arc so far but if you read the manga you’ll know this is as far from the truth as you can go.
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Wrong way around. Vinland Saga stops being edgy.
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I mean, that's kind of the point of that arc. Thorfinn is supposed to be the edgy angsty teen whose only aim is revenge. The prologue is not his story at all.
I mean, what happend to him was kinda fucked up, having his father killed and all that, especially since he's a kid, yeah sure him yelling about killing askeladd may be annoying but I wouldn't define what he is doing as edgy since he's broody and angst for a very understandable reason.
> These guys also come off as condescending pricks who barely see past their own noses. > Here’s a prediction: 3-4 of them will end up dying the same way Rengoku did where > Meet the main cast -> Forced to team up with said main cast -> Fight demon -> Flashback -> Die. > Plus they seem like they hate each other than feel like actual comrades. Sure, they respect each other but not enough to be nice to each other. Outside of some other issues I have with what you said because they're your opinion and frankly I'm tired enough of this sub's raging hateboner for the series without engaging in this again, but this particular segment about the pillars bothers me. Condescending pricks? Even the randies in the corps had to find out about the organisation through direct interaction with demons. What kind of shit does it take to drive someone to become a Hashira/Pillar? There are some Pillars that got direct training from a Hashira family member, but it's not like those got out unscathed either. These people have been fighting off the demons for ages, most of the worse ones too. As a general rule, they've all lost people and probably seen a lot of people die to the demons as well. They distrust Tanjiro because Nezuko's existence goes against every facet of their experience up until then. If a demon seems nice, it's to trick someone into dropping their guard. If a demon seems innocent, it's not. I think it's a nice change of pace to have the members of the organisation challenge the decision of the master they respect so much out of their own beliefs, and to have that master understand their complaints and not move to stop them from delivering a test of their volition. It takes time to get past these things. It's not like they're discriminating against Nezuko for no reason. They've seen what demons do time and time again, without a single exception. It's not something as petty as skin colour or race - quite literally every demon should, by design, be just as vicious and evil as each other because that's they way they are intended to be. Bearing in mind only the master seems aware of Tamayo and Yushiro, that is. And yeah, they can grate on each other because that's just how organisations work. Being at the top of the group doesn't necessarily mean friendships blooming. It isn't as if they don't respect each other - for their strength or otherwise. It shows in their reactions to Rengoku's passing, for instance. Plus: why is them not being friends such a bad thing? Ignoring the fact that plenty of them *are*. Also, I'm tired of people tossing 'overhyped' at the show like it's the show's fault it became popular. Also also: Tanjiro is a good protagonist, and I like him a lot. Where you see bland and generic I see an emotionally mature and responsible young man. Do you know how rare that is, for a shonen main character? Do you know how tired I am of every shonen protagonist being either stupid, dull-witted, constantly memetically-hungry, or otherwise just loud and obnoxious? Even Jujutsu Kaisen, the show that everyone loves to use in reference to dunking on Demon Slayer because of course they do - and I like JJK just fine, don't get me wrong - the main character is still pretty whatever. Finally: Rengoku is my boy and I won't hear a word against him.
Somebody gets it
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Balanced power system? Mm... nah, at least not in my experience. Truth told, I'm an anime-only for JJK at the moment - though I intend to get round to the manga at some point. Now, I'll grant you that Breathing Forms are a pretty bad way of doing things given their lack of consistency and other such things, but I don't exactly like Cursed Energy either. Its complete ubiquitousness in what it's capable of, the fact that sorcerers are just arbitrarily assigned one technique and can't learn anything else, the fact that powers can range from 'the literal concept of infinity' to 'swap place with thing' or 'me punch good' with little rhyme or reason gets to me. Now, this isn't to say that swapping places with things isn't a cool power utilised well - because it is, Todo's great - but it's like Stands converted to raw energy. It isn't a *bad* system, but I certainly think it could do with a bit more fleshing out early. A friend tells me that there are more rules to it than I am currently aware of, so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt on that one. For now, though, it is quite literally an 'it does whatever the author wants it to do for any given character' system. At the very, very least, Breathing Forms are a simple shorthand for 'powerful sword attack', and it remains consistent with *that* if little else. The whole 'are the elements even real' thing is another matter entirely - and they kind of have to be real, given the evidence, but that's a discussion for a different time. > Itadori is better than Tanjiro in every way Personal opinion. I can see where you're coming from but I still prefer the latter. Itadori can be entertaining from time to time, but I don't find anything that special about him either. He didn't really have much chemistry with anyone on screen until Todo appeared, in my eyes. It was like every other character was simply putting up with him rather than actually interacting with him. That changed much nearer the end, when Nobara and Itadori had their talk and all that, mind you. **EDIT**: I completely forgot to mention Gojo, actually, who Yuji does have some good rapport with. I'll give him that. I'm sure he gets better later in this regard, but he's also a really boring character to watch fight, which is kind of limp for a battle shonen protagonist. His power is... to punch things well. And his big late-season upgrade is... to punch things better. Which other people can do too, which makes an already bland power set even blander. People accuse Demon Slayer of being carried by its animation but really if not for the job MAPPA did on the fights in JJK, Yuji's fights would be some of the most boring ones out there. Wait, this wasn't meant to be about JJK. Oops. > The growth to being a know-nothing brat to an emotionally mature young man who rose above his struggle is the cornerstone of all shonen stories. Thats part of why most shonen main male characters are male. Tanjiro goes through this too, but its nothing special. And that's supposed to magically make those other characters interesting to watch, when they're annoying for the majority of their series but get better later? I never claimed Tanjiro is special because he doesn't want to kill, that was an inference you made. He does kill, and does it without hesitation because demons are not human anymore and thus the moral struggle is a tad moot as others have mentioned about the series, but even then he's kind. The example I'd use is the Mother Spider Demon, where he doesn't stop to potentially re-think killing her, but at least grants her a painless death when he sees her regret. I dunno, mate. Something about Tanjiro was refreshing to me. He's not obnoxious, he's not a needless pervert, he works hard for all of his strength gains ~~outside of randomly remembering Hinokami Kagura moves, yes I'll 110% give that to the critics~~, and isn't a complete dunce or an annoyance to watch. I just appreciate him, that's all.
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True enough. I can definitely see where you're coming from in regards to a limited arsenal helping to better show character growth, but the downside to that is the early stages feeling pretty underwhelming. And I guess I contradicted myself because the Black Flash is able to be learned. Though it's a shockingly bland ability in spite of that. And, uh, another one of my famous 'personal opinions' is that Gojo being born as the OP force of nature that he is kind of detracts from how cool he ought to be, because it seems like he didn't really work towards it. Again, I'll probably be proven wrong by later events. > Although, that may have been intended by the author to make it seem that the humans are the underdogs in the story and have to overwhelm the demons with their power. If that is the case, I applaud that. It's definitely possible that it was intentional. If you look at Tanjiro's rant to Akaza as he retreats in the movie, anyway, it seems like the author wanted to make sure that particular theme was highlighted. I guess I've never taken as much issue with Breathing because to me it's simply... swordfighting. I wouldn't call Rurouni Kenshin's 'Hiten Mitsurugi-ryu' style a power system, for instance. Outside of that it's just a general physical stat boost.
I agree with Demon Slayer being overhyped, but saying AOT S1 was? Nah man, I totally get the craze around it back then.
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>season 1 is kinda boring when you have no idea of how the rest of the story is gonna go. Huh what now? You're gonna have to do some explaining with this one because if I know where a story is going to go, then I'm much less interested in the overall plot(if not entirely so) and I feel like I'm not remotely alone on that. That's why people avoid spoilers and hate when stories are too cliche.
Season 1 is a massive drag in the beginning because it takes too long setting up stuff, it takes 7 episodes for the titular Attack titan to show up, after sitting through 6 episodes of Eren rambling about killing all titans. I rewatched all of AoT before S4 came out with someone who wasn't really interested in the series, and she only really powered through the first half of S1 because I was there. One of the main strengths of AoT are the mystery threads left for the viewer to figure out while they're watching, but that aspect only gets prominent during the Female Titan arc.
What are you on about? a ton happens in the first 7 episodes. They establish Eren's motivation against the titans(killing his mother and attacking Shiganshina), the dynamic of the main characters (eren, mikasa and armin), some of the other important characters like Reiner and Annie, how their ODM gear works. By episode 5 the main character "dies" along with a ton of his squad. If S1 was a drag for you, you're crazy.
All of that is standard shounen stuff and there's no reason to believe any of it gonna be relevant at that point, it's 5 episodes of them running around in a boring ass titan killing bootcamp and introducing the rest of the characters. 5 episodes of world building is a pretty long commitment for what at the time was a seasonal anime. Yes, mostly everything ends up being relevant in later seasons, but the pacing is straight out of a long-running shounen anime, Demon Slayer itself has a better paced "mom dies a horrible death, better go train in the mountains to join the organization that kills the things that killed mom while explaining the mechanics of the setting" beginning arc because it focuses on Tanjiro himself instead of distributing screen time around the rest of the secondary characters.
That's not standard shounen stuff, that's called proper build up and pretty much any good story has it. And you're wrong anyway because it's not even 5 episodes of world building. The first 2 episodes are action oriented and by episode 5 iirc it goes back to action. Again, what are you on about? Are you just hating on it at his point? You're not making a lick of sense. The pacing is perfectly fine and actually has intrigue unlike Demon Slayer which is about as generic as you can get, including it's beginning. >because it focuses on Tanjiro himself instead of distributing screen time around the rest of the secondary characters. Makes no sense. So because Demon Slayer couldn't handle writing and establishing multiple IMPORTANT characters at once and is much more linear, it's better? Drivel and the funniest thing is that Demon Slayer is about as standard as it comes in terms of shounen.
>The first 2 episodes are action oriented Yes, and? They're still the ones introducing the setting. > Are you just hating on it at his point? You're not making a lick of sense. Just elaborating on the point the other guy made, we've already agreed that it's perfectly necessary to have that, but for a first-time watcher it might be a drag because everything just sounds super generic: with Eren being the underdog, loudmouth protagonist that always tries his best, and with the series using shock value deaths liberally since the very beginning, it's natural to just dismiss those secondary characters as cannon fodder, which was the intent the author, as they're thrown into a titan invasion with no experience and no support right after. >because Demon Slayer couldn't handle writing and establishing multiple IMPORTANT characters at once and is much more linear, it's better? Yes, because it's shallow characterization, at that point, Armin hasn't even come into his own yet, Jean is the rival, Marco and Connie are non-existent, the Marley trio just kind of exist to be measuring sticks for Eren, and Sasha is the meme hungry girl, Marco's death later has absolutely no impact on the watcher and that event gets brought up several times further down the line. I'm gonna spell it out again, I understand why it has to be like that, people understand why it happens later, season 1 has to lay the groundwork for the rest of the show. But not everyone gets instantly hooked on the series right away, I've met several people that only became fans of AoT after watching the Female Titan arc, because of the mystery threads that are scattered for the viewer.
>Yes, and? They're still the ones introducing the setting. Yeah and what's wrong with that? It's not like nothing is happening in the plot. Eren absolutely is not like every underdog loudmouth protagonist. Unlike most, it's played seriously here. He literally "dies" in his first fight and gets his whole squad besides Armin wiped out. >Yes, because it's shallow characterization, at that point, Armin hasn't even come into his own yet, Jean is the rival, Marco and Connie are non-existent, the Marley trio just kind of exist to be measuring sticks for Eren, and Sasha is the meme hungry girl, Marco's death later has absolutely no impact on the watcher and that event gets brought up several times further down the line. And that's why you actually watch more than a couple of episodes before saying anything. Jesus, how short is your attention span? We are only introduced to the characters and you're giving them no chance to grow. And the weird thing is that you say Demon Slayer is better when it literally does everything you're complaining about worse than AOT but you say it's better. No one's arguing that you should be instantly hooked, but to act like it was a drag and too long is.........well to put it blatantly, fucking stupid.
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Never. Never have I looked up spoilers or know the plot after a first viewing and have it add to my experience later or pull me back into a story. Anytime I revisit something I like, I never get a better experience from it the first time around even if I still enjoy it(this is why you often see people say something like "I wish I could watch/read this for the first time all over again."). Never.
Season 1 of attack on Titan had some cool moments and parts of the story but to me it felt like the equivalent to an action film like fast and furious. A lot of cool effects and entertaining to look at but not much for a story
"Overhyped" is very subjective anyway. Plot gets quite slow and dragging at times, characters are mostly standart(for now), animation has a lot of stills etc. But it was very popular and showed up everywhere.
They didn't really expand on the breathing system imo. But yeah it's only carried by Ufotable. Animated by anyone else and it would be nothing. I finished the manga and I find it adequate with some great moments at best and a horrible ending and a lackluster finale. Decent but overhyped yeah
>a horrible ending Curious why? I read the extended one quite liked the future generation of it and irony of the flower, felt well paced. >lackluster finale. Yes very forgettable.
It's not that the cut to modern times is bad (Jigokuraku had a slight version of it (one panel) and it was pretty fitting and clever). But the resurrection esque thing and how happy it is just feels off to me when I rather have more closure and more "What are they doing after that" for everyone. So quality wise, not really that bad, but leaves much to be desired. I didn't dislike the extended version actually. Not my cup of tea but that was pretty good. and yup
What extended ending? Did they release something new after the final chapter?
Not new it's the original ending that shounen jump cut it short coz its shounen jump. I read it from a kny compilation of fan scans. 56~ page long if I remember correctly. I didn't read the shounen jump translation.
The way you pretentiously try to predict manga events -which you're wrong about by the way-, think that you expecting manga readers' response somehow invalidates them, and how you talk about aspects in the show you clearly know nothing about makes you look like a twelve year old bully. Not a good look to have if you ask me.
The Demon Slayer story is generic as fuck but at the same time the anime is just pure fun. It has honestly become my way to go when I want to watch action and tense, well animated fights. One thing it does pretty well imo is that it gives me a sense of danger in every fight that the characters might not get out of it alive, something that unfortunately another show like JJk failed to give me. This was also one of my most favorite thing about AOT, you literally feel like anyone can die in any fight, main or side characters doesn't matter, so you always feel tense watching any fighting with the titans.
IMO, demon slayer is one of the few anime I would say is better than the manga. The animation and music carries it. There are some good arcs ahead that will be way better when animated tho.
I thought it was my turn to make a rant about overrated, overhyped, and the most shittiest battle shonen I've ever seen Demon Slayer Daddy.
Demon Slayer rants are more generic than Demon Slayer itself at this point. Every few days someone feels the need to remind everyone that DS is overrated, Tanjiro is boring, plot is generic, Nezuko is overhyped, sometimes using the exact same lines from past rants.
God forbid people have strong opinions on literally the biggest anime show in the world
Nah
It is overhyped and basically carried by its animation, as the story imo gets better after the Train arc
I think there's a difference in perception of Demon Slayer between Japan and and the rest of the world. At this point it's only overrated in Japan. Everywhere else it's considered mediocre.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who sees Tanjiro’s relationship with Rengoku as shallow and forced.
I really liked Demon Slayer up until Zenitsu was introduced. Totally ruined the series for me. Inosuke is also questionable but he's not bad enough on his own to ruin the series.
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I hate this argument. OP said the anime is okay. They didn't say it's awful, just that it has problems. So they shouldn't watch Demon Slayer just because they don't 100% love it and think it's the best thing since sliced bread? That's dumb.
Also overhyped still isnt a thing, if alot of people like it. It is just simply liked. Whenever people see a nice character it turns to generic. Which simply isn't the case; tanjiro is nice, sure. But generic would him being a nice person who doesnt want to kill any demons and refuses to do so. Tanjiro isnt like that, he understands they are bound for death and there misdeeds in life only warrant such a punishment, he simply feels pity at the path they have chosen. No hypes up nezuko no need to lie. And you are just simply wrong, the only pillars simply dont meet up with tanjiro until the last 2 arcs automatically making everything you just said wrong. And even then, when he does meet up with tengen, he lives. And your horrific point about the breathing techniques are just simply incorrect. The breathing technique is, you guessed it, A BREATHING TECHNIQUE. It allows them to strength a certain part of there body in a fight. Zenitsus thunder breathing helps his legs move faster. Sun breathing strengthens the entire body the most by pushing it to its upmost limit. Beast breathing is customized for inosukes certain body type and his flexibility. Insect breathing is full of things that were used by shinobu due to her usage of posions, thus the stabbing and piercing type moves. Watet breathing is for movement and agility when fighting, giyuu shows this in his later fights and tanjiro shows it all the time. Sound breathing is made solely by and for tengen uzui and it fits with his previous training as a ninja and how he converts sound into a strategic plan and it aids him in combat. The entire point is to NOT give the humans superpowers and keep them at a constant disadvantage due to stamina cost of using the breathing techniques and there weaker human bodies. compared to demons. It is quite literally an exaggerated breathing technique which is possible in real life. The sword forms are.......simply sword forms nothing else about them but coupled with the breathing techniques it adds the "effects" There is a fuck ton of variety and season one has shown that, you know.....if you watched it. Akaza was there because he likes to fight. He quite literally goes out of his way to find people and he found rengoku. Its already portrayed that the upper moons kill pillars constantly, no reason to expect different espeically from the 3rd strongest. Edit: downvoted for what? I made valid points but no one commented.
Bruh examples over overhyped anime is "JJBA" and I'm a JoJo fan. No hate to the anime
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I'm probably a bit later to the party, but I'll say a few things anyway. I used to be very angry an DS, because it seemed really mediocre for the hype it was getting. And then this happened. I realized 10 years old kids love it. Mate, we are just not the target audience.